Microsoft says a Copilot key is coming to keyboards on Windows PCs starting this month (www.cnbc.com)
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wesker@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Jan 2024 20:50 next collapse

Lol fuck off Microdong.

lvxferre@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 21:06 next collapse

Oh “great”, more crap between Ctrl and Alt.

[Grumpy grandpa] In my times, the space row only had five keys! And we did more than those youngsters do with eight, now nine keys!

ipsirc@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 22:19 next collapse

In my time it was also nine. Back to the roots. ;->

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard

porl@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 22:27 next collapse

Why doesn’t my keyboard have a thumbs-up key?!

GraniteM@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 04:21 collapse

Nice

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giloronfoo@beehaw.org on 05 Jan 2024 02:21 collapse

From the picture, it’s just the context menu key with a new key cap.

lvxferre@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 03:34 next collapse

Aaaaah. I really, really wanted to complain about the excessive amount of keys.

(My comment above is partially a joke - don’t take it too seriously. Even if a new key was added it would be a bit more clutter, but not that big of a deal.)

lolcatnip@reddthat.com on 05 Jan 2024 05:10 collapse

That’s still a new key for some people. My laptop doesn’t have a context key, for example.

JoMomma@lemm.ee on 04 Jan 2024 21:11 next collapse

Nope

TommySoda@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 21:13 next collapse

I have nothing against the people that are working on AI and appreciate the work they do. However every time I see an article about a company using AI like this I just get the vibe that it’s a bunch of middle aged men trying desperately to make things like the “future” they saw when they were a kid. I’ve seen amazing implementations of AI in a lot of different ways but I’m so sick of dumb ideas like this because some guy that used to watch Star Trek as a kid wants to feel like they live in the future while piggybacking on someone else’s work. It’s like the painted tunnel in cartoons where it looks like a real tunnel but in reality it’s just a very convincing lie. And that’s all that it is. Complexity does not mean sophistication when it comes to AI and never has and to treat it as such is just a forceful way to make your ideas come true without putting in the real effort.

Sorry, I had to get that out. Also I have nothing against Star Trek and I used to watch it as a kid because my parents watched it all the time.

lvxferre@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 21:46 next collapse

Complexity does not mean sophistication when it comes to AI and never has and to treat it as such is just a forceful way to make your ideas come true without putting in the real effort.

It’s a bit off-topic, but what I really want is a language model that assigns semantic values to the tokens, and handles those values instead of directly working with the tokens themselves. That would be probably far less complex than current state-of-art LLMs, but way more sophisticated, and require far less data for “training”.

njordomir@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 22:30 collapse

I’m not sure I understand. Do you mean hearing codewords triggering actions as opposed to trying to understand the users intent through language? Or is are there a few more layers to this whole thing than my moderate nerd cred will allow me to understand?

lvxferre@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 23:43 collapse

Not quite. I’m focusing on chatbots like Bard, ChatGPT and the likes, and their technology (LLM, or large language model).

At the core those LLMs work like this: they pick words, split them into “tokens”, and then perform a few operations on those tokens, across multiple layers. But at the end of the day they still work with the words themselves, not with the meaning being encoded by those words.

What I want is an LLM that assigns multiple meanings for those words, and performs the operations above on the meaning itself. In other words the LLM would actually understand you, not just chain words.

kogasa@programming.dev on 05 Jan 2024 01:24 collapse

Semantic embeddings are a thing. LLMs “work with tokens” but they associate them with semantic models internally. You can externalize it via semantic embeddings so that the same semantic models can be shared between LLMs.

lvxferre@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 03:30 collapse

The source that I’ve linked mentions semantic embedding; so does further literature on the internet. However, the operations are still being performed with the vectors resulting from the tokens themselves, with said embedding playing a secondary role.

This is evident for example through excerpts like

The token embeddings map a token ID to a fixed-size vector with some semantic meaning of the tokens. These brings some interesting properties: similar tokens will have a similar embedding (in other words, calculating the cosine similarity between two embeddings will give us a good idea of how similar the tokens are).

Emphasis mine. A similar conclusion (that the LLM is still handling the tokens, not their meaning) can be reached by analysing the hallucinations that your typical LLM bot outputs, and asking why that hallu is there.

What I’m proposing is deeper than that. It’s to use the input tokens (i.e. morphemes) only to retrieve the sememes (units of meaning; further info here) that they’re conveying, then discard the tokens themselves, and perform the operations solely on the sememes. Then for the output you translate the sememes obtained by the transformer into morphemes=tokens again.

I believe that this would have two big benefits:

  1. The amount of data necessary to “train” the LLM will decrease. Perhaps by orders of magnitude.
  2. A major type of hallucination will go away: self-contradiction (for example: states that A exists, then that A doesn’t exist).

And it might be an additional layer, but the whole approach is considerably simpler than what’s being done currently - pretending that the tokens themselves have some intrinsic value, then playing whack-a-mole with situations where the token and the contextually assigned value (by the human using the LLM) differ.

[This could even go deeper, handling a pragmatic layer beyond the tokens/morphemes and the units of meaning/sememes. It would be closer to what @njordomir@lemmy.world understood from my other comment, as it would then deal with the intent of the utterance.]

Thorned_Rose@kbin.social on 05 Jan 2024 07:05 collapse

some guy that used to watch Star Trek as a kid wants to feel like they live in the future while piggybacking on someone else’s work.

I don't think they care about their own nostalgia. I think they ant to use other people's dreams to make a lot of money. I'm also sure some of them genuinely just ant to push the technological envelope just cause they can, ethics be damned. But ultimately, it's just money.

I would love nothing more than the utopian future Trek promised but greed is killing it.

savvywolf@pawb.social on 04 Jan 2024 21:22 next collapse

Do people actually want this?

Like, I know the megacorps that control our lives do (since it’s a cheap way of adding value to their products), but what about actual users? I think many see it as a novelty and a toy rather than a productivity tool. Especially when public awareness of “hallucinations” and the plight faced by artists rises.

Kinda feels like the whole “voice controlled assistants” bubble that happened a while ago. Sure they are relatively commonplace nowadays, but nowhere near as universal as people thought they would be.

FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works on 04 Jan 2024 21:33 next collapse

Do people actually want this?

Nope. Just like those stupid hard coded buttons on my Roku remote that I have never used.

EvilMonkeySlayer@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 22:59 next collapse

I think it's those stupid hard coded buttons on my remote that I accidentally press every so often then have to repeatedly try and back/exit out of the stupid thing it launched that I cannot remove/uninstall from my tv.

Donjuanme@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 00:31 next collapse

Super glue, or pliers and super glue.

nyan@lemmy.cafe on 05 Jan 2024 14:50 next collapse

If you can figure out how to get the remote open, you’ll probably find that the buttons are all part of the same flexible rubbery insert (unless it’s 10+ years old). Put a little tape on the bottoms of the ones causing you problems. The insulation should keep them from working, and it’s 100% reversible if you ever do find a use for them.

If it’s one of the older, more expensive remotes with individual switches, then, yeah, pliers and superglue. 😅

OddFed@feddit.de on 05 Jan 2024 07:10 collapse

And it just needs to load a hasty scribbled overloaded UI that takes forever to load with no content because you don’t have an account and/or are not connected to wifi.

Dirk@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 21:50 next collapse

Do people actually want this?

Absolutely not. But this is the new standard now.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 02:18 collapse

The new Micro$oft standard, which, as always, is bullshit and should be avoided and ignored at all times.

Dirk@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 05:27 collapse

Yes. The Microsoft standard. Like the Windows key on all keyboards nowadays.

KISSmyOS@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 15:38 collapse
Awhiskeydrunker@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 21:55 next collapse

Maybe I'm a pessimist but this is going to really resonate with the people who are "looking forward to AI" because they read headlines, but haven't actually used any LLMs yet because nobody has told them how.

Uranium3006@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 22:29 next collapse

I want a voice controlled assistant that runs locally and is fully FOSS and I can just run on my bog standard linux PC, hardware minimum requirements nonwithstanding

FrostyTrichs@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 11:30 next collapse

All I want is a real life iteration of J.A.R.V.I.S. and several billion dollars so I can blurt out cool ideas and have them rendered and built in a couple hours.

I’ll be good I promise.

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 13:30 collapse

Mycroft was the best bet for this before now being continued by open voice OS.

coolin@beehaw.org on 05 Jan 2024 00:17 next collapse

Current LLMs are manifestly different from Cortana (🤢) because they are actually somewhat intelligent. Microsoft’s copilot can do web search and perform basic tasks on the computer, and because of their exclusive contract with OpenAI they’re gonna have access to more advanced versions of GPT which will be able to do more high level control and automation on the desktop. It will 100% be useful for users to have this available, and I expect even Linux desktops will eventually add local LLM support (once consumer compute and the tech matures). It is not just glorified auto complete, it is actually fairly correlated with outputs of real human language cognition.

The main issue for me is that they get all the data you input and mine it for better models without your explicit consent. This isn’t an area where open source can catch up without significant capital in favor of it, so we have to hope Meta, Mistral and government funded projects give us what we need to have a competitor.

chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 05 Jan 2024 01:34 next collapse

A year ago local LLM was just not there, but the stuff you can run now with 8gb vram is pretty amazing, if not quite as good yet as GPT 4. Honestly even if it stops right where it is, it’s still powerful enough to be a foundation for a more accessible and efficient way to interface with computers.

savvywolf@pawb.social on 05 Jan 2024 09:54 collapse

Sure, all that may be true but it doesn’t answer my original concern: Is this something that people want as a core feature of their OS? My comments weren’t that “oh, this is only as technically sophisticated as voice assistants”, it was more “voice assistants never really took off as much as people thought they would”. I may be cynical and grumpy, but to me it feels like these companies are failing to read the market.

I’m reminded of a presentation that I saw where they were showing off fancy AI technology. Basically, if you were in a call 1 to 1 call with someone and had to leave to answer the doorbell or something, the other person could keep speaking and an AI would summarise what they said when they got back.

It felt so out of touch with what people would actually want to do in that situation.

knightly@pawb.social on 05 Jan 2024 13:18 next collapse

I hope the LLM bubble pops this year. The degree of overinvestment by megacorps is staggering.

coolin@beehaw.org on 06 Jan 2024 19:25 collapse

I suppose having worked with LLMs a whole bunch over the past year I have a better sense of what I meant by “automate high level tasks”.

I’m talking about an assistant where, let’s say you need to edit a podcast video to add graphics and cut out dead space or mistakes that you corrected in the recording. You could tell the assistant to do that and it would open the video in Adobe Premiere pro, do the necessary tasks, then ask you to review it to check if it made mistakes.

Or if you had an issue with a particular device, e.g. your display, the assistant would research the issue and perform the necessary steps to troubleshoot and fix the issue.

These are currently hypothetical scenarios, but current GPT4 can already perform some of these tasks, and specifically training it to be a desktop assistant and to do more agentic tasks will make this a reality in a few years.

It’s additionally already useful for reading and editing long documents and will only get better on this end. You can already use an LLM to query your documents and give you summaries or use them as instructions/research to aid in performing a task.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Jan 2024 06:23 collapse

I guess my understanding of an LLM must be way off base.

I had thought that asking an LLM to edit a video was simply out of scope. Like asking your self driving car to wash the dishes.

Revan343@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 03:55 next collapse

Another key to bind to something else? Hell yeah

humanplayer2@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 08:08 collapse

Nope, just a new logo on an existing key.

Revan343@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 15:02 collapse

:(

PixxlMan@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 10:46 collapse

Not a single soul wants this. They just want to use every foul trick to get you to use copilot (by accident even) just like they do with bing and their other garbage.

atzanteol@sh.itjust.works on 04 Jan 2024 21:30 next collapse

Another key for me to pop off my keyboard. Great.

stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi on 04 Jan 2024 21:33 next collapse

Just make it remapable (is that a word?) and I don’t really care

Revan343@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 03:57 next collapse

Remapping instructions are here

stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi on 05 Jan 2024 12:00 collapse

I don’t use Windows, but given that their office key just sends ctrl+shift+alt+meta, I’m afraid that this could send something like meta+alt that windows users don’t use, but it would be useless for some Linux users that already use that key combo.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 14:49 collapse

I don’t think you can easily remap keys in Windows.

stepanzak@iusearchlinux.fyi on 05 Jan 2024 15:13 collapse

Please see my explanation of what I meant by that.

PoliticalCustard@lemmygrad.ml on 04 Jan 2024 21:33 next collapse

It is literally just windows-C to open copilot. Good grief. 🤣

Awhiskeydrunker@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 21:49 next collapse

And being marketed as "our first upgrade to PC keyboards in 30 years". I want to be in the marketing teams conference room when this got pitched.

wesker@lemmy.sdf.org on 04 Jan 2024 22:02 collapse

Mechanical keyboard enthusiasts have reinvented the keyboard hundreds of times, in the time it took M$ to think up a new novelty key cap.

Let alone an “upgrade” that they suggest could replace the menu or right-ctrl key, thus actually reducing usefulness and possibly even accessibility.

Seriously, so stupid.

0x2d@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 00:37 collapse

what exactly is copilot and how does it vary from cortana

i really only use linux and windows 10 ltsc vms

Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 04 Jan 2024 21:50 next collapse

So you can pressed accidentally activating the fucking AI and make the numbers go up so Microsoft can then go and say to investors look millions are using my AI. So annoying.

eager_eagle@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 21:57 next collapse

this kind of shit is what gives AI a bad rep

no one needs this

almost no one wants it

and they’ll kill it in a couple of years like they did it with Cortana

kpw@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 22:26 collapse

They killed Cortana?

richardisaguy@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 22:29 collapse

Thankfully, yes. But cortana has been replaced by copilot so we are in the same place

Poggervania@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 22:46 next collapse

Tbh I was kinda sad they killed her off instead of trying to make her an actually useful AI assistant. Seemed like a missed opportunity since her Halo counterpart is an AI as well, and it would’ve been cool to maybe have an AR partner app that would have shown pre-Halo 4 version of her.

ReallyKinda@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 22:51 collapse

I won’t be happy until we have a hologram cortana

JudahBenHur@lemm.ee on 04 Jan 2024 23:02 collapse

with 6 etheral arms and an always-smiling maw full of 4" long interlocking teeth

BaldProphet@kbin.social on 05 Jan 2024 04:05 collapse

I bet your search history is interesting

zingo@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 18:04 collapse

Copilot is just Cortana on steroids (with a shiny new AI engine baked in)

const_void@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 22:03 next collapse

This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key. There’s enough Linux-first vendors these days that it’s easy to avoid (Framework, System76, Tuxedo, etc). It’s time to be done with Lenovo and Dell.

njordomir@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 22:24 next collapse

Same, I think I might give the System76 Darter a try when I eventually have to replace my Xps 9370. It’s bad enough that my computer comes with a windows logo on the super-key and often windows preinstalled. Shipping with a non-ANSI/ISO layout is a no-buy for me.

palordrolap@kbin.social on 04 Jan 2024 23:08 next collapse

This is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m not buying any keyboard or laptop that has this key.

Which is exactly what people said about the Windows key.

Now it's all but impossible to buy a keyboard that doesn't have it. Worse, most of us use it without thinking.

Sure you can call it Super if you like, and even have a Tux key-cap on it, but there used to be a literal gap between the Alt keys and their Ctrl brethren in the lateral directions away from the space bar, and those days are long gone.

There'll be the niche users who stick with old keyboards without this new key, just like there are the die-hards who have stuck resolutely to the old IBM keyboards and the like from pre-1995, but if you want a new keyboard?

Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.

(Shoutout to the Context Menu key which went as unmentioned in the above as it goes unused in day to day use, despite having been included with its Super cousin since day one.)

brax@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 00:16 next collapse

I don’t see an issue with a “super” key. But what would a copilot key bring that’s of any value? The super key already does everything you’d need.

Krzd@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 01:20 collapse

more keys for custom keybinds ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ depending on where it’s located I’ll probably just use it as a microphone toggle

brax@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 06:15 collapse

We have so many unused potential binds already, though. Knowing the way tech goes these days, they’ll find a way to hard-code the key to one macro and that’s it lol

Hexarei@programming.dev on 05 Jan 2024 15:41 next collapse

yeah it’s almost certainly gonna be bound to Super+C, the existing keybind for copilot

Nisaea@lemmy.sdf.org on 08 Jan 2024 23:42 collapse

Wow when you out it that way it sounds even dumber

Krzd@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 01:43 collapse

Depends how they do it, if it’s in the registry you can change it.
The point is to have an unused button that you can rebind freely

brax@sh.itjust.works on 06 Jan 2024 03:49 collapse

Pure hyperbole “late stage capitalism”: they’ll have it wired directly into the board. At best it will cover one key chord.

Even later stage, it’ll send some proprietary data that only windows 11 can interpret. Linux users will figure it out and make use of it, then will be promptly sued out of existence for copyright infringement or something lol.

Can we get this more dystopian? I’m out of ideas.

Krzd@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 10:03 collapse

Nah, they’ll send a package to a Microsoft server that’ll then respond with the keybind and open the program

brax@sh.itjust.works on 06 Jan 2024 11:33 collapse

But you can only press it five times before you have to buy a license to active it.

Also, if you want to deactivate it you’ll need to purchase a separate license.

If neither license is purchased, it presents a nag screen each time. 😂

Krzd@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 12:47 collapse

What, fuck licenses, we’re doing subscriptions here. With multiple tiers, first one just reduces the charge per activation, and the ones after that give you X “free” uses per 12 hours.

const_void@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 00:50 next collapse

Gonna have to shell out a small fortune for a custom build or make do with that dumb new key.

I don’t think this is true. Just buy a laptop from a company that ships it with Linux. No Windows, no Windows keys. It doesn’t have to be ‘custom’.

kzhe@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 01:33 next collapse

The post mentioned this, and argues that a super a key is basically just a windows key

PixxlMan@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 10:49 collapse

So what key are they gonna put there when all cheap generic Chinese keyboard makers start including this button on all their variants of keyboards?

Hexarei@programming.dev on 05 Jan 2024 15:42 collapse

The context menu or right-ctrl key, probably

giloronfoo@beehaw.org on 05 Jan 2024 02:20 next collapse

The video made it look like this was the context menu key. This may just be a key cap change for WHQL certification of keyboards.

PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 05:31 next collapse

The article actually says the Copilot key will mostly be replacing Menu or Right Control on existing layouts. So if you’re already not using those (or are already re-binding them), it’s just a new keycap.

Dirk@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 06:32 collapse

iit’s just a new keycap

Plus the configuration that is needed to remap the key back to the correct key code.

sir_reginald@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 00:13 next collapse

As you said, there used to be a gap there. Replacing a gap makes not that much harm and people find it useful even in Linux for keybindings. In more of an Alt kind of guy, but Super is also there for more combinations available.

The Copilot key appears to be going were the right Control or right Alt key are right now, so that’s going to be a bother for a lot of people.

cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Jan 2024 03:55 next collapse

The context menu key is more useful when it’s remapped to the compose key.

state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Jan 2024 19:30 next collapse

My keyboard has a Linux key. And I happily use it.

unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone on 07 Jan 2024 13:15 collapse

Hey! I used the context menu key today… Just to see what it does and ask why?

BaldProphet@kbin.social on 05 Jan 2024 04:04 next collapse

I fully agree with you, but Framework is definitely not Linux-first. The only OS they offer preloaded on their laptops is Windows. You have to install Linux yourself if you want it.

subtext@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 14:00 collapse

I think they’re referring to Framework’s support for full Linux compatibility for at least Ubuntu, and making sure that the parts they use have first class Linux support and drivers and kernel integration.

Dirk@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 06:30 next collapse

Like with the Windows key, this won’t be an option.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 07:09 next collapse

Ah yes, just like you had that option with the windows key right?

chitak166@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 10:23 next collapse

Unfortunately, the “linux-first” vendors do not offer better deals than their competition.

knightly@pawb.social on 05 Jan 2024 13:14 next collapse

They absolutely do, when one considers the negative value of Windows.

fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 13:17 collapse

It depends on how and what you’re measuring. A lot of Linux first, like system 76 and purism, do so e serious work on the firmware and boot systems of their systems. Which for some is a huge value add compared.

Joker@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Jan 2024 01:18 collapse

I don’t care as long as the placement is ok and I can map it to something useful. I’m a GNOME user so the Windows/Super key gets a lot of use. It’s nice to have. A new key that I use for all my custom shortcuts would actually be kind of nice. Who cares that the default key caps are a Windows icon and this Copilot thing? Change the key caps and they are just keys.

ipsirc@lemmy.ml on 04 Jan 2024 22:20 next collapse

Woo-hoo! Secondary hyper modifier key - can’t wait!!!

QuazarOmega@lemy.lol on 04 Jan 2024 23:13 next collapse

Yay! I petition to call it Duper

Octorine@midwest.social on 04 Jan 2024 23:33 collapse

Soon we’ll be able to emacs the way the developers intended.

leftofthat@hexbear.net on 04 Jan 2024 22:59 next collapse

More like micBlow$oft

UnaSolaEstrellaLibre@lemmy.world on 04 Jan 2024 23:30 next collapse

Can’t wait to see this gone in the next 3 years.

explodicle@local106.com on 05 Jan 2024 01:54 collapse

"Oh yeah I remember these keyboards! Good times, that was before the

Hexarei@programming.dev on 05 Jan 2024 15:43 collapse

before the what, op?

BEFORE THE WHAT??

sweats, knowing a time-traveler in our midst refused to tell us about the coming copilocalypse

shiveyarbles@beehaw.org on 04 Jan 2024 23:49 next collapse

They’re really pushing this AI shit fr

Stillhart@lemm.ee on 05 Jan 2024 00:19 next collapse

This is Clippy v2.0 and I’m sure it will be just as helpful.

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 00:58 next collapse

They’ve learned from their mistakes, and concluded that Clippy failed because there was no Clippy key.

ape@hexbear.net on 05 Jan 2024 05:20 next collapse

at least clippy, for all his faults, had the good sense to be a cute cartoon paperclip.

TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 07:13 collapse

I liked Clippy and Wizard. There is a massive difference.

blobjim@hexbear.net on 05 Jan 2024 00:58 next collapse

They did this same thing with Mocrosoft Teams. Microsoft execs are some of the dumbest laziest people.

Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 01:13 next collapse

Can they just make the copilot shortcut on my taskbar permanently fuck off? It appears erratically and I don’t seem to be able to get rid of it when it’s there.

nik282000@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 05:13 next collapse

debian.org

Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 06:04 collapse

I dual boot PopOS which has been great. Only use Windows for a couple of games that don’t work well with proton.

nik282000@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 06:11 next collapse

F. I still have a W10 drive for VR games.

humanplayer2@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 08:04 next collapse

Immerge more! Hide the task bar, use only desktop icons to launch your games.

theshatterstone54@feddit.uk on 06 Jan 2024 10:32 collapse

Use CTT’s winutil. I’m guessing it can get rid of that (and also telemetry and it makes updates less annoying and gives you a Ninite-like way to easily install a bunch of software and apply a bunch of tweaks etc.)

NotSoCoolWhip@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 13:40 collapse

Right click taskbar.

Taskbar settings

Turn off copilot

[deleted] on 05 Jan 2024 01:16 next collapse

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Grimpen@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 03:38 next collapse

Hmm, maybe I can use it for the Compose key instead or Right Alt…

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 05 Jan 2024 13:44 collapse

Compose has always been Capslock for me

humanplayer2@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 08:02 next collapse

Alas, often, no. Just another logo we can’t be rid of.

In some cases, the Copilot key will replace the Menu key or the right Control key, a Microsoft spokesperson told CNBC in an email. Some larger computers will have enough room for both the Copilot key and the right Control key, the spokesperson said.

PixxlMan@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 10:51 next collapse

That’s impressively awful

CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 17:05 collapse

I guess I can just buy a sticker and remap the AI key to do ctrl instead lol

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 14:47 next collapse

Linux laptops usually come with a super key.

Hawke@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 23:07 collapse

What the fuck is a labtop?

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 06 Jan 2024 03:13 collapse

Its the same thing as a laptop. Labtops are laptops used in a lab. (Or maybe I just made a typo, who knows)

m12421k@iusearchlinux.fyi on 06 Jan 2024 03:05 collapse

as an i3wm user, I approve 😁

DickFiasco@lemm.ee on 06 Jan 2024 20:32 collapse

Lol, the first thing that went through my mind was “what feature can I add to i3 with this key?”

m12421k@iusearchlinux.fyi on 06 Jan 2024 21:22 collapse

unfortunately it would probably just replace the context menu key. which I’ve already set it to keyboard layout switch. 😁 it’s the best keybind I have. way faster than mod+space or alt+shift 😅

teawrecks@sopuli.xyz on 05 Jan 2024 03:12 next collapse

Wonder if it will be CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + WIN + C

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 07:07 next collapse

Also known as fist+c

EddoWagt@feddit.nl on 05 Jan 2024 15:18 collapse

Now I’m wondering, with which fingers would you press all those buttons? The most comfortable way to press these keys with 1 hand is to rotate the keyboard 180 degrees

teawrecks@sopuli.xyz on 05 Jan 2024 18:23 collapse

They don’t intend for you to, it’s just easier to make a giant button combo that their generic HID driver handles as a special case than to create a custom keyboard protocol with their special key enums and a custom driver that only windows supports.

ulkesh@beehaw.org on 05 Jan 2024 03:39 next collapse

As long as it’s treated like a media key and not an intrusion of the standard, then I couldn’t care less. It’s a stupid idea, but Microsoft is so often full of those.

Edit> And after reading the article…of course MS is intruding on the standard just like they did with the windows key, but at least that one was turned into “meta” or “super”. I guess this will guarantee I won’t buy another MS keyboard.

Reil@beehaw.org on 05 Jan 2024 03:57 next collapse

On the other hand… Super Duper Key.

ulkesh@beehaw.org on 05 Jan 2024 05:26 collapse

Touché

pixelscript@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 15:00 next collapse

It’s Microsoft, intrusion of standards is their entire M.O.

It’s the “extend” in “embrace, extend, extinguish”.

erwan@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 17:06 next collapse

The Windows key turning into “super” and getting some use on Linux was just Linux DE finding a use for that key nobody asked for.

NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 18:10 collapse

Couldn’t they just convert some existing unused key, like Scroll Lock? To be honest, even Pause/Break seems outdated to me.

SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 04:54 next collapse

Why? Win+C launches Copilot already, if you want to use it. It’s simple enough currently, why change it? This will just make everything worse.

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 05:59 next collapse

Why? Investment hype

Swaziboy@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 06:19 next collapse

Bingo

aksdb@feddit.de on 05 Jan 2024 11:18 collapse

Awesome Keyboard with AI Support *

* On supported Operating Systems **

** With separate subscription.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 07:06 next collapse

I can’t wait to no longer find a keyboard without this key.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 14:46 next collapse

You can always use those keyboards from the 2000’s

erwan@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 17:08 next collapse

I’m pretty sure you’ll be able to find keyboards with a different icon that the ugly copilot, and then you can map it to whatever you want.

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 06 Jan 2024 03:25 collapse

Welcome to the custom mechanical keyboard scene.

Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 19:04 next collapse

Like the shitty bixby button on phones.

Technus@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 23:22 collapse

In the five years of owning this phone, I have never once pressed that button on purpose. I press it on accident at least once a week.

Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 04:04 collapse

5 years… do you have the S9? cause im exactly the same, never intentionally used it. ever.

Bronco1676@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 18:26 next collapse

I have the s10+ and it’s actually useful, as you can remap the double click on that button to open any app you like. But yeah single click, never happened intentionally.

EDIT: F yeah, I just checked the settings and you can decide if you want bixby activation on single or double-click. Now I’ve set bixby to double click and on single-click it opens my password manager. If you don’t select anything, it will do nothing on a single click.

The setting is under “Advanced Features” -> “Bixby Key” for me.

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someacnt_@lemmy.world on 08 Jan 2024 05:20 collapse

This requires logging in to bixby for me.

Technus@lemmy.zip on 07 Jan 2024 03:34 collapse

lol yep, S9.

[deleted] on 07 Jan 2024 04:02 next collapse

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Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world on 07 Jan 2024 04:03 collapse

Using it til it dies. Love this phone.

sir_reginald@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 00:07 collapse

because most people are unaware of keybindings and when they inevitable tap on the new dedicated key they’ll probably be shown a subscription screen for Copilot Premium or whatever they call it.

IMO it’s a very disgusting and intrusive way of fishing subscriptions to the AI thing they’ve invested so much money on.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 07:08 next collapse

It’s already bad enough that windows 11 has a bing AI button on the top left AND top right corners of the start menu. Like wtf

stoy@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 07:34 next collapse

I am getting flashbacks to the multimedia keyboards on yesteryear:

deskthority.net/wiki/Multimedia_keyboard

Thanks MS, but no thanks, I don’t need it.

surfrock66@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 07:43 next collapse

For real though, I loved those. That wireless Logitech one with the volume dial lasted me a decade.

AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 08:44 collapse

My mom had one, I absolutely loved using that thing when I did

pipows@lemmy.today on 05 Jan 2024 11:20 next collapse

I love these, it has actual useful keys

stoy@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 12:58 collapse

I will admit that the volume wheel was awesome

NOOBMASTER@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 18:08 collapse

yeah, the media controls are actually useful.

fedev@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 11:36 next collapse

Please don’t.

MonkderZweite@feddit.ch on 05 Jan 2024 11:47 next collapse

So it disappears without Windows?

erwan@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 17:04 collapse

I guess we’ll have to find a use for that new key on Linux, and Linux laptop vendors will end up with some alternative symbol for it…

tunawasherepoo@iusearchlinux.fyi on 06 Jan 2024 11:41 collapse

maybe bring back the hyper key! (Wikipedia link)

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 05 Jan 2024 13:27 next collapse

Really milking that fad before they inevitably push anything useful behind a monthly paywall.

init@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 16:07 next collapse

As long as the ability to manually turn off secureboot and remove the OS isn’t locked behind a subscription…

Anticorp@lemmy.world on 05 Jan 2024 16:16 collapse

It’s already behind a paywall. You can’t access ChatGPT-4 without paying.

sir_reginald@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 00:04 collapse

and yet they are still loosing money by running ChayGPT 3.5 for free. I guess that in the future they’ll switch to a local small model in the hardware that is capable enough.

Anticorp@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 00:49 collapse

I think it’s like anything on the modern web, they’ll lose money until they reach a critical mass of users who get accustomed to using ChatGPT in their day-to-day life, and then they’ll kill the free tier.

Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 14:19 collapse

Except their free tier is still around for everything that they started as free. Outlook, bing, Visual Studio Code, even office is free for students and teachers.

They’ll always keep the low tier free to get people hooked and charge businesses whatever.

Anticorp@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 20:25 collapse

Microsoft has free tier Office tools because they’re data brokers now. TMK they didn’t always have free Outlook, it was bundled in Office, which cost money. I don’t see ChatGPT remaining free forever, it costs too much to run. I could be wrong though, depending on how much valuable data they can scrape from it.

Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 23:53 collapse

Yeah they didn’t gave a free Office, Outlook or Visual studio. Now they do and there is no sign of them stopping it. Bing is expensive and they aren’t stopping it.

Chatgpt is MS’s first real chance of dethroning Google search. They’re going to keep a free tier forever.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 05 Jan 2024 14:45 next collapse

AI AI AI AI AI AI!

drndramrndra@lemmygrad.ml on 05 Jan 2024 15:29 next collapse

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bruhduh@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 00:33 next collapse

Pillar man theme intensives (yes, this is jojo reference)

LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Jan 2024 18:20 collapse

Calm down, Steve

GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml on 05 Jan 2024 15:04 next collapse

Can’t help but think about how Facebook inc rebranded itself to Meta to chase/promote the metaverse fad.

TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works on 05 Jan 2024 15:50 next collapse

Just realized my keyboard is 22 years old.

15liam20@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 11:59 collapse

Sounds like you can legally fuck it.

The_Helmet_Stays_On@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Jan 2024 18:54 collapse

Who says he hasn’t?

TerraRoot@sh.itjust.works on 06 Jan 2024 19:31 collapse

So you guys don’t think I should buy a new one, just attach a usb vagina to my old one?

Showroom7561@lemmy.ca on 05 Jan 2024 23:28 next collapse

Is copilot another windows app I’ll need to uninstall? Thanks for the heads up!

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 06 Jan 2024 02:30 collapse

It should be the reason to switch to Linux, finally, again.

0x2d@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 00:41 next collapse

i run linux on a surface and it’s great. when it breaks beyond repair though, i won’t get another because of bullshit like this

yogurtwrong@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 20:00 collapse

Planning on buying a surface and installing Linux. How’s your experience, is there so much bullshit to deal with? I really want a Linux tablet

0x2d@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 21:54 collapse

touchscreen and stuff work fine in linux-surface

you need libcamera for the camera to work

ColdWater@lemmy.ca on 06 Jan 2024 01:52 next collapse

Everyone talking it’s bad but I think it’s not, I mean you got another key for shortcut to anything you want after uninstall that crap it’s useless anyway

Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 03:04 collapse

Yeah. It’s stupid and crummy, but it’s a new key to bind. But then again, have you ever really used the context menu key? I have not.

ColdWater@lemmy.ca on 06 Jan 2024 05:40 next collapse

True, I rarely use it when my mouse decided to crap itself

Elderos@sh.itjust.works on 06 Jan 2024 13:42 collapse

Context menu key is kinda essential for navigating without a mouse. I don’t use it all that often but I am very glad it is there.

Subverb@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 02:40 next collapse

I’m happy as a clam with my 1984 loud as fuck IBM Model M keyboard in Windows.

Think you need a Windows key? CTRL-ESC. I use CTRL-ESC even on modern keyboards.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 06 Jan 2024 03:50 next collapse

That’s a pretty cool keyboard

Subverb@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 17:04 collapse

I bought mine here but there are other places that restore them.

lemonuri@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 08:15 collapse

Best keyboard ever, will also last forever.

I use capslock as superkey.

Subverb@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 16:50 collapse

I actually use caps lock fairly regularly as a embedded systems programmer. With my large hands CTRL-ESC is pretty easy for me.

0x2d@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 03:12 next collapse

reminds me of the chromebook search key

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 05:40 next collapse

how the fuck can they just decide this

sarchar@programming.dev on 06 Jan 2024 13:57 next collapse

Probably through licensing agreements with PC retailers.

But you can also just decide not to buy them.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 17:38 collapse

can i decide to buy a keyboard without the windows key today?

Molten_Moron@lemmings.world on 06 Jan 2024 18:31 next collapse

There’s always the IBM Model M or, if you prefer USB, there are remakes with it.

variants@possumpat.io on 06 Jan 2024 20:17 collapse

Wow it’s yuuge

sarchar@programming.dev on 06 Jan 2024 19:38 next collapse

Umm, it’s just a keycap. You can map the key to whatever you want.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 20:08 collapse

agreed, however it defeats the point that its going to be optional if they really decide to do it.

leopold@lemmy.kde.social on 07 Jan 2024 06:54 collapse

sure, any Apple keyboard

ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social on 07 Jan 2024 00:03 collapse

Microsoft is a monopoly. Stallman was right, as usual in software

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 07 Jan 2024 00:52 collapse

stallman is still right

Awoo@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 06:03 next collapse

Rebranded Cortana?

Destined to fail.

Michal@programming.dev on 06 Jan 2024 12:59 collapse

Is it just Cortana? I was under impression they’re integrating ChatGPT-like llm into windows.

Awoo@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 13:46 collapse

Chatgpt is just Cortana with better marketing. AI isn’t smart, it’s just algorithms producing a facsimile of language via pattern heatmaps. What was Cortana if not just an earlier version of the same thing?

““AI”” is all a techbro marketing bubble. Will burst and move on eventually.

Like holy shit we had the autofill feature in Photoshop ages and ages ago and that’s just doing what the “intelligent” image generators do. We didn’t call it AI back then. All marketing for what amounts to just some interesting algorithms.

space_comrade@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 14:48 next collapse

Chatgpt is just Cortana with better marketing. AI isn’t smart, it’s just algorithms producing a facsimile of language via pattern heatmaps. What was Cortana if not just an earlier version of the same thing?

Well no, not really IMO. Cortana as far as I know wasn’t based on LLMs as we know them today, it was a way older method of NLP. You’re right that on a high level it’s pretty similar but the underlying technology is qualitatively different IMO.

JuryNullification@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 17:53 collapse

The next AI winter can’t come soon enough

flan@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 06:05 next collapse

i dont really understand the revenue model here. i also dont understand how there’s going to be enough computational power to do LLM shit for all windows users all the time? this sounds bad for the environment.

sekhat@lemmy.temporus.me on 07 Jan 2024 11:22 collapse

Running a pre trained model is much cheaper than training one. But I’d imagine in this case you’ll be sending it over to Microsoft Servers, so they can keep track of everything you ever search so they can better advertise to you.

kristina@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 06:36 next collapse

how could it possibly be that urgent that it needs a key dedicated to it

JuryNullification@hexbear.net on 06 Jan 2024 17:51 collapse

It’s probably like the Bixby button on my Samsung phone: all it does is complain I haven’t set it up yet when I accidentally push it while changing the volume.

CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee on 08 Jan 2024 00:11 collapse

You don’t just remap it to screen on and off?

JuryNullification@hexbear.net on 08 Jan 2024 04:03 collapse

It’s a work phone and I don’t really care about it, but thanks for letting me know that’s possible.

Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 07:11 next collapse

Time to buy some more of those little Tux keyboard superkey stickers :)

risencode@lemmy.ml on 06 Jan 2024 07:53 next collapse

That’s funny, because getting an ad for Copilot inside my startmenu was actually what made me go back to Linux after 10 years.

This tracks.

Ibex0@lemmy.world on 06 Jan 2024 19:23 next collapse

Can’t wait to accidentally press it while gaming, just like the Windows key!

beeng@discuss.tchncs.de on 04 Jan 2024 21:40 collapse

I’m stuck on Windows at work, and I have a terminal open on my work PC 100% of the time for tasks, questions and formatting duties (format list, reorder etc) so maybe this could be OK.

Wording is confusing however, as Github is what I think when i hear “copilot”, but I do know both are owned by M$.

I’m not for the extra key, I use a custom ortho split anyway, but I’m guessing it’s just the “windows key” again with hype…