makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml
on 07 Jul 19:17
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I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn’t, and probably won’t support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I’ll have to move to Mac or Windows. I’m devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I’m literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland’s lack of support for accessibility.
IAmTheKernelError@piefed.social
on 07 Jul 19:49
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Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Jul 20:31
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The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren’t possible under Wayland (yet?).
Pretty sure both have been available through portals for at least a year
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 07 Jul 20:02
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This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 08 Jul 15:02
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Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.
hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org
on 08 Jul 00:26
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i’ve heard MATE works well for accessibility, have you tried it?
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 08 Jul 04:23
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Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.
makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml
on 08 Jul 17:38
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I’ll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn’t support what the accessibility tools require.
When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that’ll hopefully have changed
makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml
on 09 Jul 07:29
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That would be nice. I hope so
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Jul 21:09
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It says “X11 disabled by default”, does that imply you can enable it again?
In any case I wish you the best
radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net
on 07 Jul 19:28
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I still use X because at least last time I tried (admittedly over a year ago) some of my apps didn’t work right on Wayland (KLayout, if I remember correctly).
spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world
on 07 Jul 20:28
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I do due to an annoying bug that only pops up when using Wayland, forces me to relogin and thus lose my current session.
Haven’t tested for a while though, maybe it’s fixed already.
Keep coming back to Wayland. I’ve been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world
on 07 Jul 21:05
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Yeah, it’s default on pop os. Cannot remember if I tried Wayland, just going with the flow and it works for now
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 08 Jul 15:28
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One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.
KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I’ve tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.
davet@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Jul 01:15
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I think gnome has an rdp server built in. Just need to enable it in settings.
brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Jul 02:32
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Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?
Xrdp works on Wayland, you can keep using it if you like. There’s also Gnome’s built-in Gnome Remote Desktop as well as KDE’s Krdp, both are also Wayland compatible (though I get the feeling Krdp is still in its early stages).
eneff@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Jul 08:47
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I have been running gnome-shell with the –no-x11 flag for quite some time now and haven’t been missing anything.
I used Ubuntu 24.10. on new Ubuntu certified Intel Thinkpad and exeperienced system hangs every few weeks. The only solution was to reboot. Frustrating to say the least. On that system also webcam didn’t work so maybe it was kernel fault somehow but still very disappointing given the “certified” status.
1: Open files. You can now use ctrl shift n to make a new folder.
2: Open an application. Click save as… “files” opens. Now you can not use ctrl shift n. I just tested it again. I am also on gnome 48. This is an old an known limitation.
threaded - newest
Does any GNOME user here use X11? On my computer I have been exclusively using Wayland for 3 years. It’s great.
Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?
I do, its a bit more stable with nvidia still, i sometimes get black screens randomly wit wayland
The only thing I want from x11 is a proper wayland autoclicker with working global bindings,Yes I can use xclicker but no global bindings.
I want x11 over ssh
Waypipe?
bingo and thank you
Waypipe?
exactly what i needed; thank you.
waypipe -c lz4=9 ssh <remotr-IP> env QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl <remote-program-path [args]>
I am confused. Autoclicker does not work?
github.com/konkitoman/autoclicker
Or do you mean keyboard input?
github.com/ReimuNotMoe/ydotool
Its just because most of then are cli based.
I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn’t, and probably won’t support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I’ll have to move to Mac or Windows. I’m devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I’m literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland’s lack of support for accessibility.
Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?
The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren’t possible under Wayland (yet?).
Pretty sure both have been available through portals for at least a year
This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.
i’ve heard MATE works well for accessibility, have you tried it?
github.com/splondike/…/talon-requirements.md
Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.
I’ll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn’t support what the accessibility tools require.
When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that’ll hopefully have changed
That would be nice. I hope so
It says “X11 disabled by default”, does that imply you can enable it again?
In any case I wish you the best
I still use X because at least last time I tried (admittedly over a year ago) some of my apps didn’t work right on Wayland (KLayout, if I remember correctly).
I do due to an annoying bug that only pops up when using Wayland, forces me to relogin and thus lose my current session.
Haven’t tested for a while though, maybe it’s fixed already.
Keep coming back to Wayland. I’ve been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.
Yeah, it’s default on pop os. Cannot remember if I tried Wayland, just going with the flow and it works for now
One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.
KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I’ve tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.
I think gnome has an rdp server built in. Just need to enable it in settings.
Xrdp works on Wayland, you can keep using it if you like. There’s also Gnome’s built-in Gnome Remote Desktop as well as KDE’s Krdp, both are also Wayland compatible (though I get the feeling Krdp is still in its early stages).
I have been running
gnome-shellwith the–no-x11flag for quite some time now and haven’t been missing anything.Yeah because they dropped the vnc sever for the Wayland session and our workflow at work still uses vnc
If you can install it I’ve found that Remmina works well
That’s a client, not server
I used Ubuntu 24.10. on new Ubuntu certified Intel Thinkpad and exeperienced system hangs every few weeks. The only solution was to reboot. Frustrating to say the least. On that system also webcam didn’t work so maybe it was kernel fault somehow but still very disappointing given the “certified” status.
I want one thing (besides a11y which is really number one): the save dialogue should be sane. E.g. let me create a new subfolder with Ctrl shift n…
You can do that from the save as dialogue box.
No you can not do that, with a Keyboard shortcut (ctrl shift n ). You need to clickitty clickitty with a mouse.
I do that regularly. I am on Gnome 48
1: Open files. You can now use ctrl shift n to make a new folder.
2: Open an application. Click save as… “files” opens. Now you can not use ctrl shift n. I just tested it again. I am also on gnome 48. This is an old an known limitation.