CentOS Stream for a private KDE Desktop?
from Pantherina@feddit.de to linux@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2023 23:52
https://feddit.de/post/6444636

I currently use Fedora Kinoite and until Plasma 6 some major bugs will simply not be fixed. “Solved in Plasma 6” is a very common phrase now and that is okay.

But maybe once that is settled, I would like to have a system with tested packages, that doesnt always break and annoy me…

I love to see new features and especially KDE is simply best on modern Distros, currently. But with Nix and Flathub I think CentOS Stream should be a good mix?

I like the security settings it has, but I never used it. How good is EPEL, do external repos for things like Brave work? How old are packages, do you know when Plasma 6 will arrive there?

#linux

robotdna@toast.ooo on 07 Dec 2023 00:10 next collapse

I’m required to use CentOS for work and it would be an understatement to say how frustrating it is to use for me. So many packages are missing / old, and some packages just break. There have also been wild bugs which just kernel panic the whole OS. I’d steer clear.

If you’re on Kinoite, can’t you just enable Plasma 6 if you really need it?

tim.siosm.fr/blog/2023/11/22/kinoite-plasma-6/

Otherwise:

community.kde.org/Plasma/Plasma_6#How_to_use/test…

Pantherina@feddit.de on 07 Dec 2023 05:56 next collapse

Yes I may do that but its mainly even more unstable. Question was if stable Distros get Plasma 6 in a reasonable amount of Time.

Thanks for your experience

anothermember@beehaw.org on 07 Dec 2023 12:21 collapse

Keep in mind stability in terms of Enterprise Linux refers to feature stability (i.e. a static set of features), not necessarily reliability. So if you want anything quickly, it’s really the opposite place to look.

EPEL is officially part of the Fedora project, so I would be surprised if anything makes it there before mainline Fedora (unless any one knows any better).

I’ve not had much positive experience when I’ve tried KDE with RHEL/CentOS. I find the more you rely on EPEL the less of an advantage there is to using EL, and if you’re planning on using EL as a base for running Flatpak apps you’re probably better off with Silverblue/Kinoite which you already use.

Pantherina@feddit.de on 07 Dec 2023 15:41 collapse

Thanks!

aksdb@feddit.de on 07 Dec 2023 22:46 next collapse

You should consider using distrobox and/or apx, so you can effectively run any software from any package manager from any distro.

You could have a bottled archlinux where you install and run cutting edge stuff.

GnomeComedy@beehaw.org on 11 Dec 2023 12:41 collapse

Can you point out the wild bugs that kernel panic the OS? I’m an admin for a large number of RHEL machines and our team has talked about switching to Stream. Would love to know more about these bugs.

robotdna@toast.ooo on 11 Dec 2023 19:56 collapse

I can’t give too much specifics due to IP and company infosec but was having issues with network drives

ardent_abysm@lemm.ee on 07 Dec 2023 01:03 next collapse

OpenSuse Leap might be closer to what you are looking for.

pastermil@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2023 04:06 collapse

I love OpenSUSE Leap KDE! Been using it on my living room.

But the question still stand: Any RHEL-based with first-class KDE support?

Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show on 07 Dec 2023 07:05 collapse

I actually thing that Fedora is your best bet here. Especially if you really need Red Hat based.

pastermil@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2023 10:29 collapse

I personally (and professionally) use Debian/Ubuntu based most of the time. I’ve tried Fedora several times over the last few years, but it just never sit right with me, especially the package manager and how much it sticks to GNOME stuff, even with its KDE spin.

I’ve been trying to get into RHEL based out of curiosity.

Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show on 07 Dec 2023 10:35 collapse

Isn’t the package manager the same on CentOS/RHEL and Fedora? I mean, they are all rpm based distributions. OpenSUSE is also rpm based btw.

pastermil@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2023 12:48 collapse

That is true, RHEL and Fedora both uses dnf. This is probably why I’m having a hard time getting into RHEL.

Meanwhile, OpenSUSE uses zypper which is different from dnf. In fact some .rpm packages are incompatible between the two.

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Guenther_Amanita@feddit.de on 07 Dec 2023 10:56 next collapse

I wouldn’t use CentOS for private/ desktop stuff personally.

Do you really need its features? Afaik, the “security” features you mentioned are mainly for server use. At least that’s what I have in my mind right now when I researched possible candidates for my home server some time ago.

I think sticking with a “home use” distro would suit you better.


There are a few options as suggestions:

1. Stay on Kinoite

There’s barely any configuration drift compared to the mutable Fedora. Therefore, it should be less buggy.

Fedora Atomic KDE gave me the best Plasma experience yet. I often tested KDE (I’m a Gnome guy myself, but here and there hop to KDE for a few months) and on most installs on other distros like Suse/ Workstation/ Debian, it got more and more buggy after a few weeks due to updates and tweaks.
So, bugfixes often didn’t apply to my system, only the default one or the install from the devs.

I find Fedora’s release schedule to be the perfect sweetspot between reliable, stable and up to date.

If you’re really impatient, you can always switch to the nightly builds (on Atomic), which are more bug prone and rolling. Maybe, Plasma will be stable enough before it hits the official image. But you should keep at least one stable image in your bootloader.

2. Debian and Leap

Debian “just” got it’s new release and will be stale for the next years. BUT, many of those Plasma 6 bug fixes will be backported to 5.27. Still, many of the QOL-changes are 6-exclusive.

OpenSuse Leap also gives you a great KDE experience and is pretty similar to Debian, both in release schedule and when the last big update hit.

3. Distrobox

You can use an Arch/ Tumbleweed container on Debian/ slow release distro to get all the newest KDE stuff on the outside and keep your stable base beneath.

Why? Because, in my experience, Plasma only gets more refined each update. As long as there aren’t any new big features, there are about hundred bugs resolved weekly.

Or, you can do the opposite. Use something newer, like TW, Slowroll, Sid(uction) or Arch, to get the newest software under the hood, and use the Debian repo to get a stable DE.

Just what you prefer.

In your case, I’d settle with Fedora (mutable or Atomic, in your case the Kinoite version, as I’d prefer that one too), and just don’t upgrade to the newest version.
The older version is always supported for a year or two, and you don’t have to upgrade each release. The bug fixes always get backported if possible.

Pantherina@feddit.de on 07 Dec 2023 20:29 collapse

Thanks! Yes its a shame that Debian (and Leap?) Will not have Plasma6 in like 6 months where stable release would fit perfectly.

My experience is the same, on Manjaro Plasma was way better than on Kubuntu and Manjaro convinced me of Plasma. Fedora is a sweet spot and staying with F39 for a while (even though I will probably switch to F40 right away as Plasma6 has sooo many bug fixes I personally reported) could work.

You mean a rootful Distrobox with a DE in it? I have to try that out, sounds crazy. Would need a seperate home if that is possible, as I dont want to have messed up dotfiles.

darkfiremp3@beehaw.org on 10 Dec 2023 04:50 collapse

I would avoid centos stream like the plague. It seems a half supported thing that most of the industry has left.