Canvas 2024 Simplex Chat room (simplex.chat)
from possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip to linux@lemmy.ml on 11 Jul 2024 17:38
https://lemmy.zip/post/18932618

This is for real time communication as Lemmy has a delay before comments show up from other instances

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avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 11 Jul 2024 18:49 next collapse

Herpes. 🦠

Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jul 2024 21:27 next collapse

Out of curiosity, what made you choose Simplex over Matrix?

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 11 Jul 2024 21:52 next collapse

Easier to stay anonymous

umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml on 12 Jul 2024 00:51 next collapse

No registration nor email needed

Para_lyzed@lemmy.world on 13 Jul 2024 06:36 collapse

Matrix leaks tons of metadata, and its encryption lacks perfect forward secrecy. Additionally, it requires an email to sign up, and there are accounts with unique identifiers.

Simplex does not have any accounts or identifiers, everything is stored entirely locally. Additionally, it is based on the double ratchet Signal protocol, with improvements made for post-quantum encryption. It does not require anything to sign up, as there are no accounts. Metadata is not leaked as it is with Matrix, as everything is encrypted or obscured. Messages are padded to 16KB, the sender/receiver is not attached to the message, and there are fake messages being sent to obscure the identity and frequency of contact of those you are talking to even under monitoring of your network. Additionally, for anonymity, SimpleX is allowing for repudiation so that you cannot prove that a specific person sent specific messages, allowing doubt if messages were to be use in a court case, for instance. It is the trend (especially from a security perspective) to implement nonrepudiation, but the SimpleX team decided to remove it to protect users (after years of it being present in SimpleX chat). This is a protection intended for journalists, but it extends to many other cases as well.

Matrix is a nice toy, but SimpleX chat is built for anonymity above all else, and it does that job far better than Matrix ever has or will.

Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works on 10 Aug 01:14 collapse

Imo, tbf, Matrix is really more of a replacement for Discord than a direct competitor to something like Signal.

ryannathans@aussie.zone on 11 Jul 2024 23:15 next collapse

Delay is at a week between my instance and lemmy world now

astro_ray@lemdro.id on 11 Jul 2024 23:40 next collapse

What about XMPP or IRC?

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 12 Jul 2024 06:22 next collapse

IRC is plaintext communication.

astro_ray@lemdro.id on 12 Jul 2024 07:21 collapse

I understand that perfectly, that’s precisely why I also listed XMPP. Also, IRC suits the need many people till this day.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 13 Jul 2024 00:04 collapse

Not anonymous

DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml on 12 Jul 2024 06:22 next collapse

What about Matrix?

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 13 Jul 2024 00:02 collapse

Not anonymous

toastal@lemmy.ml on 14 Jul 2024 11:42 collapse

Not good initial experience: starts with the colonial UK flag which is not a symbol for languages, site doesn’t quite work without JS so no menu access (popover works without JS), puts proprietary services Microsoft GitHub & Reddit in priority position, using VC funding leads to hesitation, no mention in the FAQs or otherwise how to contribute to the code (not for general users sure, but missing entirely).

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 14 Jul 2024 15:50 collapse

I appreciate the effort but yes I do think it has issues