Linux Desktop reaches New All time high. 4.45%(+0.4) šŸ“ˆšŸ§ (gs.statcounter.com)
from Magnolia_@lemmy.ca to linux@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 02:02
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tux0r@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 02:22 next collapse

7.14% unknown!

The year of Plan 9 on the desktop!

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 02:25 next collapse

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jodanlime@midwest.social on 01 Aug 2024 02:27 next collapse

Can I join the club, I use 9front

timkenhan@sopuli.xyz on 01 Aug 2024 02:37 next collapse

Serious question: youā€™d use that for your daily driver?

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 02:44 next collapse

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billgamesh@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 02:47 next collapse

Are you on oftc?

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 02:49 collapse

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billgamesh@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 02:53 collapse

ah. Iā€™ve been doing linux things, but maybe iā€™ll try out gridchat next time iā€™m on 9front

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 04:44 next collapse

A rare sighting of a Plan 9 user! You need to be protected at all cost! Your species is extremely rare and important for future studies.

BTW for a moment I was upset, because I thought this is a screenshot of Reddit. I kinda like the old look of it.

antrosapien@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 08:06 next collapse

What desktop environment is that? Or is it built in by default or doesnā€™t work quite similar to linux?

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 11:11 collapse

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t0mri@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 11:58 collapse

They got a DE built in and say GNU is bloated. Foolishness

jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 Aug 2024 12:09 next collapse

I mean, leave it to us weirdos on sdf for stuff like this.

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 01 Aug 2024 15:44 collapse

Out of curiosity, do you use it for fun, or does it provide you with some specific features?

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 16:07 collapse

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nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 01 Aug 2024 16:16 next collapse

You explained it so well, that you actually got me interested in trying it some day.

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 16:23 collapse

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thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 17:49 next collapse

Bottom of site: SDF Public Access UNIX System

(this page was generated using ksh, sed and awk)

I love this!

Edit: I just noticed this. Is this a miscalculation of the time or am I in the wrong timeline?

Ā©1987-2065 SDF Public Access UNIX System, Inc. 501Ā©(7)

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 17:56 collapse

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tux0r@feddit.org on 03 Aug 2024 00:13 collapse

What happens with the Plan 9 system after the boot camp has ended? From what I can see on that site, their Plan 9 shenanigans will end by mid-September. (SDF is NetBSD-centric AFAIK.)

[deleted] on 03 Aug 2024 01:27 collapse

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tux0r@feddit.org on 03 Aug 2024 02:20 collapse

Thatā€™s not too hard, given that NetBSD is a niche in a niche. But a permanent Plan 9 server account which I do not have to keep running sounds intriguingā€¦ thank you!

tux0r@feddit.org on 02 Aug 2024 16:49 collapse

I wish someone would port Python and BorgBackup to it. Venti/Fossil are not quite as nice for multi-OS backups.

[deleted] on 02 Aug 2024 17:37 collapse

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tux0r@feddit.org on 02 Aug 2024 22:25 collapse

Venti/Fossil are awesome for a Plan 9 network. Sadly, the world isnā€™t Plan 9. TIL about gefs though.

tux0r@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 02:51 collapse

Surprisingly many people donā€™t need the ā€œmodernā€ ā€œwebā€ for daily driving.

Laser@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 10:49 collapse

One of the few times I think where this is not only correct, but also most accurate

frezik@midwest.social on 01 Aug 2024 12:09 next collapse

GNU HURD remains ignored.

tux0r@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 14:41 collapse

Good.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 16:03 next collapse

plan9.io/plan9/

I unironically would use it

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 16:17 next collapse

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lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 01 Aug 2024 17:35 collapse

9front.org

It says ā€œTHE PLAN FELL OFFā€ and ā€œDO NOT INSTALLā€, everything OK over there?

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 17:39 collapse

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tux0r@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 20:41 collapse

Please do. Why donā€™t you yet?

eugenia@lemmy.ml on 02 Aug 2024 15:16 collapse

The ā€œunknownā€ is Windows. If you change the graph to see the whole range from 2008 to date, you will see that whenever thereā€™s a big spike or dip on Unknown, itā€™s the exact opposite for Windows.

tux0r@feddit.org on 02 Aug 2024 16:45 collapse

Thanks for ruining it for me.

itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 02:59 next collapse

Why is it OS X but Windows doesnā€™t specify which number?

kionite231@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 03:05 next collapse

They are referring to macOS here

tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net on 01 Aug 2024 08:47 collapse

OS/X is just short for Mac OS X, which is what they call their desktop OS.

princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Aug 2024 12:54 collapse

Not anymore.

independantiste@sh.itjust.works on 01 Aug 2024 03:11 next collapse

Il feels like every month that passes Linux keeps breaking all time highs! So exciting

Solaris1789@jlai.lu on 01 Aug 2024 03:19 next collapse

FREEBSD >0.009% RAAAAAH šŸ‘¹šŸ‘¹šŸ‘¹šŸ’ŖšŸ’ŖšŸ’ŖšŸ’ŖšŸ’ŖšŸ¦¾šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 16:00 collapse

BSD is dying

It is sad but we build up Linux so we have a libre privacy and freedom alternative

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 03:53 next collapse

Hmm is this really happening so fast? Itā€™s a little hard to believe.

ulkesh@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 03:56 next collapse

I suspect itā€™s a bump due to Windows Recall. I know I fully switched because of it after 25 years of off and on the Linux Desktop. And I will not be going back.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 04:00 next collapse

I suspect itā€™s a bump due to Windows Recall.

I donā€™t believe it that much. It may just be the Steam Deckā€™s financial success. But everything is possible.

ulkesh@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 04:07 next collapse

Maybe not, but, anecdotally, I know of a number of people who have made the switch because of Recall. Steam Deck surely adds to it, but people who have the choice to stop using Windows seem to be doing so.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 04:09 collapse

Maybe not, but, anecdotally, I know of a number of people who have made the switch because of Recall.

Tbh I donā€™t get it. Wasnā€™t this feature only on Copilot+ PCs that almost nobody had? Why did so many switch if it wasnā€™t even confirmed that itā€™s coming to regular x86 machines? I always find it extremely weird.

RanceMcGrew@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 04:34 next collapse

Microsoft showed their hand and for some it was the last straw. It might not come to non-copilot pcs (for now) but they showed users they are OK with turning the OS into spyware.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 04:38 collapse

Imo Windows is not even an OS anymore.

RanceMcGrew@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 04:43 collapse

Agreed. Itā€™s mostly an ad delivery platform these days. Can be somewhat OK if you have a DNS based blocker but hard to block built in spyware.

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 04:39 collapse

Why did so many switch if it wasnā€™t even confirmed that itā€™s coming to regular x86 machines?

Panic.

drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Aug 2024 09:20 collapse

Or they see the writing on the wall

RanceMcGrew@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 04:32 next collapse

100% switched because of Recall. Been a Linux user on and off for 20 years, windows was my daily driver for the past 5 or so (windows 10 was OK in my mind). Once Recall was announced, I bounced back to Linux. Having Steam popularize gaming on Linux has helped a ton

imecth@fedia.io on 01 Aug 2024 05:16 next collapse

Considering this is browser stats I doubt the steam deck has much to do with it, the steam deck is all about never opening anything other than steam.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 06:59 collapse

Are you sure Steam is not one of the data suppliers for it though?

plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 Aug 2024 08:09 next collapse

I wasnt thrilled about upgrading to win11 - it adds an irritating layer of stuff that I didnt want or need. The ads and telemetry bugged me too. I was probably going to reluctantly upgrade at some point though.

But then recall was announced and I realised how much worse it could get. Been really happy with the switch to Linux.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 08:21 collapse

What distro do you use?

plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org on 01 Aug 2024 15:19 collapse

Mint cinnamon 21, then upgraded to 22.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 15:26 collapse

Great choice

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 01 Aug 2024 15:51 collapse

Steam deck alone isnā€™t much. Itā€™s not even popular in a lot of places in the world. But there are a lot of things happening in the market, and each small factor adds up to a general trend. So, thereā€™s no single factor that we can point that will explain the linux growth in marketshare.

[deleted] on 01 Aug 2024 04:31 collapse

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Magnolia_@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 06:33 next collapse

Yes, things move very fast if you havenā€™t noticed sugar pie

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 06:59 collapse

Sus

Valmond@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 08:05 next collapse

Thatā€™s what she said

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 08:12 next collapse

Yes, although itā€™s not evenly distributed. Much of this rise is due to India doing some heavy lifting - theyā€™re on like 16%, and theyā€™re not exactly a small population.

Most places are in the 1.5-3.5% range.

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 08:20 next collapse

Even 3.5% is quite a lot imo.

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 08:53 collapse

Indeed it is. But this is also calculated based on monthly page views, so it only really covers devices that are used in that month.

Thereā€™s a non-trivial amount of Windows users that have a dusty laptop that they only pull out when they need to write a document or fill in a form that they got emailed, and will otherwise do all their computing on their phone.

My guess would be that Mac and Linux have fewer of these types of users? But who knows. I have a couple of Linux devices that I almost never use šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 09:05 collapse

Iā€™ve seen many people having Linux on such devices so idk either.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 15:58 collapse

You should go to your local university or knowledge center. The percentage is like 10%-20%

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 01 Aug 2024 15:48 collapse

Thereā€™s some kind of network effect associated to it, so the greater the numbers, the more likely to grow even more, and faster. For example, when linux was used only by a very few people in IT, most people were unlikely to even give it a try, but now that every class or working group are likely to have one or two linux users, more people will be likely to try it, and so on.

Beaver@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 03:53 next collapse

Time to speak to our representatives to switch to Linux Systems as Switzerland did for cyber security and for fiscal responsibility.

We must not fall behind that smart country once again.

imsodin@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 09:09 collapse

What?! All that noise about Switzerland mandating usage of open sourced software in gov (there was a great step, but itā€™s far from mandating anything) was already weird, now we are switching to linux? And caring about security and fiscal responsibility? There has to be another country called Switzerland than the one I live in.

boonhet@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 09:59 collapse

Youā€™re right, I believe the only thing Switzerland mandated (or wants to mandate?) is for projects built FOR the government to be open sourced - and even then, there are exemptions.

Of course, unlike you, I donā€™t live in Switzerland, so Iā€™m probably not as informed.

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 04:01 next collapse

Is someone kind enough to post a screenshot of the stats? I canā€™t access it, because its a known tracking site and get blocked by the plugins.

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 04:26 collapse

Okay, I have bit the bullet and made an exception to provide screenshots myself:

<img alt="" src="https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/bffb02a9-c070-4dea-9ecf-d8259282b254.webp"> <img alt="" src="https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/e1d1e34d-59d2-4ee2-8bfa-6c40954f3034.webp">

tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net on 01 Aug 2024 08:45 next collapse

Thanks for your service, comrade.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 15:57 next collapse

I wonder what happened to OS X

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 16:33 collapse

It does not mean that something happened with MacOS / OS X. If it stays the same and everyone else gets bigger, then the same gets smaller relatively speaking. Look at the dip for OS X in Nov 2023. Looks like almost the same amount of up for Windows. Also Chrome OS went a bit down and Unknown went up, only Linux stays the same.

So either something in their software changed or it was really a phase of people buying new computers and changing their OS. For a fact, I also build my PC in Nov 2023 (but stayed on Linux). Maybe that was a time of new hardware or lower prices, donā€™t remember exactly.

ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 16:12 collapse

Next time try out visiting the page through archive.org

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 16:22 collapse

I didnā€™t think of it, because I always think or archive.org as older pages/versions. The problem is, is it updated to current? Itā€™s a big site, so probably it will be. Good idea, Iā€™ll check that next time through archive.org.

ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 20:42 collapse

You can always* request a new archive of a website. If you log in (warning: it has to load google code at least when registering) you can also request a screenshot (which I donā€™t know how you find later on, but right after you get a link) and recursive archiving with a depth of 1.
Interactive elements remain interactive nowadays, but it has limitations.

In some cases archive.today is worth a try too. It has workarounds for e.g. facebook, or at least in the past it had a fake account to be able to save facebook content.
But this one loads whatever code from yandex, so if thatā€™s problematic for you be sure to block it. uMatrix is best for that task, probably uBO can do it too, the Firefox version I mean.

These sites are basically my ā€œremote browserā€, and often itā€™ll be even useful for others that I requested an archive. Quite often Iā€™m requesting the first one.

* mostly, but you canā€™t if the site was very recently archived, like in 30 minutes. Then there are some sites that are blacklisted for some reason but not much.

rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com on 01 Aug 2024 04:07 next collapse

Cool. My wife switched to LMDE yesterday, so that's one more into the fold.

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 01 Aug 2024 17:51 collapse

If only MS Office worked well on Linux, due to her muscle memory, my wife wouldā€™ve switched to Fedora for her laptop. Aside from light gaming (Sims 4, mostly), sheā€™s not a tech-person at all, so thatā€™s saying something in my book!

rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com on 01 Aug 2024 20:54 collapse

She might adjust to LibreOffice, it borrows heavily from the MS Office UI. I think it's also available on Windows if she wants to try it before switching. Sims 4 works great on Linux too.

xavier666@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 04:41 next collapse

Sorry but Linux is becoming too mainstream for me now. Time to hop on to BSD

Valmond@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 08:01 next collapse

Oh no, I feel it already the ā€œI was on Linux before it was coolā€

onlooker@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 09:12 next collapse

Check out mister Mainstream over here. The rest of us snooty OS connoisseurs use Collapse OS.

carlosfm@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 10:27 collapse

Dragonfly BSD, or else it will still be mainstream :)

original_reader@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 05:01 next collapse

How do I hide which OS I am using? What is behind the high Unknown number?

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 05:10 next collapse

Every browser has a description like ā€œMozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 8.1.0; SM-T580) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/74.0.3729.157 Safari/537.36ā€ called User Agent. You can set this value to something else, but be careful. If you set it to something that does not exist, then it makes it more likely to be identifiable. Or some things could potentially not work right if it expects a specific operating system, in example when downloading files. Usually not a big deal.

So ultimately you want to set this value to something that exist and something that is used by many people. There are addons which can make this process much easier or even change it automatically after some time period in example.

Chameleon at sereneblue.github.io/chameleon/ is such an addon for the browser. There are lot of other alternatives, I used a few of them in the past, but stopped using them because there was here and there trouble. If you do, I recommend to install this addon from the addon store of your browser and not from the website, but that is just my personal recommendation.

original_reader@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 05:55 collapse

Thanks. So what is measured is merely the browsers people are using? Then I can see why the metrics are more general ballparks than precise measurements, seeing that the user agent can be modified with ease.

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 06:01 next collapse

The question is, if they only evaluate the User Agent? This is an organization specialized into statistics, they know it can be modified too. The ad industry tries to track you and find out everything about you despite these modifications. Donā€™t underestimate them!

original_reader@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 07:47 collapse

Fair enough. They still donā€™t know what >7% of people are using, though.

GoodEye8@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 09:31 collapse

That 7% might not even be people. It could be bots doing HTTP requests and throwing garbage in the user-agent.

princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Aug 2024 12:53 collapse

No? It says Linux/Android not far into it.

Agility0971@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 05:41 collapse

Use user agent switcher and set it to something random. However that makes your fingerprint unique. Iā€™ve read that people set it to windows just to blend in the masses

mukt@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 05:06 next collapse

Is the data of specific distros available somewhere ?

bsergay@discuss.online on 01 Aug 2024 05:50 collapse

Unsurprisingly, usage numbers for distros are hard to get due to lack of telemetry and what not.

However, some measurements do exist; like data from ProtonDB. These are used by Boiling Steam for their excellent reports in which some representation regarding usage across distros can be found. Their most recent report can be found here.

Note, however, that the following, as has been excellently touched upon by Boiling Steam, applies:

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS

Since we hear some of the following comments EVERY SINGLE TIME, letā€™s address them here and now:

  • ā€œDuh, itā€™s not representative of Linux usage in general!ā€: And nowhere does it claim to be. As often as possible we make it clear this is Linux usage in a gaming context. The usage of Debian and Ubuntu on servers is safe for now, no need to panic.
mukt@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 14:56 collapse

Thank you. This does give an idea.

Follow up question : Is Arch really that good?

bsergay@discuss.online on 01 Aug 2024 21:32 next collapse

Thank you. This does give an idea.

It has been my pleasure.

Follow up question : Is Arch really that good?

Depends entirely on your needs. There is a use case for Arch. However, if youā€™re completely new to Linux, then itā€™s very likely that a ā€˜slowerā€™-moving distro (like (anything based on) Debian (or Ubuntu)) might better suit you.

[deleted] on 02 Aug 2024 10:02 collapse

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sag@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 06:03 next collapse

Cool

BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works on 01 Aug 2024 06:22 next collapse

Nobody using TempleOS? =(

THE LORD NEEDS NO NETWORKING!!! THE LORD IS THE NETWORK!

superkret@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 06:45 next collapse

If you pray hard enough, the Lord will make the websites appear on your screen!

sunzu@kbin.run on 01 Aug 2024 11:21 collapse

U glowing

jimmy90@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 06:40 next collapse

FFS! CHROMEOS IS F***ING LINUX, G** D***IT, WHYYY YOU DO THIS, ITā€™S LINUX, C***** ON A BIKE!

fernlike3923@sh.itjust.works on 01 Aug 2024 07:02 next collapse

Cockin on a bike? What did you write there?

Ferris@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 07:21 collapse

C*****! THAT COMMON SWEAR WE HAVE AMONG US CHRISTIAN PEOPLE THAT WE CANT SAY, DUH

Default_Defect@midwest.social on 01 Aug 2024 08:32 collapse

Why use the words if youā€™re just gonna censor them?

jimmy90@lemmy.world on 04 Aug 2024 13:01 collapse

i think i was parodying my own indignant rage

hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz on 01 Aug 2024 06:51 next collapse

That FreeBSD club looks pretty good. Thereā€™s a niche for every niche.

jaypatelani@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 09:38 collapse

NetBSD needs some love too šŸš©

superminerJG@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 06:54 next collapse

soon we will reach the magic number companies need to finally consider supporting Linux for once

Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Aug 2024 10:31 collapse

What is that magic number?

vithigar@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 14:42 next collapse

Always 5% higher than it currently is.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 15:54 collapse

100%

olafurp@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 06:58 next collapse

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

Beaver@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 07:31 next collapse

Weā€™re gonna hit that 5%

menemen@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 10:42 next collapse

It is kinda crazy. Been using Linux since 2005 or 2006 on my desktop/notebook. I cannot believe we are almost mainstream now.

schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de on 01 Aug 2024 11:28 collapse

Now that we do so many things through a browser and WebKit/Blink (which run everywhere) have become the de facto standard browser engines, the OS no longer matters as much as it used to.

oo1@lemmings.world on 01 Aug 2024 21:41 collapse

going to surpass ā€˜unknownā€™ any year now. itā€™s happening.

https://invidious.reallyaweso.me/watch?v=qK5nqmHz0UA

sunzu@kbin.run on 02 Aug 2024 01:00 collapse

Yes

Nikki@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 07:37 next collapse

im doing my part šŸ’Ŗ

switched to arch a week or so ago, absolutely loving it

SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 12:47 collapse

Iā€™m doing my part

Linux Mint here. Soon to switch to a more ā€œmanualā€ distro.

amazing_stories@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:04 next collapse

I canā€™t think of time where I needed anything more than Mint for a desktop. Itā€™s been on at least one device in my house since 2010.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:26 collapse

The only real reason to switch to another distro nowadays is because you want to get updates faster (rolling release [like Arch] vs steady releases) and/or you want the ability to customize the OS more easily. Also, if you wanna be that person that wants to remove SystemD from Linux or have a version controlled OS.

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 01 Aug 2024 17:46 next collapse

Or if youā€™re sold on the hype of atomic distros (such as Fedora Kionite)

Or if youā€™re sold on reproducable OS configuration (Nix)

Or if you simply like the defaults of another distro better and donā€™t want to have to deviate from standards.

Orā€¦

Nah, thereā€™s still a lot of variety to Linux systems.

SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 21:41 collapse

I like mint cause it stays out ofy way for literally everything.

Mwa@thelemmy.club on 01 Aug 2024 07:49 next collapse

We are so back

embed_me@programming.dev on 02 Aug 2024 15:32 collapse

I never left the party

Mwa@thelemmy.club on 02 Aug 2024 16:18 collapse

Reference to my server lol

0x0@programming.dev on 01 Aug 2024 08:10 next collapse

Thank you Windows 11!

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 08:16 next collapse

So like 6% if you class ChromeOS as Linux (which it essentially is, just with a proprietary DE)

Then 7% unknown, youā€™d imagine a disproportionate amount of those would be Linux users, who are more likely to have unusual useragents or things that mess with telemetry. But who knows.

sparky@lemmy.federate.cc on 01 Aug 2024 09:08 next collapse

Windows 11 is a strong motivator. I suspect like many other people, the only reason I was keeping Windows around was gaming. But thanks to Proton and the Steam Deck, the number of games in my library that wonā€™t run on Linux is vanishingly small. I deleted my Windows partition a few months ago and havenā€™t looked back.

Install Linux or buy a Mac, fuck Windows.

fxdave@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 09:19 next collapse

Donā€™t buy a Mac. Thatā€™s more limiting than a Windows. But yeah install linux.

boonhet@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 09:56 collapse

More limited, but also less enshittified than Windows.

If you want a good, well-polished experience for certain creative workloads, or even programming, MacOS is great and their Apple Silicon CPUs are excellent.

If you want to do ANY gaming besides WoW (which surprisingly enough has always had great MacOS support) or you canā€™t stand the lack of configurability, Linux is immediately the superior choice by far.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 12:38 next collapse

The whole business model of Apple is to force a hardware upgrade cycle on you and force all your devices to be in that same ecosystem.

I mean, I can see the advantages of it on the short term, but on the longer term having stuff that keeps on working even as always even in older hardware (or you just install new hardware under it and it just recognizes it and keeps on working) is a massive benefit versus a $1500+ bill every two five years and having to migrate your stuff.

Rexios@lemm.ee on 02 Aug 2024 10:58 collapse

Itā€™s more like 6-7 years and the migration tool basically clones your drive in 15 minutes

Zetta@mander.xyz on 01 Aug 2024 15:16 next collapse

I would like to add that if you want to do any real customization of your setup donā€™t get mac either.

boonhet@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 15:50 collapse

Oh definitely

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:22 collapse

Even though I do hate Apple as a company, they do make great products, they just charge out the ass for them

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 01 Aug 2024 17:38 collapse

Nah, even their hardware consists out of laptops with screen protection falling off, phones bending themselves into breakage and cables with the sensitive connectors on the outside so theyā€™ll break often.
Their OS is surprisingly buggy, too.

Theyā€™re actually just shit all around, in my experience.

LeFantome@programming.dev on 03 Aug 2024 22:06 collapse

I dislike Apple as a company but I love Apple hardware. Old Macs are my favourite thing to run Linux on.

sunbeam60@lemmy.one on 01 Aug 2024 09:48 next collapse

Mac?! Christ no, thatā€™s doing the opposite of liberating yourself and it has less gaming than Linux Iā€™d say.

Xuderis@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 12:27 next collapse

It does. Gaming on mac is a pain. Gaming on linux is a much better experience, and has much better support at this point. Apple really alienates developers.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Aug 2024 13:02 next collapse

I donā€™t think ā€œliberatingā€ your machine is the reason people are just now getting mad at windows.

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 01 Aug 2024 17:41 collapse

  • ā€œI canā€™t choose when to update, anymoreā€
  • ā€œI canā€™t uninstall all sorts of things, anymoreā€
  • ā€œI canā€™t even use my perfectly fine laptop of 6 years old, anymoreā€

Itā€™s all about liberation, Iā€™d say.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Aug 2024 21:14 collapse

ā€œI canā€™t choose when to update, anymoreā€

That changed with windows 8 12 years ago.

ā€œI canā€™t uninstall all sorts of things, anymoreā€

Unless you installed the embedded versions of windows youā€™ve never been able to do that, best you could do was turn like 5 things off in the features screen.

ā€œI canā€™t even use my perfectly fine laptop of 6 years old, anymoreā€

I wouldnā€™t call your computer not getting updates so you install a different OS ā€œliberatingā€ it.

Also your computer not getting updates doesnā€™t magically turn it into a brick, you can still use it just fine. This is something Iā€™ve never understood. As long as your web browser still gets updates thatā€™s the biggest security vulnerability that Iā€™d be afraid of. Chrome supported Windows 7 until 109 in 2023, and Firefox ESR is still going until September this year. 10th gen and older intel machines donā€™t get graphics updates anymore, are those machines ewaste? Shit some shitty laptops never get bios updates and thereā€™s a whole host of vulnerabilities there.

MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip on 02 Aug 2024 06:34 next collapse

And not to mention specific equipment such as train management that uses Windows XP, Windows 98 or 95. Just one example.

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 03 Aug 2024 12:42 collapse

That changed with windows 8 12 years ago.

Oh yeah, itā€™s been a gradual process.

sparky@lemmy.federate.cc on 01 Aug 2024 14:07 collapse

I didnā€™t mean for gaming specifically, probably should have used a transition statement. For creative and professional use cases, macOS is still far far better than Windows. For gaming yeah thatā€™s not your platform, Linux is.

northmaple1984@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 11:21 next collapse

Gaming works pretty damn well as far as Iā€™m concerned, the few that I canā€™t get to work are irrelevant.

Iā€™m keeping Windows around for workā€¦ fuck Autodesk and fuck Dassault. So I am trying to get a VM with GPU pass through to work (had it working once but then I screwed it up and now I canā€™t seem to get it working again).

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 12:31 next collapse

Having done the transition some months ago, there is still some stupid shit one has to deal with (especially, but not only, for games NOT from Steam) at times, more than in Windows, but itā€™s all so much better than it was before and by now quite close to the Gaming experience in Windows.

Then on top of that there are all the the longer term peace of mind things versus Windows: upgrading your Linux costs zero, changing your hardware wonā€™t invalidate your Linux ā€œOEM Licenseā€ (plus it will probably just boot up as normal with if you just move your SSD to a whole new machine rather than throw you into driver nightmare), games that work in todayā€™s Linux will keep on working in tomorrowā€™s and so on - this is actually massive advantage of Linux versus Windows which is seldom talked about: more often than not, hardware migration with Linux is to just move your SSD to a whole new machine, with all the stuff just the way you like it and all you files, and it just boots with and keeps on working.

(PS: Especially relevant for gamers who have to upgrade due to the increasing demands on hardware from the gaming side of things even though the hardware is fine for everything else they do in that machine, and who would rather that all those other things theyā€™ve installed and kept on using rather than uninstall after ā€œfinishing the gameā€, just carry on configured just the way they like it and working just the way theyā€™ve always did, even when they do upgrade the hardware because of games. People who are fine with hardware dedicated to gaming and with replacing the whole thing - hardware and software - for newer games, just get XBoxes or similar consoles, not PCs)

Linux not only saves you from enshittification, keeps control in your hands and preserves your privacy, itā€™s also a reliable and functional long term OS layer for your hardware that doesnā€™t force hardware upgrades on you.

OR3X@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 13:06 collapse

I dicked around with the VM route for a while and could never really get it working 100% to my liking. There was always a trade-off. I ended up just getting a second PC and tucking it in a cabinet out of sight. When I need Windows I just use remote desktop to connect to it.

NutWrench@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 13:07 next collapse

Same here. If I could get Vortex Mod Manager to work under Wine/Proton, I wouldnā€™t use Windows at all.

WilfordGrimley@linux.community on 01 Aug 2024 14:25 next collapse

Nexus Mods is working on an AppImage version of their mod manager that works perfectly in my testing.

Currently it only supports Stardew Valley and Cyberpunk i think.

Iā€™m excited for it to have parity with Windows Vortex.

lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 15:17 next collapse

Give it a shot again, something changed recently in Proton (I assume) that made Vortex ā€œjust workā€ for me on my Steam Deck. I didnā€™t even need to do any fiddling, I just ran the installer exe from desktop mode using Lutris and whatever Proton was latest, and it installed perfectly. Vortex now runs entirely as expected, even from game mode.

solberg@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Aug 2024 15:41 next collapse

What games are you using it for? Iā€™ve used Mod Organizer 2 for Skyrim SE and itā€™s worked great on the deck

NutWrench@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:46 next collapse

I checked out Mod Organizer 2 recently, but it didnā€™t support Subnautica the last time I tried it. I only use mods for a few games, line Stardew Valley and the Fallout games.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:18 collapse

Really? The last few times Iā€™ve tried (granted it was a year or more ago) I got like 15 FPS on a heavy modlist running on my desktop, which had a GTX 2080 and was running Arch, btw. Trying to get MO2 to launch the Linux version of Skyrim running via Steam/Proton and not the Windows version of Steam running through WINE was a fun mess to deal with. Once all that was handled, then half of the modding programs (xEdit, Nemesis, BodySlide, etcā€¦) didnā€™t work with MO2s virtual FS. It was just way too many layers of abstraction to deal with šŸ¤Æ

solberg@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 02 Aug 2024 06:16 collapse

Yes, really haha. I donā€™t think I would consider the mod list I used heavy, at least not graphically. I didnā€™t use any of those programs you mentioned.

Trying to get MO2 to launch the Linux version of Skyrim running via Steam/Proton and not the Windows version of Steam running through WINE was a fun mess to deal with

I recall using some sort of script that installed MO2 and handled all of this (at least for the Steam Deck).

Either way, I hope their new cross-platform launcher works out well.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 03 Aug 2024 10:09 collapse

Nice, thanks Iā€™ll give it a try again because Windows 10 is really pissing me off regarding how practically anything that you used to be able to easily disable now requires one or multiple registry hacks that may or may not work anymore.

I totally understand you not giving all that a try because while it is a handheld Linux PC, itā€™s probably more of a pain in the ass to use on that screen and with the standard input (obviously docking it would solve these issues) than itā€™s worth. I just keep Windows on my Desktop to play a few games, my home server is my workhorse and I have a Linux laptop that work gave me (literally, they laid me off and never asked for it back).

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:14 collapse

Vortex should be easy to get working, it probably just needs the Dot Net and Visual C libraries installed, which I think you can get via Wine Tricks.

netvor@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 14:25 next collapse

the number of games in my library that wonā€™t run on Linux is vanishingly small

at this point, itā€™s pretty much only about Roblox.

ā€¦which I donā€™t want to play, Iā€™m not happy about my nephews playing, but that seems like the only big one which really continues to struggle on Windows.

edit: thatā€™s from my limited POV, as someone who loves gaming but i donā€™t follow or try out big new titles, Iā€™m pretty much happy with my 30 favs, trying out like 5 new games a year, usually older or indie titles.

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:26 next collapse

Roblox is about the only reason why I canā€™t switch my kidā€™s computer to Linux, they play almost exclusively that and Minecraft. Once win10 goes EOL, Iā€™ll probably start budgeting to replace my laptop with a new PC and give them the laptop. The old PC will then get Linux and handle 3d printer stuffs

netvor@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:49 collapse

I might be out of date but for a long time my 2 nephews (10 and 13, cousins to each other) have been playing Blox Fruits, which I understand is pretty much a standard ā€œgrindā€ MMORPG. (Which I donā€™t necessarily find that bad; having to put a lot of work in a character and seeing it grow slowly and steadily can be a lesson.) I like how they are having fun trying to coordinate and take out a boss together (sometimes dying all the time), but I suppose other games can give that, perhaps even better-looking ones and certainly ones made by less shady companies. (Oh, and actually working on Linux/steam deck)

So I was wondering if there are other games that I could introduce them to, if only to remind them that world outside Roblox exists. I never played any MMORPGā€™s (or pretty much anything multi-player, except Minecraft/Terraria/etc. with the kids) so Iā€™m out of the picture. Iā€™ve only tried few in my life and never stuck for long.

Albion Online seemed child-like enough, albeit a little boring for my taste. One I really enjoyed recently is Path of Exile (and I it looks more than good enough to be hard to resist for a kid), but who knows ā€“ is that safe for 10 to 13 year oldsā€¦?

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 01 Aug 2024 17:43 collapse

at this point, itā€™s pretty much only about Roblox.

Itā€™s Honkai: Star Rail for me.

Petty as it may seem, Iā€™ll begrudgingly dual boot Win10 until H:SR is playable on Linux.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:12 next collapse

Literally the only reason I keep Windows around is because modding Skyrim (using MO2, not Vortex) is a nightmare. I use Wabbajack as well, so the idea of installing 500+ mods manually in Vortex doesnā€™t sound ideal, also since Vortexā€™s conflict management is an absolute nightmare compared to MO2ā€™s.

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 18:06 collapse

Iā€™m Linux user since 2008 and as much as I want to agree with you, I canā€™t. Even if Mac is much closer to Linux with its BSD roots, I probably would choose Windows over Mac. Why? Because Windows is much more open and less restrictive than OS X. And there is the support and compatibility of Steam games (and games in general) in Windows. The hardware repair ability is terrible on Apple too.

Yes, Microsoft is bad, Windows is bad; so is Apple and OS X. I personally canā€™t live with the restrictions Apple has.

fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 09:20 next collapse

Would be interesting to know how much of that the steam deck is

menemen@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 10:39 next collapse

It is not a steam user percentage, but according to the site by user data from web pages, it explicitly mentions search engines and social media. I doubt that the steam deck is extremely significant here.

theangryseal@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 12:54 collapse

Iā€™ve been docking mine and using it as my primary pc. The only issue Iā€™ve had is that I was able to play CSGO perfectly, and CS2 donā€™t do so good.

Blisterexe@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 21:22 collapse

i hear its great for that, but you are the exception.

theangryseal@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 21:35 collapse

Oh yeah, people who need more power definitely want something else. Itā€™s all I need really. Iā€™m about to inherit my daughterā€™s old gaming laptop though so Iā€™m not sure what Iā€™ll do then. Definitely Linux with a small partition for windows to play some VR games. Iā€™d say Iā€™ll still use the Steam deck for most things though because itā€™s so portable.

Blisterexe@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 21:51 collapse

Why a windows partition for vr? Vr works on linux

theangryseal@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 23:36 collapse

Well, I guess I wonā€™t need one then. Hardware is a bit older but if I can get the same performance Iā€™ll avoid the windows partition.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:29 collapse

Yeah, these results are skewed because itā€™s only desktop Linux, so mobile devices (which I believe the Steam Deck and other portable PCs/gaming devices fall under) arenā€™t counted, and those primarily run Linux. It seems that the foothold of Linux never was, and probably never will be, the desktop PC.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 12:19 next collapse

At this rate the Year Of Linux On The Desktop will be 2033!!!

HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Aug 2024 14:34 next collapse

2033!!! = At least 16

Aermis@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 14:48 collapse

Call me naive, I know I am. But how can Linux be a moderated product to sell for desktop? I know phones run Linux, and many other products like streaming pucks run Linux (or is called unix?), but what would it take for an operating linux system to be centralized into a package to toss into a lenova laptop youā€™re staring at in best buy?

Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:08 next collapse

One way to do it is for each company to develop their own flavor to ship with their laptop, in much the same way phone manufacturers just modify Android and ship it.

As an example, check out System76 and their laptops featuring their Pop!_OS distro, which is very user friendly and stable in my experience.

rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio on 01 Aug 2024 15:20 next collapse

how can Linux be a moderated product to sell for desktop

It kinda depends on each individualsā€™ use case; thereā€™s lots of different Linux distributions that are better (or worse) for specific workloads.

Any given laptop Iā€™m staring at in a store will probably work perfectly fine as a general-use machine with Linux Mint installed. This is my go-to distro when repurposing a machine because it works great out of the box. If I were running a computer store and wanted to sell consumer laptops with Linux on them, Iā€™d default to Mint.

If someone is looking to turn their PC into something more specialized for gaming, they can look at something like Bazzite or Batocera. These will generally require some tinkering.

If an individual or company is looking to build an office with many workstations and user accounts, they might consider Red Hat Enterprise Linux so they can benefit from official support channels if something needs troubleshooting. Many computer labs at NCSU used RHEL when I attended many years ago.

Want a stable server environment? Debian is a standard pick.

Want a barebones system with no bells and whistles (but great battery life)? Alpine oughta work.

So Linux has many options for end users to pick from, which can be seen as a good thing (more options is generally good), but also a bad thing (many end users might consider the plethora of options to be overwhelming if theyā€™ve never used Linux before).

Linux (or is called unix?)

Linux (Or GNU/Linux) operating systems are a modern implementation of an old research OS that was called ā€œUnixā€. Spiritual successors to Unix like Linux and BSD try to bring a lot of the design philosophies of Unix into modern OSes (I believe this is generally called the ā€œPOSIXā€ standard. e.g.: macOS is a POSIX compliant OS, iirc).

If Iā€™ve gotten any of this information incorrect, please donā€™t tell Richard Stallman.

cmlael67@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:54 next collapse

This is the greatness of Linux. Instead of having to change your workflow to be compatible with your OS, you can change your OS to be compatible with your workflow.

Aermis@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 13:36 collapse

So if you did open a computer shop and are selling this plethora of Linux options, doesnā€™t that leave you liable if there are issues with the operating system?

If I buy a laptop and my windows is running poorly donā€™t I have windows support taking care of my windows problems?

If I buy a laptop from you with mint installed and am having problems I canā€™t contact Linux for support, Iā€™ll have to contact you the shop owner.

Wonā€™t this liability discourage shop owners from selling laptops/desktops with Linux?

rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio on 02 Aug 2024 14:18 collapse

Iā€™m no legal expert; I assume support can be either offered or completely avoided depending on the shop ownerā€™s preference. Most Linux distributions come with a ā€œthis software is free (as in freedom) and comes with no warranty or guaranteed functionalityā€ disclaimer.

If I wanted to engage more with my clients and build more trust, I might offer some degree of troubleshooting/support for the Linux machines I sold. But I donā€™t think Iā€™d be under any legal obligation to offer that service just for selling the laptops.

Whether or not the computer shop offers support might affect whether or not a customer wants to shop at my store. Maybe I can sell my laptops cheaper if I donā€™t offer support, or maybe my laptops cost a bit more because I do offer aftermarket support.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:04 next collapse

Itā€™s a tough sell because there is no monetary incentive to get Linux on laptops and desktops. Dell has a few computers that ship with Ubuntu, and Lenovo with Fedora, and thereā€™s System76. The problem is that the big manufacturers (namely Dell) get push-back from Microsoft if they start to sell other OSes with their products, so they no longer have 100% domination. Microsoft will say ā€œOh youā€™re selling a few products that come with Linux? Well, we wonā€™t offer you the ability to sell Windows anymoreā€¦ā€ which would obviously be a huge impact to their business. They have gotten around this, but their offerings are still really slim. The market just isnā€™t there compared to Windows based computers. Shelf space is expensive so they go with what sells: Windows based products.

Aermis@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 13:45 collapse

Is it because Microsoft is the big dog with money and Linux is no dog because there is no company backing Linux? Windows sells solely because Windows can push the product?

Would it be benificial (albeit this will be extremely frowned upon by this community I believe) for a Linux distro to be backed and monetized via a corporation with a legal team to help push a Linux product on the shelves? In the short run itā€™s a bad idea, but in the long run itā€™ll familiarize the public, and push software developers for compatability. The incentive being that thereā€™s money now involved and it wonā€™t be a project for people.

Because right now to use Linux for the majority of user case operations youā€™d need at least computer science 101 to start installing a distro, partitions, manual software installation, to get running. Or am I wrong on this part?

Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 14:29 collapse

There are a couple of OEMs like System76 and Starlabs that sell laptops with Linux on them, provide tech support for customers and so on.

And no, installing most distros arenā€™t hard. You just click the buttons to proceed and fill out the username and password box, select your time zone and select your wi-fi network if youā€™re using wifi.

You can do manual partitioning but why would you if you donā€™t know what youā€™re doing?

Installing software in the GUI is as easy as installing software from the Microsoft Store. Just search or look around and when you see something you want, just click the Install button.

Celnert@discuss.tchncs.de on 01 Aug 2024 16:16 collapse

Some laptop manufacturers (and at least one of the larger ones) already offer Linux (Ubuntu) as a pre-installed OS. I suspect this will become more common if/when Linux becomes more popular as a mainstream desktop OS. Most likely it will still be 1 or 2 pre-selected distros though even then.

Aermis@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 13:38 collapse

Thatā€™s really cool I didnā€™t know that was an option already. How does Ubuntu and windows compare for operating system support if I have a problem with the laptop? Is the manufacturer liable for the smooth running of the operating system? Or is the owner of the operating system liable?

Celnert@discuss.tchncs.de on 03 Aug 2024 08:18 collapse

Itā€™s a good question but I honestly have no idea how that works even today with windows actually because I have not owned a laptop in 15 years. In my mind, the laptop manufacturer has to guarantee compatibility with any OS it provides but even then, some support from the OS side may be needed. The best way to handle that would be if the manufacturer started contributing to the Linux kernel and provide full driver support because then everybody wins in the long run.

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 14:34 next collapse

Iā€™m so happy.

But also liked when linux felt like a secret.

Microsoft finally did something right: they made their shitty product shitty enough for people to realize it.

andrewth09@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 14:57 collapse

But also liked when linux felt like a secret.

Donā€™t worry. You can still tap into that sweet sweet Linux elitism by running an Arch based system or a tiling window manager.

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:00 next collapse

Iā€™m sorry, can you clarify what you wrote? I read it but then got distracted by my cursor moving on its own while I was reading an article about xzutils. Perhaps I should read it again since it made no sense the first time.

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:11 next collapse

Also what the fuck is a tiling window manager? I want it!

Zetta@mander.xyz on 01 Aug 2024 15:14 collapse

Instead of having your windows float around, they perfectly snap and fill the space of the monitor depending on how many windows you have open. A new DE in alpha right now called Cosmic has both floating windows and tiling, you can change with just a toggle.

Cosmic is great so far, I run it on Fedora.

secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:24 next collapse

Oh my gosh I need this now.

Fedora? šŸ¤¢ jk

andrewth09@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 17:15 collapse

The big common ones are i3, Hyprland, or Awesome. However, there are tons out there and there is no right answers.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 02 Aug 2024 06:39 collapse

I want my windows anywhere I want them, and in Cinnamon I can snap windows to corners, o top, or bottomā€¦ Being forced to work tiled is backwards.

If as someone mentioned in Cosmic you can toggle it off and on ( and the toggle is esasily accesible, not buried in settings) Iā€™m fine with that

coldy@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 06:57 collapse

ā€œBeing forced to work tiledā€ thatā€™s the main feature of a tiling wm thoughā€¦

If you tried it for a while, youā€™d realize just how annoying floating windows really are. All that manual positioning, focus issues, getting them stuck or hidden behind other windows, etc. For big monitors, I would say tiling is just flat superior to floating windows managers.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:58 next collapse

Only if youā€™ve installed Arch itself, using a GUI is noobs.

voodooattack@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 17:11 collapse

I see your Arch and raise you a Gentoo.

iopq@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:15 next collapse

Thatā€™s old news, NixOS is the new hotness

nexussapphire@lemm.ee on 02 Aug 2024 22:35 collapse

I think Gentoo with no binaries should be the new archlinux. Iā€™ve literally used archlinux virtually unchanged outside of updates for years now. Itā€™s been trouble free outside of some minor bugs and I change my settings in the kde settings panel 90% of the time.

istanbullu@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 15:12 next collapse

The crowdstrike failure is probably helping Linux.

pete_the_cat@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:56 next collapse

This is what I was thinking when it happened. Businesses lose a shit ton of productivity and money due to Microsoft and Windows being a clusterfuck in multiple ways and they decide itā€™s time to switch to something more stable.

Doods@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 20:43 collapse

Actually, crowdstrike has a very bad record regarding this, their services even managed to break Debian servers one time.

Source: some article.

MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip on 02 Aug 2024 06:53 collapse

In fact, that failure occurred this year. Now all thatā€™s left is for macOS to have a failure with that company and the collection is complete.

Doods@infosec.pub on 02 Aug 2024 09:09 collapse

I believe BSD has more servers than macOS.

flux@lemmy.ml on 02 Aug 2024 09:19 collapse

I highly doubt businesses would have been this fast in making the switch.

istanbullu@lemmy.ml on 02 Aug 2024 17:21 collapse

It helps to move quickly when your entire infrastructure crashes.

bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 18:53 collapse

One crash will absolutely not make this big of an uptick. The amount of highly specialized software and hardware that is OS dependant means switching will only be possible when those companies, hell really entire industries, decide to move over to a more open standard soft/hardware setup. In this case, a crash is a big deal, but the IT teams get on it and fix it in a day or two.

Also, certain Linux machines were affected by the cloudstrike outage. Even less reason to switch when the alternative was effected as well.

gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org on 01 Aug 2024 15:23 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://feddit.org/pictrs/image/5b3f2ad1-24ac-49f3-821f-33f153d724d0.png">

I understand youā€™re excited, but arenā€™t you overdoing it a bit?

Magnolia_@lemmy.ca on 01 Aug 2024 15:43 next collapse

Quick give me more subs to crosspost

GreatRam@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 15:47 next collapse

linux_gaming@lemmy.world is on there twice ???

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 15:49 collapse

We need more cross posts

pyre@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:15 collapse

on Reddit I think it makes sense but on Lemmy itā€™s usually obnoxious in my experience, because itā€™s not so populated and busy, the default browsing experience already gives you posts from all overā€¦ so unless you strictly browse followed communities (which i donā€™t know if most people even do this) you end up seeing the same thing over and over.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 15:51 next collapse

I wonder if it is higher. Think about all the people using Librewolf

Dufurson@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 01 Aug 2024 15:54 next collapse

This is the year!

InternetUser2012@lemmy.today on 01 Aug 2024 16:02 next collapse

Microsoftā€™s advertising campaign for people to switch to Linux is working great.

pyre@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 16:13 next collapse

i didnā€™t need this date; i already knew this because the number of people coming up to me on the street and telling me they use Linux btw unprompted has increased noticeably.

clot27@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 16:54 next collapse

It is 16% in India, lessgo!

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 01 Aug 2024 17:26 next collapse

To the moon!!! ā”—(Ā°0Ā°)ā”› ā€¦ā—‹

Xylight@lemdro.id on 01 Aug 2024 17:30 next collapse

9 crossposts is crazy

namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev on 01 Aug 2024 17:59 next collapse

One for every current ~0.5% market share!

Blisterexe@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 21:19 collapse

with like 600 comments between them, holy moley

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 17:42 next collapse

How far down are PC sales in general though?

Is it that more people are buying Linux, or fewer Windows customers are buying new computers at all?

A few years ago, youā€™d have households with a laptop for every member of the family. Now with tablets and phones doing so much of the heavy lifting, many families are dropping to just 1 Windows or Mac laptop that mostly gathers dust.

Tryptaminev@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 17:57 next collapse

My experience is more people having those devices on top of having laptops. I donā€™t know a single person in Uni that does not have a laptop at all. At last when it comes to writing reports or thesis you just need a proper keyboard device.

Meanwhile gaming and also PC gaming has become much bigger over the years, which keeps driving computer sales.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 20:32 collapse

Believe it or not - but most people actually arenā€™t college students. Crazy, right?

Anybody in this forum isnā€™t a typical tech user.

I carry 3 laptops in my backpack (one for 8-5 job, one personal, and one for teaching night classes at the University) along with a foldable phone, a work phone, and e-ink notepad.

Between my 3 laptops, Rog Ally, 2 desktops, and some old laptops I keep around for media devices and network interfaces around the property, Iā€™ve got like 10 Windows machines in my life.

But I also know Iā€™m an outlier.

yuri@pawb.social on 01 Aug 2024 20:54 next collapse

ooh! whatā€™s the e-ink notepad, and whatā€™s your usecase like?

it seems so appealing to just have a functionally infinite notebook on hand, but iā€™ve yet to find one that could ACTUALLY replace a regular physical notebook for me.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 21:56 collapse

Boox Tab Ultra C.

Itā€™s a 10" color e-ink tablet that runs Android.

Donā€™t get the keyboard case for it - it sucks hard. Itā€™s so thick it turns it into another laptop, it types terribly, and when folded backwards so you can write it still tries taking over from the pen.

Other than that I love it.

yuri@pawb.social on 02 Aug 2024 07:03 collapse

argh thatā€™s literally the ONE that was tempting me, now I guess I GOTTA buy one! this sucks!

(thank you so much iā€™ve wanted to buy this since it came out)

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 02 Aug 2024 06:45 next collapse

Have you told your therapist?

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 02 Aug 2024 06:48 collapse

If you carry three laptops around you are definitely doing things wrong. There is no real world scenario where doing what you say you do needs 3 physical computers, and if you have a 9-5 AND teach night classes , you donā€™t have extra minutes to use your ā€œpersonalā€ laptop that day, which leads me to call bull on the carry 3 laptops thing

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 08:58 next collapse

The course I teach involves photo and video editing, which I do on my personal laptop for 2 reasons:

  1. Because I own the photos and videos I capture, the raws stay on my device.
  2. My personal laptop has a lot more horsepower
toddestan@lemm.ee on 02 Aug 2024 23:38 collapse

I can see it. My corporate work laptop is locked down with their security and monitoring software, so Iā€™m not using it for personal things, even if it is allowed for some limited things. And thereā€™s company resources that I can only access through the machines under their control, so I couldnā€™t ditch it either. And using that laptop for a second job would be a big no-no.

I can see the school laptop being similar, though my experience is that they tend to not be locked down quite as hard as the corporate machine, unless you do boneheaded things with it and piss off the schoolā€™s IT department.

So I can see the need for a personal computer, plus itā€™s always nice to keep that well separated to avoid things like incidents hooked up to a projector and screen sharing.

Psythik@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 20:19 next collapse

I used to think that Iā€™d be glued to my PC forever, but ever since getting a foldable Iā€™ve found that Iā€™m no longer reliant on computers anymore for daily tasks. Plus thereā€™s no point in eating up 300w of electricity during the summer (according to my watt meter), just to watch YouTube.

These days the only time I boot my PC is to play a game, search for a job, or make a large purchase. Iā€™m a MilleniaI, so big purchases have to be done on the big computer. The phone is more than adequate for everything else. Itā€™s not the 2010s anymore; phone screens are finally large enough now to replace a PC, and thereā€™s an Android equivalent for almost everything a computer can do.

CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 20:44 next collapse

Programming? Nah. Itā€™s a consumption device, not a creation device.

Laborer3652@reddthat.com on 01 Aug 2024 22:47 next collapse

Run Vim in termux

CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml on 02 Aug 2024 09:46 collapse

Really ainā€™t writing code in termux. I want an IDE. Why use a substandard device?

Psythik@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 10:27 collapse

Iā€™m not a programmer.

Laborer3652@reddthat.com on 01 Aug 2024 22:50 collapse

Yeah I used to think Iā€™d always need a desktop, but these days I mostly only use my phone and laptop. And considering how small desktops are getting, I can only imagine the days of the traditional desktop are numbered.

nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br on 02 Aug 2024 13:48 collapse

Both

Windows isnā€™t only losing markershare to linux, but also to android and ios. That can be seen in the chart for all OSes, also available in that site:

gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-201501ā€¦

Itā€™s also interesting to notice that linux is growing in that chart, which means that linux is really growing in popularity, and itā€™s not just an effect of the desktop market possibly shrinking or something.

Doods@infosec.pub on 01 Aug 2024 20:40 next collapse

[joke] That must be my friendā€™s laptop. [joke]

yuri@pawb.social on 01 Aug 2024 20:55 next collapse

In my head itā€™s like half a percent, 4.45% seems huge.

Blisterexe@lemmy.zip on 01 Aug 2024 21:17 next collapse

about 1/20 computers that browse the web run linux, thats pretty goofy

MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip on 02 Aug 2024 06:51 collapse

To what extent could it be acceptable?

yuri@pawb.social on 02 Aug 2024 06:59 collapse

Goofy like silly, not like unacceptable. Reckon all three of us are happy itā€™s as high as it is!

SendMePhotos@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 21:30 collapse

4.45 is huge. 0.5 is normal sized.

yuri@pawb.social on 02 Aug 2024 07:00 collapse

Huge is just about 9 times the size of normal.

spark947@lemm.ee on 01 Aug 2024 21:21 next collapse

Are steamdecks getting counted in this?

SendMePhotos@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 21:29 next collapse

Unknown

thingsiplay@beehaw.org on 01 Aug 2024 22:05 next collapse

I had a discussion about this 1 months ago: beehaw.org/post/14768525 And decided not to bring it up again. :D

My argument is, from the eyes of the website you visit, the Steam Deck user would be identified as a desktop user. Thatā€™s because the browser you are using (most likely Firefox) and the desktop environment (most likely KDE) in the Desktop mode would be seen as a desktop. In short, yes, I think Steam Deck would be counted, but only if people visit the pages in Desktop mode. So not all Steam Deck users are counted here.

spark947@lemm.ee on 02 Aug 2024 17:56 collapse

Game mode doesnā€™t have a browser. I would be interested to find out of the steamdeck sales almost directly correlate to this increase. Not that I am complaining, itā€™s a great way to use a linux desktop experience. I didnā€™t really read how these numbers were measured.

The other explanation I could think of is that linux desktop is being adopted widely in India. I donā€™t think that governmentā€™s adopting linux desktop accounts for a significant portion of the machines.

Simmy@lemmygrad.ml on 02 Aug 2024 06:57 collapse

Most likely. Steam decks are PCs.

M500@lemmy.ml on 02 Aug 2024 10:07 collapse

My work laptop is windows and I hardly use it for anything personal. I just unplug the usb-c dock from it and plug it into my steam deck and use it as my desktop. Iā€™ve done everything with it you can do on a computer.

Mio@feddit.nu on 01 Aug 2024 21:35 next collapse

I have been dual booting for some time now. Come back to windows 10 for gaming. But then I suddenly realize that the blizzard games that I play can run on Linux, and even from the same folder with the NTFS partition. I was stunned. No notable performance difference either.

I recently shows my mum that have an old Core 2 Duo that it can run Linux Mint. She said it works, and the computer shutdowns directly when I tell it to do. No more updating windows to wait for before unplugging the power cable. Still have to dual boot Windows 10 for Microsoft Office Word document compatibility and Google Picasa.

She also just have bought a new computer with Windows 11, could barely make it through the installation. So many questions and configuration needed to get rid of ads and popups in Edge. Need to evaluation Mint more before I try to dual boot it on this machine as well.

mynameisigglepiggle@lemmy.world on 01 Aug 2024 21:49 next collapse

Orā€¦ Just fuck off windows altogether?

Mio@feddit.nu on 02 Aug 2024 10:44 collapse

There is a learning curve for old people. It takes time. So dual boot is a must until then.

NutWrench@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 18:29 next collapse

This. It feels to me like driving a stick shift when youā€™ve been using an automatic transmission for years. You have to do a little more fiddling but I honestly donā€™t mind learning a new OS that isnā€™t actively working against me.

With Windows . . . on the other hand . . . every time Iā€™ve had to go ā€œunder the hoodā€ (tweak Registry settings, Config files, etc) itā€™s been to prevent Microsoft from doing something crappy to me.

Mio@feddit.nu on 02 Aug 2024 20:46 collapse

Yes, with Windows it is a fight about disabling all the new stuff they come up with. Here, you must use OneDrive if you save a file. Here, lots of ads in the start menu, nothing is installed. Or here, please try copilot+ or bing. Do you want to set bing as your startup page? If you say no, we will ask you againā€¦ A new windows update? Lets ask everything again.

LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee on 03 Aug 2024 15:39 collapse

It also doesnā€™t help that my dad still isnā€™t filly convinced Linux isnā€™t a virus/dangerous to my PC.

Mio@feddit.nu on 03 Aug 2024 17:59 collapse

He is just afraid of learning new things. Best way here is to show him how it works. Learning.

LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee on 03 Aug 2024 19:01 collapse

Oh Iā€™ve been trying. Heā€™s tech adverse in general, so the concept of open source software scares him because it means trusting others with regards to tech.

Treachery4524@lemmy.ml on 01 Aug 2024 22:35 next collapse

If you want you can try OnlyOffice, it works really well as a replacement for Office. That is if you only use Word, Excel and Powerpoint. I even convinced some Windows people to use it as its free, open source, cross platform and perhaps even easier to use at this point.

For Picasa maybe digikam? It maybe isnā€™t a perfect replacement though. You could always try to run Picasa in a VM (or maybe even wine?)

Mio@feddit.nu on 02 Aug 2024 10:42 collapse

Microsoft does not follow its own standard for doc and docx. Any other software tries to follow the standard, thus you can get different view of the document depending on what editor you use.

Picasa I think is easier to replace. Just need to relearn. Leaning towards Gwenview. VM is not an option, too complicated and slow for her. Picasa has been depricated for a long time now so it is time to move on.

elucubra@sopuli.xyz on 02 Aug 2024 06:33 next collapse

Picasa? Thatā€™s been google-bandoned for a while now. What does she use it for? Plenty of photo management tools in Linux. Darktable, Digikamā€¦

If the office alternatives in linux donā€™t cut it, and she uses Office 365, you can run it in Linux as a PWA

Mio@feddit.nu on 02 Aug 2024 20:39 collapse

Picasa because it had worked fine. And the replacement, Google photos, is not an option with storing everything in the cloud. Both Darktable and Digikam looks too advance. I think Gwenview will be a good fit. Will try later when she has the time to test. Just viewing the images in the folder, that is all that is needed.

It would be a good idea with the Office 365 but we donā€™t want things in the Cloud. If the PWA could run offline it would be a different story.

NutWrench@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 18:24 collapse

You might want to check out Libre Office. Itā€™s document compatible with MS-Office and I think it comes pre-installed on Linux Mint.

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 12:52 next collapse

Iā€™m actually gearing up to convert all of my Windows machines to Linux once the updates for 10 stop coming. This will be especially easy once the new WINE gets integrated and the few windows game apps that I use can run well on Linux.

candle_lighter@lemmy.ml on 02 Aug 2024 13:17 next collapse

whatā€™s the new wine?

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 14:41 collapse
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 04 Aug 2024 04:19 collapse

Better to do it at least a few months before end off life just in case you need to move back for some reason. The alternative is Windows 11 which is very similar to Windows 10

shalva97@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 17:41 next collapse

nice

lightscription@lemmy.world on 02 Aug 2024 22:40 next collapse

Best still rare even though potentially very user friendly and accessible.

buwho@lemmy.ml on 05 Aug 2024 21:13 collapse

Time for me to go FreeBSD i guess