qyron@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Sep 2023 19:15
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Was wondering when this would land. I’ve been considering returning to Debian full force but after running Mint for some years some bad habits linger. Maybe LMDE can prove to be a good middle of the way.
For those who tried: how does LMDE behaves when loading any other DE not Cinnamon?
I’ve seen some reviews where LMDE being the backup plan for Mint, Cinnamon was the only priority; if that is to change, great. I’m hoping to move to XFCE again.
That’s correct they released it around the time so the Amazon stuff happened if I remember right. Since debian 12 has been so popular and with flatpak and distro box gaining popularity, there’s been a big call for lmde to become the focus.
It’s ancient history. Around 10 years ago, Ubuntu shipped with a desktop search plugin (activated by default) that sent everything you typed into your desktop search field to Amazon and showed you related products.
It was when I turned my back on Ubuntu for good.
Not directly because of that “feature” which could be uninstalled with a one-liner, but because it showed that Canonical’s view of their distro is very different from mine.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
on 11 Sep 2023 21:05
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Anyone who's read any fantasy knows not to mess around with the faye. I'll wait for the next version unless that one's named Cthulhu.
bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Sep 2023 21:15
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A Debian version of mint is incomprehensibly based
I dont know anything about linux but my friend recommended mint. Have to say its the second best thing ever happened to me , first being losing my virginity.
Ascend-910@kbin.social
on 12 Sep 2023 01:24
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yay I love LMDE :D
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network
on 13 Sep 2023 12:25
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This is the first time I’ll try a distro upgrade, let’s see if it’s as easy as Ubuntu-Mint!
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Sep 2023 01:30
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I may actually give this a go.
With the addition of non-free firmware in Debian ( so better hardware compatibility ) and the rising popularity of Flatpak and Distrobox ( so access to newer software ), the advantages of Ubuntu are narrowing and the problems with Ubuntu continue to mount. Basing something like Mint directly on Debian makes sense to me.
I have been considering trying Debian with Distrobox / Arch to fill any application gaps. LMDE might fill that void instead.
lfromanini@feddit.nl
on 12 Sep 2023 05:06
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I use Debian and was using Arch in a Distrobox to have some AUR apps (PyCharm, DBeaver, Pulsar Editor and a few more). It’s nice and I recomend you to try and have fun with it. Undoubtedly, Distrobox is a game changer - however, I believe it’s a better tool to set a development environment, with the distro and packages used in the production environment. Nowadays, just to install random software on Debian, I’ve been using Pacstall - try it as well. In the end, I think it integrates better. For example, if I click on a link in a Markdown doc in Pulsar in a box, either it will not open the link if I don’t have another browser within the box or I’ll have to implement a workaround to open the host’s browser.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Sep 2023 11:54
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I had never heard of Pacstall. Thanks.
You use it with Debian? It looks like it targets Ubuntu.
lfromanini@feddit.nl
on 12 Sep 2023 20:44
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Yes, I use Debian and Pacstall works well on it. From their Wiki, you can see that you can target incompatible versions if applicable - I saw it in one app, incompatible with Bullseye but compatible with Bookworm and Ubuntu (maybe git-delta, if I remember well). Also, I have a small contribution to the project as well.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Sep 2023 01:40
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I’ve been waiting for this!
Sigmatank@midwest.social
on 12 Sep 2023 01:46
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As a not-that-tech savy person who is looking at getting back to using Linux (it’s been 5 or so years since I was running Ubuntu, I dual booted for awhile but WFH generally has made me Windows only) this sounds like a distro I would enjoy
khorovodoved@lemm.ee
on 12 Sep 2023 16:01
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Various mint apps come preinstalled.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Sep 2023 19:56
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Simplicity of deployment would be a big one. There are also few other apps that come along with being Mint.
I would expect LMDE to be much better tested and refined. That said, the end result is probably that the Cinnamon lacked in Debian work great as well.
PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Sep 2023 15:41
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Does it yet support OpenZFS root on install (with encryption) or encrypted BTRFS root install? Snapshot rollbacks are just so handy and have saved me multiple times over the past few years… I’m not sure I could give that up. NOTE: I’ve only needed that for physical hardware installs. VM’s have other ways to be snapshotted and rolled back.
selokichtli@lemmy.ml
on 12 Sep 2023 18:23
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If rolling back is all you need, Mint encourages you to use Timeshift with rsync.
PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 12 Sep 2023 19:02
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Ah, but rollback was of /boot. Something rsync Timeshift isn’t that helpful for.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Sep 2023 19:58
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I just realized that LMDE only gets two years of support. The Ubuntu version gets 5 I think. So they want you to upgrade to the latest LMDE every time it is released.
threaded - newest
Was wondering when this would land. I’ve been considering returning to Debian full force but after running Mint for some years some bad habits linger. Maybe LMDE can prove to be a good middle of the way.
For those who tried: how does LMDE behaves when loading any other DE not Cinnamon?
On LMDE 5 I had some problems with multiple wm/de’s but im assuming that’s a large part of what they’re going to fix in this release
I’ve seen some reviews where LMDE being the backup plan for Mint, Cinnamon was the only priority; if that is to change, great. I’m hoping to move to XFCE again.
If you’re not using Cinnamon, why not just use Debian? What else does mint add?
Older software, mostly. Debian was my daily driver for years but it comes to a point where having to deal with aged software becomes tiresome.
This also meant not having the required - and newer - version of some library to run some other program.
Mint also refines Debian a little more. Makes it less harsh.
Yeah, on desktop I use Debian Unstable, which is a really great rolling release distro with really bad marketing.
I’m not tech savvy enough to mess with Sid. Not by a long shot.
Hey I haven’t heard of this.
So this is mint based on Debian directly instead of ubuntu?
That’s correct they released it around the time so the Amazon stuff happened if I remember right. Since debian 12 has been so popular and with flatpak and distro box gaining popularity, there’s been a big call for lmde to become the focus.
Thanks for the reply! Amazon stuff? I’m so out of the loop it seems.
It’s ancient history. Around 10 years ago, Ubuntu shipped with a desktop search plugin (activated by default) that sent everything you typed into your desktop search field to Amazon and showed you related products.
People are still pissed about it.
Thanks for answering. That was after me first trying out Linux and before me returning to Linux.
That’s some bullshit but damn does the Linux community hold grudges like they always have.
It was when I turned my back on Ubuntu for good.
Not directly because of that “feature” which could be uninstalled with a one-liner, but because it showed that Canonical’s view of their distro is very different from mine.
Anyone who's read any fantasy knows not to mess around with the faye. I'll wait for the next version unless that one's named Cthulhu.
A Debian version of mint is incomprehensibly based
… based on Debian, yes.
Based.
What do you mean?
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TLDR: 80s: On crack 90s: Being yourself, cool, swagger 2020s Alt right attempts to appropriate this to mean being an unapologetic douchnozzle
www.dictionary.com/e/slang/based/
20s: Alt left uses douchenozzle
/jSweet. First line of the neofetch logo is still off doing its own thing, I see…
I dont know anything about linux but my friend recommended mint. Have to say its the second best thing ever happened to me , first being losing my virginity.
yay I love LMDE :D
This is the first time I’ll try a distro upgrade, let’s see if it’s as easy as Ubuntu-Mint!
I may actually give this a go.
With the addition of non-free firmware in Debian ( so better hardware compatibility ) and the rising popularity of Flatpak and Distrobox ( so access to newer software ), the advantages of Ubuntu are narrowing and the problems with Ubuntu continue to mount. Basing something like Mint directly on Debian makes sense to me.
I have been considering trying Debian with Distrobox / Arch to fill any application gaps. LMDE might fill that void instead.
I use Debian and was using Arch in a Distrobox to have some AUR apps (PyCharm, DBeaver, Pulsar Editor and a few more). It’s nice and I recomend you to try and have fun with it. Undoubtedly, Distrobox is a game changer - however, I believe it’s a better tool to set a development environment, with the distro and packages used in the production environment. Nowadays, just to install random software on Debian, I’ve been using Pacstall - try it as well. In the end, I think it integrates better. For example, if I click on a link in a Markdown doc in Pulsar in a box, either it will not open the link if I don’t have another browser within the box or I’ll have to implement a workaround to open the host’s browser.
I had never heard of Pacstall. Thanks.
You use it with Debian? It looks like it targets Ubuntu.
Yes, I use Debian and Pacstall works well on it. From their Wiki, you can see that you can target incompatible versions if applicable - I saw it in one app, incompatible with Bullseye but compatible with Bookworm and Ubuntu (maybe git-delta, if I remember well). Also, I have a small contribution to the project as well.
I’ve been waiting for this!
As a not-that-tech savy person who is looking at getting back to using Linux (it’s been 5 or so years since I was running Ubuntu, I dual booted for awhile but WFH generally has made me Windows only) this sounds like a distro I would enjoy
Linux mint is great. Debian version is even better.
Time to consider distro hopping
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Various mint apps come preinstalled.
Simplicity of deployment would be a big one. There are also few other apps that come along with being Mint.
I would expect LMDE to be much better tested and refined. That said, the end result is probably that the Cinnamon lacked in Debian work great as well.
Does it yet support OpenZFS root on install (with encryption) or encrypted BTRFS root install? Snapshot rollbacks are just so handy and have saved me multiple times over the past few years… I’m not sure I could give that up. NOTE: I’ve only needed that for physical hardware installs. VM’s have other ways to be snapshotted and rolled back.
If rolling back is all you need, Mint encourages you to use Timeshift with rsync.
Ah, but rollback was of /boot. Something rsync Timeshift isn’t that helpful for.
I just realized that LMDE only gets two years of support. The Ubuntu version gets 5 I think. So they want you to upgrade to the latest LMDE every time it is released.