giloronfoo@beehaw.org
on 05 Jan 2024 02:21
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From the picture, it’s just the context menu key with a new key cap.
lvxferre@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 03:34
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Aaaaah. I really, really wanted to complain about the excessive amount of keys.
(My comment above is partially a joke - don’t take it too seriously. Even if a new key was added it would be a bit more clutter, but not that big of a deal.)
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 05 Jan 2024 05:10
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That’s still a new key for some people. My laptop doesn’t have a context key, for example.
TommySoda@lemmy.world
on 04 Jan 2024 21:13
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I have nothing against the people that are working on AI and appreciate the work they do. However every time I see an article about a company using AI like this I just get the vibe that it’s a bunch of middle aged men trying desperately to make things like the “future” they saw when they were a kid. I’ve seen amazing implementations of AI in a lot of different ways but I’m so sick of dumb ideas like this because some guy that used to watch Star Trek as a kid wants to feel like they live in the future while piggybacking on someone else’s work. It’s like the painted tunnel in cartoons where it looks like a real tunnel but in reality it’s just a very convincing lie. And that’s all that it is. Complexity does not mean sophistication when it comes to AI and never has and to treat it as such is just a forceful way to make your ideas come true without putting in the real effort.
Sorry, I had to get that out. Also I have nothing against Star Trek and I used to watch it as a kid because my parents watched it all the time.
lvxferre@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jan 2024 21:46
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Complexity does not mean sophistication when it comes to AI and never has and to treat it as such is just a forceful way to make your ideas come true without putting in the real effort.
It’s a bit off-topic, but what I really want is a language model that assigns semantic values to the tokens, and handles those values instead of directly working with the tokens themselves. That would be probably far less complex than current state-of-art LLMs, but way more sophisticated, and require far less data for “training”.
njordomir@lemmy.world
on 04 Jan 2024 22:30
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I’m not sure I understand. Do you mean hearing codewords triggering actions as opposed to trying to understand the users intent through language? Or is are there a few more layers to this whole thing than my moderate nerd cred will allow me to understand?
Not quite. I’m focusing on chatbots like Bard, ChatGPT and the likes, and their technology (LLM, or large language model).
At the core those LLMs work like this: they pick words, split them into “tokens”, and then perform a few operations on those tokens, across multiple layers. But at the end of the day they still work with the words themselves, not with the meaning being encoded by those words.
What I want is an LLM that assigns multiple meanings for those words, and performs the operations above on the meaning itself. In other words the LLM would actually understand you, not just chain words.
kogasa@programming.dev
on 05 Jan 2024 01:24
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Semantic embeddings are a thing. LLMs “work with tokens” but they associate them with semantic models internally. You can externalize it via semantic embeddings so that the same semantic models can be shared between LLMs.
The source that I’ve linked mentions semantic embedding; so does further literature on the internet. However, the operations are still being performed with the vectors resulting from the tokens themselves, with said embedding playing a secondary role.
This is evident for example through excerpts like
The token embeddings map a token ID to a fixed-size vector with some semantic meaning of the tokens. These brings some interesting properties: similar tokens will have a similar embedding (in other words, calculating the cosine similarity between two embeddings will give us a good idea of how similar the tokens are).
Emphasis mine. A similar conclusion (that the LLM is still handling the tokens, not their meaning) can be reached by analysing the hallucinations that your typical LLM bot outputs, and asking why that hallu is there.
What I’m proposing is deeper than that. It’s to use the input tokens (i.e. morphemes) only to retrieve the sememes (units of meaning; further info here) that they’re conveying, then discard the tokens themselves, and perform the operations solely on the sememes. Then for the output you translate the sememes obtained by the transformer into morphemes=tokens again.
I believe that this would have two big benefits:
The amount of data necessary to “train” the LLM will decrease. Perhaps by orders of magnitude.
A major type of hallucination will go away: self-contradiction (for example: states that A exists, then that A doesn’t exist).
And it might be an additional layer, but the whole approach is considerably simpler than what’s being done currently - pretending that the tokens themselves have some intrinsic value, then playing whack-a-mole with situations where the token and the contextually assigned value (by the human using the LLM) differ.
[This could even go deeper, handling a pragmatic layer beyond the tokens/morphemes and the units of meaning/sememes. It would be closer to what @njordomir@lemmy.world understood from my other comment, as it would then deal with the intent of the utterance.]
Thorned_Rose@kbin.social
on 05 Jan 2024 07:05
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some guy that used to watch Star Trek as a kid wants to feel like they live in the future while piggybacking on someone else’s work.
I don't think they care about their own nostalgia. I think they ant to use other people's dreams to make a lot of money. I'm also sure some of them genuinely just ant to push the technological envelope just cause they can, ethics be damned. But ultimately, it's just money.
I would love nothing more than the utopian future Trek promised but greed is killing it.
savvywolf@pawb.social
on 04 Jan 2024 21:22
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Do people actually want this?
Like, I know the megacorps that control our lives do (since it’s a cheap way of adding value to their products), but what about actual users? I think many see it as a novelty and a toy rather than a productivity tool. Especially when public awareness of “hallucinations” and the plight faced by artists rises.
Kinda feels like the whole “voice controlled assistants” bubble that happened a while ago. Sure they are relatively commonplace nowadays, but nowhere near as universal as people thought they would be.
FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jan 2024 21:33
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Do people actually want this?
Nope. Just like those stupid hard coded buttons on my Roku remote that I have never used.
EvilMonkeySlayer@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 22:59
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I think it's those stupid hard coded buttons on my remote that I accidentally press every so often then have to repeatedly try and back/exit out of the stupid thing it launched that I cannot remove/uninstall from my tv.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 00:31
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If you can figure out how to get the remote open, you’ll probably find that the buttons are all part of the same flexible rubbery insert (unless it’s 10+ years old). Put a little tape on the bottoms of the ones causing you problems. The insulation should keep them from working, and it’s 100% reversible if you ever do find a use for them.
If it’s one of the older, more expensive remotes with individual switches, then, yeah, pliers and superglue. 😅
And it just needs to load a hasty scribbled overloaded UI that takes forever to load with no content because you don’t have an account and/or are not connected to wifi.
Awhiskeydrunker@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 21:55
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Maybe I'm a pessimist but this is going to really resonate with the people who are "looking forward to AI" because they read headlines, but haven't actually used any LLMs yet because nobody has told them how.
Uranium3006@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 22:29
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I want a voice controlled assistant that runs locally and is fully FOSS and I can just run on my bog standard linux PC, hardware minimum requirements nonwithstanding
FrostyTrichs@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 11:30
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All I want is a real life iteration of J.A.R.V.I.S. and several billion dollars so I can blurt out cool ideas and have them rendered and built in a couple hours.
I’ll be good I promise.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 13:30
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Mycroft was the best bet for this before now being continued by open voice OS.
coolin@beehaw.org
on 05 Jan 2024 00:17
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Current LLMs are manifestly different from Cortana (🤢) because they are actually somewhat intelligent. Microsoft’s copilot can do web search and perform basic tasks on the computer, and because of their exclusive contract with OpenAI they’re gonna have access to more advanced versions of GPT which will be able to do more high level control and automation on the desktop. It will 100% be useful for users to have this available, and I expect even Linux desktops will eventually add local LLM support (once consumer compute and the tech matures). It is not just glorified auto complete, it is actually fairly correlated with outputs of real human language cognition.
The main issue for me is that they get all the data you input and mine it for better models without your explicit consent. This isn’t an area where open source can catch up without significant capital in favor of it, so we have to hope Meta, Mistral and government funded projects give us what we need to have a competitor.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 05 Jan 2024 01:34
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A year ago local LLM was just not there, but the stuff you can run now with 8gb vram is pretty amazing, if not quite as good yet as GPT 4. Honestly even if it stops right where it is, it’s still powerful enough to be a foundation for a more accessible and efficient way to interface with computers.
savvywolf@pawb.social
on 05 Jan 2024 09:54
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Sure, all that may be true but it doesn’t answer my original concern: Is this something that people want as a core feature of their OS? My comments weren’t that “oh, this is only as technically sophisticated as voice assistants”, it was more “voice assistants never really took off as much as people thought they would”. I may be cynical and grumpy, but to me it feels like these companies are failing to read the market.
I’m reminded of a presentation that I saw where they were showing off fancy AI technology. Basically, if you were in a call 1 to 1 call with someone and had to leave to answer the doorbell or something, the other person could keep speaking and an AI would summarise what they said when they got back.
It felt so out of touch with what people would actually want to do in that situation.
knightly@pawb.social
on 05 Jan 2024 13:18
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I hope the LLM bubble pops this year. The degree of overinvestment by megacorps is staggering.
I suppose having worked with LLMs a whole bunch over the past year I have a better sense of what I meant by “automate high level tasks”.
I’m talking about an assistant where, let’s say you need to edit a podcast video to add graphics and cut out dead space or mistakes that you corrected in the recording. You could tell the assistant to do that and it would open the video in Adobe Premiere pro, do the necessary tasks, then ask you to review it to check if it made mistakes.
Or if you had an issue with a particular device, e.g. your display, the assistant would research the issue and perform the necessary steps to troubleshoot and fix the issue.
These are currently hypothetical scenarios, but current GPT4 can already perform some of these tasks, and specifically training it to be a desktop assistant and to do more agentic tasks will make this a reality in a few years.
It’s additionally already useful for reading and editing long documents and will only get better on this end. You can already use an LLM to query your documents and give you summaries or use them as instructions/research to aid in performing a task.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Jan 2024 06:23
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I guess my understanding of an LLM must be way off base.
I had thought that asking an LLM to edit a video was simply out of scope. Like asking your self driving car to wash the dishes.
Revan343@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jan 2024 03:55
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Another key to bind to something else? Hell yeah
humanplayer2@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 08:08
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PixxlMan@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 10:46
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Not a single soul wants this. They just want to use every foul trick to get you to use copilot (by accident even) just like they do with bing and their other garbage.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jan 2024 21:30
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Another key for me to pop off my keyboard. Great.
stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 04 Jan 2024 21:33
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Just make it remapable (is that a word?) and I don’t really care
Revan343@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jan 2024 03:57
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stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 05 Jan 2024 12:00
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I don’t use Windows, but given that their office key just sends ctrl+shift+alt+meta, I’m afraid that this could send something like meta+alt that windows users don’t use, but it would be useless for some Linux users that already use that key combo.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 05 Jan 2024 14:49
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I don’t think you can easily remap keys in Windows.
stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 05 Jan 2024 15:13
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Please see my explanation of what I meant by that.
PoliticalCustard@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jan 2024 21:33
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It is literally just windows-C to open copilot. Good grief. 🤣
Awhiskeydrunker@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 21:49
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And being marketed as "our first upgrade to PC keyboards in 30 years". I want to be in the marketing teams conference room when this got pitched.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Jan 2024 22:02
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Mechanical keyboard enthusiasts have reinvented the keyboard hundreds of times, in the time it took M$ to think up a new novelty key cap.
Let alone an “upgrade” that they suggest could replace the menu or right-ctrl key, thus actually reducing usefulness and possibly even accessibility.
what exactly is copilot and how does it vary from cortana
i really only use linux and windows 10 ltsc vms
Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Jan 2024 21:50
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So you can pressed accidentally activating the fucking AI and make the numbers go up so Microsoft can then go and say to investors look millions are using my AI. So annoying.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world
on 04 Jan 2024 21:57
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this kind of shit is what gives AI a bad rep
no one needs this
almost no one wants it
and they’ll kill it in a couple of years like they did it with Cortana
richardisaguy@lemmy.world
on 04 Jan 2024 22:29
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Thankfully, yes. But cortana has been replaced by copilot so we are in the same place
Poggervania@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 22:46
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Tbh I was kinda sad they killed her off instead of trying to make her an actually useful AI assistant. Seemed like a missed opportunity since her Halo counterpart is an AI as well, and it would’ve been cool to maybe have an AR partner app that would have shown pre-Halo 4 version of her.
ReallyKinda@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 22:51
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Copilot is just Cortana on steroids (with a shiny new AI engine baked in)
const_void@lemmy.ml
on 04 Jan 2024 22:03
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This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key. There’s enough Linux-first vendors these days that it’s easy to avoid (Framework, System76, Tuxedo, etc). It’s time to be done with Lenovo and Dell.
njordomir@lemmy.world
on 04 Jan 2024 22:24
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Same, I think I might give the System76 Darter a try when I eventually have to replace my Xps 9370. It’s bad enough that my computer comes with a windows logo on the super-key and often windows preinstalled. Shipping with a non-ANSI/ISO layout is a no-buy for me.
palordrolap@kbin.social
on 04 Jan 2024 23:08
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This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key.
Which is exactly what people said about the Windows key.
Now it's all but impossible to buy a keyboard that doesn't have it. Worse, most of us use it without thinking.
Sure you can call it Super if you like, and even have a Tux key-cap on it, but there used to be a literal gap between the Alt keys and their Ctrl brethren in the lateral directions away from the space bar, and those days are long gone.
There'll be the niche users who stick with old keyboards without this new key, just like there are the die-hards who have stuck resolutely to the old IBM keyboards and the like from pre-1995, but if you want a new keyboard?
Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.
(Shoutout to the Context Menu key which went as unmentioned in the above as it goes unused in day to day use, despite having been included with its Super cousin since day one.)
brax@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 00:16
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I don’t see an issue with a “super” key. But what would a copilot key bring that’s of any value? The super key already does everything you’d need.
more keys for custom keybinds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ depending on where it’s located I’ll probably just use it as a microphone toggle
brax@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 06:15
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We have so many unused potential binds already, though. Knowing the way tech goes these days, they’ll find a way to hard-code the key to one macro and that’s it lol
Hexarei@programming.dev
on 05 Jan 2024 15:41
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yeah it’s almost certainly gonna be bound to Super+C, the existing keybind for copilot
Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org
on 08 Jan 2024 23:42
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Wow when you out it that way it sounds even dumber
Depends how they do it, if it’s in the registry you can change it.
The point is to have an unused button that you can rebind freely
brax@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 2024 03:49
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Pure hyperbole “late stage capitalism”: they’ll have it wired directly into the board. At best it will cover one key chord.
Even later stage, it’ll send some proprietary data that only windows 11 can interpret. Linux users will figure it out and make use of it, then will be promptly sued out of existence for copyright infringement or something lol.
What, fuck licenses, we’re doing subscriptions here.
With multiple tiers, first one just reduces the charge per activation, and the ones after that give you X “free” uses per 12 hours.
const_void@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 00:50
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Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.
I don’t think this is true. Just buy a laptop from a company that ships it with Linux. No Windows, no Windows keys. It doesn’t have to be ‘custom’.
The post mentioned this, and argues that a super a key is basically just a windows key
PixxlMan@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 10:49
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So what key are they gonna put there when all cheap generic Chinese keyboard makers start including this button on all their variants of keyboards?
Hexarei@programming.dev
on 05 Jan 2024 15:42
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The context menu or right-ctrl key, probably
giloronfoo@beehaw.org
on 05 Jan 2024 02:20
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The video made it look like this was the context menu key. This may just be a key cap change for WHQL certification of keyboards.
PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 05:31
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The article actually says the Copilot key will mostly be replacing Menu or Right Control on existing layouts. So if you’re already not using those (or are already re-binding them), it’s just a new keycap.
Plus the configuration that is needed to remap the key back to the correct key code.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 00:13
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As you said, there used to be a gap there. Replacing a gap makes not that much harm and people find it useful even in Linux for keybindings. In more of an Alt kind of guy, but Super is also there for more combinations available.
The Copilot key appears to be going were the right Control or right Alt key are right now, so that’s going to be a bother for a lot of people.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Jan 2024 03:55
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The context menu key is more useful when it’s remapped to the compose key.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Jan 2024 19:30
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My keyboard has a Linux key. And I happily use it.
unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone
on 07 Jan 2024 13:15
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Hey! I used the context menu key today… Just to see what it does and ask why?
BaldProphet@kbin.social
on 05 Jan 2024 04:04
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I fully agree with you, but Framework is definitely not Linux-first. The only OS they offer preloaded on their laptops is Windows. You have to install Linux yourself if you want it.
I think they’re referring to Framework’s support for full Linux compatibility for at least Ubuntu, and making sure that the parts they use have first class Linux support and drivers and kernel integration.
Like with the Windows key, this won’t be an option.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 07:09
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Ah yes, just like you had that option with the windows key right?
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 10:23
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Unfortunately, the “linux-first” vendors do not offer better deals than their competition.
knightly@pawb.social
on 05 Jan 2024 13:14
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They absolutely do, when one considers the negative value of Windows.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 13:17
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It depends on how and what you’re measuring. A lot of Linux first, like system 76 and purism, do so e serious work on the firmware and boot systems of their systems. Which for some is a huge value add compared.
Joker@discuss.tchncs.de
on 05 Jan 2024 01:18
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I don’t care as long as the placement is ok and I can map it to something useful. I’m a GNOME user so the Windows/Super key gets a lot of use. It’s nice to have. A new key that I use for all my custom shortcuts would actually be kind of nice. Who cares that the default key caps are a Windows icon and this Copilot thing? Change the key caps and they are just keys.
at least clippy, for all his faults, had the good sense to be a cute cartoon paperclip.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 07:13
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I liked Clippy and Wizard. There is a massive difference.
blobjim@hexbear.net
on 05 Jan 2024 00:58
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They did this same thing with Mocrosoft Teams. Microsoft execs are some of the dumbest laziest people.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 01:13
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Can they just make the copilot shortcut on my taskbar permanently fuck off? It appears erratically and I don’t seem to be able to get rid of it when it’s there.
nik282000@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jan 2024 05:13
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Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 06:04
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I dual boot PopOS which has been great. Only use Windows for a couple of games that don’t work well with proton.
nik282000@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jan 2024 06:11
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F. I still have a W10 drive for VR games.
humanplayer2@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 08:04
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Immerge more! Hide the task bar, use only desktop icons to launch your games.
theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
on 06 Jan 2024 10:32
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Use CTT’s winutil. I’m guessing it can get rid of that (and also telemetry and it makes updates less annoying and gives you a Ninite-like way to easily install a bunch of software and apply a bunch of tweaks etc.)
NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 13:40
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Grimpen@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jan 2024 03:38
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Hmm, maybe I can use it for the Compose key instead or Right Alt…
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 05 Jan 2024 13:44
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Compose has always been Capslock for me
humanplayer2@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 08:02
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Alas, often, no. Just another logo we can’t be rid of.
In some cases, the Copilot key will replace the Menu key or the right Control key, a Microsoft spokesperson told CNBC in an email. Some larger computers will have enough room for both the Copilot key and the right Control key, the spokesperson said.
PixxlMan@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 10:51
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That’s impressively awful
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 17:05
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I guess I can just buy a sticker and remap the AI key to do ctrl instead lol
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 05 Jan 2024 14:47
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Lol, the first thing that went through my mind was “what feature can I add to i3 with this key?”
m12421k@iusearchlinux.fyi
on 06 Jan 2024 21:22
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unfortunately it would probably just replace the context menu key. which I’ve already set it to keyboard layout switch. 😁
it’s the best keybind I have. way faster than mod+space or alt+shift 😅
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
on 05 Jan 2024 03:12
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Now I’m wondering, with which fingers would you press all those buttons? The most comfortable way to press these keys with 1 hand is to rotate the keyboard 180 degrees
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
on 05 Jan 2024 18:23
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They don’t intend for you to, it’s just easier to make a giant button combo that their generic HID driver handles as a special case than to create a custom keyboard protocol with their special key enums and a custom driver that only windows supports.
ulkesh@beehaw.org
on 05 Jan 2024 03:39
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As long as it’s treated like a media key and not an intrusion of the standard, then I couldn’t care less. It’s a stupid idea, but Microsoft is so often full of those.
Edit> And after reading the article…of course MS is intruding on the standard just like they did with the windows key, but at least that one was turned into “meta” or “super”. I guess this will guarantee I won’t buy another MS keyboard.
In the five years of owning this phone, I have never once pressed that button on purpose. I press it on accident at least once a week.
Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 04:04
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5 years… do you have the S9? cause im exactly the same, never intentionally used it. ever.
Bronco1676@lemmy.ml
on 06 Jan 2024 18:26
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I have the s10+ and it’s actually useful, as you can remap the double click on that button to open any app you like. But yeah single click, never happened intentionally.
EDIT: F yeah, I just checked the settings and you can decide if you want bixby activation on single or double-click. Now I’ve set bixby to double click and on single-click it opens my password manager. If you don’t select anything, it will do nothing on a single click.
The setting is under “Advanced Features” -> “Bixby Key” for me.
Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world
on 07 Jan 2024 04:03
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Using it til it dies. Love this phone.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 00:07
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because most people are unaware of keybindings and when they inevitable tap on the new dedicated key they’ll probably be shown a subscription screen for Copilot Premium or whatever they call it.
IMO it’s a very disgusting and intrusive way of fishing subscriptions to the AI thing they’ve invested so much money on.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 07:08
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It’s already bad enough that windows 11 has a bing AI button on the top left AND top right corners of the start menu. Like wtf
As long as the ability to manually turn off secureboot and remove the OS isn’t locked behind a subscription…
Anticorp@lemmy.world
on 05 Jan 2024 16:16
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It’s already behind a paywall. You can’t access ChatGPT-4 without paying.
sir_reginald@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 00:04
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and yet they are still loosing money by running ChayGPT 3.5 for free. I guess that in the future they’ll switch to a local small model in the hardware that is capable enough.
Anticorp@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 00:49
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I think it’s like anything on the modern web, they’ll lose money until they reach a critical mass of users who get accustomed to using ChatGPT in their day-to-day life, and then they’ll kill the free tier.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 14:19
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Except their free tier is still around for everything that they started as free. Outlook, bing, Visual Studio Code, even office is free for students and teachers.
They’ll always keep the low tier free to get people hooked and charge businesses whatever.
Anticorp@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 20:25
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Microsoft has free tier Office tools because they’re data brokers now. TMK they didn’t always have free Outlook, it was bundled in Office, which cost money. I don’t see ChatGPT remaining free forever, it costs too much to run. I could be wrong though, depending on how much valuable data they can scrape from it.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 23:53
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Yeah they didn’t gave a free Office, Outlook or Visual studio. Now they do and there is no sign of them stopping it. Bing is expensive and they aren’t stopping it.
Chatgpt is MS’s first real chance of dethroning Google search. They’re going to keep a free tier forever.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 05 Jan 2024 14:45
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AI AI AI AI AI AI!
drndramrndra@lemmygrad.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 15:29
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IÄ! IÄ! CTHULHU FHTAGN!
bruhduh@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 00:33
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Pillar man theme intensives (yes, this is jojo reference)
LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org
on 06 Jan 2024 18:20
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Calm down, Steve
GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
on 05 Jan 2024 15:04
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Can’t help but think about how Facebook inc rebranded itself to Meta to chase/promote the metaverse fad.
TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Jan 2024 15:50
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Just realized my keyboard is 22 years old.
15liam20@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 11:59
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Sounds like you can legally fuck it.
The_Helmet_Stays_On@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Jan 2024 18:54
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Who says he hasn’t?
TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 2024 19:31
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So you guys don’t think I should buy a new one, just attach a usb vagina to my old one?
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca
on 05 Jan 2024 23:28
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Is copilot another windows app I’ll need to uninstall? Thanks for the heads up!
ColdWater@lemmy.ca
on 06 Jan 2024 01:52
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Everyone talking it’s bad but I think it’s not, I mean you got another key for shortcut to anything you want after uninstall that crap it’s useless anyway
Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 03:04
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Yeah. It’s stupid and crummy, but it’s a new key to bind. But then again, have you ever really used the context menu key? I have not.
ColdWater@lemmy.ca
on 06 Jan 2024 05:40
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True, I rarely use it when my mouse decided to crap itself
Elderos@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Jan 2024 13:42
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Context menu key is kinda essential for navigating without a mouse. I don’t use it all that often but I am very glad it is there.
Subverb@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 02:40
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I’m happy as a clam with my 1984 loud as fuck IBM Model M keyboard in Windows.
Think you need a Windows key? CTRL-ESC. I use CTRL-ESC even on modern keyboards.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 06 Jan 2024 03:50
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Chatgpt is just Cortana with better marketing. AI isn’t smart, it’s just algorithms producing a facsimile of language via pattern heatmaps. What was Cortana if not just an earlier version of the same thing?
““AI”” is all a techbro marketing bubble. Will burst and move on eventually.
Like holy shit we had the autofill feature in Photoshop ages and ages ago and that’s just doing what the “intelligent” image generators do. We didn’t call it AI back then. All marketing for what amounts to just some interesting algorithms.
space_comrade@hexbear.net
on 06 Jan 2024 14:48
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Chatgpt is just Cortana with better marketing. AI isn’t smart, it’s just algorithms producing a facsimile of language via pattern heatmaps. What was Cortana if not just an earlier version of the same thing?
Well no, not really IMO. Cortana as far as I know wasn’t based on LLMs as we know them today, it was a way older method of NLP. You’re right that on a high level it’s pretty similar but the underlying technology is qualitatively different IMO.
JuryNullification@hexbear.net
on 06 Jan 2024 17:53
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The next AI winter can’t come soon enough
flan@hexbear.net
on 06 Jan 2024 06:05
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i dont really understand the revenue model here. i also dont understand how there’s going to be enough computational power to do LLM shit for all windows users all the time? this sounds bad for the environment.
sekhat@lemmy.temporus.me
on 07 Jan 2024 11:22
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Running a pre trained model is much cheaper than training one. But I’d imagine in this case you’ll be sending it over to Microsoft Servers, so they can keep track of everything you ever search so they can better advertise to you.
kristina@hexbear.net
on 06 Jan 2024 06:36
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how could it possibly be that urgent that it needs a key dedicated to it
JuryNullification@hexbear.net
on 06 Jan 2024 17:51
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It’s probably like the Bixby button on my Samsung phone: all it does is complain I haven’t set it up yet when I accidentally push it while changing the volume.
CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee
on 08 Jan 2024 00:11
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You don’t just remap it to screen on and off?
JuryNullification@hexbear.net
on 08 Jan 2024 04:03
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It’s a work phone and I don’t really care about it, but thanks for letting me know that’s possible.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml
on 06 Jan 2024 07:11
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Time to buy some more of those little Tux keyboard superkey stickers :)
risencode@lemmy.ml
on 06 Jan 2024 07:53
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That’s funny, because getting an ad for Copilot inside my startmenu was actually what made me go back to Linux after 10 years.
This tracks.
Ibex0@lemmy.world
on 06 Jan 2024 19:23
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Can’t wait to accidentally press it while gaming, just like the Windows key!
beeng@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jan 2024 21:40
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I’m stuck on Windows at work, and I have a terminal open on my work PC 100% of the time for tasks, questions and formatting duties (format list, reorder etc) so maybe this could be OK.
Wording is confusing however, as Github is what I think when i hear “copilot”, but I do know both are owned by M$.
I’m not for the extra key, I use a custom ortho split anyway, but I’m guessing it’s just the “windows key” again with hype…
threaded - newest
Lol fuck off Microdong.
Oh “great”, more crap between Ctrl and Alt.
[Grumpy grandpa] In my times, the space row only had five keys! And we did more than those youngsters do with eight, now nine keys!
In my time it was also nine. Back to the roots. ;->
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard
Why doesn’t my keyboard have a thumbs-up key?!
Nice
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4dea9a4d-58ba-4870-9ea6-8990dd02b9ed.jpeg">
From the picture, it’s just the context menu key with a new key cap.
Aaaaah. I really, really wanted to complain about the excessive amount of keys.
(My comment above is partially a joke - don’t take it too seriously. Even if a new key was added it would be a bit more clutter, but not that big of a deal.)
That’s still a new key for some people. My laptop doesn’t have a context key, for example.
Nope
I have nothing against the people that are working on AI and appreciate the work they do. However every time I see an article about a company using AI like this I just get the vibe that it’s a bunch of middle aged men trying desperately to make things like the “future” they saw when they were a kid. I’ve seen amazing implementations of AI in a lot of different ways but I’m so sick of dumb ideas like this because some guy that used to watch Star Trek as a kid wants to feel like they live in the future while piggybacking on someone else’s work. It’s like the painted tunnel in cartoons where it looks like a real tunnel but in reality it’s just a very convincing lie. And that’s all that it is. Complexity does not mean sophistication when it comes to AI and never has and to treat it as such is just a forceful way to make your ideas come true without putting in the real effort.
Sorry, I had to get that out. Also I have nothing against Star Trek and I used to watch it as a kid because my parents watched it all the time.
It’s a bit off-topic, but what I really want is a language model that assigns semantic values to the tokens, and handles those values instead of directly working with the tokens themselves. That would be probably far less complex than current state-of-art LLMs, but way more sophisticated, and require far less data for “training”.
I’m not sure I understand. Do you mean hearing codewords triggering actions as opposed to trying to understand the users intent through language? Or is are there a few more layers to this whole thing than my moderate nerd cred will allow me to understand?
Not quite. I’m focusing on chatbots like Bard, ChatGPT and the likes, and their technology (LLM, or large language model).
At the core those LLMs work like this: they pick words, split them into “tokens”, and then perform a few operations on those tokens, across multiple layers. But at the end of the day they still work with the words themselves, not with the meaning being encoded by those words.
What I want is an LLM that assigns multiple meanings for those words, and performs the operations above on the meaning itself. In other words the LLM would actually understand you, not just chain words.
Semantic embeddings are a thing. LLMs “work with tokens” but they associate them with semantic models internally. You can externalize it via semantic embeddings so that the same semantic models can be shared between LLMs.
The source that I’ve linked mentions semantic embedding; so does further literature on the internet. However, the operations are still being performed with the vectors resulting from the tokens themselves, with said embedding playing a secondary role.
This is evident for example through excerpts like
Emphasis mine. A similar conclusion (that the LLM is still handling the tokens, not their meaning) can be reached by analysing the hallucinations that your typical LLM bot outputs, and asking why that hallu is there.
What I’m proposing is deeper than that. It’s to use the input tokens (i.e. morphemes) only to retrieve the sememes (units of meaning; further info here) that they’re conveying, then discard the tokens themselves, and perform the operations solely on the sememes. Then for the output you translate the sememes obtained by the transformer into morphemes=tokens again.
I believe that this would have two big benefits:
And it might be an additional layer, but the whole approach is considerably simpler than what’s being done currently - pretending that the tokens themselves have some intrinsic value, then playing whack-a-mole with situations where the token and the contextually assigned value (by the human using the LLM) differ.
[This could even go deeper, handling a pragmatic layer beyond the tokens/morphemes and the units of meaning/sememes. It would be closer to what @njordomir@lemmy.world understood from my other comment, as it would then deal with the intent of the utterance.]
I don't think they care about their own nostalgia. I think they ant to use other people's dreams to make a lot of money. I'm also sure some of them genuinely just ant to push the technological envelope just cause they can, ethics be damned. But ultimately, it's just money.
I would love nothing more than the utopian future Trek promised but greed is killing it.
Do people actually want this?
Like, I know the megacorps that control our lives do (since it’s a cheap way of adding value to their products), but what about actual users? I think many see it as a novelty and a toy rather than a productivity tool. Especially when public awareness of “hallucinations” and the plight faced by artists rises.
Kinda feels like the whole “voice controlled assistants” bubble that happened a while ago. Sure they are relatively commonplace nowadays, but nowhere near as universal as people thought they would be.
Nope. Just like those stupid hard coded buttons on my Roku remote that I have never used.
I think it's those stupid hard coded buttons on my remote that I accidentally press every so often then have to repeatedly try and back/exit out of the stupid thing it launched that I cannot remove/uninstall from my tv.
Super glue, or pliers and super glue.
If you can figure out how to get the remote open, you’ll probably find that the buttons are all part of the same flexible rubbery insert (unless it’s 10+ years old). Put a little tape on the bottoms of the ones causing you problems. The insulation should keep them from working, and it’s 100% reversible if you ever do find a use for them.
If it’s one of the older, more expensive remotes with individual switches, then, yeah, pliers and superglue. 😅
And it just needs to load a hasty scribbled overloaded UI that takes forever to load with no content because you don’t have an account and/or are not connected to wifi.
xdaforums.com/…/guide-remapping-android-tv-remote…
Absolutely not. But this is the new standard now.
The new Micro$oft standard, which, as always, is bullshit and should be avoided and ignored at all times.
Yes. The Microsoft standard. Like the Windows key on all keyboards nowadays.
Not on all of them
Maybe I'm a pessimist but this is going to really resonate with the people who are "looking forward to AI" because they read headlines, but haven't actually used any LLMs yet because nobody has told them how.
I want a voice controlled assistant that runs locally and is fully FOSS and I can just run on my bog standard linux PC, hardware minimum requirements nonwithstanding
All I want is a real life iteration of J.A.R.V.I.S. and several billion dollars so I can blurt out cool ideas and have them rendered and built in a couple hours.
I’ll be good I promise.
Mycroft was the best bet for this before now being continued by open voice OS.
Current LLMs are manifestly different from Cortana (🤢) because they are actually somewhat intelligent. Microsoft’s copilot can do web search and perform basic tasks on the computer, and because of their exclusive contract with OpenAI they’re gonna have access to more advanced versions of GPT which will be able to do more high level control and automation on the desktop. It will 100% be useful for users to have this available, and I expect even Linux desktops will eventually add local LLM support (once consumer compute and the tech matures). It is not just glorified auto complete, it is actually fairly correlated with outputs of real human language cognition.
The main issue for me is that they get all the data you input and mine it for better models without your explicit consent. This isn’t an area where open source can catch up without significant capital in favor of it, so we have to hope Meta, Mistral and government funded projects give us what we need to have a competitor.
A year ago local LLM was just not there, but the stuff you can run now with 8gb vram is pretty amazing, if not quite as good yet as GPT 4. Honestly even if it stops right where it is, it’s still powerful enough to be a foundation for a more accessible and efficient way to interface with computers.
Sure, all that may be true but it doesn’t answer my original concern: Is this something that people want as a core feature of their OS? My comments weren’t that “oh, this is only as technically sophisticated as voice assistants”, it was more “voice assistants never really took off as much as people thought they would”. I may be cynical and grumpy, but to me it feels like these companies are failing to read the market.
I’m reminded of a presentation that I saw where they were showing off fancy AI technology. Basically, if you were in a call 1 to 1 call with someone and had to leave to answer the doorbell or something, the other person could keep speaking and an AI would summarise what they said when they got back.
It felt so out of touch with what people would actually want to do in that situation.
I hope the LLM bubble pops this year. The degree of overinvestment by megacorps is staggering.
I suppose having worked with LLMs a whole bunch over the past year I have a better sense of what I meant by “automate high level tasks”.
I’m talking about an assistant where, let’s say you need to edit a podcast video to add graphics and cut out dead space or mistakes that you corrected in the recording. You could tell the assistant to do that and it would open the video in Adobe Premiere pro, do the necessary tasks, then ask you to review it to check if it made mistakes.
Or if you had an issue with a particular device, e.g. your display, the assistant would research the issue and perform the necessary steps to troubleshoot and fix the issue.
These are currently hypothetical scenarios, but current GPT4 can already perform some of these tasks, and specifically training it to be a desktop assistant and to do more agentic tasks will make this a reality in a few years.
It’s additionally already useful for reading and editing long documents and will only get better on this end. You can already use an LLM to query your documents and give you summaries or use them as instructions/research to aid in performing a task.
I guess my understanding of an LLM must be way off base.
I had thought that asking an LLM to edit a video was simply out of scope. Like asking your self driving car to wash the dishes.
Another key to bind to something else? Hell yeah
Nope, just a new logo on an existing key.
:(
Not a single soul wants this. They just want to use every foul trick to get you to use copilot (by accident even) just like they do with bing and their other garbage.
Another key for me to pop off my keyboard. Great.
Just make it remapable (is that a word?) and I don’t really care
Remapping instructions are here
I don’t use Windows, but given that their office key just sends ctrl+shift+alt+meta, I’m afraid that this could send something like meta+alt that windows users don’t use, but it would be useless for some Linux users that already use that key combo.
I don’t think you can easily remap keys in Windows.
Please see my explanation of what I meant by that.
It is literally just windows-C to open copilot. Good grief. 🤣
And being marketed as "our first upgrade to PC keyboards in 30 years". I want to be in the marketing teams conference room when this got pitched.
Mechanical keyboard enthusiasts have reinvented the keyboard hundreds of times, in the time it took M$ to think up a new novelty key cap.
Let alone an “upgrade” that they suggest could replace the menu or right-ctrl key, thus actually reducing usefulness and possibly even accessibility.
Seriously, so stupid.
what exactly is copilot and how does it vary from cortana
i really only use linux and windows 10 ltsc vms
So you can pressed accidentally activating the fucking AI and make the numbers go up so Microsoft can then go and say to investors look millions are using my AI. So annoying.
this kind of shit is what gives AI a bad rep
no one needs this
almost no one wants it
and they’ll kill it in a couple of years like they did it with Cortana
They killed Cortana?
Thankfully, yes. But cortana has been replaced by copilot so we are in the same place
Tbh I was kinda sad they killed her off instead of trying to make her an actually useful AI assistant. Seemed like a missed opportunity since her Halo counterpart is an AI as well, and it would’ve been cool to maybe have an AR partner app that would have shown pre-Halo 4 version of her.
I won’t be happy until we have a hologram cortana
with 6 etheral arms and an always-smiling maw full of 4" long interlocking teeth
I bet your search history is interesting
Copilot is just Cortana on steroids (with a shiny new AI engine baked in)
This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key. There’s enough Linux-first vendors these days that it’s easy to avoid (Framework, System76, Tuxedo, etc). It’s time to be done with Lenovo and Dell.
Same, I think I might give the System76 Darter a try when I eventually have to replace my Xps 9370. It’s bad enough that my computer comes with a windows logo on the super-key and often windows preinstalled. Shipping with a non-ANSI/ISO layout is a no-buy for me.
Which is exactly what people said about the Windows key.
Now it's all but impossible to buy a keyboard that doesn't have it. Worse, most of us use it without thinking.
Sure you can call it Super if you like, and even have a Tux key-cap on it, but there used to be a literal gap between the Alt keys and their Ctrl brethren in the lateral directions away from the space bar, and those days are long gone.
There'll be the niche users who stick with old keyboards without this new key, just like there are the die-hards who have stuck resolutely to the old IBM keyboards and the like from pre-1995, but if you want a new keyboard?
Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.
(Shoutout to the Context Menu key which went as unmentioned in the above as it goes unused in day to day use, despite having been included with its Super cousin since day one.)
I don’t see an issue with a “super” key. But what would a copilot key bring that’s of any value? The super key already does everything you’d need.
more keys for custom keybinds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ depending on where it’s located I’ll probably just use it as a microphone toggle
We have so many unused potential binds already, though. Knowing the way tech goes these days, they’ll find a way to hard-code the key to one macro and that’s it lol
yeah it’s almost certainly gonna be bound to Super+C, the existing keybind for copilot
Wow when you out it that way it sounds even dumber
Depends how they do it, if it’s in the registry you can change it.
The point is to have an unused button that you can rebind freely
Pure hyperbole “late stage capitalism”: they’ll have it wired directly into the board. At best it will cover one key chord.
Even later stage, it’ll send some proprietary data that only windows 11 can interpret. Linux users will figure it out and make use of it, then will be promptly sued out of existence for copyright infringement or something lol.
Can we get this more dystopian? I’m out of ideas.
Nah, they’ll send a package to a Microsoft server that’ll then respond with the keybind and open the program
But you can only press it five times before you have to buy a license to active it.
Also, if you want to deactivate it you’ll need to purchase a separate license.
If neither license is purchased, it presents a nag screen each time. 😂
What, fuck licenses, we’re doing subscriptions here. With multiple tiers, first one just reduces the charge per activation, and the ones after that give you X “free” uses per 12 hours.
I don’t think this is true. Just buy a laptop from a company that ships it with Linux. No Windows, no Windows keys. It doesn’t have to be ‘custom’.
The post mentioned this, and argues that a super a key is basically just a windows key
So what key are they gonna put there when all cheap generic Chinese keyboard makers start including this button on all their variants of keyboards?
The context menu or right-ctrl key, probably
The video made it look like this was the context menu key. This may just be a key cap change for WHQL certification of keyboards.
The article actually says the Copilot key will mostly be replacing Menu or Right Control on existing layouts. So if you’re already not using those (or are already re-binding them), it’s just a new keycap.
Plus the configuration that is needed to remap the key back to the correct key code.
As you said, there used to be a gap there. Replacing a gap makes not that much harm and people find it useful even in Linux for keybindings. In more of an Alt kind of guy, but Super is also there for more combinations available.
The Copilot key appears to be going were the right Control or right Alt key are right now, so that’s going to be a bother for a lot of people.
The context menu key is more useful when it’s remapped to the compose key.
My keyboard has a Linux key. And I happily use it.
Hey! I used the context menu key today… Just to see what it does and ask why?
I fully agree with you, but Framework is definitely not Linux-first. The only OS they offer preloaded on their laptops is Windows. You have to install Linux yourself if you want it.
I think they’re referring to Framework’s support for full Linux compatibility for at least Ubuntu, and making sure that the parts they use have first class Linux support and drivers and kernel integration.
Like with the Windows key, this won’t be an option.
Ah yes, just like you had that option with the windows key right?
Unfortunately, the “linux-first” vendors do not offer better deals than their competition.
They absolutely do, when one considers the negative value of Windows.
It depends on how and what you’re measuring. A lot of Linux first, like system 76 and purism, do so e serious work on the firmware and boot systems of their systems. Which for some is a huge value add compared.
I don’t care as long as the placement is ok and I can map it to something useful. I’m a GNOME user so the Windows/Super key gets a lot of use. It’s nice to have. A new key that I use for all my custom shortcuts would actually be kind of nice. Who cares that the default key caps are a Windows icon and this Copilot thing? Change the key caps and they are just keys.
Woo-hoo! Secondary hyper modifier key - can’t wait!!!
Yay! I petition to call it Duper
Soon we’ll be able to emacs the way the developers intended.
More like micBlow$oft
Can’t wait to see this gone in the next 3 years.
"Oh yeah I remember these keyboards! Good times, that was before the
before the what, op?
BEFORE THE WHAT??
sweats, knowing a time-traveler in our midst refused to tell us about the coming copilocalypse
They’re really pushing this AI shit fr
This is Clippy v2.0 and I’m sure it will be just as helpful.
They’ve learned from their mistakes, and concluded that Clippy failed because there was no Clippy key.
at least clippy, for all his faults, had the good sense to be a cute cartoon paperclip.
I liked Clippy and Wizard. There is a massive difference.
They did this same thing with Mocrosoft Teams. Microsoft execs are some of the dumbest laziest people.
Can they just make the copilot shortcut on my taskbar permanently fuck off? It appears erratically and I don’t seem to be able to get rid of it when it’s there.
debian.org
I dual boot PopOS which has been great. Only use Windows for a couple of games that don’t work well with proton.
F. I still have a W10 drive for VR games.
Immerge more! Hide the task bar, use only desktop icons to launch your games.
Use CTT’s winutil. I’m guessing it can get rid of that (and also telemetry and it makes updates less annoying and gives you a Ninite-like way to easily install a bunch of software and apply a bunch of tweaks etc.)
Right click taskbar.
Taskbar settings
Turn off copilot
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Hmm, maybe I can use it for the Compose key instead or Right Alt…
Compose has always been Capslock for me
Alas, often, no. Just another logo we can’t be rid of.
That’s impressively awful
I guess I can just buy a sticker and remap the AI key to do ctrl instead lol
Linux laptops usually come with a super key.
What the fuck is a labtop?
Its the same thing as a laptop. Labtops are laptops used in a lab. (Or maybe I just made a typo, who knows)
as an i3wm user, I approve 😁
Lol, the first thing that went through my mind was “what feature can I add to i3 with this key?”
unfortunately it would probably just replace the context menu key. which I’ve already set it to keyboard layout switch. 😁 it’s the best keybind I have. way faster than mod+space or alt+shift 😅
Wonder if it will be CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + WIN + C
Also known as fist+c
Now I’m wondering, with which fingers would you press all those buttons? The most comfortable way to press these keys with 1 hand is to rotate the keyboard 180 degrees
They don’t intend for you to, it’s just easier to make a giant button combo that their generic HID driver handles as a special case than to create a custom keyboard protocol with their special key enums and a custom driver that only windows supports.
As long as it’s treated like a media key and not an intrusion of the standard, then I couldn’t care less. It’s a stupid idea, but Microsoft is so often full of those.
Edit> And after reading the article…of course MS is intruding on the standard just like they did with the windows key, but at least that one was turned into “meta” or “super”. I guess this will guarantee I won’t buy another MS keyboard.
On the other hand… Super Duper Key.
Touché
It’s Microsoft, intrusion of standards is their entire M.O.
It’s the “extend” in “embrace, extend, extinguish”.
The Windows key turning into “super” and getting some use on Linux was just Linux DE finding a use for that key nobody asked for.
Couldn’t they just convert some existing unused key, like Scroll Lock? To be honest, even Pause/Break seems outdated to me.
Why? Win+C launches Copilot already, if you want to use it. It’s simple enough currently, why change it? This will just make everything worse.
Why? Investment hype
Bingo
Awesome Keyboard with AI Support *
* On supported Operating Systems **
** With separate subscription.
I can’t wait to no longer find a keyboard without this key.
You can always use those keyboards from the 2000’s
I’m pretty sure you’ll be able to find keyboards with a different icon that the ugly copilot, and then you can map it to whatever you want.
Welcome to the custom mechanical keyboard scene.
Like the shitty bixby button on phones.
In the five years of owning this phone, I have never once pressed that button on purpose. I press it on accident at least once a week.
5 years… do you have the S9? cause im exactly the same, never intentionally used it. ever.
I have the s10+ and it’s actually useful, as you can remap the double click on that button to open any app you like. But yeah single click, never happened intentionally.
EDIT: F yeah, I just checked the settings and you can decide if you want bixby activation on single or double-click. Now I’ve set bixby to double click and on single-click it opens my password manager. If you don’t select anything, it will do nothing on a single click.
The setting is under “Advanced Features” -> “Bixby Key” for me.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/44f31bda-26f4-419f-bb41-94bd87a6205e.png">
This requires logging in to bixby for me.
lol yep, S9.
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Using it til it dies. Love this phone.
because most people are unaware of keybindings and when they inevitable tap on the new dedicated key they’ll probably be shown a subscription screen for Copilot Premium or whatever they call it.
IMO it’s a very disgusting and intrusive way of fishing subscriptions to the AI thing they’ve invested so much money on.
It’s already bad enough that windows 11 has a bing AI button on the top left AND top right corners of the start menu. Like wtf
I am getting flashbacks to the multimedia keyboards on yesteryear:
deskthority.net/wiki/Multimedia_keyboard
Thanks MS, but no thanks, I don’t need it.
For real though, I loved those. That wireless Logitech one with the volume dial lasted me a decade.
My mom had one, I absolutely loved using that thing when I did
I love these, it has actual useful keys
I will admit that the volume wheel was awesome
yeah, the media controls are actually useful.
Please don’t.
So it disappears without Windows?
I guess we’ll have to find a use for that new key on Linux, and Linux laptop vendors will end up with some alternative symbol for it…
maybe bring back the hyper key! (Wikipedia link)
Really milking that fad before they inevitably push anything useful behind a monthly paywall.
As long as the ability to manually turn off secureboot and remove the OS isn’t locked behind a subscription…
It’s already behind a paywall. You can’t access ChatGPT-4 without paying.
and yet they are still loosing money by running ChayGPT 3.5 for free. I guess that in the future they’ll switch to a local small model in the hardware that is capable enough.
I think it’s like anything on the modern web, they’ll lose money until they reach a critical mass of users who get accustomed to using ChatGPT in their day-to-day life, and then they’ll kill the free tier.
Except their free tier is still around for everything that they started as free. Outlook, bing, Visual Studio Code, even office is free for students and teachers.
They’ll always keep the low tier free to get people hooked and charge businesses whatever.
Microsoft has free tier Office tools because they’re data brokers now. TMK they didn’t always have free Outlook, it was bundled in Office, which cost money. I don’t see ChatGPT remaining free forever, it costs too much to run. I could be wrong though, depending on how much valuable data they can scrape from it.
Yeah they didn’t gave a free Office, Outlook or Visual studio. Now they do and there is no sign of them stopping it. Bing is expensive and they aren’t stopping it.
Chatgpt is MS’s first real chance of dethroning Google search. They’re going to keep a free tier forever.
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Pillar man theme intensives (yes, this is jojo reference)
Calm down, Steve
Can’t help but think about how Facebook inc rebranded itself to Meta to chase/promote the metaverse fad.
Just realized my keyboard is 22 years old.
Sounds like you can legally fuck it.
Who says he hasn’t?
So you guys don’t think I should buy a new one, just attach a usb vagina to my old one?
Is copilot another windows app I’ll need to uninstall? Thanks for the heads up!
It should be the reason to switch to Linux, finally, again.
i run linux on a surface and it’s great. when it breaks beyond repair though, i won’t get another because of bullshit like this
Planning on buying a surface and installing Linux. How’s your experience, is there so much bullshit to deal with? I really want a Linux tablet
touchscreen and stuff work fine in linux-surface
you need libcamera for the camera to work
Everyone talking it’s bad but I think it’s not, I mean you got another key for shortcut to anything you want after uninstall that crap it’s useless anyway
Yeah. It’s stupid and crummy, but it’s a new key to bind. But then again, have you ever really used the context menu key? I have not.
True, I rarely use it when my mouse decided to crap itself
Context menu key is kinda essential for navigating without a mouse. I don’t use it all that often but I am very glad it is there.
I’m happy as a clam with my 1984 loud as fuck IBM Model M keyboard in Windows.
Think you need a Windows key? CTRL-ESC. I use CTRL-ESC even on modern keyboards.
That’s a pretty cool keyboard
I bought mine here but there are other places that restore them.
Best keyboard ever, will also last forever.
I use capslock as superkey.
I actually use caps lock fairly regularly as a embedded systems programmer. With my large hands CTRL-ESC is pretty easy for me.
reminds me of the chromebook search key
how the fuck can they just decide this
Probably through licensing agreements with PC retailers.
But you can also just decide not to buy them.
can i decide to buy a keyboard without the windows key today?
There’s always the IBM Model M or, if you prefer USB, there are remakes with it.
Wow it’s yuuge
Umm, it’s just a keycap. You can map the key to whatever you want.
agreed, however it defeats the point that its going to be optional if they really decide to do it.
sure, any Apple keyboard
Microsoft is a monopoly. Stallman was right, as usual in software
stallman is still right
Rebranded Cortana?
Destined to fail.
Is it just Cortana? I was under impression they’re integrating ChatGPT-like llm into windows.
Chatgpt is just Cortana with better marketing. AI isn’t smart, it’s just algorithms producing a facsimile of language via pattern heatmaps. What was Cortana if not just an earlier version of the same thing?
““AI”” is all a techbro marketing bubble. Will burst and move on eventually.
Like holy shit we had the autofill feature in Photoshop ages and ages ago and that’s just doing what the “intelligent” image generators do. We didn’t call it AI back then. All marketing for what amounts to just some interesting algorithms.
Well no, not really IMO. Cortana as far as I know wasn’t based on LLMs as we know them today, it was a way older method of NLP. You’re right that on a high level it’s pretty similar but the underlying technology is qualitatively different IMO.
The next AI winter can’t come soon enough
i dont really understand the revenue model here. i also dont understand how there’s going to be enough computational power to do LLM shit for all windows users all the time? this sounds bad for the environment.
Running a pre trained model is much cheaper than training one. But I’d imagine in this case you’ll be sending it over to Microsoft Servers, so they can keep track of everything you ever search so they can better advertise to you.
how could it possibly be that urgent that it needs a key dedicated to it
It’s probably like the Bixby button on my Samsung phone: all it does is complain I haven’t set it up yet when I accidentally push it while changing the volume.
You don’t just remap it to screen on and off?
It’s a work phone and I don’t really care about it, but thanks for letting me know that’s possible.
Time to buy some more of those little Tux keyboard superkey stickers :)
That’s funny, because getting an ad for Copilot inside my startmenu was actually what made me go back to Linux after 10 years.
This tracks.
Can’t wait to accidentally press it while gaming, just like the Windows key!
I’m stuck on Windows at work, and I have a terminal open on my work PC 100% of the time for tasks, questions and formatting duties (format list, reorder etc) so maybe this could be OK.
Wording is confusing however, as Github is what I think when i hear “copilot”, but I do know both are owned by M$.
I’m not for the extra key, I use a custom ortho split anyway, but I’m guessing it’s just the “windows key” again with hype…