New Debian release on the horizon?
from superkret@feddit.org to linux@lemmy.ml on 05 May 19:31
https://feddit.org/post/11953383

Looking at Debian’s release-critical bugs, you can see that Trixie is close:
Testing now has fewer critical bugs than Stable, and the number is dropping quickly.
About 200 bugs still need to be fixed to get the number down to where the previous releases were done.

Maybe you can help? Bugs blocking the next release can be as simple as missing translations for the upgrade instructions.

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enemenemu@lemm.ee on 05 May 20:11 next collapse

That’s a nice graphic. I’d love to see something comparing it to a rolling release or fedora.

Unfortunately, it wouldn’t tell you anything because you’d compare apples with oranges.

But since opensuse has a (multiple) stable and rolling release, how would it look there? More like the testing release?

pastermil@sh.itjust.works on 06 May 00:57 collapse

For OpenSUSE, they’d probably have two different graphs.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 05 May 21:01 next collapse

Jesus, people analyzing Debian releases like if it was the stock market 😂

CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world on 05 May 21:18 next collapse

Debian users analyzing graphs in order to estimate when they can upgrade from really old software to slightly less old software 🤣

TCB13@lemmy.world on 05 May 21:53 next collapse

Actually I’m waiting on Debian 13 to get Incus 6.0 LTS! Current machines with LXD 5.0 are starting to annoy me.

barbedbeard@lemmy.one on 05 May 23:11 next collapse

This is the reason I upgraded to Trixie six months ago. Wish I knew better about back ports. Can’t wait to be back in stable release for that server. Love Incus.

superkret@feddit.org on 06 May 09:57 next collapse

I upgraded to Trixie last week.
It already worked as flawlessly as I’d expect it when the release is official.
It installed a bunch of new packages, removed the same number of obsolete ones, and upgraded everything else.
On the next apt update, it asks to reformat sources.list and that’s it.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 06 May 12:25 collapse

Yeah, I did that in a system as well and seems to work, for for the others I’ll have to wait for the final release, too critical. I’m one of those guys who runs a lot of Debian because the risks of a distro like Ubuntu Server are way over what I can be exposed to.

superkret@feddit.org on 06 May 12:27 collapse

Yeah, you don’t want to have to explain that production went down cause you migrated it to the “Testing” branch.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 06 May 12:29 collapse

Trust me, at that point there won’t be any explaining possible :D

We’ve been burned by a lot of distros in the past and right now it all boils down to using Debian and RHEL, everything else mostly failed at some point or will not uphold the stability guarantees. Even containers with Alpine fucked us over once with the musl DNS issues and a few other missing parts…

koala@programming.dev on 06 May 20:26 collapse

It’s on backports :D

(I’m actually running it from the Zabbly repos.)

TCB13@lemmy.world on 06 May 21:01 collapse

I know, but I can’t enable backports. Same goes for the risks with using the Zabbly and their dependencies.

koala@programming.dev on 07 May 07:23 collapse

Ah, sucks :(

I’m looking forward to see where Incus OS goes, or TrueNAS Scale. Honestly, I was very tempted to automate a procedure to take a Proxmox ZFS install and replace the Proxmox bits with Incus bits :) Incus + ZFS as an appliance would be nice. I kinda don’t want to think about the underlying OS.

TCB13@lemmy.world on 07 May 08:19 collapse

Incus OS

That will be the end of Proxmox. And I really hope it happens fast.

koala@programming.dev on 07 May 18:25 collapse

I dunno, I still have a soft spot for Proxmox. I want ZFS, so it’s about the only game in town with support.

(TrueNAS Scale looks good, but it would increase too much my Hetzner costs, because of their requirement of having a dedicated root pool. And I don’t want an LTS distro that supports root-on-ZFS “oficially”. That narrows the field quite a bit.)

(For work and for my workstations, I’m very pleased with Incus on top of Debian… but that’s because I don’t need ZFS on those.)

procapra@lemm.ee on 06 May 01:07 next collapse

If this is all people cared about they’d be using Sid. Debian Stable is stable. It’s not there to be flashy and new. It’s there to work and stay working.

CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV@lemmy.world on 06 May 01:40 collapse

Yes, indeed. Even agreed! Joking i was, poking some fun. All in jest, even the emoji couldn’t put the overly serious answers to rest!

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 May 12:11 next collapse

This is like Nostradamus for me. I don’t want to update and deal with potential breaks.

null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 May 12:53 collapse

I know you’re joking but with flatpaks and app images you don’t even notice the oldness any more.

FauxLiving@lemmy.world on 06 May 01:03 collapse
gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com on 05 May 21:05 next collapse

It's been reported (Debian mailing list, Phoronix, Linuxiac) that Debian 13 will likely be out this summer. The hard freeze is on May 15 and usually that means the actual release is pretty close, just a couple of months away.

Phoronix speculated that ,since Debian 12 went from initial freeze to stable release in 5 months, Debian 13 could release around August.

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 07 May 11:17 collapse

Pleeaaasssee get kernel 6.14 in, or at least to Backports. I’ve been doing work to support the new dual screen Zenbook Pro in Linux, and I’m having to do it with Ubuntu 25.10 because Backports only goes to 6.13. Though my trusty remove-snap script still works.

yoevli@lemmy.world on 07 May 15:08 collapse

Debian stable only uses LTS kernel releases, so unfortunately you’ll need to wait for it to appear in trixie-backports.

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 08 May 01:27 collapse

I hadn’t considered Trixie. Regular Backports is at 6.13, is Trixie ar 6.14?

yoevli@lemmy.world on 09 May 15:25 collapse

Ah, I assumed you were just talking about the upcoming release. AFAIK trixie-backports doesn’t exist yet though.

ohshit604@sh.itjust.works on 06 May 01:37 next collapse

The day I do the old fashioned sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and everything suddenly breaks is when I know I’m on Debian 13.

Geodad@lemm.ee on 06 May 03:19 next collapse

Unless you change your sources.list, you’ll just update your current system.

bunitor@lemmy.eco.br on 06 May 14:41 collapse

unless they have stable instead of bookworm on their sources.list

Geodad@lemm.ee on 06 May 19:38 collapse

It defaults to the codename. Any installer you download will be either Bookworm or Sid right now.

Matriks404@lemmy.world on 07 May 08:37 collapse

I really wish they had easier way to switch to newer version. It works for me, since it’s not that hard to edit sources.list (or debian.sources nowadays), but I don’t get why they don’t make a tool that does a release upgrade like on Ubuntu. Could even list changes made to the sources file during execution for that matter.

Geodad@lemm.ee on 07 May 10:32 collapse

Yeah, I don’t know. Probably because people don’t immediately upgrade? A lot of people use a release until it goes EoL.

superkret@feddit.org on 06 May 04:46 next collapse

If you didn’t mess with your sources.list it won’t switch to the new release automatically.

Infernal_pizza@lemm.ee on 06 May 12:01 next collapse

Why would that break on Debian 13?

apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca on 06 May 13:47 collapse
bunitor@lemmy.eco.br on 06 May 14:44 collapse

debian updates usually go pretty smooth in my personal experience. last time i had an annoying problem with the nvidia proprietary drivers, but that was an exception (i had no such problem in previous updates) and i think it was my fault

bunitor@lemmy.eco.br on 06 May 14:40 next collapse

i made a spreadsheet of debian release dates, graphed the days between releases and calculated a probable release date based on last release date + average days between releases* +/- 1 std deviation

if i remember correctly, bookworm was within my predicted range (apr-aug 2023, i think) and we’re now fully within trixie’s predicted range

*before etch (4.0), release intervals varied wildly, so I don’t take those into consideration

superkret@feddit.org on 06 May 14:50 collapse

Yeah, nowadays it’s just every other year around June. Linux has become so boring ;)

bunitor@lemmy.eco.br on 06 May 18:17 collapse

debian is boring as hell and that’s why i love it

qistoph@feddit.nl on 06 May 16:04 next collapse

Yeah, I just finally updated the last remaining servers to bookworm this weekend, so a next release is probably coming soon. Proven by earlier experiences

VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works on 06 May 23:20 next collapse

Dude chill it’s not crypto

JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml on 07 May 12:35 collapse

You’re just mad your distro hasn’t MOONED

milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee on 07 May 13:18 collapse

What’s the mysterious purple line? Red Hat?