Nothing, at all.
Some things you can’t do easily in Mint, like create snapshots automatically and boot into them when something breaks.
But it’s all Linux and freely available software under the hood, and the lines between configuration, customization and forking your distro are blurry.
ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 03 Nov 02:44
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ship of theseus
solidgrue@lemmy.world
on 02 Nov 23:30
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I mean…
Steam? Maybe? I dunno, I don’t game but the Steam kids seem to prefer Arch. I’m sure they have their reasons.
Steam and Lutris work well!
I can game on XFCE Mint just fine. I actually have an easier time of it than on a number of distros, thanks to the combination of flatpaks and the Ubuntu base.
But, I am not “the kids”.
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network
on 02 Nov 23:46
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I think “they prefer” Arch because a lot of them just bought a Steam Deck and that comes with Arch and it just works.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
on 02 Nov 23:49
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SteamOS is arch, so some of the derivatives are too.
Steam shouldn’t really care though.
myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website
on 03 Nov 00:27
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Reasons are usually just newest kernel/mesa/etc. Most of the time the difference is very small, and often inconsequential. However, every now and again there is a major development that might make it worth it (IE: The graphics pipeline that all but made dxvk-async obsolete)
confusedwiseman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Nov 23:42
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In my experience, not much, but I’m a marginally functional newbie. Mint manages things for you fairly nicely and has been the best, it just works with out messing with much/anything. (At least for my hardware)
I managed to get gnome working smoothly on mint and have been happy with it. I started and returned here since I last ditched windows as a native OS.
The only thing that has made me consider distro hopping from mint is AUR on arch and gnome, though I’ve been successful so far.
Part of trying the distros that are more advanced and give you more explicit control and configuration is the sense of accomplishment and it makes you figure out how and why things work the way they do. It holistically builds your velocity in your understanding of Linux. (Or gnu whatever that nuance is).
If your machine has enough resources it is super easy to host VMs of anything you want to try. You can try them all, and it won’t cost you anything but time!
If you feel like you need/want software from AUR you should check out Distrobox. It can run any distro on top of your installation using Docker under the hood, but it tightly integrates into your system so with little effort you can run AUR programs from your launcher as if they were natively installed on your Mint.
confusedwiseman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Nov 00:18
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Thanks, I’ll dig into that one sometime!
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 03 Nov 03:56
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My advice as well!
TootSweet@lemmy.world
on 02 Nov 23:49
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You can’t have your entire system configuration in a repository of plain text files, which has lots of advantages, but it’s not worth caring about unless you feel excited to get into it.
thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca
on 03 Nov 02:09
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Why not? Isn’t this the whole concept of Bash Script, Ansible, Terraform, etc…
I mean it can be as simple as a git repo that pulls down an install script then syncs your dot files. What am I missing?
If you’re referencing Nix, you can also have that on Mint.
Yeah, I’m talking about not just Nix, but NixOS. Nix (the package manager) can do a lot, but NixOS + disko + home-manager can literally be all of the configuration for your machine from drive partitioning through to dot files. Throw in nixos-anywhere and impermanence and you can have an insane amount of control over all of your computers.
Ansible, Terraform, Chef, etc. do have some overlap, but the main difference is that those tools iterate through the system modifying it piece by piece and NixOS is declarative.
If something fails in some of my bigger Ansible playbooks, it could mean 30 minutes of just running through all the steps again. I could probably break it into sections, but then I have to worry about making sure they all get run when things get updated. In my NixOS install, it’s way faster, I can roll back to a previous state, and troubleshooting is way easier in my opinion.
Ah alright. My point is OP is asking what can be done in other distros that can’t be done in Mint and your answer was have the entire configuration be in plain text. I completely agree that if you want that kind of reproducibility NixOS is the most refined, well established, and best way to handle this. However to answer OP I would say this is possible in Mint but just much more painful.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
on 03 Nov 00:07
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With NixOS you can upgrade your entire OS and if you don’t like it roll it back like nothing ever happened. You can also replicate your entire machine by copying your configs over to another computer, running the install, and then copying over any files you have in your home folder and you will have reproduced your desktop.
You can also very easily use a different version of a packaged app by adding an override in your config. This is useful if you want bleeding-edge features or if something is broken. Also every package is also a development environment, so you don’t have to worry about setting up a dev environment to hack on stuff.
Yeah that’s the exact issue I fixed yesterday: the Super (Windows) key is configured to open the whisper (start) menu and this overrides any of the other xfce keyboard shortcuts like moving windows around.
The fix was to go into Settings > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts and change the one that’s set by default to open the whisper menu (xfce4-popup-whiskermenu) to something else. I found some bug reports saying that the problem is that xfce doesn’t expect shortcuts that are “modifier only” (as in only the Super key), and once I changed that one then the shortcuts to move windows around suddenly started working.
No idea why distros ship with this configuration already broken, but hopefully this helps!
I had trouble using Flatseal to adjust permissions for Flatpak applications in Linux Mint. But that was a few months ago and may have been fixed. Other than that I never really had trouble with stuff being broken or unavailable in Mint.
I guess if you use very new hardware you might prefer a newer kernel than the one Mint uses. Or if you want the latest versions of packages, a rolling distro might suit you better. Or you might prefer a different filesystem. But if none of this bothers you, there’s no need to switch. Mint generally works well.
IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org
on 04 Nov 04:55
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I’ve never had an issue with Flatseal in mint. Out of curiosity, what was your issue?
Honestly I can’t remember the details. It was a few months ago and it may have been just a temporary thing or a quirk of my installation. I think it had to do with some component relating to DBus not being present that I couldn’t figure out how to fix.
ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social
on 03 Nov 06:04
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Use Pacman as your package manager, or something. Linux is Linux. If you use a mainstream distro it should be 90% similar to all other distros. You don’t really have to worry about FOMO when it comes to Linux.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world
on 03 Nov 06:30
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Everybody giving a version of this answer makes me feel better about maybe switching to Linux.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org
on 03 Nov 07:10
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Natively install RPM packages? Really, there’s not much. Find a setup that you like.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
on 03 Nov 07:11
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Serious answer? XFCE doesn’t support multiple monitors with different refresh rates. So that.
Some of the other answers (like Meta (aka Windows Key) not working for shortcuts) can be hacked around, but unless you switch to a DE that supports Wayland, you will never have stable multi refresh rate differences on multiple monitors.
thingsiplay@beehaw.org
on 03 Nov 12:28
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Serious answer? XFCE doesn’t support multiple monitors with different refresh rates. So that.
That’s more of a limiation because of X11. KDE and Gnome do not support different refreshrates on multiple monitors as far as I know. Its the main reason why I never used multiple monitors. But on Wayland, this issue is solved. So if XFCE is ported to Wayland, they should also get this support for free I guess.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 03 Nov 15:40
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I’m not a fan of the xfce UX at all, and multi-monitor support still has a lot of issues (under Debian 12), but I am pretty sure having different refresh rates is possible
XFCE doesn’t support multiple monitors with different refresh rates.
I have an LG TV and an old Asus monitor, i’d wager their refresh rates differ but i can’t confirm atm.
horse_tranquilizers@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Nov 07:47
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Nerd stuff
Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 Nov 09:04
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If you are speaking about stock Linux mint Xfce, with the default kernal, mesa version etc., your support for very new hardware - Arrow lake, battlemage and RDNA 4 will be imperfect. In general, very new hardware (launched within the last 6 months) will not be supported properly because the lts kernel being used was written before these products were launched
The ultra 7 is actually a good all rounder. Decent performance (well balanced between gaming and production workloads), good efficiency and good pricing with respect to the AMD options. AMD is of course better for pure productivity (9950x), pure gaming (7800x3d and the upcoming 9800x3d) and is better at the low end (7600, 7600x)
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 03 Nov 09:44
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Running alternatives to Systemd.
downhomechunk@midwest.social
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Nonbinary_Sahrah@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Nov 09:49
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Acces to the AUR I guess?
But not much really.
If you like what you have just stick with it
Nonbinary_Sahrah@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Nov 09:49
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Also I use Arch btw
thingsiplay@beehaw.org
on 03 Nov 12:25
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Technically he or she has access to the AUR, but through website.^^ On a more serious note, one could install github.com/89luca89/distrobox and manager multiple package managers. Because each package manager is in a container, they do not interfere. I never used it, but imagine it like Flatpak, but actually using the package manager from the distribution (including access to AUR). And specific applications and programs can be “exported” to install them like a normal application, so you can access it with a single appname.
One could compile pacman and all the build tools if they really wanted to.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Nov 16:43
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waydroid (if you don’t install a wayland based de)
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
on 04 Nov 04:38
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File-by-file integrity check against signed checksums upstream to trivially confirm validity of deployment.
But that’s probably not interesting.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world
on 04 Nov 07:50
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Compared to Arch(-based): Accesing the latest packages. It’s not impossible, especially if you go for Debian testing repos, but it’s definitely extra work.
Compared to special-purpose distros (i.e. gaming, portable, high security/privacy, pen-testing): Whatever their special purpose is will usually be harder to achieve.
Compared to huge corpo distros (SUSE/Fedora and derivatives): Ease of more intricate setups and maybe some security testing.
Compared to Ubuntu: Paying a corporation to not withhold security patches from you.
Technically speaking: nothing really, provided you have time and skills.
Except maybe not having access to NDA-ed binary blobs or something…
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Nov 16:47
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If you are using Gnome distros: you can feel exactly what it feels like getting back to working in a restricted, overhyped, overbranded environment like Windows.
If you are using Ubuntu: you can get advertising during your system’s software upgrades. No, really.
If you are using Arch: you can post aroudn the internet saying you use Arch btw.
Depending on the distro, you can use some alternative software stacks, but that’s mostly the backend (eg.: systemd versus openRC, Apache vs Nginx, X vs Wayland); most “desktop app” level is mostly the same for each desktop environment, is kinda the point.
Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
on 06 Nov 19:25
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You can’t easilyy switch between different inages like on an atomic fedora system.
Do you have to switch now? No.
Hopefully we get an official XFCE Atomic desktop someday.
You can create a ublue version in a few hours if you’re down to it. Creating an inage isn’t that difficult 👍🏼
Nothing, at all.
Some things you can’t do easily in Mint, like create snapshots automatically and boot into them when something breaks.
But it’s all Linux and freely available software under the hood, and the lines between configuration, customization and forking your distro are blurry.
ship of theseus
I mean…
Steam? Maybe? I dunno, I don’t game but the Steam kids seem to prefer Arch. I’m sure they have their reasons.
Practically? Probably nothing terribly significant.
I’m a complete noob in the games department. Btw, I see that you don’t use Arch.
Man, I got stuff to do. Lol.
Steam and Lutris work well! I can game on XFCE Mint just fine. I actually have an easier time of it than on a number of distros, thanks to the combination of flatpaks and the Ubuntu base. But, I am not “the kids”.
I think “they prefer” Arch because a lot of them just bought a Steam Deck and that comes with Arch and it just works.
SteamOS is arch, so some of the derivatives are too.
Steam shouldn’t really care though.
Reasons are usually just newest kernel/mesa/etc. Most of the time the difference is very small, and often inconsequential. However, every now and again there is a major development that might make it worth it (IE: The graphics pipeline that all but made dxvk-async obsolete)
In my experience, not much, but I’m a marginally functional newbie. Mint manages things for you fairly nicely and has been the best, it just works with out messing with much/anything. (At least for my hardware)
I managed to get gnome working smoothly on mint and have been happy with it. I started and returned here since I last ditched windows as a native OS.
The only thing that has made me consider distro hopping from mint is AUR on arch and gnome, though I’ve been successful so far.
Part of trying the distros that are more advanced and give you more explicit control and configuration is the sense of accomplishment and it makes you figure out how and why things work the way they do. It holistically builds your velocity in your understanding of Linux. (Or gnu whatever that nuance is).
If your machine has enough resources it is super easy to host VMs of anything you want to try. You can try them all, and it won’t cost you anything but time!
If you feel like you need/want software from AUR you should check out Distrobox. It can run any distro on top of your installation using Docker under the hood, but it tightly integrates into your system so with little effort you can run AUR programs from your launcher as if they were natively installed on your Mint.
Thanks, I’ll dig into that one sometime!
My advice as well!
Brag about being an Arch user (BTW.)
You can’t have your entire system configuration in a repository of plain text files, which has lots of advantages, but it’s not worth caring about unless you feel excited to get into it.
Found the other NixOS user. ;)
Why not? Isn’t this the whole concept of Bash Script, Ansible, Terraform, etc… I mean it can be as simple as a git repo that pulls down an install script then syncs your dot files. What am I missing? If you’re referencing Nix, you can also have that on Mint.
Yeah, I’m talking about not just Nix, but NixOS. Nix (the package manager) can do a lot, but NixOS + disko + home-manager can literally be all of the configuration for your machine from drive partitioning through to dot files. Throw in nixos-anywhere and impermanence and you can have an insane amount of control over all of your computers.
Ansible, Terraform, Chef, etc. do have some overlap, but the main difference is that those tools iterate through the system modifying it piece by piece and NixOS is declarative.
If something fails in some of my bigger Ansible playbooks, it could mean 30 minutes of just running through all the steps again. I could probably break it into sections, but then I have to worry about making sure they all get run when things get updated. In my NixOS install, it’s way faster, I can roll back to a previous state, and troubleshooting is way easier in my opinion.
Ah alright. My point is OP is asking what can be done in other distros that can’t be done in Mint and your answer was have the entire configuration be in plain text. I completely agree that if you want that kind of reproducibility NixOS is the most refined, well established, and best way to handle this. However to answer OP I would say this is possible in Mint but just much more painful.
Nothing, it’s all Linux
With NixOS you can upgrade your entire OS and if you don’t like it roll it back like nothing ever happened. You can also replicate your entire machine by copying your configs over to another computer, running the install, and then copying over any files you have in your home folder and you will have reproduced your desktop.
You can also very easily use a different version of a packaged app by adding an override in your config. This is useful if you want bleeding-edge features or if something is broken. Also every package is also a development environment, so you don’t have to worry about setting up a dev environment to hack on stuff.
Similar can be said of Guix
Xfce? All keyboard shortcuts involved the Meta key won’t work.
Which keyboard shortcuts do you mean specifically? I think I fixed this exact issue earlier today!
Meta+arrows key to shift windows around
Or is the key call Super? I know for sure it’s the “Windows” key.
They work just fine.
The only thing that does not work is just binding meta only akin to win key to open the start menu for example.
Yeah that’s the exact issue I fixed yesterday: the Super (Windows) key is configured to open the whisper (start) menu and this overrides any of the other xfce keyboard shortcuts like moving windows around.
The fix was to go into Settings > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts and change the one that’s set by default to open the whisper menu (
xfce4-popup-whiskermenu) to something else. I found some bug reports saying that the problem is that xfce doesn’t expect shortcuts that are “modifier only” (as in only the Super key), and once I changed that one then the shortcuts to move windows around suddenly started working.No idea why distros ship with this configuration already broken, but hopefully this helps!
I love xfce. But ive tried gnome w tiling shell extension and wow. But i still miss xfce , once they come over to Wayland i think I will go back 🤷
Y-you’re not supposed to ask that!
Not sure what you mean by this?
Waste time configuring things and troubleshooting things when your ultra custom system breaks.
I had trouble using Flatseal to adjust permissions for Flatpak applications in Linux Mint. But that was a few months ago and may have been fixed. Other than that I never really had trouble with stuff being broken or unavailable in Mint.
I guess if you use very new hardware you might prefer a newer kernel than the one Mint uses. Or if you want the latest versions of packages, a rolling distro might suit you better. Or you might prefer a different filesystem. But if none of this bothers you, there’s no need to switch. Mint generally works well.
I’ve never had an issue with Flatseal in mint. Out of curiosity, what was your issue?
Honestly I can’t remember the details. It was a few months ago and it may have been just a temporary thing or a quirk of my installation. I think it had to do with some component relating to DBus not being present that I couldn’t figure out how to fix.
Use Pacman as your package manager, or something. Linux is Linux. If you use a mainstream distro it should be 90% similar to all other distros. You don’t really have to worry about FOMO when it comes to Linux.
Everybody giving a version of this answer makes me feel better about maybe switching to Linux.
Natively install RPM packages? Really, there’s not much. Find a setup that you like.
Serious answer? XFCE doesn’t support multiple monitors with different refresh rates. So that.
Some of the other answers (like Meta (aka Windows Key) not working for shortcuts) can be hacked around, but unless you switch to a DE that supports Wayland, you will never have stable multi refresh rate differences on multiple monitors.
That’s more of a limiation because of X11. KDE and Gnome do not support different refreshrates on multiple monitors as far as I know. Its the main reason why I never used multiple monitors. But on Wayland, this issue is solved. So if XFCE is ported to Wayland, they should also get this support for free I guess.
xrandr does.
Btw, how do you do that in wayland?
You don’t have to do anything to use multiple monitors with different refresh rates in Wayland, besides plugging them in.
But i want specific refresh rates.
What does that even mean?
20 fps on my notebook, saves power.
I’m not a fan of the xfce UX at all, and multi-monitor support still has a lot of issues (under Debian 12), but I am pretty sure having different refresh rates is possible
Maybe I’m missing something but I am running xfce4 and have per-monitor refresh rate setting.
I have an LG TV and an old Asus monitor, i’d wager their refresh rates differ but i can’t confirm atm.
Nerd stuff
If you are speaking about stock Linux mint Xfce, with the default kernal, mesa version etc., your support for very new hardware - Arrow lake, battlemage and RDNA 4 will be imperfect. In general, very new hardware (launched within the last 6 months) will not be supported properly because the lts kernel being used was written before these products were launched
Why would anyone curse themselves with that though?
The ultra 7 is actually a good all rounder. Decent performance (well balanced between gaming and production workloads), good efficiency and good pricing with respect to the AMD options. AMD is of course better for pure productivity (9950x), pure gaming (7800x3d and the upcoming 9800x3d) and is better at the low end (7600, 7600x)
Running alternatives to Systemd.
Slackware!
Gentoo!
Acces to the AUR I guess? But not much really. If you like what you have just stick with it
Also I use Arch btw
Technically he or she has access to the AUR, but through website.^^ On a more serious note, one could install github.com/89luca89/distrobox and manager multiple package managers. Because each package manager is in a container, they do not interfere. I never used it, but imagine it like Flatpak, but actually using the package manager from the distribution (including access to AUR). And specific applications and programs can be “exported” to install them like a normal application, so you can access it with a single appname.
One could compile pacman and all the build tools if they really wanted to.
waydroid (if you don’t install a wayland based de)
File-by-file integrity check against signed checksums upstream to trivially confirm validity of deployment.
But that’s probably not interesting.
Compared to Arch(-based): Accesing the latest packages. It’s not impossible, especially if you go for Debian testing repos, but it’s definitely extra work.
Compared to special-purpose distros (i.e. gaming, portable, high security/privacy, pen-testing): Whatever their special purpose is will usually be harder to achieve.
Compared to huge corpo distros (SUSE/Fedora and derivatives): Ease of more intricate setups and maybe some security testing.
Compared to Ubuntu: Paying a corporation to not withhold security patches from you.
Technically speaking: nothing really, provided you have time and skills.
Except maybe not having access to NDA-ed binary blobs or something…
If you are using Gnome distros: you can feel exactly what it feels like getting back to working in a restricted, overhyped, overbranded environment like Windows.
If you are using Ubuntu: you can get advertising during your system’s software upgrades. No, really.
If you are using Arch: you can post aroudn the internet saying you use Arch btw.
Depending on the distro, you can use some alternative software stacks, but that’s mostly the backend (eg.: systemd versus openRC, Apache vs Nginx, X vs Wayland); most “desktop app” level is mostly the same for each desktop environment, is kinda the point.
Nothing