from nikqwxq550@futurology.today to linux@lemmy.ml on 15 Mar 08:14
https://futurology.today/post/4001956
cross-posted from: futurology.today/post/4000823
And by burned, I mean “realize they have been burning for over a year”. I’m referring to a bug in the Tor Browser flatpak that prevented the launcher from updating the actual browser, despite the launcher itself updating every week or so. The fix requires manual intervention, and this was never communicated to users. The browser itself also doesn’t alert the user that it is outdated. The only reason I found out today was because the NoScript extension broke due to the browser being so old.
To make matters worse, the outdated version of the browser that I had, differs from the outdated version reported in the Github thread. In other words, if you were hoping that at least everybody affected by the bug would be stuck at the same version (and thus have the same fingerprint), that doesn’t seem to be the case.
This is an extreme fingerprinting vulnerability. In fact I checked my fingerprint on multiple websites, and I had a unique fingerprint even with javascript disabled. So in other words, despite following the best privacy and security advice of:
- using Tor Browser
- disabling javascript
- keeping software updated
My online habits have been tracked for over a year. Even if Duckduckgo or Startpage doesn’t fingerprint users, Reddit sure does (to detect ban evasions, etc), and we all know 90% of searches lead to Reddit, and that Reddit sells data to Google. So I have been browsing the web for over a year with a false sense of security, all the while most of my browsing was linked to a single identity, and that much data is more than enough to link it to my real identity.
How was I supposed to catch this? Manually check the About page of my browser to make sure the number keeps incrementing? Browse the Github issue tracker before bed? Is all this privacy and security advice actually good, or does it just give people a false sense of security, when in reality the software isn’t maintained enough for those recommendations to make a difference? Sorry for the rant, it’s just all so tiring.
Edit: I want to clarify that this is not an attack on the lone dev maintaining the Tor Browser flatpak. They mention in the issue that they were fairly busy last year. I just wanted to know how other people handled this issue.
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@nikqwxq550 I was about to advocate for the flatpak packager-maintainer being a random guy volunteering for the job. But no, it's official flathub.org/apps/org.torprojec…
So… How do we do we’re running an outdated version, and what is the fix that requires manual intervention?
You can check the Tor Project blog to figure out the latest release, and go to your Tor Browser’s menu > Help > About Tor Browser to see if it matches. It should be version 14.0.7. If it is not, the fix is detailed in the Github issue I linked in the post
It was collapsed for me at first, and buried under a lot of other comments, but a workaround is mentioned here. Unfortunately, that didn’t seem to work for me, but deleting the Flatpak and deleting all associated data, and then reinstalling it, I think did the trick.
Although it does now show this warning, which doesn’t sound great.
Edit: actually, I think that was the reason I concluded the first workaround didn’t work, but looking at that URL, this might just have been introduced in Firefox 128, which is newer than the old version of Tor was based on. So it looks like both worked.
You are right I should have linked directly to the workaround, sorry. Glad you got it sorted out though.
No worries, thanks again!
Just don’t use flatpaks. Let your distribution handle updates like it is supposed to do.
This was an official Flatpak from Tor Browser, so there’s no reason why it should be less reliable than the packages from distribution maintainers. Not to mention for atomic distros, flatpaks are the official way to install software.
Well, for Tor Browser even AUR isn’t recommended. Just download it from official website and put it under somewhere like
~/.local/opt.This seems like something that Flatpak should be able to handle though. Afaik Mullvad Browser never had this issue. Flatpaks also have numerous advantages, like automatically handling desktop shortcuts.
I’d like to add that you can setup desktop shortcuts pretty easily for Mullvad and TOR browser manual installs. For TOR browser simply run this after opening a terminal in the folder it was extracted to:
Same thing should work for mullvad.
Wow nice. Still not really friendly to beginners, since this is something they would have to dig into documentation to find, but it’s good to know
Yeah. I just found out about it by accident when I ran it with the
–helpflag.Normally there shouldn’t be a problem with packaging but Tor documentation recommends it like that to ensure security and authenticity. Even though it’s self-updating, they also recommend to delete and re-install it time to time, instead of just updating.
never knew that
There might not be problems with other packaging but the point here is to not trust anything other than the official sources for maximum privacy I believe.
Ohh okay I had to use a mirror to download it if that’s fine.
Mirrors are fine since the official website is not accessible on every country. They just suggest verifying the file signature.
Ohhh okay should’ve done that but prob later
Why don’t they bundle the browser itself in the Flatpak and update it via the default Flatpak update mechanism?
Tor “installed” via non-flatpak updates via the same manual mechanism, so it’s no worse than the non-flatpak. The flatpak is just the installer. Also, the point of tor is not to avoid fingerprinting, it’s to blend in. You are no more tracked by Reddit than you would be with up to date tor. A publicly traded company is not going to actively try to exploit your browser with a hack to fingerprint you extra via an exploit. You should never use tor for 1-1 you things comingled with anything you don’t want associated with you. That’s why there’s an easy to use new identity button. Tor is not magic, its on YOU to engage in best practices or not.
Fingerprinting and blending in are the same thing. You can’t blend in if you have a unique fingerprint. The Tor Project goes to great lengths to mitigate fingerprinting using their custom browser, it’s one of their main goals. It’s pointless to use Tor with a regular browser that doesn’t have those protections, because websites can just identify you by your fingerprint even when you are obfuscating your IP using Tor.
Browser version is a major part of your fingerprint. It’s in your user agent, but that can be faked so there are additional mechanisms that check what javascript features your browser supports to get a more reliable read of your browser version. Use coveryourtracks.eff.org to learn more.
And fingerprinting is not a hack or exploit. It’s something that websites use for tracking, just like cookies. And I’m almost certain that Reddit fingerprints users to detect ban evasions.
The only way of getting Tor browser is through Tor project website
torproject.org
Dont go download anything from anywhere else, dont matter if its flatpak snap, deb, whatever
The only thing they offer is bare source?
I like they’ve just given up on trying to understand things like filesystem layouts and fucking systemd - which is cool - but now they own dependency hell and inconsistent installs in trade.
Nah. I’ll get a package where I can confirm the contents, check the sigs, reproduce the build and then deploy it with its dependencies in a reliable, verifiably-consistent process.
rhel.pkgs.org/…/tor-0.4.8.14-1.el9.x86_64.rpm.htm…
Sources, sigs, signed BoM. Wheeee!
I think it has some sort of binary already in the archive. There’s a “start-tor-browser.desktop” you just double click to launch the browser.
I get what you’re saying, but at the same time if every developer released software as pre-compiled binaries on their website, installing stuff on Linux would become such a PITA. (This is different from how Windows works because apps for Windows are distributed using installers like
xxx.msi, and Linux does not have a unified installation system across distros)i just use pacman, mean it has checksum tests after downloading since youre only really downloading the launcher
How do you even access Reddit from Tor? I always see the message saying that my attempt was blocked by “Network Security”.
switch to the old.reddit.com site (onion version tends to work more often), and if that doesn’t work, switch Tor circuits (the option is under Tor Browser menu bar, I have it pinned to the top-bar for convenience)
I tried old.reddit.com as well. I think it used to work but it no longer does.
Lately they’ve been rate-limiting more heavily but if I wait and refresh enough times, or change circuits enough times, it tends to work
I would never install Tor via the flatpak or whatever. Just download from the website, run ./start-tor-whatever.sh and in the browser, check for updates. It’s the official source.
It sounds like most other users install it that way too. Which surprises me, since I had thought the Linux community had started to move towards Flatpaks. But anybody who searched Flathub for Tor Browser, would have seen the flatpak with the Tor Project author listed as verified, and there would be no indication that this was in fact an unstable installation.
So the notification that is in the browser that directs you to update it wasn’t enough? Because that totally works with the flatpak version of tor, because all the flatpak version of tor does is download a copy of the browser to your home directory and run it. There’s a little notification dot on the hamburger menu of tor that directs you to the about page where you can download and update.
Because that’s what I’ve been doing.
Afaik the notification was suppressed, see the linked github issue in the post, or this one. I can guarantee the notification wasn’t there on my end or else I would have noticed it