amio@kbin.social
on 23 Feb 2024 09:48
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It's easy enough to just start a Creative world. I don't remember whether the hunger mechanic just gets disabled if playing Survival on Peaceful difficulty, that might have been how it works.
RandomException@sopuli.xyz
on 23 Feb 2024 16:33
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But doesn’t Creative get rid of the need to actually collect the materials you need? It was so fun back in the days to dig out huge holes in the ground just to build a castle, and also die a bunch of times because you were a bit careless and dug straight down only to discover a large mine right below you :D I don’t miss the buggy trains though. If I remember correctly, it took quite a long while for them to actually work properly in multiplayer.
But oh how time files - I just bought the damn game back in 2010 😂 IIRC it was right around the time Notch bumped the version up from Infdev to Alpha and I think there wasn’t even proper multiplayer implemented yet then, or it was so much in it’s beginnings that it had pretty much no features, like not even spawning mobs or having damage or anything. Later during my university studies we were actually using Minecraft to get our heads wrapped around electronics and latches in our study group and as a part of our course work first built our digital clock in MC with redstone before actually making the assignment on paper 😄
Even if Minecraft isn’t exactly the same game anymore as it used to be, it’s still nice to see it exist and be available after all these years. The core mechanics are still great and one can still play the older versions if they so wish.
The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org
on 23 Feb 2024 17:32
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You can play with no survival mechanics on peaceful mode, but then there’s no mobs. I’m sure you can mod out hunger though for that og feel, theres a mod for everything.
It all went down hill (literally) when fall damage was introduced.
insomniac_lemon@kbin.social
on 22 Feb 2024 22:04
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Yeah, one of the things I liked in old versions was having just one type of planks (not having multiple variants of everything wood, particularly). And I've never cared about the bosses or searching for something 50K blocks away from spawn or whatever. The other annoyance is hunger, though eating to insta-heal isn't much better either.
One issue for me is that I really liked the block model system of newer versions (release 1.8), particularly as a resource pack creator. A ladder looks so much better as a few cuboids than it does as a flat texture, and my models (which I made in a text editor) looked a lot nicer than my textures.
Also, never migrated my account. Are the servers to download the old versions from the old launcher even still up?
Minetest could be a solution here, but it seems like most Minetest games are either following new MC's footsteps or are doing something completely different. At least I've never played one that made me want to keep going, something good enough to start my own thing with (I would like chaining sticky pistons or similar things that are powerful in single-player, blocks that look cool but offer specific benefits like an iron grate floor/ceiling).
Parallel timeline mods are interesting, though I am not having luck with trying them thus far and I also doubt the modding tools are there enough especially for me who doesn't want to code in Java. I could also see it interesting if there were an easy way to just disable a large amount of blocks/items/mobs etc and then just add in new stuff... maybe even with data packs especially for this sort of thing.
I am thinking about game mechanics that interact (has anyone tried liquid-like gravel/coal piles yet?) or that just connect simply/are instant (rather than high-throughput automation). Or different systems for healing/buffs/food. Maybe alternate tools/transportation/skybridges etc.
EDIT: So they really added data packs without the ability to make "true" blocks/items (instead still dependent on entities and commands, data overridden not data driven), huh? Guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Stelus42@lemmy.ca
on 23 Feb 2024 12:58
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I have no clue about the old launcher, but the current launcher allows you to select any version all the way back past alpha. It was a lot of fun to try to hunt down which version I probably first played.
Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 Feb 2024 13:34
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i have no idea if it still works,
but manny third party launchers like polyMc still have a option to sign in with old mojang accounts
EDIT: it doesnt work, poly is just outdated.
also, use prism instead
insomniac_lemon@kbin.social
on 23 Feb 2024 14:43
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It seems like the old login servers don't even exist anymore (so I don't see how it'd actually verify unless it just checks a username's purchase status), but yeah that launcher does work for offline. (I still have my lastlogin file assuming it can't overwrite itself easily, but I don't think anything uses that other than the old launcher which can't seem to actually download the files because 404).
It's also interesting for the built-in modding, though it doesn't seem to be perfect. Also added an edit to my original comment mentioning parallel timeline mods. Though I'll just check out some classic(/revived) mods if I can get them to work.
Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de
on 23 Feb 2024 14:50
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i wasnt sure if the old login servers are online.
i dont know why they would still show the menu entry if the servers are down
JustARegularNerd@aussie.zone
on 24 Feb 2024 18:40
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Just a note to say that PolyMC has previously proven itself a troubled project, with the project owner Lenny at one point completely removing all other contributor’s access as he “purged the leftoids” (or something to that effect), and PrismLauncher is a fork made by those contributors
Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Feb 2024 22:02
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Oh wow, apparently im a whole drama behind here 😂
I just recently discovered PolyMc because i learned about MultiMc drama,
while searching for a flatpack build.
Ill guess ill look up what happened, and then probably switch
EDIT: i just looked it up WTF is wrong with that guy,
i switched asap
cafuneandchill@beehaw.org
on 23 Feb 2024 15:54
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I use Prism Launcher, and it does seem to have all the pre-1.0 versions
banghida@lemm.ee
on 22 Feb 2024 22:05
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Classicube? Minetest?
aperson@beehaw.org
on 22 Feb 2024 22:06
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Beta 1.7.3 was the best.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip
on 23 Feb 2024 00:11
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Nothing beats how much fun Minecraft was during the alpha days. It was so janky and broken, yes, but it was awesome seeing the game get built up and improved.
mozz@mbin.grits.dev
on 23 Feb 2024 00:22
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Things are good, not because of the amount of stuff inside the thing that is provided to be discovered.
I read this guy talking about when they nerfed fire in early Minecraft, how he and his friend before the nerf had accidentally set the entire continent on fire and had to run away in a boat for a long time across empty distant ocean, and landed in some strange place and how they set up the beginnings of their first base there that they played out of for years.
Things are good because of the quality of experience you have on the thing. Social media, operating systems, video games, life in general: Adding to it to make it "good" from the outside, often detracts from the goodness of the experience, from the ones experiencing.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip
on 23 Feb 2024 00:27
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Yeah, it was so janky and the jank is what made it fun.
Wed get griefers on our server whod set the whole server on fire, and it would burn endlessly. Wed all go out and try to clear trees to slow it down, periodically dropping our diamond axes on the ground to restore their condition because of course that was broken too.
TwilightVulpine@kbin.social
on 23 Feb 2024 13:46
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I remember when one single block of water source would flood the whole map if not contained by sponge blocks
altima_neo@lemmy.zip
on 24 Feb 2024 02:42
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Yeah, notch’s programming was janky and short sighted
I’ve had a similar experience with a lot of early-access games. They always end up disappointing, and I’ve come to realize it’s because the fun comes not just from playing the game and watching it develop and improve but also in equal part from expectations. It’s easy to look at an unfinished game and imagine what it could be in the future, and those fantasies inevitably exceed what is actually feasible to put into the game. I try to steer clear of early-access games now.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip
on 27 Feb 2024 22:07
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I don’t mind early access, but in also not tripping over myself to play them.
If the game is fun as it stands, then awesome. Anything extra is the cherry on top.
If the game feels half baked and like it’s missing all sorts of stuff, then naw. A game like that is just abusing it’s early access status. Trying to sell itself on the promise of what’s to come.
What about games that become less fun as their development goes along? That’s another thing I’ve noticed with some early-access games whose early versions were more… concentrated, for lack of a better term. If there’s progression involved, it tends to go pretty quickly in early versions. Development then doesn’t change how the game plays or where the progression begins and ends, instead it just adds padding between the fun bits and makes everything take longer. Ever encounter a game like that?
altima_neo@lemmy.zip
on 28 Feb 2024 04:59
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In those cases, as long as I got my moneys worth with the amount of time I invested in the game, then Im at least breaking even. But either way, Im not really spending much time on early access games. They really gotta be compelling to lure me in…
snail2go@beehaw.org
on 23 Feb 2024 17:57
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I think I probably agree with all these statements. New Nether lost the allure for me, exploring tidied a lot of the cute chunk generation bugs etc.
Buuut to be honest I didn’t watch the video. 5 mins in and the creator hadn’t really provided any reasoning to back up any points and was just repeating the premise in different ways. Not a well paced video….
MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org
on 23 Feb 2024 22:08
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Beta 1.8 and its consequences was a disaster for my childhood nostalgia.
Damaskox@kbin.social
on 23 Feb 2024 22:19
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Care to share what happened?
MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org
on 23 Feb 2024 22:30
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They fixed the distance bugs :(
Damaskox@kbin.social
on 14 Mar 2024 13:14
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So the game became less predictable?
MangoKangaroo@beehaw.org
on 14 Mar 2024 16:49
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The consequences of straying too far from spawn got less interesting.
Damaskox@kbin.social
on 15 Apr 2024 03:25
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Yeah, the loneliness thing really resonates with me. I like to play this Minecraft-like game which doesn’t even have mobs. I live in a society all the damn time. It’s a form of escapism, to dive into this world, where I can just be by myself for a while, without responsibilities or the like.
100% agreed. I didn't even really play more than poking at Minecraft one time to see what it was about, and the instant vibe of being alone in a vast alien landscape with no other living soul for any distance in any direction is exactly as he described.
threaded - newest
What is it now?
Still great, just more complicated
Except for phantoms, which you can’t turn off on Bedrock without bricking achievements
And the licensing that’s supposed to ensure that everything is kid-friendly.
Even the private server chats. That's [hecking] [doo-doo]
All I do in chats now is post a link to the Discord channel where chatting won’t get you kicked.
It was! It felt peaceful. Simple. You didn’t have to find or craft food all the time to eat too stay alive.
You mean Minecraft is a survival game by default now?
Yeah but survival is the worst part about minecraft.
Ive always liked it best
It's easy enough to just start a Creative world. I don't remember whether the hunger mechanic just gets disabled if playing Survival on Peaceful difficulty, that might have been how it works.
But doesn’t Creative get rid of the need to actually collect the materials you need? It was so fun back in the days to dig out huge holes in the ground just to build a castle, and also die a bunch of times because you were a bit careless and dug straight down only to discover a large mine right below you :D I don’t miss the buggy trains though. If I remember correctly, it took quite a long while for them to actually work properly in multiplayer.
But oh how time files - I just bought the damn game back in 2010 😂 IIRC it was right around the time Notch bumped the version up from Infdev to Alpha and I think there wasn’t even proper multiplayer implemented yet then, or it was so much in it’s beginnings that it had pretty much no features, like not even spawning mobs or having damage or anything. Later during my university studies we were actually using Minecraft to get our heads wrapped around electronics and latches in our study group and as a part of our course work first built our digital clock in MC with redstone before actually making the assignment on paper 😄
Even if Minecraft isn’t exactly the same game anymore as it used to be, it’s still nice to see it exist and be available after all these years. The core mechanics are still great and one can still play the older versions if they so wish.
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You can play with no survival mechanics on peaceful mode, but then there’s no mobs. I’m sure you can mod out hunger though for that og feel, theres a mod for everything.
It all went down hill (literally) when fall damage was introduced.
Yeah, one of the things I liked in old versions was having just one type of planks (not having multiple variants of everything wood, particularly). And I've never cared about the bosses or searching for something 50K blocks away from spawn or whatever. The other annoyance is hunger, though eating to insta-heal isn't much better either.
One issue for me is that I really liked the block model system of newer versions (release 1.8), particularly as a resource pack creator. A ladder looks so much better as a few cuboids than it does as a flat texture, and my models (which I made in a text editor) looked a lot nicer than my textures.
Also, never migrated my account. Are the servers to download the old versions from the old launcher even still up?
Minetest could be a solution here, but it seems like most Minetest games are either following new MC's footsteps or are doing something completely different. At least I've never played one that made me want to keep going, something good enough to start my own thing with (I would like chaining sticky pistons or similar things that are powerful in single-player, blocks that look cool but offer specific benefits like an iron grate floor/ceiling).
Parallel timeline mods are interesting, though I am not having luck with trying them thus far and I also doubt the modding tools are there enough especially for me who doesn't want to code in Java. I could also see it interesting if there were an easy way to just disable a large amount of blocks/items/mobs etc and then just add in new stuff... maybe even with data packs especially for this sort of thing.
I am thinking about game mechanics that interact (has anyone tried liquid-like gravel/coal piles yet?) or that just connect simply/are instant (rather than high-throughput automation). Or different systems for healing/buffs/food. Maybe alternate tools/transportation/skybridges etc.
EDIT: So they really added data packs without the ability to make "true" blocks/items (instead still dependent on entities and commands, data overridden not data driven), huh? Guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I have no clue about the old launcher, but the current launcher allows you to select any version all the way back past alpha. It was a lot of fun to try to hunt down which version I probably first played.
i have no idea if it still works,
but manny third party launchers like polyMc still have a option to sign in with old mojang accounts
EDIT: it doesnt work, poly is just outdated.
also, use prism instead
It seems like the old login servers don't even exist anymore (so I don't see how it'd actually verify unless it just checks a username's purchase status), but yeah that launcher does work for offline. (I still have my lastlogin file assuming it can't overwrite itself easily, but I don't think anything uses that other than the old launcher which can't seem to actually download the files because 404).
It's also interesting for the built-in modding, though it doesn't seem to be perfect. Also added an edit to my original comment mentioning parallel timeline mods. Though I'll just check out some classic(/revived) mods if I can get them to work.
@Stelus42
i wasnt sure if the old login servers are online.
i dont know why they would still show the menu entry if the servers are down
Just a note to say that PolyMC has previously proven itself a troubled project, with the project owner Lenny at one point completely removing all other contributor’s access as he “purged the leftoids” (or something to that effect), and PrismLauncher is a fork made by those contributors
Oh wow, apparently im a whole drama behind here 😂
I just recently discovered PolyMc because i learned about MultiMc drama,
while searching for a flatpack build.
Ill guess ill look up what happened, and then probably switch
EDIT: i just looked it up WTF is wrong with that guy,
i switched asap
I use Prism Launcher, and it does seem to have all the pre-1.0 versions
Classicube? Minetest?
Beta 1.7.3 was the best.
Nothing beats how much fun Minecraft was during the alpha days. It was so janky and broken, yes, but it was awesome seeing the game get built up and improved.
Things are good, not because of the amount of stuff inside the thing that is provided to be discovered.
I read this guy talking about when they nerfed fire in early Minecraft, how he and his friend before the nerf had accidentally set the entire continent on fire and had to run away in a boat for a long time across empty distant ocean, and landed in some strange place and how they set up the beginnings of their first base there that they played out of for years.
Things are good because of the quality of experience you have on the thing. Social media, operating systems, video games, life in general: Adding to it to make it "good" from the outside, often detracts from the goodness of the experience, from the ones experiencing.
Yeah, it was so janky and the jank is what made it fun.
Wed get griefers on our server whod set the whole server on fire, and it would burn endlessly. Wed all go out and try to clear trees to slow it down, periodically dropping our diamond axes on the ground to restore their condition because of course that was broken too.
I remember when one single block of water source would flood the whole map if not contained by sponge blocks
Yeah, notch’s programming was janky and short sighted
I remember when there were no sponge blocks. These are still saved in my head as “new”.
To be fair it kinda went away for a while during the beta and then it got added back years later.
I’ve had a similar experience with a lot of early-access games. They always end up disappointing, and I’ve come to realize it’s because the fun comes not just from playing the game and watching it develop and improve but also in equal part from expectations. It’s easy to look at an unfinished game and imagine what it could be in the future, and those fantasies inevitably exceed what is actually feasible to put into the game. I try to steer clear of early-access games now.
I don’t mind early access, but in also not tripping over myself to play them.
If the game is fun as it stands, then awesome. Anything extra is the cherry on top.
If the game feels half baked and like it’s missing all sorts of stuff, then naw. A game like that is just abusing it’s early access status. Trying to sell itself on the promise of what’s to come.
What about games that become less fun as their development goes along? That’s another thing I’ve noticed with some early-access games whose early versions were more… concentrated, for lack of a better term. If there’s progression involved, it tends to go pretty quickly in early versions. Development then doesn’t change how the game plays or where the progression begins and ends, instead it just adds padding between the fun bits and makes everything take longer. Ever encounter a game like that?
In those cases, as long as I got my moneys worth with the amount of time I invested in the game, then Im at least breaking even. But either way, Im not really spending much time on early access games. They really gotta be compelling to lure me in…
I think I probably agree with all these statements. New Nether lost the allure for me, exploring tidied a lot of the cute chunk generation bugs etc.
Buuut to be honest I didn’t watch the video. 5 mins in and the creator hadn’t really provided any reasoning to back up any points and was just repeating the premise in different ways. Not a well paced video….
Beta 1.8 and its consequences was a disaster for my childhood nostalgia.
Care to share what happened?
They fixed the distance bugs :(
So the game became less predictable?
The consequences of straying too far from spawn got less interesting.
I wonder what this means 🤔
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old minecraft is great.
old minecraft developer wasn’t.
What do you mean? Taylor Swift made Minecraft.
Common mistake, actually it was made by tommy tallarico. His mother is very proud
New Minecraft developer isn’t either…
Eh, issues aside, I’d rather have a greedy late-stage capitalist developer than a proudly neo-nazi developer.
They need to hire more people as they can’t even push out updates they showed off on time.
1 crap mob added via voting nobody likes
Yeah, the loneliness thing really resonates with me. I like to play this Minecraft-like game which doesn’t even have mobs. I live in a society all the damn time. It’s a form of escapism, to dive into this world, where I can just be by myself for a while, without responsibilities or the like.
100% agreed. I didn't even really play more than poking at Minecraft one time to see what it was about, and the instant vibe of being alone in a vast alien landscape with no other living soul for any distance in any direction is exactly as he described.