1stTime4MeInMCU@mander.xyz
on 04 Aug 2023 02:05
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Wonder how much Steam deck is carrying the team
maddruid@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 02:21
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Even for those not on Steam Deck, they’re able to play more games on other distros because of all the work they did to get games working on Steam Deck, so you could technically say close to 100% IMHO.
msinfo32@lemmy.msinfo32.uk
on 04 Aug 2023 10:57
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I think these statistics are based on people browsing the web, which most steam deck users probably don’t do on the steam deck. This is likely desktop users.
SoftScotch@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 02:16
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I wonder why Windows share dips while “unknown” surges. It seems to reverse afterwards.
OverfedRaccoon@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 02:18
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I read in another post a while ago that there was some issue with a Windows update that caused it not to register as Windows. It was then corrected in a subsequent update. So the Unknown bump is just Windows.
From what I read its ~ 5% for this to happen and companies taking Linux seriously.
bazmatazable@reddthat.com
on 04 Aug 2023 11:24
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Please share that article! 5% feels like just around the corner!
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 12:58
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I hope that applies to games as well. It really does feel super close!
ultimate_question@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 13:08
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This doesn’t make much sense because different companies / services will have vastly different development costs associated with Linux compatibility and there wouldn’t be just one global threshold for profitability for everyone
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:52
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It’s a rough benchmark, not a “if we hit 5%, we immediately get all the software.”
For example, I doubt we’d get Apple porting Safari to Linux regardless of marketshare, but we’d probably get a ton more games with native support if it just meant testing and minor fixes to the Linux-compatible Vulkan build.
So don’t expect Adobe to suddenly port everything over, but expect a lot better compatibility as we get around 5% marketshare.
kameecoding@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 11:16
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they should just use Vulkan in the first placr because that runs on both windows and Linux
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 2023 12:47
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Sure, but that doesn’t eliminate dev or testing costs, it just reduces them.
Seems to be truly be gaining momentum and solidifying its status though. Linux 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, even 5 years ago is not even comparable its current state.
Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 02:35
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Lol its in last place behind an ad based mobile os that just came out #Progress
SimplePhysics@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 15:19
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ChromeOS has been out for over a decade. Its not “new”, many schools actually used it before the pandemic.
Anarch157a@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 02:42
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To dislodge an incumbent, a product needs to have an enormous advantage, a killer feature that makes the hassle of changing worth it. Up until now, Linux didn’t have it. Well, it did, but Windows had it too, but Microsoft dropped it: lack of ads baked on the OS.
Now that Windows is turning into yet another Ad delivery system, people are looking for an escape. Many are going to Macs, some are coming to Linux.
The biggest reason Windows is the leader by far is because of the Office suite. There’s no good alternative that has anywhere near the features or fluidity and doesn’t feel like it was designed in 2005.
Online Office has definitely gotten better. At this point I think the big missing features are macros (which will never come) and Power Query/Pivot and the Data Model.
And this is through summer and universities break. Its fair to expect a higher increase through the last Quarter of the year and probably surpassing ChromeOS with 3.24%
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 02:47
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Currently running Windows 10, but refuse to upgrade to Windows 11. Next rebuild will hopefully be Linux-based, and am getting my head around it slowly through my Steam Deck. It has immensely improved since my uni days in the early 2000s.
Gnome 45 and Plasma 6 are coming by the end of the year. Add that Wine/Proton further development to bring in even more games. It’ll all increase Linux user experience even further to what Windows is offering right now.
I do wonder how steams mau looks throughout the year.
rosa666parks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Aug 2023 02:36
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I switched to Linux a week ago, I’m part of that statistic
ivanafterall@kbin.social
on 04 Aug 2023 02:44
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I haven't fully switched, yet, because I don't want to be just another statistic.
NightAuthor@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 03:25
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You’re just part of the other side of the statistic.
windlas@lemmy.ca
on 04 Aug 2023 11:12
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Welcome! One of us, one of us, one of us!
bazmatazable@reddthat.com
on 04 Aug 2023 11:28
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Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble!
MrShelbs@lemmy.ca
on 04 Aug 2023 12:32
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I came back to Linux about a month ago. I was nervous at first that my stuff wouldn’t work, it required a bit of tweaking to get everything how I want it, but I’m happy to be here :)
I use Arch btw
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 13:59
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I think we’re at a unique point where windows has pissed off people to no end by continuing to ruin their operating system, and Linux has reached a very mature point. Everyone I know that uses windows hates it now, more than ever, and are finally at the tipping point.
JoelJ@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 04:25
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I would like to see a breakdown of useage by region. For example I found stats that said India’s share of linux users rose from 9% in May to 15% in July. That’s quite a sharp increase in only 2 months! With a population of over 1 billion people, I’m betting this rise would have a significant increase in global stats, so I wonder what is behind it…
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 13:09
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India is introducing a Data Protection Bill (based on the GDPR, but with controversial exemptions for the government itself), so companies could be restructuring their IT systems. As to why India is high in general, our government has had a policy of encouraging free software for quite some time. Most schools and many government offices use either Ubuntu or BOSS (Debian with improved support for Indian languages).
fulano@lemmy.eco.br
on 04 Aug 2023 13:30
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That’s amazing.
Here in Brazil, we had the government encouraging free software in the 2000s, but the projects and policies were all abandoned.
And to think we could have a similar adoption to yours today… sigh…
Back then, people didn’t understand how such projects give benefits in a long timeframe, and wanted immediate results, something impossible.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 14:03
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To be fair, I think the main reasons they support FOSS are (a) saving on licence fees and (b) not being dependent on a foreign company, which can be forced to stop supporting our infrastructure if we piss off the US / China.
Oh that’s interesting, exposing kids to it is a great idea because then they won’t have the whole barrier of the ‘fear of the unknown’ when considering installing it on their own PC. Thanks for sharing!
worfamerryman@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 04:26
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Microsoft office on Linux soon, I hope.
I know there are alternatives but my files do not work with them. I use it professionally and truly need Microsoft office… sadly.
MJBrune@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 04:56
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Have you tried free office? It’s really good. If be surprised if your files didn’t work in it but if they don’t I guess your waiting for office for Linux or perhaps trying office 365.
muhyb@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 2023 10:28
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I don’t think they would do that because a lot of governmental institutions could easily switch to Linux.
worfamerryman@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 12:31
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I did not consider that. I am surprised that any government even allows Windows to be used.
crisisingot@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 13:33
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They use an enterprise or custom government version which has a lot of the tracking and annoying crap disabled
worfamerryman@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 13:56
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That and why give away their market share? They have people in a stranglehold because of their incopatibilities with other office clients. Just like they did with Internet Explorer.
Damn Microsoft and their proprietary things they add to office documents…
1984@lemmy.today
on 04 Aug 2023 04:43
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I got my kid over to Pop OS yesterday. It was so amusing because he has been running Windows all this time and when I use his computer, I get frustrated since it’s so slow and laggy and freezes up etc.
He always tells me “stop being so fast, you have to wait for the computer!”.
We installed PopOS and he was literally amazed how fast it was. He saw that I could open programs and interact with them with no lag and no issues whatsoever. His comment was “I didn’t know it could be like this”.
Exactly.
CoupleOfConcerns@lemmy.nz
on 04 Aug 2023 06:02
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Speaking for myself, but I suspect this applies to a lot of people, the factors that are enabling me to run Linux as my personal computer are:
The browser experience is now on par with other operating systems. For many people, almost everything they do on their computer is through the browser so this is important.
Games now work. Every game I’ve wanted to play has worked on Linux.
If I want to do word processing or spreadsheeting and I absolutely need the formatting to be correct or want to use the more advanced aspects of Excel, I now have a work device to do those things. This wasn’t the case a few years ago, when most people worked on a company desktop machine at work.
Putting that together and subtracting all the annoyances of Windows - nagging notifications, updates that take forever, Windows trying to make my default browser Edge, the greater threat of viruses - why wouldn’t I be on Linux? Why wouldn’t a lot of people be on Linux?
beta_tester@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 06:42
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As a latex user, reading “… and I absolutely need the formatting to be correct …” and using word is a joke
Latex is what made switching to linux possible for me during college. I had multiple lab classes that required their own very specific formatting. One of them required latex, and I was the only person who ended up learning latex in my lab group. Between that semester and the next one, I installed linux and used latex exclusively for all my reports, and I can certainly say that my papers actually looked good. I spent no time on formatting after the first lab report when I made my template.
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 19:42
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As someone who wishes he could use CSS for full-blown typesetting, do I need to get off your lawn?
IndiBrony@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 08:36
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Why wouldn’t a lot of people be on Linux?
Because dumb people like me are too scared to leave what we know and have always heard that you need to actually know a thing or two instead of just relying on modern user-“friendly” systems to do it all for you.
Acid@startrek.website
on 04 Aug 2023 09:01
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Well there’s the fact that it’s somewhat true as for example if you use a chromium based browser on Linux hardware acceleration isn’t enabled by default and borderline doesn’t work a lot of the time.
Doesn’t sound so bad till you realise what it does to battery life on a laptop.
I love Linux and we are so close but it’s small things like that, which prevent me getting friends and family to use it consistently.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 12:40
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That’s not really true nowadays. Linux Mint is easier to learn than Windows. Unless you want to play certain games, in which case you might have to tinker with Wine and Lutris.
Remember that MS removed office from chromebook’s play store, you can imagine why, they are pretty scared now.
Apart from office I see the Cad industry offered briscad to Linux , the video editing industry offered davince and lightworks, the 3d modeling one has blender which is just industry-grade per se, I guess office and adobe are the only grandparents reluctant to switch to the new world.
sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz
on 04 Aug 2023 06:43
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If I can fix my macbook air, I’m definitely loading linux
I want to switch on desktop but my 2nd drive is ntfs and I heard wine had trouble with that
AzzyDev@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 06:55
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There are NTFS drivers for Linux, it can read and write it fine, no wine needed :)
ichbinjasokreativ@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 07:11
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he means that wine does not play games well if they’re loaded off of an ntfs drive. which is true.
he could just backup his data, reformat to ext4 and restore his data though.
sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz
on 04 Aug 2023 07:48
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Thanks, that’s exactly it!
But I have a huge amount of data on the drive(1tb) and no second drive to use for backup
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 13:14
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Sounds like it’s time to buy a good 6tb hdd for backups. Don’t be like me and put it off for years and suffer multiple drive failures and lose over a decade of hoarded data!
sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz
on 04 Aug 2023 13:33
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I am running out of what little cash I had
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml
on 05 Aug 2023 09:35
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Yeah, me too buddy…me too…
NaoPb@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 14:07
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Why are we like this? I too have a habit of losing hoarded data.
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 19:55
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Because backing stuff up is a pain, especially if you want to back up your entire operating system and not just your home folder. It’s taken me a fair bit of work and a lot of know-how to set up Borg Backup to do that, including writing a custom script to safely fsck, mount, and unmount the backup drive.
True. I am working on some scripts so I can simply do a fresh install and then it’s all setup the way I like it. Some parts are easy but others a bit more complex.
But then I still need to make backups of the important stuff. I kinda use Google Drive for that though it’s not really a backup because all local changes are streamed to it. That will suck in the event of a ransomware attack.
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml
on 05 Aug 2023 09:36
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Idfk, but it’s an issue…
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 19:48
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Meanwhile, I’ve been backing stuff up like it’s my religion, and never had a drive failure to recover from.
The closest I’ve come is when I, earlier this year, trashed the file system on one of my machines. I restored the backup onto one of the two drives in the machine (they’re in a RAID1 configuration), but then I found a way to mount the old file system, so I still would have been able to recover without the backup.
SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml
on 05 Aug 2023 09:37
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The depths of my jealousy, knows no bounds. On 3 separate occasions in the last 8 years I’ve lost decades of data. I was able to recover most of the data at every failure, but cumulatively…almost enough to make me cry…
Manjaro is the most unstable shit i’ve ever witnesed
CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 14:28
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100%. After an update screwed the OS twice on desktop, twice on Pine phone, I moved to Kububtu and eventually OpenSuse TW. I’m glad manjaro is so bad. It helped me find good software.
ichbinjasokreativ@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 07:10
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Honestly, I’m not surprised. Linux on the desktop (or laptop!) has gotten so damn good that going back to windows feels like an absolute chore everytime I need to do so for work.
traveler01@lemdro.id
on 04 Aug 2023 07:44
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Quite honestly comparing any other desktop OS to Windows is an insult. Windows has gotten insanely bad that even MacOS with all its flaws it’s better.
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 19:41
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Considering how many times and how many ways macOS has pissed me off over the years, that’s pretty hard to imagine. If what you say is true, then Windows 11 must be seriously awful.
traveler01@lemdro.id
on 04 Aug 2023 20:26
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Windows 10 is bad, Windows 11 is worse. It has 0 consistency, bullshit hogging computers resources for no reason, a lot of bugs. There was even an issue in AMD CPUs that caused them to run slower at games. Not even talking about the fact that the suspension mode doesn’t work at all.
A ARM-based MacBook nowadays feels like an actual computer. Stable-ish, fast and good battery life.
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 20:45
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My idea of an actual computer is one that doesn’t try to tell me which software I’m allowed to run and which files I’m allowed to read or write. A computer should obey its owner, first and foremost, not some necktie-wearing corporate minion.
'Course, Windows doesn’t fit that definition any more, either. Only free and open source operating systems like Linux do, which is part of why I use them. I won’t consider the ARM-based MacBook an actual computer until and unless I can run Linux on it without any significant issues.
traveler01@lemdro.id
on 04 Aug 2023 21:09
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Honestly I don’t think Macs are that closed. Not as open as a Linux distribution but not as bad as Windows.
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 05 Aug 2023 01:03
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They’re worse.
On Windows, if you want to run a program that’s not signed by a trusted CA, you just have to click “yes” when it asks if you’re sure, or just add the CA who did sign it to the set of trusted CAs.
On a Mac, if you want to run a program that’s not signed by Apple, you need to know the secret override handshake (right click the program and click “Open”), and there is no way to tell the system to trust anyone other than Apple.
gaybear@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 07:13
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LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 07:53
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seeing linux go more popular due to windows going crap puts a smile on my face
most of the games i have on my windows machine can run on linux without any issues
expect for roblox
Yeah those idiots intentionally excluded the linux community
DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 11:10
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true…
roblox said they have plans to try to bring back compatibility with wine but it seems they are not making a version of byfron conpatible with linux
Roblox is the only reason i have dualbooted windows
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz
on 04 Aug 2023 14:40
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Also it’s a wise choice to dualboot, even if every current game is playable on Linux tho. Who knows which game won’t run for you no matter what via Wine when apparently it’s Gold/platinum rated on protondb.
Well, the platform is nice and building a 3d game is straightforward but actually I see most kids just playing shitty games in the end. Better go sketch, construct 3 or others
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
on 04 Aug 2023 11:12
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winecfg has a checkbox to not tell the application that it’s wine. Doesn’t work?
DestroyMegacorps@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 11:13
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it dosent work due to the ring 0 byfron anti cheat
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
on 04 Aug 2023 16:04
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Likely not a benefit for the development time. In short, it’s always money!
PurpleGreen@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 08:30
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How do they gather their stats?
independantiste@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 12:13
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From their FAQ:
What methodology is used to calculate Statcounter Global Stats?
Statcounter is a web analytics service. Our tracking code is installed on more than 1.5 million sites globally. These sites cover various activities and geographic locations. Every month, we record billions of page views to these sites. For each page view, we analyse the browser/operating system/screen resolution used and we establish if the page view is from a mobile device.
argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 19:39
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That’s cheating. The Steam Deck is a game console, not a desktop.
RassilonianLegate@mstdn.social
on 05 Aug 2023 00:27
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@argv_minus_one @bzxt Functionally it's a laptop with a controller built in instead of a keyboard, plug it in to a dock with a keyboard and mouse, and even an external monitor, and you have a linux computer
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:48
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Probably not? Why would Steam Deck users access StatCounter? I have used the browser like 1-2 times total on my Steam Deck, but since it’s annoying, I just don’t bother anymore.
So I’m guessing Steam Deck doesn’t contribute much at all to this since it’s based on browser user agents.
cumberboi@beehaw.org
on 04 Aug 2023 21:14
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i mean it says it’s based on page views so SteamDeck wont have much of an impact unless its being used to browse the web id assume
Linux is like 3% of Steam users, where maybe half are from Steam Deck users. So if it does contribute, it’s probably not a big factor in these totals. I’m guessing devs/enthusiasts are the main contributors
merthyr1831@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 11:17
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IT’S HAPPENING !!! YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP !!!
1984@lemmy.today
on 04 Aug 2023 11:38
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For me it’s been year of the Linux desktop since maybe 2010 or something… Don’t remember exactly when I switched all computers to Linux. But something like that.
I think it was Ubuntu 8 or something when I first started using Linux everywhere at home. I remember the name Hardy Heron… And that was released in 2010.
I’ve had Linux on my work laptop for at least the last 5 years. It’s very reliable these days.
And I have been gaming on it full time for the last 2 years.
Ubuntu version numbers are very easy to track against the years, because they are the years. Ubuntu 8.X was released in 2008. If it was 2010 it would have been Ubuntu 10.X.
Ok thanks. Yeah memory is a bit fuzzy from that time and I probably switched a bit back and forth between other Linux also.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:47
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Same, but ~2007 for me. I switched when Windows crapped out on my rented computer at school and Linux just worked. I’ve been essentially Linux-only since then, with occasional returns to Windows for one-off tasks (e.g. play a certain game with friends, run an app, test something, etc).
The only time I’ve booted into Windows in the last year was to install Minecraft Bedrock edition so my kid could play with his friend, but his kid flaked and we haven’t been back since.
The Beginning of the Revolution is upon us, my friends
HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl
on 04 Aug 2023 12:11
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Good to hear. I like the excitement, but I’ve also been hearing about major big tech funding for some major projects - let’s hope those orgs aren’t compromised.
Brisolo32@lemmy.eco.br
on 04 Aug 2023 13:03
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Wtf, wasn’t it like 2% a few weeks ago? That grew fast
bananahammock@lemmy.ca
on 04 Aug 2023 13:46
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I think that was steam and this is some other metric, maybe browser stats?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:38
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Yup, StatCounter uses browser stats. So 3% of browsers that access statcounter (or whatever network of sites they have) report as Linux. That’s a pretty unreliable number, so I’d expect that number to be off by ± 2% or so in either direction (though probably higher than 3% because why would you pretend to be Linux?).
I don’t quite believe it, but secretly hope that the metric is correct and it’s indeed accelerating.
Linux desktop has been ahead of its competitors, both Mac and Windows, for a while now. While Windows keeps getting worse and worse.
And now all games run on Linux desktop too (except Destiny).
May be people are slowly realizing and catching on?
Brisolo32@lemmy.eco.br
on 04 Aug 2023 14:25
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Hopefully so
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz
on 04 Aug 2023 14:37
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I wouldn’t say that almost all games run on Linux. For example pirating Windows games are more finnicky, and running a game from Lutris (non-steam) can have more problems. I’ve had several games which couldn’t run, run brutally poorly (fixed it tho), crash with some type of interaction or just give 0 sound output, when it worked the last time. (Partly venting here)
It’s probably mostly perfect with Steam games.
PoopBuffet69@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Aug 2023 15:05
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Even on Steam it’s far from perfect, but it is getting a lot better and quickly too. The Steam Deck deserves a huge amount of praise for that. I just wish EAC would force their Linux compatibility option rather than leaving it to devs to opt-in. It would be nice if other anti-cheats got on board with similar things too.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:41
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It would be nicer if other anti-cheats and DRM systems would just stop being so invasive. IMO, anti-cheat should largely be server-side, with only basic behavioral checks client-side. Surely they don’t need kernel access to track mouse movements and whatnot.
Regardless, I just don’t like MP games very much anymore, so I just avoid anti-cheat in general. There are plenty of games that work really well on Linux that I’m really not starved for selection. In fact, most games I’m interested are either “verified” or “playable,” and most that aren’t seem to run just fine on my Steam Deck w/o any effort required.
I do occasionally run into games that don’t work, so I have a collection on Steam for games with “Technical Issues,” and there are only a handful in there. It’s very much the exception rather than the rule.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:44
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Linux desktop has been ahead of its competitors
That really depends on what you’re looking for. It’s better for me, but it’s definitely not better for my wife. Her games don’t work on Linux (mostly Lost Ark), nor do her apps. She’s Korean and uses KakaoTalk, and that flat-out doesn’t work on Linux.
The Linux desktop is certainly great for many people, but it’s hardly the best option for everyone. I have coworkers that absolutely love macOS, but I just don’t see it (I use it for work, but that’s not by choice; even after 2 years, I still hate it).
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 20:59
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MacOS in the streets, Debian in the sheets.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 21:43
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SmoothSurfer@lemm.ee
on 04 Aug 2023 16:08
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As a linux user, i always change my user agent. And i think many of the linux users also switch user agents so how correct is this data?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:45
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Probably off by no more than 2%. So maybe 5% use Linux, but I’d guess it’s still in the 3-4% range, especially with Steam clocking in around 2%, which AFAIK is a lot harder to spoof, if it’s possible at all.
fulano@lemmy.eco.br
on 04 Aug 2023 13:23
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Even more important is to see the windows downtrend. We need competition, keep it going!
Bought a cheap laptop with chrome os. Wouldn’t let me install Linux. I returned the laptop.
SimplePhysics@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 15:31
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That’s preposterous. Even the new ARM Macs let you install Linux (although they don’t supply any drivers, leave the devs to reverse engineer everything, which means the only currently supported Linux distro is Asahi Linux (Arch). But thats still better than locking the BIOS/whatever bootloader Chromebooks use.)
Even more preposterous given ChromeOS is basically a Linux distro and would benefit from general Linux users and devs adopting/supporting their hardware
i_lost_my_bagel@seriously.iamincredibly.gay
on 04 Aug 2023 17:50
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Don’t you just have to take out the write protect screw or whatever and flash a new bios?
okamiueru@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 13:52
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Oh wow. I checked the stats for Norway, which is at 12%. gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/…/norway
Sweden and Denmark at <2%, Finland 4%, Iceland 3%. That is a surprising W for Norway.
Hmmm, says 13% now 🤔 Is Bjørn booting up his porn servers again?
ninetynine@lemmy.film
on 04 Aug 2023 14:14
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I run Windows on the main family computer for simplicity and Linux on my personal (slightly older) laptop. I’m trying to teach my kids about it in hopes that they will have the same level of curiosity that I did back in the early 2000s. Plus I’d love to not run Windows at all.
Same. Mostly Debian Stable with one Ubuntu. Kids not interested though.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:33
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My kids (9 and 6) use Linux to run Minecraft and Steam games, it’s literally not a problem. In fact, the only times they’ve used Windows was for:
school - my laptop had an issue with Zoom, so I just booted into Windows (I fixed it, but now my kids don’t need Zoom anymore)
Minecraft Bedrock edition - we never got into the game because we were waiting for his friend, who flaked out
So they basically see Linux as fun and Windows as a disappointment. I actually switched from KDE -> GNOME and my kids didn’t care. In fact, one huge benefit to Linux is that they can ask me to unlock the computer while I’m working in my office, and I just ssh in and run the unlock command, easy as pi. Or if they want to switch Minecraft servers (I have one for Pixelmon and the other for Minecraft), I just run two systemd commands to swap servers.
My wife still uses Windows, mostly because she plays MMOs (currently Lost Ark), and those tend to have anticheat that just doesn’t work on Linux. I and my kids all run Linux exclusively. As long as their games work, they don’t care.
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 20:54
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Gnome is great for children and maybe elderly/computer-illiterate family members. For everyone else, KDE.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 21:42
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Nah, I had plenty of issues with KDE:
keyboard layout pop-up would keep popping up after selecting a new layout - I switch between Dvorak and QWERTY frequently
start bar doesn’t auto-hide consistently; I’ve had it overlay on top of full screen windows, and not pop-up when hovered
no real support for Wayland - I tried on both NVIDIA and AMD, and neither would load; I was able to get it to load by starting KDE from the CLI, but it was unstable
And that’s just off the top of my head. I used KDE for years (2-3) and has a variety of weird issues, and when I got my second monitor recently (different refresh rate, no FreeSync, whereas other monitor has FreeSync), I bailed and switched to GNOME. GNOME just worked and got out of my way.
I don’t care too much about either, but KDE was just too buggy for me. I personally would prefer to go back to a tiling WM, but teaching my kids to use it would be too much effort so I just use GNOME. My kids didn’t have a problem with either, and my laptop still runs KDE, so it’s not like I’m against it by any means.
UnknownQuantity@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 14:17
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I wonder what “other” is.
butter@midwest.social
on 04 Aug 2023 14:27
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BSD? Gnu/Hurd?
Maybe Harmony OS, or whatever the Chinese android fork is.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Aug 2023 14:28
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Haiku, BSDs, ReactOS?
jackpot@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 14:48
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templeos obviously
Sturgist@lemmy.ca
on 04 Aug 2023 15:21
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Heard something about a windows update that made it not show as windows
independantiste@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 15:21
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Most likely people using an Ad/tracker blocker or user agent switcher. Could also be any browser that has stricter privacy settings by default like Safari or Brave or if you stretch it, Firefox
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:36
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This is the most likely scenario IMO. I haven’t bothered changing my user agent, but I did back when Netflix needed it when I used the Silverlight plugin, and it’s probably still active on my other computer (haven’t checked), and that was reporting as Chrome on Windows.
I’m guessing some more security focused people and OSes mask that in a way that this statistics tracker isn’t catching.
andrr_464@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 14:48
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I don’t even understand why people use Chrome OS other than schools forcing it on you
PoopBuffet69@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Aug 2023 14:55
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My mother is technologically impaired. Her last (Windows Vista) laptop was a nightmare from the day she got it. She absolutely loves her Chromebook. All she uses it for is online shopping/banking/emails, so it is perfect for her.
andrr_464@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 15:00
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absolutely agree but don’t forget that google tracks everything
PoopBuffet69@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Aug 2023 15:12
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True, but unless Google starts militarising or something the only thing they can do with my mothers data is target some ads at her. Which she will completely ignore since she will only buy things from the same 2 or 3 sites she has visited for the past 10-15 years.
Same reason here. I convinced both of my parents to get Chromebooks over the last few years, and the number of “service calls” I get from them have dropped drastically.
I use ChromeOS because I use Google Workspace. It gives me a cheap portable machine for work, and for meetings I rather carry that than a £2000 overspec’d heavy 15" laptop. It’s the cheapest of the cheap, and it can run Linux in a VM with Firefox. It has fantastic battery life. I also run Linux on the laptop, and on a Desktop PC, as well as servers.
In my mind, ChromeOS works. It’s literally a browser with a screen, a keyboard, and some deep-rooted privacy concerns.
As for Windows, that I don’t understand the need in 2023. I switched to Debian, and immediately saw better thermals, less fan noise, faster boot, longer battery life, and all sort of other improvements. Given Linux/Windows/MacOS/DOS/iOS/Android are all effectively launchers for apps and provide broadly the same services I don’t really care which, but I will choose the ones that make me most productive.
socphoenix@midwest.social
on 04 Aug 2023 16:02
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I keep a Chromebook for stuff around the house. 90+ percent of normal usage these days is the web anyhow. The Linux vm with ssh and remmina installed gets me server maintenance and Remote Desktop to my server without paying more than $200 for the laptop. You can’t beat the value of these things if you don’t need to compile/edit videos or something
andrr_464@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 17:31
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you can also install arch linux on chrome os but it isn’t recommended on a low spec machine
alteropen@noc.social
on 04 Aug 2023 16:11
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@andrr_464@Kaped my grandma literally just needs to do some online banking, aka all she needs is a reliable browser. chromeOS is that. it launches chrome without any bloat. it runs on a dead cheap laptop £150 done.
no Hassel no complications works out the box no long term slow down from something like windows it just works.
obviously much of this applies for Linux to and once chromeOS reaches end of life on her laptop I will be putting Linux on there but till then it works
andrr_464@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 17:20
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my first thought was LINUX, i just struggle to trust google with anything
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 20:45
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My grandma keeps a book beside her computer with all of her passwords written in it. I don’t think she cares that much about security or privacy.
alteropen@noc.social
on 05 Aug 2023 14:29
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@JuxtaposedJaguar@andrr_464 that's better than most people, j know people who don't even try remember their passwords and just do forget password everytime
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:27
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My dad uses it a lot. He has access to Google Drive, his blog, and email, and that’s all he really needs. It “Just Works” and gets out of his way. He used to be a huge Microsoft fanboy and adamant that he needed Office, but now he just uses his Chromebook and is happy.
Sure, he could be using some Linux flavor, but what would he gain? He doesn’t need anything outside of the browser, so ChromeOS is perfect for him.
andrr_464@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 2023 17:36
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price is a big part in all of it i suppose
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 17:55
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Kind of. My dad is kinda cheap, but he was willing to pay a premium for Office. He mostly switched because he hates subscription services (and that’s where Office is going), and he realized Google Docs provided the features he needed.
My dad would still be on Windows + Office today if Microsoft wasn’t pushing for a subscription-based service. So he was won over by the experience first and foremost, but the lower price certainly didn’t hurt.
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 04 Aug 2023 20:42
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Sure, he could be using some Linux flavor, but what would he gain?
A whole lot more privacy. Although that’s unfortunately not worth it for a lot of normies.
Sadly on most linux you would miss an hw accelerated chrome :-/
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 2023 21:37
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IDK, if he’s going to use Chrome and Google Services regardless, does Linux really offer much more privacy?
You can get a ton more privacy regardless of OS if you try, but if you just use the popular services, you can use the most locked down OS and you’ll still have privacy issues.
So I’m not going to try to push Linux on people, I’m going to encourage privacy-oriented solutions. It’s much easier to get someone to change one service they use than to change operating systems, and the services are the more important part when it comes to privacy.
Lord_Logjam@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 13:13
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I use it. I prefer the experience to Windows and I don’t have the time to properly learn Linux. I know that’s lazy and I know I am sacrificing a certain degree of privacy by being lazy, but I already use a Pixel phone so I don’t think I’ve giving away anything new. One day I will probably sit down and set up Linux on my Chromebook and have more of a tinker, I’ve done it before and I’m relatively tech savvy.
LakesLem@lemm.ee
on 04 Aug 2023 21:25
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Wow it’s ALMOST got a slice of the operating system pi!
unodostres@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 2023 00:49
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👏
masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Aug 2023 07:45
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and there was much rejoicing!
cake@lemmings.world
on 05 Aug 2023 07:48
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Penguins together strong
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 08:54
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Tbh, Linux atm needs a good way to restore incase something goes wrong. The rule to use a USB stick and then chroot and fix is not the best idea.
A week ago I ran into issue where my Storage ran full (I was downloading+ manjaro was updating in BG) and then apparently the system didn’t boot up coz of this. It took me sometime to realise this issue and fix it.
You can’t expect an avg user to be able to perform so much.
Another incident, My friend somehow ended up in a state with no kernel installed and thus couldn’t boot up.
Boinketh@lemm.ee
on 05 Aug 2023 09:15
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Manjaro is… less than stable, at least in my experience.
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 09:53
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I wouldn’t say that tbh. Sure it has some issues, but it has been stable enough for me for the past 2+ years.
I wasn’t using my Linux system daily, so I had to update things in bulk when I would open it up. That can apparently lead to a lot of problems with Manjaro. If you used it daily, I’m not surprised you didn’t run into issues.
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 20:38
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Yup. If you are updating on regular intervals it works pretty well.
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 09:52
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Honestly, the current DEs like GNOME and KDE are at the point that they can be driven by your avg user without much efforts.
So polishing these parts of the system will really help in adoption.
Blackmist@feddit.uk
on 05 Aug 2023 11:25
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Depends what the average user needs to do.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml
on 05 Aug 2023 18:54
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If the average user doesn’t need some specific products, yes. Gaming is not an issue anymore. You are only constrained by products that can’t run on a browser and lazy ass companies like Adobe.
QuazarOmega@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 10:12
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That sounds like a job for btrfs snapshots, they’re provided by default in openSUSE
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 10:33
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Cries in ext4
QuazarOmega@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 11:36
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You can try doing an in-place conversion, here’s a guide and the official documentation, remember to BACKUP and TEST your BACKUP at least twice, if things don’t go well, you’ll be able to fall back.
If you want to avoid all the setup headache, just reinstall with btrfs by default (I suggest Fedora Silverblue or openSUSE Tumbleweed for that) of course you’ll still have to backup, just your data though, to be restored on the new system
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 11:49
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Second suggestion for SilverBlue today.
Maybe I will try it out once I have enough time on hand to backup my system and then restore.
QuazarOmega@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 12:09
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I’ve been loving it honestly, I used to mess up my systems pretty often in a way that upgrading to new releases had to be done from the command line because of random repositories I added, so things felt unstable.
Immutable systems on the other hand are dumbass (me) proof and I can still do what I used to do with those repos in safe environments or Flatpak now that it has become so ubiquitous for packaging.
Immutability is not a must, even though I really like the philosophy, in fact, if you’re comfortable with what you have, you might be fine just converting over your current OS to btrfs.
Good luck, whichever option you try!
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 14:34
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Thanks for informing.
Will be definitely trying it.
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id
on 05 Aug 2023 10:22
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Pretty sure this is exactly what the “immutable OS” is for, like what’s found in Fedora Silverblue (and less notably in the SteamDeck).
It essentially lets you break whatever you want in userland, but it mounts the root filesystem in read-only, and literally re-images the entire machine each update w/ the added bonus of halting and rolling back the update if any errors are detected during the update. All of which occurs “magically” behind the scenes upon shutdown, so it requires essentially little to no user interaction to manage core updates.
Also all graphical software is limited to flatpaks, so you really take out a lot of the user confusion about installing on Linux and dealing with system-specific weirdness.
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 10:32
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Woah. Didn’t knew about this.
Looks very promising.
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id
on 05 Aug 2023 11:01
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Yeah, honestly without memeing, if it ever does happen it would probably be the causes of “the year of the linux desktop”.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml
on 05 Aug 2023 18:52
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A lot of distros already implement different methods to avoid this. There are already comments about a couple of methods, timeshift is another one, it’s pushed heavily by Linux Mint, for example.
TheMadnessKing@lemmy.world
on 05 Aug 2023 19:52
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I see most of these tools are more to prevent them from going broke.
A GUI recovery tool which is distro-agnostic would be gold honestly .
It’s bad if you want to do any tinkering, but is honestly the best option for primary schools and the elderly. Already locked down to the basics and fairly easy to deploy.
threaded - newest
Wonder how much Steam deck is carrying the team
Even for those not on Steam Deck, they’re able to play more games on other distros because of all the work they did to get games working on Steam Deck, so you could technically say close to 100% IMHO.
Maybe as far as gaming is concerned but let’s not forget everyone else’s hard work. Linux has come a long way and is becoming ever more user friendly.
The Deck is for sure standing on the shoulder’s of giants.
You’re right, I also forgot to credit Ada Lovelace and Charles Babbage,
LOL
I think these statistics are based on people browsing the web, which most steam deck users probably don’t do on the steam deck. This is likely desktop users.
I wonder why Windows share dips while “unknown” surges. It seems to reverse afterwards.
I read in another post a while ago that there was some issue with a Windows update that caused it not to register as Windows. It was then corrected in a subsequent update. So the Unknown bump is just Windows.
Edit for reference: gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/…/worldwide/#m…
I don’t care about linux taking over the world or anything but I just want the market share high enough so companies will port their shit over
From what I read its ~ 5% for this to happen and companies taking Linux seriously.
Please share that article! 5% feels like just around the corner!
I hope that applies to games as well. It really does feel super close!
This doesn’t make much sense because different companies / services will have vastly different development costs associated with Linux compatibility and there wouldn’t be just one global threshold for profitability for everyone
It’s a rough benchmark, not a “if we hit 5%, we immediately get all the software.”
For example, I doubt we’d get Apple porting Safari to Linux regardless of marketshare, but we’d probably get a ton more games with native support if it just meant testing and minor fixes to the Linux-compatible Vulkan build.
So don’t expect Adobe to suddenly port everything over, but expect a lot better compatibility as we get around 5% marketshare.
they should just use Vulkan in the first placr because that runs on both windows and Linux
Sure, but that doesn’t eliminate dev or testing costs, it just reduces them.
People who don’t care is the reason Linux Desktop is at 3% and not 100%
I said I don’t care about world domination. I do care about it getting up tho
Nearly 30 years after I first heard "Linux will take over Windows"! Think that was in 1994 or 1995.
Seems to be truly be gaining momentum and solidifying its status though. Linux 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, even 5 years ago is not even comparable its current state.
Lol its in last place behind an ad based mobile os that just came out #Progress
man you salty af
ChromeOS has been out for over a decade. Its not “new”, many schools actually used it before the pandemic.
To dislodge an incumbent, a product needs to have an enormous advantage, a killer feature that makes the hassle of changing worth it. Up until now, Linux didn’t have it. Well, it did, but Windows had it too, but Microsoft dropped it: lack of ads baked on the OS.
Now that Windows is turning into yet another Ad delivery system, people are looking for an escape. Many are going to Macs, some are coming to Linux.
That’s not really a killer app.
The biggest reason Windows is the leader by far is because of the Office suite. There’s no good alternative that has anywhere near the features or fluidity and doesn’t feel like it was designed in 2005.
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Online Office has definitely gotten better. At this point I think the big missing features are macros (which will never come) and Power Query/Pivot and the Data Model.
And this is through summer and universities break. Its fair to expect a higher increase through the last Quarter of the year and probably surpassing ChromeOS with 3.24%
Currently running Windows 10, but refuse to upgrade to Windows 11. Next rebuild will hopefully be Linux-based, and am getting my head around it slowly through my Steam Deck. It has immensely improved since my uni days in the early 2000s.
Gnome 45 and Plasma 6 are coming by the end of the year. Add that Wine/Proton further development to bring in even more games. It’ll all increase Linux user experience even further to what Windows is offering right now.
I do wonder how steams mau looks throughout the year.
I switched to Linux a week ago, I’m part of that statistic
I haven't fully switched, yet, because I don't want to be just another statistic.
You’re just part of the other side of the statistic.
Welcome! One of us, one of us, one of us!
Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble!
I came back to Linux about a month ago. I was nervous at first that my stuff wouldn’t work, it required a bit of tweaking to get everything how I want it, but I’m happy to be here :) I use Arch btw
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! LINE GO UP!
In all seriousness, welcome.
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Boooooo!!!
SHAKE HARDER, BOY! shakes fist
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“Desktop OS” also counts laptops. Unless people are working from their smartphones, I don’t think desktop is collapsing at all.
That kind of sounds like “It’s bad because its growing slow. It’s growing slow because its bad” Is there something specific about it you don’t like?
The desktop space is collapsing because people are moving to smartphones. And Android, which is Linux-based, dominates that market.
Been using Linux since the first Ubuntu release in 2004. Every year I keep reading about “this is the year Linux will take the world”
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Not take the world but its its becoming increasingly popular on the Desktop.
I think we’re at a unique point where windows has pissed off people to no end by continuing to ruin their operating system, and Linux has reached a very mature point. Everyone I know that uses windows hates it now, more than ever, and are finally at the tipping point.
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I would like to see a breakdown of useage by region. For example I found stats that said India’s share of linux users rose from 9% in May to 15% in July. That’s quite a sharp increase in only 2 months! With a population of over 1 billion people, I’m betting this rise would have a significant increase in global stats, so I wonder what is behind it…
Source: gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india
India is introducing a Data Protection Bill (based on the GDPR, but with controversial exemptions for the government itself), so companies could be restructuring their IT systems. As to why India is high in general, our government has had a policy of encouraging free software for quite some time. Most schools and many government offices use either Ubuntu or BOSS (Debian with improved support for Indian languages).
That’s amazing.
Here in Brazil, we had the government encouraging free software in the 2000s, but the projects and policies were all abandoned.
And to think we could have a similar adoption to yours today… sigh…
Back then, people didn’t understand how such projects give benefits in a long timeframe, and wanted immediate results, something impossible.
To be fair, I think the main reasons they support FOSS are (a) saving on licence fees and (b) not being dependent on a foreign company, which can be forced to stop supporting our infrastructure if we piss off the US / China.
But still good reasons, anyway.
Oh that’s interesting, exposing kids to it is a great idea because then they won’t have the whole barrier of the ‘fear of the unknown’ when considering installing it on their own PC. Thanks for sharing!
Microsoft office on Linux soon, I hope.
I know there are alternatives but my files do not work with them. I use it professionally and truly need Microsoft office… sadly.
Have you tried free office? It’s really good. If be surprised if your files didn’t work in it but if they don’t I guess your waiting for office for Linux or perhaps trying office 365.
I don’t think they would do that because a lot of governmental institutions could easily switch to Linux.
I did not consider that. I am surprised that any government even allows Windows to be used.
They use an enterprise or custom government version which has a lot of the tracking and annoying crap disabled
But can they be sure the nsa is not watching?
That and why give away their market share? They have people in a stranglehold because of their incopatibilities with other office clients. Just like they did with Internet Explorer.
Damn Microsoft and their proprietary things they add to office documents…
I got my kid over to Pop OS yesterday. It was so amusing because he has been running Windows all this time and when I use his computer, I get frustrated since it’s so slow and laggy and freezes up etc.
He always tells me “stop being so fast, you have to wait for the computer!”.
We installed PopOS and he was literally amazed how fast it was. He saw that I could open programs and interact with them with no lag and no issues whatsoever. His comment was “I didn’t know it could be like this”.
Exactly.
Speaking for myself, but I suspect this applies to a lot of people, the factors that are enabling me to run Linux as my personal computer are:
Putting that together and subtracting all the annoyances of Windows - nagging notifications, updates that take forever, Windows trying to make my default browser Edge, the greater threat of viruses - why wouldn’t I be on Linux? Why wouldn’t a lot of people be on Linux?
As a latex user, reading “… and I absolutely need the formatting to be correct …” and using word is a joke
Latex is what made switching to linux possible for me during college. I had multiple lab classes that required their own very specific formatting. One of them required latex, and I was the only person who ended up learning latex in my lab group. Between that semester and the next one, I installed linux and used latex exclusively for all my reports, and I can certainly say that my papers actually looked good. I spent no time on formatting after the first lab report when I made my template.
As someone who wishes he could use CSS for full-blown typesetting, do I need to get off your lawn?
Because dumb people like me are too scared to leave what we know and have always heard that you need to actually know a thing or two instead of just relying on modern user-“friendly” systems to do it all for you.
Well there’s the fact that it’s somewhat true as for example if you use a chromium based browser on Linux hardware acceleration isn’t enabled by default and borderline doesn’t work a lot of the time.
Doesn’t sound so bad till you realise what it does to battery life on a laptop.
I love Linux and we are so close but it’s small things like that, which prevent me getting friends and family to use it consistently.
That’s not really true nowadays. Linux Mint is easier to learn than Windows. Unless you want to play certain games, in which case you might have to tinker with Wine and Lutris.
Honestly with things like Heroic it’s unlikely that you really need to “tinker” much regardless.
Remember that MS removed office from chromebook’s play store, you can imagine why, they are pretty scared now. Apart from office I see the Cad industry offered briscad to Linux , the video editing industry offered davince and lightworks, the 3d modeling one has blender which is just industry-grade per se, I guess office and adobe are the only grandparents reluctant to switch to the new world.
If I can fix my macbook air, I’m definitely loading linux
I want to switch on desktop but my 2nd drive is ntfs and I heard wine had trouble with that
There are NTFS drivers for Linux, it can read and write it fine, no wine needed :)
he means that wine does not play games well if they’re loaded off of an ntfs drive. which is true. he could just backup his data, reformat to ext4 and restore his data though.
Thanks, that’s exactly it!
But I have a huge amount of data on the drive(1tb) and no second drive to use for backup
Sounds like it’s time to buy a good 6tb hdd for backups. Don’t be like me and put it off for years and suffer multiple drive failures and lose over a decade of hoarded data!
I am running out of what little cash I had
Yeah, me too buddy…me too…
Why are we like this? I too have a habit of losing hoarded data.
Because backing stuff up is a pain, especially if you want to back up your entire operating system and not just your home folder. It’s taken me a fair bit of work and a lot of know-how to set up Borg Backup to do that, including writing a custom script to safely fsck, mount, and unmount the backup drive.
True. I am working on some scripts so I can simply do a fresh install and then it’s all setup the way I like it. Some parts are easy but others a bit more complex. But then I still need to make backups of the important stuff. I kinda use Google Drive for that though it’s not really a backup because all local changes are streamed to it. That will suck in the event of a ransomware attack.
Idfk, but it’s an issue…
Meanwhile, I’ve been backing stuff up like it’s my religion, and never had a drive failure to recover from.
The closest I’ve come is when I, earlier this year, trashed the file system on one of my machines. I restored the backup onto one of the two drives in the machine (they’re in a RAID1 configuration), but then I found a way to mount the old file system, so I still would have been able to recover without the backup.
The depths of my jealousy, knows no bounds. On 3 separate occasions in the last 8 years I’ve lost decades of data. I was able to recover most of the data at every failure, but cumulatively…almost enough to make me cry…
Ah so it still is preferable to format secondary storage as ext4 instead of ntfs. Good to know.
Whats wrong with your Mac? Can I help?
Doesn’t turn on
Gave it to repair shop for diagnostics since I don’t have a charger
Why is the NTFS drive a problem? Can’t you reformat or at least partition it with a different file system?
Data
All my games are already on there
I can easily give a fedora usb stick to a friend and let him install it. Without problem. No coding required.
Fedora installation is always confusing… even to a novice linux user. Give him different distro.
Some don’t get this right. Manjaro, Mint and Kubuntu are easy. OpenSuse wasn’t IMHO, but it’s a great OS.
Manjaro is the most unstable shit i’ve ever witnesed
100%. After an update screwed the OS twice on desktop, twice on Pine phone, I moved to Kububtu and eventually OpenSuse TW. I’m glad manjaro is so bad. It helped me find good software.
Hello, I am friend. I can have usb stick? 🤡
Honestly, I’m not surprised. Linux on the desktop (or laptop!) has gotten so damn good that going back to windows feels like an absolute chore everytime I need to do so for work.
Quite honestly comparing any other desktop OS to Windows is an insult. Windows has gotten insanely bad that even MacOS with all its flaws it’s better.
Considering how many times and how many ways macOS has pissed me off over the years, that’s pretty hard to imagine. If what you say is true, then Windows 11 must be seriously awful.
Windows 10 is bad, Windows 11 is worse. It has 0 consistency, bullshit hogging computers resources for no reason, a lot of bugs. There was even an issue in AMD CPUs that caused them to run slower at games. Not even talking about the fact that the suspension mode doesn’t work at all.
A ARM-based MacBook nowadays feels like an actual computer. Stable-ish, fast and good battery life.
My idea of an actual computer is one that doesn’t try to tell me which software I’m allowed to run and which files I’m allowed to read or write. A computer should obey its owner, first and foremost, not some necktie-wearing corporate minion.
'Course, Windows doesn’t fit that definition any more, either. Only free and open source operating systems like Linux do, which is part of why I use them. I won’t consider the ARM-based MacBook an actual computer until and unless I can run Linux on it without any significant issues.
Honestly I don’t think Macs are that closed. Not as open as a Linux distribution but not as bad as Windows.
They’re worse.
On Windows, if you want to run a program that’s not signed by a trusted CA, you just have to click “yes” when it asks if you’re sure, or just add the CA who did sign it to the set of trusted CAs.
On a Mac, if you want to run a program that’s not signed by Apple, you need to know the secret override handshake (right click the program and click “Open”), and there is no way to tell the system to trust anyone other than Apple.
LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
seeing linux go more popular due to windows going crap puts a smile on my face most of the games i have on my windows machine can run on linux without any issues expect for roblox
Yeah those idiots intentionally excluded the linux community
true… roblox said they have plans to try to bring back compatibility with wine but it seems they are not making a version of byfron conpatible with linux
Roblox is the only reason i have dualbooted windows
Also it’s a wise choice to dualboot, even if every current game is playable on Linux tho. Who knows which game won’t run for you no matter what via Wine when apparently it’s Gold/platinum rated on protondb.
Isn’t grapejuice working anymore? I remember I got it working a few months ago but my kid is not interested in it so i don’t know the current status.
Nop
Well, the platform is nice and building a 3d game is straightforward but actually I see most kids just playing shitty games in the end. Better go sketch, construct 3 or others
winecfg has a checkbox to not tell the application that it’s wine. Doesn’t work?
it dosent work due to the ring 0 byfron anti cheat
Damn kernel level malware.
why intentional
Likely not a benefit for the development time. In short, it’s always money!
How do they gather their stats?
From their FAQ:
gs.statcounter.com/faq#methodology
I try to spoof all this on my devices and make it look like I use Chrome on Windows. Maybe I should show I’m FF on Linux.
Nah, do TempleOS.
Does the SteamDeck contribute to the Linux number?
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Definitely
That’s cheating. The Steam Deck is a game console, not a desktop.
@argv_minus_one
@bzxt
Functionally it's a laptop with a controller built in instead of a keyboard, plug it in to a dock with a keyboard and mouse, and even an external monitor, and you have a linux computer
Probably not? Why would Steam Deck users access StatCounter? I have used the browser like 1-2 times total on my Steam Deck, but since it’s annoying, I just don’t bother anymore.
So I’m guessing Steam Deck doesn’t contribute much at all to this since it’s based on browser user agents.
i mean it says it’s based on page views so SteamDeck wont have much of an impact unless its being used to browse the web id assume
Linux is like 3% of Steam users, where maybe half are from Steam Deck users. So if it does contribute, it’s probably not a big factor in these totals. I’m guessing devs/enthusiasts are the main contributors
IT’S HAPPENING !!! YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP !!!
For me it’s been year of the Linux desktop since maybe 2010 or something… Don’t remember exactly when I switched all computers to Linux. But something like that.
I think it was Ubuntu 8 or something when I first started using Linux everywhere at home. I remember the name Hardy Heron… And that was released in 2010.
I’ve had Linux on my work laptop for at least the last 5 years. It’s very reliable these days.
And I have been gaming on it full time for the last 2 years.
It’s all very much progress. Very much fun.
Ubuntu version numbers are very easy to track against the years, because they are the years. Ubuntu 8.X was released in 2008. If it was 2010 it would have been Ubuntu 10.X.
Ok thanks. Yeah memory is a bit fuzzy from that time and I probably switched a bit back and forth between other Linux also.
Same, but ~2007 for me. I switched when Windows crapped out on my rented computer at school and Linux just worked. I’ve been essentially Linux-only since then, with occasional returns to Windows for one-off tasks (e.g. play a certain game with friends, run an app, test something, etc).
The only time I’ve booted into Windows in the last year was to install Minecraft Bedrock edition so my kid could play with his friend, but his kid flaked and we haven’t been back since.
The Beginning of the Revolution is upon us, my friends
Good to hear. I like the excitement, but I’ve also been hearing about major big tech funding for some major projects - let’s hope those orgs aren’t compromised.
Wtf, wasn’t it like 2% a few weeks ago? That grew fast
I think that was steam and this is some other metric, maybe browser stats?
Yup, StatCounter uses browser stats. So 3% of browsers that access statcounter (or whatever network of sites they have) report as Linux. That’s a pretty unreliable number, so I’d expect that number to be off by ± 2% or so in either direction (though probably higher than 3% because why would you pretend to be Linux?).
I don’t quite believe it, but secretly hope that the metric is correct and it’s indeed accelerating.
Linux desktop has been ahead of its competitors, both Mac and Windows, for a while now. While Windows keeps getting worse and worse.
And now all games run on Linux desktop too (except Destiny).
May be people are slowly realizing and catching on?
Hopefully so
I wouldn’t say that almost all games run on Linux. For example pirating Windows games are more finnicky, and running a game from Lutris (non-steam) can have more problems. I’ve had several games which couldn’t run, run brutally poorly (fixed it tho), crash with some type of interaction or just give 0 sound output, when it worked the last time. (Partly venting here)
It’s probably mostly perfect with Steam games.
Even on Steam it’s far from perfect, but it is getting a lot better and quickly too. The Steam Deck deserves a huge amount of praise for that. I just wish EAC would force their Linux compatibility option rather than leaving it to devs to opt-in. It would be nice if other anti-cheats got on board with similar things too.
It would be nicer if other anti-cheats and DRM systems would just stop being so invasive. IMO, anti-cheat should largely be server-side, with only basic behavioral checks client-side. Surely they don’t need kernel access to track mouse movements and whatnot.
Regardless, I just don’t like MP games very much anymore, so I just avoid anti-cheat in general. There are plenty of games that work really well on Linux that I’m really not starved for selection. In fact, most games I’m interested are either “verified” or “playable,” and most that aren’t seem to run just fine on my Steam Deck w/o any effort required.
I do occasionally run into games that don’t work, so I have a collection on Steam for games with “Technical Issues,” and there are only a handful in there. It’s very much the exception rather than the rule.
That really depends on what you’re looking for. It’s better for me, but it’s definitely not better for my wife. Her games don’t work on Linux (mostly Lost Ark), nor do her apps. She’s Korean and uses KakaoTalk, and that flat-out doesn’t work on Linux.
The Linux desktop is certainly great for many people, but it’s hardly the best option for everyone. I have coworkers that absolutely love macOS, but I just don’t see it (I use it for work, but that’s not by choice; even after 2 years, I still hate it).
MacOS in the streets, Debian in the sheets.
Lol. I actually use OpenSUSE in the sheets. ;)
Korean corporates really forces people to be backwards like this
How does these stats being determined, just curiosity, i really dont know
Browser user agent strings
As a linux user, i always change my user agent. And i think many of the linux users also switch user agents so how correct is this data?
Probably off by no more than 2%. So maybe 5% use Linux, but I’d guess it’s still in the 3-4% range, especially with Steam clocking in around 2%, which AFAIK is a lot harder to spoof, if it’s possible at all.
Even more important is to see the windows downtrend. We need competition, keep it going!
Bought a cheap laptop with chrome os. Wouldn’t let me install Linux. I returned the laptop.
That’s preposterous. Even the new ARM Macs let you install Linux (although they don’t supply any drivers, leave the devs to reverse engineer everything, which means the only currently supported Linux distro is Asahi Linux (Arch). But thats still better than locking the BIOS/whatever bootloader Chromebooks use.)
Let’s just say I was frustrated.
Fyi: An official “Asahi spin” of fedora is coming up. It’s going to be released later this year, if I remember correctly.
Later this august, actually. Yes, I am aware of it. I really like Fedora, so I’m going to give it a spin ASAP.
Even more preposterous given ChromeOS is basically a Linux distro and would benefit from general Linux users and devs adopting/supporting their hardware
Don’t you just have to take out the write protect screw or whatever and flash a new bios?
Not sure. It was about a year ago.
Oh wow. I checked the stats for Norway, which is at 12%. gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/…/norway Sweden and Denmark at <2%, Finland 4%, Iceland 3%. That is a surprising W for Norway.
Norway is the first world of the Scandinavians. Im not suprised
explain
As a Norwegian. Nah. We’re very much similar in culture, which is why this is surprising. The whole "we are better than " is mostly for fun.
Almost 2nd spot! Keep going!
Linus, his daughter, and a few test instances
Hmmm, says 13% now 🤔 Is Bjørn booting up his porn servers again?
I run Windows on the main family computer for simplicity and Linux on my personal (slightly older) laptop. I’m trying to teach my kids about it in hopes that they will have the same level of curiosity that I did back in the early 2000s. Plus I’d love to not run Windows at all.
Id install Mint/Ubuntu on that family computer. Kids wont see much difference and everything works out of the box nowadays in Linux.
pipewire still needs to get setup
What? Pipewire has been working out of the box for like 2 years
More than 2 even! No idea what they’re talking about
I haven’t done much with Pipewire, but its predecessor PulseAudio just works in most cases.
Same. Mostly Debian Stable with one Ubuntu. Kids not interested though.
My kids (9 and 6) use Linux to run Minecraft and Steam games, it’s literally not a problem. In fact, the only times they’ve used Windows was for:
So they basically see Linux as fun and Windows as a disappointment. I actually switched from KDE -> GNOME and my kids didn’t care. In fact, one huge benefit to Linux is that they can ask me to unlock the computer while I’m working in my office, and I just ssh in and run the unlock command, easy as pi. Or if they want to switch Minecraft servers (I have one for Pixelmon and the other for Minecraft), I just run two systemd commands to swap servers.
My wife still uses Windows, mostly because she plays MMOs (currently Lost Ark), and those tend to have anticheat that just doesn’t work on Linux. I and my kids all run Linux exclusively. As long as their games work, they don’t care.
Gnome is great for children and maybe elderly/computer-illiterate family members. For everyone else, KDE.
Nah, I had plenty of issues with KDE:
And that’s just off the top of my head. I used KDE for years (2-3) and has a variety of weird issues, and when I got my second monitor recently (different refresh rate, no FreeSync, whereas other monitor has FreeSync), I bailed and switched to GNOME. GNOME just worked and got out of my way.
I don’t care too much about either, but KDE was just too buggy for me. I personally would prefer to go back to a tiling WM, but teaching my kids to use it would be too much effort so I just use GNOME. My kids didn’t have a problem with either, and my laptop still runs KDE, so it’s not like I’m against it by any means.
I wonder what “other” is.
BSD? Gnu/Hurd? Maybe Harmony OS, or whatever the Chinese android fork is.
Haiku, BSDs, ReactOS?
templeos obviously
Heard something about a windows update that made it not show as windows
Most likely people using an Ad/tracker blocker or user agent switcher. Could also be any browser that has stricter privacy settings by default like Safari or Brave or if you stretch it, Firefox
This is the most likely scenario IMO. I haven’t bothered changing my user agent, but I did back when Netflix needed it when I used the Silverlight plugin, and it’s probably still active on my other computer (haven’t checked), and that was reporting as Chrome on Windows.
I’m guessing some more security focused people and OSes mask that in a way that this statistics tracker isn’t catching.
I don’t even understand why people use Chrome OS other than schools forcing it on you
My mother is technologically impaired. Her last (Windows Vista) laptop was a nightmare from the day she got it. She absolutely loves her Chromebook. All she uses it for is online shopping/banking/emails, so it is perfect for her.
absolutely agree but don’t forget that google tracks everything
True, but unless Google starts militarising or something the only thing they can do with my mothers data is target some ads at her. Which she will completely ignore since she will only buy things from the same 2 or 3 sites she has visited for the past 10-15 years.
I know it’s unlikely for your mother, but a very real risk is a government forcing Google to hand over your data.
Same reason here. I convinced both of my parents to get Chromebooks over the last few years, and the number of “service calls” I get from them have dropped drastically.
I use ChromeOS because I use Google Workspace. It gives me a cheap portable machine for work, and for meetings I rather carry that than a £2000 overspec’d heavy 15" laptop. It’s the cheapest of the cheap, and it can run Linux in a VM with Firefox. It has fantastic battery life. I also run Linux on the laptop, and on a Desktop PC, as well as servers.
In my mind, ChromeOS works. It’s literally a browser with a screen, a keyboard, and some deep-rooted privacy concerns.
As for Windows, that I don’t understand the need in 2023. I switched to Debian, and immediately saw better thermals, less fan noise, faster boot, longer battery life, and all sort of other improvements. Given Linux/Windows/MacOS/DOS/iOS/Android are all effectively launchers for apps and provide broadly the same services I don’t really care which, but I will choose the ones that make me most productive.
I keep a Chromebook for stuff around the house. 90+ percent of normal usage these days is the web anyhow. The Linux vm with ssh and remmina installed gets me server maintenance and Remote Desktop to my server without paying more than $200 for the laptop. You can’t beat the value of these things if you don’t need to compile/edit videos or something
you can also install arch linux on chrome os but it isn’t recommended on a low spec machine
@andrr_464 @Kaped my grandma literally just needs to do some online banking, aka all she needs is a reliable browser. chromeOS is that. it launches chrome without any bloat. it runs on a dead cheap laptop £150 done.
no Hassel no complications works out the box no long term slow down from something like windows it just works.
obviously much of this applies for Linux to and once chromeOS reaches end of life on her laptop I will be putting Linux on there but till then it works
my first thought was LINUX, i just struggle to trust google with anything
My grandma keeps a book beside her computer with all of her passwords written in it. I don’t think she cares that much about security or privacy.
@JuxtaposedJaguar @andrr_464 that's better than most people, j know people who don't even try remember their passwords and just do forget password everytime
My dad uses it a lot. He has access to Google Drive, his blog, and email, and that’s all he really needs. It “Just Works” and gets out of his way. He used to be a huge Microsoft fanboy and adamant that he needed Office, but now he just uses his Chromebook and is happy.
Sure, he could be using some Linux flavor, but what would he gain? He doesn’t need anything outside of the browser, so ChromeOS is perfect for him.
price is a big part in all of it i suppose
Kind of. My dad is kinda cheap, but he was willing to pay a premium for Office. He mostly switched because he hates subscription services (and that’s where Office is going), and he realized Google Docs provided the features he needed.
My dad would still be on Windows + Office today if Microsoft wasn’t pushing for a subscription-based service. So he was won over by the experience first and foremost, but the lower price certainly didn’t hurt.
A whole lot more privacy. Although that’s unfortunately not worth it for a lot of normies.
Sadly on most linux you would miss an hw accelerated chrome :-/
IDK, if he’s going to use Chrome and Google Services regardless, does Linux really offer much more privacy?
You can get a ton more privacy regardless of OS if you try, but if you just use the popular services, you can use the most locked down OS and you’ll still have privacy issues.
So I’m not going to try to push Linux on people, I’m going to encourage privacy-oriented solutions. It’s much easier to get someone to change one service they use than to change operating systems, and the services are the more important part when it comes to privacy.
I use it. I prefer the experience to Windows and I don’t have the time to properly learn Linux. I know that’s lazy and I know I am sacrificing a certain degree of privacy by being lazy, but I already use a Pixel phone so I don’t think I’ve giving away anything new. One day I will probably sit down and set up Linux on my Chromebook and have more of a tinker, I’ve done it before and I’m relatively tech savvy.
Writers use it a lot, you only need Google Docs or another web app for writing and saves to the cloud that’s it
Good good, we should be proud
Ha! I just converted two old HP laptops from ChromeOS Flex to MX Linux. A lot more useful for me…
Ah, Unknown, my favorite OS
Btw I use unknown OS!
Used be the Chinese government.
Wow it’s ALMOST got a slice of the operating system pi!
👏
and there was much rejoicing!
Penguins together strong
Tbh, Linux atm needs a good way to restore incase something goes wrong. The rule to use a USB stick and then chroot and fix is not the best idea.
A week ago I ran into issue where my Storage ran full (I was downloading+ manjaro was updating in BG) and then apparently the system didn’t boot up coz of this. It took me sometime to realise this issue and fix it.
You can’t expect an avg user to be able to perform so much.
Another incident, My friend somehow ended up in a state with no kernel installed and thus couldn’t boot up.
Manjaro is… less than stable, at least in my experience.
I wouldn’t say that tbh. Sure it has some issues, but it has been stable enough for me for the past 2+ years.
I wasn’t using my Linux system daily, so I had to update things in bulk when I would open it up. That can apparently lead to a lot of problems with Manjaro. If you used it daily, I’m not surprised you didn’t run into issues.
Yup. If you are updating on regular intervals it works pretty well.
Is Linux meant for the average user then?
Honestly, the current DEs like GNOME and KDE are at the point that they can be driven by your avg user without much efforts.
So polishing these parts of the system will really help in adoption.
Depends what the average user needs to do.
If the average user doesn’t need some specific products, yes. Gaming is not an issue anymore. You are only constrained by products that can’t run on a browser and lazy ass companies like Adobe.
That sounds like a job for btrfs snapshots, they’re provided by default in openSUSE
Cries in ext4
You can try doing an in-place conversion, here’s a guide and the official documentation, remember to BACKUP and TEST your BACKUP at least twice, if things don’t go well, you’ll be able to fall back.
If you want to avoid all the setup headache, just reinstall with btrfs by default (I suggest Fedora Silverblue or openSUSE Tumbleweed for that) of course you’ll still have to backup, just your data though, to be restored on the new system
Second suggestion for SilverBlue today. Maybe I will try it out once I have enough time on hand to backup my system and then restore.
I’ve been loving it honestly, I used to mess up my systems pretty often in a way that upgrading to new releases had to be done from the command line because of random repositories I added, so things felt unstable.
Immutable systems on the other hand are dumbass (me) proof and I can still do what I used to do with those repos in safe environments or Flatpak now that it has become so ubiquitous for packaging.
Immutability is not a must, even though I really like the philosophy, in fact, if you’re comfortable with what you have, you might be fine just converting over your current OS to btrfs.
Good luck, whichever option you try!
Thanks for informing. Will be definitely trying it.
Pretty sure this is exactly what the “immutable OS” is for, like what’s found in Fedora Silverblue (and less notably in the SteamDeck).
It essentially lets you break whatever you want in userland, but it mounts the root filesystem in read-only, and literally re-images the entire machine each update w/ the added bonus of halting and rolling back the update if any errors are detected during the update. All of which occurs “magically” behind the scenes upon shutdown, so it requires essentially little to no user interaction to manage core updates.
Also all graphical software is limited to flatpaks, so you really take out a lot of the user confusion about installing on Linux and dealing with system-specific weirdness.
Woah. Didn’t knew about this. Looks very promising.
Yeah, honestly without memeing, if it ever does happen it would probably be the causes of “the year of the linux desktop”.
A lot of distros already implement different methods to avoid this. There are already comments about a couple of methods, timeshift is another one, it’s pushed heavily by Linux Mint, for example.
I see most of these tools are more to prevent them from going broke. A GUI recovery tool which is distro-agnostic would be gold honestly .
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Let’s go!
This is the year, guise! This is definitely it!
Who tf uses chrome os
All Chromebooks come with it. They are cheap for students
I thought it was so bad that nobody unironically used it, i guess i was wrong
It’s bad if you want to do any tinkering, but is honestly the best option for primary schools and the elderly. Already locked down to the basics and fairly easy to deploy.
If you want to give it a spin, Brunch is a cool way to experience ChromeOS with android app support on the desktop.
Time to move to FreeBSD
Smh my head, Linux is too mainstream now!!! How will I be a cool hacker boy away from society if everyone else uses it!!!
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I hope people also support foss developers economically.
How is it rising so quickly, speculations as to what it is? Windows 11?