Announcing systemd v256 (0pointer.net)
from petsoi@discuss.tchncs.de to linux@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 2024 15:03
https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/17262221

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TCB13@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 2024 16:48 next collapse

I’m just going to point out that besides containers, systemd can now manage virtual machines:

systemd version we added systemd-vmspawn. It’s a small wrapper around qemu, which has the point of making it as nice and simple to use qemu as it is to use nspawn.

The idea is that we provide a roughly command line equivalent interface to VMs as for containers, so that it really is as easy to invoke a VM as it already is to invoke a container, supporting both boot from DDIs and boot from directories.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 12 Jun 2024 17:25 next collapse

That actually could be really handy. I’ll have to check it out once this release moves downstream.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 12 Jun 2024 23:20 collapse

Yeah, meanwhile I’ll keep using LXD / Incus for both containers and VMs.

Incus has a few advantages: an image repository, a nicer container manager (cli tools) and sane security defaults. By default Incus assumes your containers should be isolated and secure environments while systemd-nspawn is more about quick and dirty containers useful to compile something or run some trusted task.

llii@discuss.tchncs.de on 13 Jun 2024 09:42 collapse

The thing with Incus is that you get the image repository and manager and the permissions applied to containers make them isolated and secure environments by default running on another user etc etc

This is really hard to read.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 2024 19:49 collapse

Yeah, I was typing from my phone while being distracted by other people. Fixed now.

llii@discuss.tchncs.de on 14 Jun 2024 05:48 collapse

Thanks, that’s much easier to read. :)

Goun@lemmy.ml on 13 Jun 2024 04:02 next collapse

Systemd can manage containers!? TIL

TCB13@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 2024 19:43 collapse
[deleted] on 13 Jun 2024 19:58 next collapse

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TCB13@lemmy.world on 13 Jun 2024 20:14 collapse

Yes 😂 😂 😂

nanook@friendica.eskimo.com on 24 May 2025 00:59 collapse

@TCB13 @petsoi It seems to me that systemd is going the exact opposite of the original Unix philosophy of make a tool for a specific task, make it do it's task well, and then use the necessary tools for the job, systemd is becoming one big piece of bloatware that gets in the way of use rather than helps it.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 24 May 2025 21:08 collapse

I don’t disagree with you but… it also provides a cohesive ecosystem of tools to manage linux. What we had before was a poorly integrated mess of smaller tools that was just too hard to maintain and sometimes use.

Besides not all systemd components come out of the box with the base binary, some have to be installed if you need them. And no, it doesn’t get in the way. :)

nanook@friendica.eskimo.com on 25 May 2025 00:14 collapse

@TCB13 Problem is by being one big bloatware, rather than a set of small discrete tools, if one part of it misbehaves, your entire system is toast instead of just removing, replacing, or fixing that one part. That's why that philosophy belongs in Windows NOT Linux.

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 12 Jun 2024 17:13 collapse

The dream of GNU/Systemd is real.

boonhet@lemm.ee on 13 Jun 2024 07:59 collapse

Perhaps one day it’ll just be systemd at this rate