You might say not the greatest achievement for seven years comparing to some
other developers. Perhaps. But I meant each of these tags, be sure.
lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml
on 24 Oct 12:02
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Yeah itâs cutting off the nose to spite the face. Stupid move by the kernel admins. If youâre gonna start banning people from contributitg because of shut their government does, then the entire US and Israeli population of Linux devs should be dropped.
The cold war is reborn and this time itâs warmer. Do people not understand that before 30 years ago no communication occured with countries behind the iron curtain. Russiaâs invasion of Ukraine put us on a path back to those kind of relations.
lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml
on 24 Oct 22:05
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The new cold war started long before Russia invaded. Google Victoria Newlands involvement in the maidan coup that triggered it
Naw fam this is just stupid. We need global collaboration thatâs what open source is all about.
Stupid or not, it is the state of the world. Itâs not down to Linus to do anything but live and work within the situation constructed by the governments of nation states.
UPDATE: When asked whether Linus Torvalds was under any sort of NDA around this, he responded:
âNo, but Iâm not a lawyer, so Iâm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers.
Iâm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.â
Linus was always really, really stupid politically. Itâs truly amazing heâs outlived the Linux foundation.
ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org
on 24 Oct 13:20
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Two comments about this:
It is my firm belief that 99% of the population of any country ruled by a dictator are the primary victims of that dictator, donât condone what their rulers do, have done nothing wrong and are just trying to be good people in unfavorable circumstances.
The Russians are no different and it isnât fair to impose on Russian individuals of obvious good will the treatment governments apply to the Russian government, because the Russian government and the Russian people are two very different things.
Iâm Finnish. Did you think Iâd be supporting Russian aggression?
and here Iâm telling you this: Linus acts like a dipshit.
I know the Finns very, VERY well, and while theyâre generally great people, when it comes to Russia and Russians, they have epidermic reactions of totally unreasonable proportions.
I understand where theyâre coming from and why they react like that, but Russia is to the Finnish people what peanuts are to someone with a peanut allergy: the reaction is totally disproportionate and with zero nuances.
Donât ever try to argue with a Finn that a Russian person can be good, and that Putin is also their enemy: the Finn will shut down and stop talking to you - meaning, in their culture, that you can politely go fuck yourself.
And thatâs what weâre witnessing here with Linus: however many years heâs lived in California, he still hasnât shed that part of his upbringing, and quite frankly, shame on him.
TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
on 24 Oct 21:12
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Finland were Nazi collaborators and aligned with the Axis. After the Soviets let them do their own thing, they have been trying to create new national myths of how actually they were good people that didnât send thousands of Jews to their deaths. This kind of apologia manifests as Russophobia and the various ahistorical recuperations of WWII omnipresent in Western media.
It is like asking a racist Southerner about the Confederacy. You will hear lost cause apologia. Now imagine if they were their own country writing their own history books and media putsches. Now imagine their narrative was slotted into the historical revisionism of the strongest superpower. That is how you get such racist Finns.
Weird meme since Finland and Finns are very open about who Finland sided with and itâs very commonly talked about too. If anything it should rather be that weâre too nonchalant about it rather than trying to hide it somehow.
Another great one is âlarry thorneâ, aka Lauri Törni, a finnish nazi (buried with the highest honors in USAâs Arlington cemetary btw) who fought against communists and lost 3 times (twice against the USSR, then took an L in Vietnam).
they were good people that didnât send thousands of Jews to their deaths
Iâm not sure how youâve counted it but the number for those who were given to the Germans was eight refugees and âsome tensâ of (Soviet) PoWs. A pretty far cry from the âthousandsâ you mentioned, but as I said, Iâm not sure what you are counting.
For a long time the war and stuff like this was a sore point and the heroic myth overruled everything but since at least for a decade this particular topic has got a lot of public discourse. The heroic myth still lives on though, even if it is milder than it used to be.
For a book, âFinlandâs Holocaust: Silences of Historyâ by Muir and Worthen provides decent context. For more specifics, the pioneering work of Elina Sana, particularly Luovutetut, should provide the later basis. The thing to focus on is how the intentional ignorance of what her work revealed was maintained for decades by a âif nobody looks or talks about it, Nobody will knowâ approach to Finland, whose whitewashed participation as a Nazi ally had been fairly thorough. Subsequent critics picked at the margins but her overall thesis and work holds up.
I have the book here in front of me and I think this is the part yourâe thinking. From first book, talking about your second source:
Finlandâs Holocaust: Silences of History, page 151.
Challenging the official figure of eight Jewish refugees handed over to the German authorities, Sana claimed that during the GermanâFinnish alliance, the Continuation War (1941â44), Finland extradited almost 3,000 civilians and POWs, among them approximately 100 Jews.
How you could turn that to thousands of handed over Jews, I donât know. If some other part brings it up tenfold then I didnât see it with a quick glance. I think you mightâve misread or misremembered that part since nowadays that doesnât challenge what I said with âIâm not sure how youâve counted it but the number for Jews who were given to the Germans was eight refugees and âsome tensâ of (Soviet) PoWs.â Some upper estimates got âup to a hundredâ based on just the last names, but usually the number Iâve seen is below that since just the names can be very uncertain in Russian context.
Still horrible, no question about that, but I originally came to correct was this:
they were good people that didnât send thousands of Jews to their deaths
I am looking at both but I honestly think you just made a mistake and thought the total number of extraditions was all Jews when the claim is just that âapproximately 100â were.
If thereâs part on either that goes against the quote shown, that jumps up the number tenfold (or more), Iâd be happy to see it. But neither book nor any public discourse or (academic) reviews of the books seem to talk about anything but what Iâve quoted here. If the claim was thousands of Jewish victims and not âapproximately 100â, from what I could find, everyone but you have read it differently or missed that part. And that would be really significant with how big of a disconnect there has been.
I think youâve just misread or misremembered that partâŠ
Iâm sorry but they are just not saying what you thought they were. Thousands of extradited people yes, thousands of Jews no. If you have quotes to share or something then please do, because now it just seems like thereâs been a mistake on your part.
It can be hard to admit to having been wrong, even when itâs an understandable mistake like this, but literally no one else read the books you mentioned and came away with thinking it was thousands of Jews. First book clearly says (citing the second) it was âapproximately 100â. Thousands would be at least ten times that.
You are trying to convince me that these books have a ten times bigger number than what everyone else seems to think they said (including the author of the first book), but you canât give any quotations, you canât give anything concrete other than âitâs there trust me broâ.
I doubt anyone is buying what you are selling. Now would be a good time to either admit to the mistake or put money where your mouth is and actually cite the works like I have.
I did cite works. You have decided that your guessing based on Googling is better than reading the books cited. I cannot fix your laziness. You asked for things to read and I provided them. I cannot, unfortunately, make you read them instead of bullshitting.
Sana estimated 500 from a single deportation, by the way.
I donât think Iâm better than the books you cited. I trust those books. You mentioned two books who both directly contradict you by saying the number was âapproximately 100â. Sana says out of the around 3000 people, âat least 74 were Jewsâ. You mistook the total number of handed over POWs for the number of handed over Jews.
If you think it gives a different number, one that nobody else seems to think is included in those books, please be so kind as to show where in either book.
Sana estimated 500 from a single deportation, by the way.
She did, but they are not talking about Jews specifically but all the people handed over. Like Iâve tried to explain to you many times, the larger numbers you are citing are for all the people handed over to Germans. Out of those people, Sana estimated that at least 74 were Jews, but since itâs uncertain, itâs said that itâs âapproximately 100â.
I think youâve been under the false assumption that all deportations or even significant percentage were Jews, even though both books say that they constituted âapproximately 100â out of the around 3000 people handed over. Most werenât Jews but handed over for other reasons.
I donât think Iâm better than the books you cited.
You obviously prize your guesswork and imagination over the historical work you were provided. You are repeatedly announcing, with certainty, how correct you are based on a screenshot of a review of several books, in contradiction of what the book I cited will tell you.
Like I said, I canât force you to read. You are welcome for the book recommendations.
These are numbers from the actual books. The screenshot is the first work you cited, contradicting you. The numbers in the above comment comment come from Sanaâs book. As Iâve explained many times, you misunderstood what you read and thought all those deported were Jews, but neither makes that claim. Most were deported for other reasons.
You obviously prize your guesswork and imagination over the historical work you were provided
I donât, thatâs why I was hoping youâd show me where in those books these claims are. Since from reading them, they thoroughly contradict your numbers. You say you canât force me to read but Iâm constantly asking you to show where in the books these claims are so I could read it and see what part you are citing. Because the parts Iâve posted here, again, directly contradict your numbers. Clearly thereâs something wrong so just telling where in the books these numbers are you are basing your claim would be very helpful.
You are repeatedly announcing, with certainty, how correct you are based on a screenshot of a review of several books, in contradiction of what the book I cited will tell you.
The screenshot is from the first book you cited. I literally have it right here in front of me. You are telling me one thing and the book you say you are basing your numbers on says another. Itâs a funny situation. Itâs like when people claim something based on the Bible but when asked to show where it says so, theyâre suddenly unable to come up with any pages or actual quotations, itâs just âitâs in thereâ. I bet it is friend, I bet it is.
already told you that Sana esrimated 500 from a single deportation.
She said 500 people were deported (in that single instance), not that 500 Jews were deported⊠You are misremembering or misunderstood what she said, Iâm sorry to say.
I will not be replying further
I was about to ask if you have the book right in front of you and could perhaps check that what you remember reading is actually what it said. That way we could both double check that you got it right. But I somehow doubt that would happen anyway. If you have the book right now it wouldnât hurt to double check.
Another thing I was thinking of was that in what language did you read it? If you read it in Finnish, are you a native speaker or fluent? Because a misunderstanding could be down to that.
Iâm honestly just trying my hardest to find out what part you are citing and why youâd come up with such a wildly different number from everyone else. I know you said you wouldnât reply anymore but it would be very helpful in figuring out this mystery.
Okay one last note: she estimated 500 Jews were deported in a single deportation. You can go ahead and read the book that you have no read and that I have if you want the privilege of asserting otherwise.
Such proud, unapologetic, arrogant lying.
Okay but really, last reply. Have a nice life. Hope you find a way to stop huffing your own farts.
Do you happen to remember where in the book did she claim that? Iâm honestly trying to just figure out where in the book you read that since I donât think anyone else came off from reading it with such a drastically different number. What everyone else, such as the other book you mentioned, keeps saying is âapproximately 100â. Itâs such a big disparity that itâs interesting.
Such proud, unapologetic, arrogant lying.
Okay but really, last reply. Have a nice life. Hope you find a way to stop huffing your own farts.
I mean tbh I think youâve just made a mistake and are too pigheaded to admit it. But Iâm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, it might just be an honest case of misremembering. If you have the book around or otherwise remember where those numbers were claimed in it we could easily check and thatâd be that.
Donât ever try to argue with a Finn that a Russian person can be good, and that Putin is also their enemy: the Finn will shut down and stop talking to you - meaning, in their culture, that you can politely go fuck yourself.
I cracked up reading this. Itâs not like that these days. Some people are and it used to be worse but things have changed a bunch.
The Russian attack into Ukraine soured things again though. Not that thatâs an excuse, rather it just happened following that.
While I agree with you and what Iâm about to say is the result of decades of propaganda sadly a massive part of the Russian population fully support putin and believe the bullshit they get fed.
Like I said it makes sense and they are victims of the propaganda but it doesnât change the fact
Collatz_problem@hexbear.net
on 25 Oct 02:59
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Unhinged bullshit like this did more to make people support Putin than any propaganda he could spit.
Mate have you interacted with many Russians since the war broke out? I happen to spend every day surrounded by quite a few, all but one think they are justified in the war.
Now there are of course tonnes of people that donât think that way, but they are sadly not the majority
Collatz_problem@hexbear.net
on 25 Oct 03:24
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For first several months the war was extremely unpopular, but sanctions and discrimination against Russians did orders of magnitude more to make people think of the West as the enemy than the dumb state propaganda.
TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
on 24 Oct 21:08
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Linux leadership: we are running dogs for American empire and will eagerly implement all chauvinisy policies in our âinternationalâ open source project. Sure we can insult you and lie and make bigoted comments.
Are you all stoked for major forks? Because this is how you get major forks. Presimably they will start as patches on upstream, but decoupling would be an eventuality.
With the state of western software development and how ingrained the US and Israeli security state seems to be there, plus how much China seems to be prioritizing top-to-bottom self-sufficiency in tech, I wouldnât be surprised if a Chinese fork that welcomes Russian contributors becomes a force unto itself.
An ecosystem where India, Russia, and China based coders take leadership is an ecosystem that has a bigger chance for mass adoption in the biggest manufacturing economies in the world.
Stuxnet is just the beginning. Who knows how many hidden programs theyâre running and building, how many certs and VPNs are compromised, what encryption algos theyâve cracked, what platforms they have full and instant access to, what critical infrastructure theyâve rigged to blow, just waiting for a go codeâŠ
This isnât the end of Linux but it may be the beginning of the end. Right now alarm bells are screaming in China, Russia, India, across the global south about this. Theyâve seen the decades of US sanctions, often arbitrary and other punitive measures including cultural campaigns of exclusion and punishment (remember âfreedom friesâ after 9/11 because the French wouldnât go along with US adventures in Iraq?) now reaching a fever-pitch. All pretensions of the US to stand for freedom and individual liberty and such have been pushed aside, shoved away by these acts and the blatant hypocrisy of their support of the genocidal zionist state which even now broadens the war of aggression and genocide against Palestinians and Lebanese with full US support and diplomatic cover at the UN.
They see that all that lofty talk from the US was after all a lie. A large number of lies.
Where do we go from here? I fear fragmentation and partition of the world may be inevitable, a new cold war, the internet, software, everything being divided by series of hard and not so hard walls and barriers impeding cooperation, business, trade, cultural exchange, and people to people relations and discussions at an organic grassroots level.
Those in the west will see the freedoms increasingly curtailed, lofty language rolled back behind a large series of ever more expansive âbutâŠâ clauses, corporatization of the internet will increase, surveillance, control all justified by the waved wand of hysteria over Russia, China, Iran, muslims, whoever necessitating giving up your privacy, your rights, your freedoms, and of course any right for a dissenting opinion against whoever the current US president is and their administration.
National security in the 90s was used to outlaw export of encryption, to embargo the idea of a secure internet, to push for backdoor chips via the clipper chip in all personal computers. Now it and the same kind of foreign boogeymen are being used to finish that task that they failed at and we are letting them because of jingoism.
Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
on 25 Oct 08:04
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Israel is not expanding the war, itâs expanding the occupation.
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This is all very sad.
thats a lot of words for contributing for a single year, only half of which was 'volunteer'
I think he wrote that he had been contributing for about 7 or 8 years, and only the last one was as a volunteer.
ahhh, this is the line i was referring to.. maybe i misunderstood
How long have you been contributing?
47
Thatâs remarkable considering Linux is only 33 years old.
amazing right
Yeah itâs cutting off the nose to spite the face. Stupid move by the kernel admins. If youâre gonna start banning people from contributitg because of shut their government does, then the entire US and Israeli population of Linux devs should be dropped.
The cold war is reborn and this time itâs warmer. Do people not understand that before 30 years ago no communication occured with countries behind the iron curtain. Russiaâs invasion of Ukraine put us on a path back to those kind of relations.
The new cold war started long before Russia invaded. Google Victoria Newlands involvement in the maidan coup that triggered it
Naw fam this is just stupid. We need global collaboration thatâs what open source is all about.
Stupid or not, it is the state of the world. Itâs not down to Linus to do anything but live and work within the situation constructed by the governments of nation states.
It seems like it has more to do with the us goverment, still, this is some bs level i havent seen in a while.
Not only they were banned, they removed them from the credits! this is bs.
www.phoronix.com/âŠ/Linus-Torvalds-Russian-Devs
Linus was always really, really stupid politically. Itâs truly amazing heâs outlived the Linux foundation.
Two comments about this:
It is my firm belief that 99% of the population of any country ruled by a dictator are the primary victims of that dictator, donât condone what their rulers do, have done nothing wrong and are just trying to be good people in unfavorable circumstances.
The Russians are no different and it isnât fair to impose on Russian individuals of obvious good will the treatment governments apply to the Russian government, because the Russian government and the Russian people are two very different things.
Linus said in this interview:
and here Iâm telling you this: Linus acts like a dipshit.
I know the Finns very, VERY well, and while theyâre generally great people, when it comes to Russia and Russians, they have epidermic reactions of totally unreasonable proportions.
I understand where theyâre coming from and why they react like that, but Russia is to the Finnish people what peanuts are to someone with a peanut allergy: the reaction is totally disproportionate and with zero nuances.
Donât ever try to argue with a Finn that a Russian person can be good, and that Putin is also their enemy: the Finn will shut down and stop talking to you - meaning, in their culture, that you can politely go fuck yourself.
And thatâs what weâre witnessing here with Linus: however many years heâs lived in California, he still hasnât shed that part of his upbringing, and quite frankly, shame on him.
Finland were Nazi collaborators and aligned with the Axis. After the Soviets let them do their own thing, they have been trying to create new national myths of how actually they were good people that didnât send thousands of Jews to their deaths. This kind of apologia manifests as Russophobia and the various ahistorical recuperations of WWII omnipresent in Western media.
It is like asking a racist Southerner about the Confederacy. You will hear lost cause apologia. Now imagine if they were their own country writing their own history books and media putsches. Now imagine their narrative was slotted into the historical revisionism of the strongest superpower. That is how you get such racist Finns.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/2bb6a1c9-84e8-493c-b48a-6145ed59e4f2.jpeg">
Weird meme since Finland and Finns are very open about who Finland sided with and itâs very commonly talked about too. If anything it should rather be that weâre too nonchalant about it rather than trying to hide it somehow.
lmao
Another great one is âlarry thorneâ, aka Lauri Törni, a finnish nazi (buried with the highest honors in USAâs Arlington cemetary btw) who fought against communists and lost 3 times (twice against the USSR, then took an L in Vietnam).
This wiki sidebar sure is one
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/f0eda6d3-1781-41b0-9301-1c185173f040.jpeg">
Amazing!
Iâm not sure how youâve counted it but the number for those who were given to the Germans was eight refugees and âsome tensâ of (Soviet) PoWs. A pretty far cry from the âthousandsâ you mentioned, but as I said, Iâm not sure what you are counting.
For a long time the war and stuff like this was a sore point and the heroic myth overruled everything but since at least for a decade this particular topic has got a lot of public discourse. The heroic myth still lives on though, even if it is milder than it used to be.
That is the official ahistorical line. Actual historical work accounts for thousands.
Can you share some of these works?
E: TL;DR cited works didnât actually claim âthousandsâ but âapproximately 100â. With two zeroes.
For a book, âFinlandâs Holocaust: Silences of Historyâ by Muir and Worthen provides decent context. For more specifics, the pioneering work of Elina Sana, particularly Luovutetut, should provide the later basis. The thing to focus on is how the intentional ignorance of what her work revealed was maintained for decades by a âif nobody looks or talks about it, Nobody will knowâ approach to Finland, whose whitewashed participation as a Nazi ally had been fairly thorough. Subsequent critics picked at the margins but her overall thesis and work holds up.
I have the book here in front of me and I think this is the part yourâe thinking. From first book, talking about your second source:
Finlandâs Holocaust: Silences of History, page 151.
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How you could turn that to thousands of handed over Jews, I donât know. If some other part brings it up tenfold then I didnât see it with a quick glance. I think you mightâve misread or misremembered that part since nowadays that doesnât challenge what I said with âIâm not sure how youâve counted it but the number for Jews who were given to the Germans was eight refugees and âsome tensâ of (Soviet) PoWs.â Some upper estimates got âup to a hundredâ based on just the last names, but usually the number Iâve seen is below that since just the names can be very uncertain in Russian context.
Still horrible, no question about that, but I originally came to correct was this:
Youâve gotta read both books
I am looking at both but I honestly think you just made a mistake and thought the total number of extraditions was all Jews when the claim is just that âapproximately 100â were.
If thereâs part on either that goes against the quote shown, that jumps up the number tenfold (or more), Iâd be happy to see it. But neither book nor any public discourse or (academic) reviews of the books seem to talk about anything but what Iâve quoted here. If the claim was thousands of Jewish victims and not âapproximately 100â, from what I could find, everyone but you have read it differently or missed that part. And that would be really significant with how big of a disconnect there has been.
I think youâve just misread or misremembered that partâŠ
Like I said, read both books
Iâm sorry but they are just not saying what you thought they were. Thousands of extradited people yes, thousands of Jews no. If you have quotes to share or something then please do, because now it just seems like thereâs been a mistake on your part.
Instead of guessing incorrectly, you could read the materials I offered. I donât know why you believe your lazy guesswork is better than my reading.
I will give you one hint but to be honest at this point it is being too nice: POWs.
It can be hard to admit to having been wrong, even when itâs an understandable mistake like this, but literally no one else read the books you mentioned and came away with thinking it was thousands of Jews. First book clearly says (citing the second) it was âapproximately 100â. Thousands would be at least ten times that.
You are trying to convince me that these books have a ten times bigger number than what everyone else seems to think they said (including the author of the first book), but you canât give any quotations, you canât give anything concrete other than âitâs there trust me broâ.
I doubt anyone is buying what you are selling. Now would be a good time to either admit to the mistake or put money where your mouth is and actually cite the works like I have.
I did cite works. You have decided that your guessing based on Googling is better than reading the books cited. I cannot fix your laziness. You asked for things to read and I provided them. I cannot, unfortunately, make you read them instead of bullshitting.
Sana estimated 500 from a single deportation, by the way.
I donât think Iâm better than the books you cited. I trust those books. You mentioned two books who both directly contradict you by saying the number was âapproximately 100â. Sana says out of the around 3000 people, âat least 74 were Jewsâ. You mistook the total number of handed over POWs for the number of handed over Jews.
If you think it gives a different number, one that nobody else seems to think is included in those books, please be so kind as to show where in either book.
She did, but they are not talking about Jews specifically but all the people handed over. Like Iâve tried to explain to you many times, the larger numbers you are citing are for all the people handed over to Germans. Out of those people, Sana estimated that at least 74 were Jews, but since itâs uncertain, itâs said that itâs âapproximately 100â.
I think youâve been under the false assumption that all deportations or even significant percentage were Jews, even though both books say that they constituted âapproximately 100â out of the around 3000 people handed over. Most werenât Jews but handed over for other reasons.
You obviously prize your guesswork and imagination over the historical work you were provided. You are repeatedly announcing, with certainty, how correct you are based on a screenshot of a review of several books, in contradiction of what the book I cited will tell you.
Like I said, I canât force you to read. You are welcome for the book recommendations.
These are numbers from the actual books. The screenshot is the first work you cited, contradicting you. The numbers in the above comment comment come from Sanaâs book. As Iâve explained many times, you misunderstood what you read and thought all those deported were Jews, but neither makes that claim. Most were deported for other reasons.
I donât, thatâs why I was hoping youâd show me where in those books these claims are. Since from reading them, they thoroughly contradict your numbers. You say you canât force me to read but Iâm constantly asking you to show where in the books these claims are so I could read it and see what part you are citing. Because the parts Iâve posted here, again, directly contradict your numbers. Clearly thereâs something wrong so just telling where in the books these numbers are you are basing your claim would be very helpful.
The screenshot is from the first book you cited. I literally have it right here in front of me. You are telling me one thing and the book you say you are basing your numbers on says another. Itâs a funny situation. Itâs like when people claim something based on the Bible but when asked to show where it says so, theyâre suddenly unable to come up with any pages or actual quotations, itâs just âitâs in thereâ. I bet it is friend, I bet it is.
I already told you that Sana esrimated 500 from a single deportation. You have not read Sanaâs works.
I will not be replying further. You are welcome for the book recommendations. I wonder if you will read them.
She said 500 people were deported (in that single instance), not that 500 Jews were deported⊠You are misremembering or misunderstood what she said, Iâm sorry to say.
I was about to ask if you have the book right in front of you and could perhaps check that what you remember reading is actually what it said. That way we could both double check that you got it right. But I somehow doubt that would happen anyway. If you have the book right now it wouldnât hurt to double check.
Another thing I was thinking of was that in what language did you read it? If you read it in Finnish, are you a native speaker or fluent? Because a misunderstanding could be down to that.
Iâm honestly just trying my hardest to find out what part you are citing and why youâd come up with such a wildly different number from everyone else. I know you said you wouldnât reply anymore but it would be very helpful in figuring out this mystery.
Okay one last note: she estimated 500 Jews were deported in a single deportation. You can go ahead and read the book that you have no read and that I have if you want the privilege of asserting otherwise.
Such proud, unapologetic, arrogant lying.
Okay but really, last reply. Have a nice life. Hope you find a way to stop huffing your own farts.
Do you happen to remember where in the book did she claim that? Iâm honestly trying to just figure out where in the book you read that since I donât think anyone else came off from reading it with such a drastically different number. What everyone else, such as the other book you mentioned, keeps saying is âapproximately 100â. Itâs such a big disparity that itâs interesting.
I mean tbh I think youâve just made a mistake and are too pigheaded to admit it. But Iâm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, it might just be an honest case of misremembering. If you have the book around or otherwise remember where those numbers were claimed in it we could easily check and thatâd be that.
I cracked up reading this. Itâs not like that these days. Some people are and it used to be worse but things have changed a bunch.
The Russian attack into Ukraine soured things again though. Not that thatâs an excuse, rather it just happened following that.
While I agree with you and what Iâm about to say is the result of decades of propaganda sadly a massive part of the Russian population fully support putin and believe the bullshit they get fed.
Like I said it makes sense and they are victims of the propaganda but it doesnât change the fact
Unhinged bullshit like this did more to make people support Putin than any propaganda he could spit.
Mate have you interacted with many Russians since the war broke out? I happen to spend every day surrounded by quite a few, all but one think they are justified in the war.
Now there are of course tonnes of people that donât think that way, but they are sadly not the majority
For first several months the war was extremely unpopular, but sanctions and discrimination against Russians did orders of magnitude more to make people think of the West as the enemy than the dumb state propaganda.
Linux leadership: we are running dogs for American empire and will eagerly implement all chauvinisy policies in our âinternationalâ open source project. Sure we can insult you and lie and make bigoted comments.
Are you all stoked for major forks? Because this is how you get major forks. Presimably they will start as patches on upstream, but decoupling would be an eventuality.
With the state of western software development and how ingrained the US and Israeli security state seems to be there, plus how much China seems to be prioritizing top-to-bottom self-sufficiency in tech, I wouldnât be surprised if a Chinese fork that welcomes Russian contributors becomes a force unto itself.
An ecosystem where India, Russia, and China based coders take leadership is an ecosystem that has a bigger chance for mass adoption in the biggest manufacturing economies in the world.
Stuxnet is just the beginning. Who knows how many hidden programs theyâre running and building, how many certs and VPNs are compromised, what encryption algos theyâve cracked, what platforms they have full and instant access to, what critical infrastructure theyâve rigged to blow, just waiting for a go codeâŠ
We wonât know for 20 years at least.
Gonna be doing the âdownloading communismâ meme a bit sooner than expected irl
Just make a new kernel or something đ€·
This isnât the end of Linux but it may be the beginning of the end. Right now alarm bells are screaming in China, Russia, India, across the global south about this. Theyâve seen the decades of US sanctions, often arbitrary and other punitive measures including cultural campaigns of exclusion and punishment (remember âfreedom friesâ after 9/11 because the French wouldnât go along with US adventures in Iraq?) now reaching a fever-pitch. All pretensions of the US to stand for freedom and individual liberty and such have been pushed aside, shoved away by these acts and the blatant hypocrisy of their support of the genocidal zionist state which even now broadens the war of aggression and genocide against Palestinians and Lebanese with full US support and diplomatic cover at the UN.
They see that all that lofty talk from the US was after all a lie. A large number of lies.
Where do we go from here? I fear fragmentation and partition of the world may be inevitable, a new cold war, the internet, software, everything being divided by series of hard and not so hard walls and barriers impeding cooperation, business, trade, cultural exchange, and people to people relations and discussions at an organic grassroots level.
Those in the west will see the freedoms increasingly curtailed, lofty language rolled back behind a large series of ever more expansive âbutâŠâ clauses, corporatization of the internet will increase, surveillance, control all justified by the waved wand of hysteria over Russia, China, Iran, muslims, whoever necessitating giving up your privacy, your rights, your freedoms, and of course any right for a dissenting opinion against whoever the current US president is and their administration.
National security in the 90s was used to outlaw export of encryption, to embargo the idea of a secure internet, to push for backdoor chips via the clipper chip in all personal computers. Now it and the same kind of foreign boogeymen are being used to finish that task that they failed at and we are letting them because of jingoism.
Israel is not expanding the war, itâs expanding the occupation.