Fallout London is a better game than Fallout 4
from SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org to gaming@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 14:32
https://beehaw.org/post/17180140

Yes, I said it and mean it.

It has ‘NPCs’ that feel way more alive than anything bethesda ever put out and even an anarchist faction that so far acts like actual anarchists do/would in real life not the common idea of anarchists in most media.

Apart from the ocassional crashes (even with the patch), this is a great game/mod and I highly recommend trying it out if you have Fallout 4.

Edit: You can get it here

Instructions on how to install on Steam are here

Instructions on how to install on linux are here (though you can skip installing Buffout as the latest patch has it already). I do recommend installing it through Heroic if you have a gog account though, makes it a lot easier than Lutris ime.

Make sure you turn off weapon debris, you can do this by finding Fallout4Prefs.ini for both Fallout 4 and Fallout London (just in case) and setting the following options thusly:

[NVFlex] bNVFlexEnable=0 iQuality=0 bNVFlexInstanceDebris=0 bNVFlexDrawDebris=0

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Faydaikin@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 15:07 next collapse

The bar is pretty low, we’re talking Bethesda.

That being said, I have yet to hear anything negative about F: London.

TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 15:37 next collapse

I tried to play London and it crashed constantly. Now, that’s not all that different an experience from playing any Bethesda game, but it did kind of kill any interest I had in the mod.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 16:06 next collapse

Which version? The latest version includes Buffout 4 which helps some. However, yeah it crashes a lot for me, but thankfully I save a lot and have the patience to just reload. I understand not everyone does though.

TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 16:17 collapse

It was very early on, the first week or so after it released. I’m sure they’ve fixed a lot of the bugs but honestly I just haven’t really been motivated to try it out again.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 16:20 next collapse

Yeah, if you have it installed still you can manually add Buffout 4, if you would like to.

I do understand not wanting to try something again after a bad experience though.

Faydaikin@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 21:24 collapse

Didn’t Beth’ update F4 just before F:London dropped, redering the Mod partly incompatible?

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 21:31 collapse

Yes, that’s why it is necessary to downgrade Fallout 4 and there are instructions on how to do so on github, that and/or you can use Folon’s downgrader.

kindenough@kbin.earth on 21 Nov 16:28 collapse

I have to try again on my system with AMD 6750 video card, on my other one with Nvidia 3070 it keeps crashing every five minutes and I was already a couple of hours in and liking it.

Malix@sopuli.xyz on 21 Nov 17:06 collapse

out of curiosity, weapon debris -option enabled if you check the base game’s launcher -> options? that causes mad crashes on nvidia cards.

kindenough@kbin.earth on 21 Nov 18:07 collapse

Disabled it but did not solve the crashes unfortunately.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 16:09 collapse

The only negative thing really is the crashing. It still happens a lot for me even with the patch.

Malix@sopuli.xyz on 21 Nov 17:02 collapse

the discord for the mod is really helpful, and has a pretty smart bot to decipher crashlogs. Definitely solved some issues I had. Recommended, unless discord is a nono, which is fair.

I do some “community service” over there and help out others where I can. And seems like most crashes are either some lingering mods from old-fallout4 install, creation club mods (any cc*.* files in fallout/data -dir, or old config files in mydocs/mygames/fallout4) or “bug fix mods” intended for 1.00/1.01 folon versions, and lastly: weapon debris -option enabled - that causes crashes outright with nvidia cards.

edit: also “long loading times fix” -mod is a total nono, there’s better and less files corrupting options out there (highfpsphysics)

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 17:09 collapse

Yeah discord is a no no for me for three reasons:

I try not to use proprietary things,

I don’t like messengers without (audited and good) end-to-end encryption,

I get overwhelmed easily in groups and bad things happen.

Still, appreciate the recommendation and suggestion 🙂.

Mine was a fresh install of both fallout 4 and fallout london and hasn’t had any mods added to either, so it is unlikely any of those are the reason it crashes.

Edit: I will look at that option but I have an AMD GPU, so that shouldn’t be an issue if it’s only nvidia.

Malix@sopuli.xyz on 21 Nov 17:17 collapse

not 100% sure if the weapon debris is nvidia only issue, but I’ve only seen the crashlog sniffing bot mentioning it when people have had nvidia cards.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 17:29 next collapse

I’ll try turning it off. Thank you so much for the help!

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 22 Nov 18:07 collapse

Hey, so more testing is required but so far it seems to have not crashed since I turned weapon debris off. Thank you!

Malix@sopuli.xyz on 22 Nov 20:00 collapse

Awesome! If it helped, great!

BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee on 21 Nov 15:14 next collapse

I have never played fallout london and i 100% agree

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 15:35 next collapse

If DLCs can be Game of the Year, then Mods should be too.

Coelacanth@feddit.nu on 21 Nov 16:03 collapse

You know what, I agree. And I would love to see the look on Todd Howard’s face if Fallout: London wins GotY. It should be eligible for that reason alone.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 21 Nov 18:33 collapse

I think he would be pretty happy, since it would mean more sales of Fallout 4 when all the new people show up to play London. Like how Bohemia Interactive leaned into DayZ because it was causing a huge uptick in sales of ARMA 2 before they made it standalone.

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 16:12 next collapse

Sadly, I’ve not been able to get past the train bit at the start without the game crashing.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 16:15 next collapse

Which version are you running? Earlier versions didn’t include Buffout 4, but with Buffout 4 either added manually or in the latest version that should fix it.

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 16:19 collapse

Not sure what version but it had Buffout packaged and didn’t work, not even after I replaced the mod files manually.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 16:21 collapse

Huh, strange.

Sorry that it keeps happening for you. Hope they fully fix it in the future.

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 19:18 collapse

I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed. I’ve been dying for a Bugthesda IP game but made with competence. I’ll still be dreaming of an announcement for Obsidian making Fallout 5

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 19:23 collapse

I mean imo The Outer Worlds is somewhat close, but I get not exactly the same.

Yeah, I’m looking forward to their fantasy game too.

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 21 Nov 21:55 collapse

Yes, close but not quite right. I want that level of writing and mechanical competence, but in the world of Fallout.

I can’t say I’m looking forward to the fantasy as much, just not the genre/vibe I’m after. I’m still pretty full up on fantasy from The Witcher 3, which should say something.

Phunter@lemm.ee on 21 Nov 21:49 collapse

Same. 😔

Maybe I’ll come back to it someday when I feel like troubleshooting more.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 21 Nov 18:37 next collapse

I want to play it but it doesn’t play well with the Steam version of the game for some reason, and none of the workarounds have actually worked for me.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 19:17 next collapse

Oh, uh, did you try downgrading the steam version first as per the instructions?

theangriestbird@beehaw.org on 21 Nov 20:50 collapse

remember when the full version of Fallout: London came out and Bethesda had a sale on FO4 on GOG specifically because of this issue? I’m not saying “oh you’re such an idiot for not buying the GOG version back then”. just bringing it up because i think it’s neat, a rare W for Bethesda/Microsoft.

[deleted] on 22 Nov 01:30 next collapse

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Mac@mander.xyz on 22 Nov 01:35 next collapse

I vow to play this one day when it’s stable.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 22 Nov 01:38 collapse

I think as long as the patched version is used and weapon debris is disabled it should be pretty stable.

Mac@mander.xyz on 22 Nov 02:58 collapse

I see, thank you. I’ll have to look again.

dino@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Nov 12:03 next collapse

Why not link to the actual project? I was not aware and wondered about the name. My brain always read Hellgate London.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 22 Nov 15:43 next collapse

Oh, I was more trying to have a discussion about it than link folks to it.

chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Nov 21:04 collapse

Yeah, but if you want more people to talk about it with you should link it anyway, so others can try it out.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 22 Nov 21:17 next collapse

Okidoke.

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 22 Nov 21:22 collapse

Have done so, hope that helps!

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 22 Nov 17:18 collapse
Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org on 23 Nov 00:46 next collapse

I can’t wait to get a new PC eventually. I’ve been missing out on some exciting mods and PC games the past 5 or 6 years

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 23 Nov 01:34 collapse

Hope you can get one soon!

Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org on 23 Nov 08:57 collapse

Possibly! It’ll happen eventually. I’m in no rush I suppose. I’ve got plenty in my backlog already and not enough time haha

SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org on 23 Nov 11:20 collapse

It’s kind of a shame that the pistol anarchists weren’t really a faction.

All the groups the game marks as ‘official’ factions are all pretty horrible and I’d rather see a london without any of them.

It does make sense though, the anarchists just like they would be in real life are concerned with looking after their own sector and are wise enough to realise than going outside of that would stretch them too thin.

Still, it would be nice to work with perhaps a coallition/federation of anarchist groups who don’t want to control but genuinely improve london which all of the existing groups only want to do through control.

I’d really like an alternative to outright violence for revenge or control in these games. Only using it as a last resort or like a scalpel rather than an army of guns.