bufalo1973@lemmy.ml
on 28 Aug 2024 06:08
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Donates or “donates”? As “all yours” or as in “it’s ours but you do the work”?
anamethatisnt@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 2024 06:08
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As in
“We’ve finished taking all we need from the Mono project and implemented it into our proprietary .NET implementation for Linux, Android and iOS. Instead of getting flack for killing off Mono (which is open source and would’ve been forked anyways) we graciously give this old husk to the Wine project. We recommend that active Mono users and maintainers of Mono-based app frameworks migrate to .NET. kthnxbye!”
Good thing that it went to Wine I guess, as they do lots of work to get old Windows programs up and running in Linux and that often involves Mono.
morrowind@lemmy.ml
on 28 Aug 2024 06:19
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.Net is open source bruh, it’s not proprietary
anamethatisnt@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 2024 06:27
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I stand corrected, .NET Core is open source and uses the MIT License.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 29 Aug 2024 02:32
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It is not “.NET Core” anymore though. Since version 5, it has just been “.NET”. The current version is 8 with previews of 9 available.
Oh what’s that? Some rational thought in my ramblings? Nah we can’t have that in this sublemmy champ
SatyrSack@lemmy.one
on 28 Aug 2024 08:52
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Good thing that it went to Wine I guess, as they do lots of work to get old Windows programs up and running in Linux and that often involves Mono.
I see this as the main purpose of this transfer of ownership. When it comes to developing new software, MS has their modern tech stack for creating cross-compatible code, and the recommendation is to use that. But that is not helpful when trying to get old legacy software running on a modern system. So MS is giving this “outdated” technology to the WINE team. A team whose primary goal is getting incompatible software to run in the “wrong” environment. This should allow WINE to continue to properly handle older Mono software for the foreseeable future.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 29 Aug 2024 02:30
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You are completely correct. The good news is that the “official” .NET is Open Source now and far better than the “Mono Project” ever was.
GammaGames@beehaw.org
on 28 Aug 2024 07:12
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as in “your fork is official now, we have our own compatability in .net and there’s no need to maintain it”
The recognition is nice, but there hadn’t been a major release in over 5 years. I’d guess the outcome is mostly paperwork
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 28 Aug 2024 06:27
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Okay, a suspicious thanks to you, Microsoft…
…So when can we get this treatment for WMR so all our VR headsets don’t become useless bricks kthaaaanks!
NateNate60@lemmy.world
on 28 Aug 2024 06:33
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What are the implications of this?
embed_me@programming.dev
on 28 Aug 2024 07:56
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Not much. There used to be this fear of Microsoft copyrighting Mono for reimplementing their stuff on Linux. For that reason, Mono was avoided by linux app developers. But since MS had acquired the company that made and developed Mono and they have also open-sourced .NET and everything, this does not mean much.
Yes, Mono is used by Wine to support Windows .NET applications since it’s a) open source and b) contains support for Windows Forms and other Windows-only APIs.
They can’t ship the regular .NET framework by default for licensing reasons but it can be installed with winetricks to replace Mono, which is sometimes necessary for compatibility reasons.
noxfriend@beehaw.org
on 29 Aug 2024 14:21
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Thanks!
0x0@programming.dev
on 28 Aug 2024 09:48
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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 28 Aug 2024 13:44
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This is a different community all together
melroy@kbin.melroy.org
on 28 Aug 2024 11:08
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What is happening?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 28 Aug 2024 16:53
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Microsoft donated mono to the wine project
melroy@kbin.melroy.org
on 28 Aug 2024 17:33
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Yea I know. But I still can't believe it.
Microsoft finally sees they can't code.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 29 Aug 2024 02:36
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No.
Microsoft maintains what is essentially the “real” version of Mono within their official .NET project. It is up to version 8.
The version of Mono represents by “The Mono Project” still targets .NET Framework ( stuck on version 4.x for years now ). Microsoft does not care about the real version, nevermind the Open Source replica.
What Microsoft is “donating” is pure legacy. It is a good fit for Wine though.
Charadon@lemmy.sdf.org
on 28 Aug 2024 13:17
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“”“donates”“”
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 28 Aug 2024 13:44
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Well that was unexpected
drwho@beehaw.org
on 28 Aug 2024 16:06
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Ew.
jaypatelani@lemmy.ml
on 28 Aug 2024 17:07
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They were already maintaining a fork of it though?
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 29 Aug 2024 02:28
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The “fork” is the real version of Mono and Microsoft is not giving it up.
The repository managed by “The Mono Project” still targets .NET Framework. Microsoft does not care about the official version of that. Why would they want to manage an Open Source replica of it.
In some ways though, this is good. Nobody should be seeing the Mono Project as a viable cross-platform development framework at this point. It is nothing more than a support layer for running legacy software that was originally Windows only. That makes it a good fit for Wine.
If you want what Mono used to be, a cross-platform application framework, you can just use the actual .NET from Microsoft. It includes the Mono runtime for targeting mobile platforms and Microsoft continues to actively develop it. They are not passing control of that to anybody.
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Donates or “donates”? As “all yours” or as in “it’s ours but you do the work”?
As in
“We’ve finished taking all we need from the Mono project and implemented it into our
proprietary.NET implementation for Linux, Android and iOS. Instead of getting flack for killing off Mono (which is open source and would’ve been forked anyways) we graciously give this old husk to the Wine project. We recommend that active Mono users and maintainers of Mono-based app frameworks migrate to .NET. kthnxbye!”Good thing that it went to Wine I guess, as they do lots of work to get old Windows programs up and running in Linux and that often involves Mono.
.Net is open source bruh, it’s not proprietary
I stand corrected, .NET Core is open source and uses the MIT License.
It is not “.NET Core” anymore though. Since version 5, it has just been “.NET”. The current version is 8 with previews of 9 available.
It’s MIT and actually a fork of Mono. Reading the article helps.
github.com/dotnet/core
github.com/dotnet/runtime
Oh what’s that? Some rational thought in my ramblings? Nah we can’t have that in this sublemmy champ
I see this as the main purpose of this transfer of ownership. When it comes to developing new software, MS has their modern tech stack for creating cross-compatible code, and the recommendation is to use that. But that is not helpful when trying to get old legacy software running on a modern system. So MS is giving this “outdated” technology to the WINE team. A team whose primary goal is getting incompatible software to run in the “wrong” environment. This should allow WINE to continue to properly handle older Mono software for the foreseeable future.
You are completely correct. The good news is that the “official” .NET is Open Source now and far better than the “Mono Project” ever was.
as in “your fork is official now, we have our own compatability in .net and there’s no need to maintain it”
The recognition is nice, but there hadn’t been a major release in over 5 years. I’d guess the outcome is mostly paperwork
Okay, a suspicious thanks to you, Microsoft…
…So when can we get this treatment for WMR so all our VR headsets don’t become useless bricks kthaaaanks!
What are the implications of this?
Not much. There used to be this fear of Microsoft copyrighting Mono for reimplementing their stuff on Linux. For that reason, Mono was avoided by linux app developers. But since MS had acquired the company that made and developed Mono and they have also open-sourced .NET and everything, this does not mean much.
“You don’t like it? Fine then, we buy it and force it on you!”
Classic Microshit.
And that’s how you know it’s worthless
Does Mono have any purpose any longer? What is the point now that dotnet core is so well-established?
Yes, Mono is used by Wine to support Windows .NET applications since it’s a) open source and b) contains support for Windows Forms and other Windows-only APIs.
They can’t ship the regular .NET framework by default for licensing reasons but it can be installed with winetricks to replace Mono, which is sometimes necessary for compatibility reasons.
Thanks!
Repost of programming.dev/post/18652552
It’s not a repost if it’s in a different community
What’s the difference? Thanks for sharing the repost. It let’s us see the comments in both communities
Technicalities… it has been cross-posted, i hadn’t noticed it.
However…
This is a different community all together
What is happening?
Microsoft donated mono to the wine project
Yea I know. But I still can't believe it.
Microsoft finally sees they can't code.
No.
Microsoft maintains what is essentially the “real” version of Mono within their official .NET project. It is up to version 8.
The version of Mono represents by “The Mono Project” still targets .NET Framework ( stuck on version 4.x for years now ). Microsoft does not care about the real version, nevermind the Open Source replica.
What Microsoft is “donating” is pure legacy. It is a good fit for Wine though.
“”“donates”“”
Well that was unexpected
Ew.
Technical debt is transferred to Wine team.
They were already maintaining a fork of it though?
The “fork” is the real version of Mono and Microsoft is not giving it up.
The repository managed by “The Mono Project” still targets .NET Framework. Microsoft does not care about the official version of that. Why would they want to manage an Open Source replica of it.
In some ways though, this is good. Nobody should be seeing the Mono Project as a viable cross-platform development framework at this point. It is nothing more than a support layer for running legacy software that was originally Windows only. That makes it a good fit for Wine.
If you want what Mono used to be, a cross-platform application framework, you can just use the actual .NET from Microsoft. It includes the Mono runtime for targeting mobile platforms and Microsoft continues to actively develop it. They are not passing control of that to anybody.