DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 17:12
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What would it look like? I’d guess Amazon ads in the search bar, proprietary package managers overriding the old open package manager, and popup ads for distribution Pro?
Wait…
barbara@lemmy.ml
on 02 May 2024 17:24
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Ubuntu was my first distro because ubuntu was linux for outsiders many years ago. Any other distro was only for hardcore people. I don’t regret hopping around the linux world.
I also started on Ubuntu. They used to be pretty great, good device support and basically no hassle. But I am done af and not going back.
DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 17:37
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That’s me as well, they did a lot to get newcomers in. It’s just easy to poke fun at them these days.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 17:45
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It was the only one that didn’t freeze when I plugged something into the USB port on my laptop when I started 20 years ago.
I’ve since moved to plain Debian because of canonical’s decisions.
spicytuna62@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 19:12
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I used Ubuntu for over 10 years. I loved it. But Canonical does have a lot of baggage. Plus, I wanted to go to the source. So that’s why I use Debian. I’d still advise a new user to go for Mint if they loved the Windows UI or Ubuntu if they hated it. If you use and love Mint, I don’t think anyone would criticize you for continuing to use it. If you use and love Ubuntu, I’d say Debian is a very easy next step.
I used to be “Debian on the server, Ubuntu on the desktop” but recently I’ve spun up a few Debian boxes for desktop and I’m pleasantly surprised.
Kinda wish Valve would go for a full-out supported distro that stays in step with the Deck for Linux gamers (the old desktop SteamOS is kinda abandoned from what I can see), among with making the deck frontend a supported desktop manager. It would make sense for them to do so and rake in the game sales whilst providing a well-supported platform without the shit others are doing.
zaphodb2002@sh.itjust.works
on 03 May 2024 04:36
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Check out Bazzite, it’s basically that. I’ve been using it on my desktop for gaming and development for a month or so now and it’s been great.
Yeah I’ve got Debian on the server and on my laptop and I don’t know why I’d want anything more user experience focussed. It just works for me.
CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml
on 02 May 2024 17:47
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Same. I started really using Linux with Ubuntu 6.06 and was drawn in by its “Linux for human beings” goals - the Ubuntu homepage of the era really pushed the ideals of community and openness. Canonical sat in the background paying to send you free CDs in the mail. It was such an idealistic thing back then.
And then it all changed around 2010. The color scheme shifted to a shitty MacOS lookalike, the human elements were dropped, the logo was reworked, it got bundled with a paid music store, then Amazon ads in the search, and it’s been a roller coaster on a downward spiral ever since. I switched to Debian not long after the initial enshittification in the early 2010s and have not looked back, though I moved most of my systems to Arch a few years back because I like life in the fast rolling release lane and Debian wouldn’t support my new GPUs.
warmaster@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 22:16
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Hey! Sorry for the offtopic comment but… Glad you made it to Lemmy, and from the bottom of my heart: thank you so much for OpenRGB.
Awesome collab with KDE, Tuxedo, looking forward to the kernel implementation !
Huh? Is the previous poster an OpenRGB developer? That’s cool!
warmaster@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 23:50
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He’s the lead dev, his profile pic is the OpenRGB logo and his nickname is the same across social networks.
bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 18:52
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I got into linux right before all the snap drama really blew up (it did exist but didn’t seem to be quite as hot of a topic). I really liked my experience with Ubuntu, but seeing where Canonical has taken it, I’d never recommend it to anyone. I’d honestly advise newbies to use Debian. It’s incredibly stable, has a fantastic and well established community, and has everything an average user would want without adding layers of confusion with things like snap.
DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 18:28
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Ubuntu has had all three of those things. Amazon ads in the search bar was awhile back. Not sure but I assume they still hijack installing Firefox using apt and instead install it using snap. And Ubuntu Pro popups are a new thing.
Shareni@programming.dev
on 02 May 2024 18:31
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Does anyone know if this is still the case? This video is 11 years old, but logic and common sense tell me that, if anything, it should be even worse now.
Shareni@programming.dev
on 03 May 2024 03:06
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No clue, but they did their “whoopsie, didn’t know you wouldn’t like it, now it’s opt in” pretty quickly.
A while back I’ve read about some allegations that they’re illegally collecting data from Azure Ubuntu instances and sending Ubuntu pro marketing material.
It’s ridiculous how Ubuntu went from the easiest entry to Linux to one of the most hated distros in the community. Seriously, I’ll never understand how the broken brains of their leadership even work.
youngGoku@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 18:51
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what if you are sponsoring a dev by means of something like regular donations?
Sabata11792@kbin.social
on 04 May 2024 01:26
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I'm ok with dropping a few bucks if I like them, but monthly is just more bills to worry about. Dropping $20 once is a lot easier than drip feeding it over a year and hoping I remember to manage it. It also comes with the expectations of delivery/trade vs buying the dude lunch.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 18:59
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Windows, it would look like windows…
electro1@infosec.pub
on 02 May 2024 19:09
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fine by me if they can imitate windows, sans all the ads, dark patterns, and shitty business model.
windows is actually a halfway decent os underneath all the enshittification crud.
electro1@infosec.pub
on 04 May 2024 07:35
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sans all the ads, dark patterns, and shitty business model.
To me it’s enshitification because they grabbed Linux and KDE and added all the unethical spyware on top of it, EDGE browser comes to mind…which last I checked shares you data with 927 advertising companies… Maybe it’s a higher number now…
windows is actually a halfway decent os underneath all the enshittification crud.
even that I would argue is enshitified due to all the spying stuff they put into it… Microsoft is real life E Corp
Corgana@startrek.website
on 02 May 2024 19:12
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I know this is a joke but “Enshittification” requires there to be a monopoly that abuses commercial customers along with users. Linux distros can’t really have monopolies since the switching costs are so low.
HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works
on 02 May 2024 19:17
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What about a distro that artificially raises the switching cost?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 02 May 2024 19:21
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…with AI
Corgana@startrek.website
on 02 May 2024 19:27
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ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 02 May 2024 23:54
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Except if you are locked out of system management and you just can’t switch. Or only at the price of hardware incompatibilities and consumer apps refusing to work when they see you after practicing your ownership of the device.
See Android.
Caboose12000@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 00:48
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The video actually addresses that by mentioning a company coming in nice at first and then doing EEE to kill off ll competition and leave them the only significant player in the space
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 03:12
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Real question, how difficult is moving from Red Hat to SUSE?
Yeah that would be terrible, imagine if you were to run some updates and the package manager went like “Get <name of the distro> Pro! You will get better updates and support”
HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club
on 02 May 2024 19:26
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Whatever the Steam Deck would be if Valve went full Linux desktop?
Increasingly so, and following the path that RedHat was taking prior (and probably worse to come given their new ownership)
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 May 2024 16:48
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What did RedHat do? Did I miss something?
gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com
on 03 May 2024 22:25
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Nothing, someone who never needed access to the RHEL snapshot source is butt hurt that it only exists as part of centOS stream, making it harder for community rebuilds to exist.
It’s no big deal for 95% of users, truly a nonissue. That last 5% can buy RHEL for production or use it for free for personal hosting or development.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 05:04
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RedHat is one of, if not the, biggest contributors to Linux. They offer RHEL, which you license as a business or use for free for personal use.
RedHat became pissed off about contributing so much to the Linux ecosystem when a number of other corporate distros simply took their product, changed the name, then shoved it out the door with a price tag that undercuts them, taking money while contributing virtually nothing to the wider ecosystem.
And to be clear I don’t mean distros based on RHEL, like Pop/Elementary/Mint is to Ubuntu, I mean literally clones. The exact same software with zero differences other than name.
RH then changed their subscription terms so that redistribution of their source code means they can drop you as a RHEL customer. I.e. you wouldn’t have access to further to source code.
This is widely believed to be compatible with the GPL licence that Linux uses — GPL only guarantees users need to be able to see source code, not necessarily that it has to be completely open for anybody to see. GPL also doesn’t compel the developer to provide updates for everyone, so if the developer thinks you’ve broken other terms they’ve set, they are allowed to drop you/not deal with you further. GPL doesn’t force a developer to have you as their continued customer.
People argue that RH may well be complying with the GPL legally, but they aren’t in spirit.
I’m still not sure where I come down on it tbh. Philosophically I want RH to go with the spirit of the GPL, but I do find it really shitty that a number of other projects just straight up take RH’s product, put a different name on it, and skim money away from an organisation that has transformed the Linux desktop and made it usable.
Thing is, I don’t even think it’s worked. They can still get all the packages by pulling it in a slightly cumbersome way from CentOS.
TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 10:08
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I think what they tried to achieve was to get rid of the “bit to bit” copypasted distributions which they at least made harder to make. So I suppose at least the cost to “steal the RHEL source” is higher.
btw I dislike that Free Software is also free (0.00 €) software. I feel like there should be some kind of chimera license which would first be proprietary with source available and after a certain time after purchase the code would be open source for the buyer. So you could actually sell it unlike Open Source Software which you can sell only once because the first person can just start giving away free copies. Sadly people in the open source realm tend to get pretty defensive when they see “proprietary”. Would cool if flathub at least implemented some kind of way to sell software even if Open Source, that would be a nice start.
First of all, RedHat now belongs to IBM, and they’ve never been shy about squeezing customers for a buck.
Second, having dealt with their support, it’s hit or miss to get a somebody helpful or an endless cycle of tickets. Patching and versioning is sometimes a complete mess.This especially sucks as the main reason most organizations go with RH versus others is for patching and support.
There’s also a lot of things where there’s a RH-specific implementation , which is further distancing fun other Linuxes and often ignores standard ways of configuring things.
RedHat actually benefitted from Fedora, CentOS etc as it allowed the community to develop products in a way that could be tested to be reasonably compatible, and to develop our port back fixes etc. It wasn’t just “RedHat made this and others just took it” but in many ways a symbiotic relationship. Yeah some orgs just went with CentOS but often it was those who worked on RH corporately would run CentOS at home in order to have a similar environment.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 05 May 2024 10:21
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I know they’re owned by IBM now. Doesn’t change anything about my comment.
And yeah there was a symbiotic relationship. There still is. Fedora is still quite alike RHEL in many ways, as is CentOS, as are the RHEL clones.
I legit thought that was about to be the joke he was going for at first.
shortwavesurfer@monero.town
on 02 May 2024 22:07
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I totally enjoyed this video!
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
on 02 May 2024 22:22
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Android?
aluminium@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 06:43
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MiUi for sure
Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 May 2024 06:46
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Oh definitely.
I still hate my old phone for locking ADB behind a Mi account registration and when I wanted to go into the theme settings some stupid marketplace app opened from which I could quit by hitting the back button to het to the actual android theme settings
aluminium@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 06:49
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yeah, also the constant wait times when you install APK… it used to be a decent OS but starting with MiUi 11 they started really enshitifiying big time.
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 03 May 2024 16:49
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And now they changed the name to HyperOS (my dad has a phone with it installed and is constantly complaining about it)
sounds like a perfect opportunity to use this account to unlock the bootloader and swap out the os for something not enshittified
Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 May 2024 21:21
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I thought about doing that but if I remember correctly they wanted some information during account creation that I was not willing to share (it was probably my phone number).
Doesn’t matter anymore. My new phone is a pixel 7 on which I immediately installed GrapheneOS
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
on 02 May 2024 21:56
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Whatever SCO thought they were doing.
darkpanda@lemmy.ca
on 03 May 2024 00:06
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Exit codes from processes are damage points that you take against your HP. When your HP runs out, the distro reformats itself to a clean state.
Takios@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 May 2024 09:00
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Instead of reformatting it just logs you out and demands buying a Heal Crystal for 350 Linux Diamonds. You can buy Linux Diamonds in packages of 400 for just 9.99 or buy the 800 package to get a 10% discount!
danielfgom@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 05:19
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We have this already. It’s called Ubuntu + Gnome
shaytan@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 May 2024 07:03
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Gnome isn’t bad, at all. The team has caused controversy and made mistakes, but gnome’s experience is great.
Talking about ubuntu, snaps suck, and it is more “bloated” than what you’d expect, but still, ubuntu isn’t half bad. Is mint better for what the ubuntu audience wants? Yes. Does ubuntu still work well? Yes
And ubuntu server rocks
borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 May 2024 13:37
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your autocorrect misspelled debian server in that last line there.
vynlwombat@lemmy.world
on 03 May 2024 14:10
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snaps (and the way canonical is pushing them) are awful at best. snaps are the one reason ive been meaning to hop right now, but its not the first time canonical pulls shit like this.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 03 May 2024 21:12
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Snaps can sandbox system applications, with no competitor capable in sight. So what is this shit Canonical is pulling?
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
on 03 May 2024 21:23
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a) having apt packages link a script that downloads the snap. That’s the first problem I had, back when I used Ubuntu as as snaps were rolling out. It gave me big trouble updating on bad internet connection.
b) making the server fixed and proprietary, restricting the freedom to do things differently and offer different changes to other users, that we’re used to in the Linux and FOSS world
not at all. speaking as someone who replaced snaps for flatpaks because this specific issue was bothering me a lot.
TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
on 04 May 2024 06:47
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I was using Snaps until last year just to know how they are doing. Snaps did not feel much slower. However, I felt like I became mature enough to use Debian, so jumped ship.
umbrella@lemmy.ml
on 03 May 2024 21:02
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even with all its faults and shitty maintainers, gnome is among the best ux of any de.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 05:05
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Gnome isn’t enshitification just because you prefer a different DE ffs
danielfgom@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 11:08
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To quote Clem, head of Linux Mint: “At a time where GNOME applications are less and less designed to work anywhere else than in GNOME, a project like XApp is extremely important.”
Libaidwata breaks backward compatibility with older gnome versions and amongst other things doesn’t allow theming natively, so the Cinnamon team are going to have to fork off and maintain the older code which works so they can continue to have theming and stuff with Gnome apps.
Gnome seem to like doing the opposite of the Linux philosophy which says interoperability should always be a priority so that the code can be shared as freely as possible.
I can’t tell whether they are stupid or lazy over at Gnome. It’s not enough to strip the DE down to nothing but now even the code that worked with previous, gnome still widely used, is being dumped.
They are a little island unto themselves.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 11:36
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That’s a whole lot of waffle without saying anything of substance.
“Gnome apps are designed primarily to fit into Gnome 😡😡😡” is not what enshitification means.
danielfgom@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 12:07
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Purposely breaking backwards compatibility knowing full well that other FLOSS DE’s rely on it is enshitification of the worst kind.
We all lose in the end.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
on 04 May 2024 12:23
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Not 👏 what 👏 enshitification 👏 means 👏
Gnome can theme their own apps however they like. It’s their project.
lengau@midwest.social
on 03 May 2024 13:53
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How about the maintainers blocking a package that’s included in the default repository for ideological reasons?
kawa@reddeet.com
on 03 May 2024 19:09
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Huh ? Not aware of this one, which distro and package ?
lengau@midwest.social
on 04 May 2024 22:52
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Some distro that uses the Ubuntu repos blocked users from even installing snapd manually without jumping through a bunch of manual hoops. It’s one thing to not preinstall it, but that reeked to me of exactly the “we know better than our users” attitude they were accusing Canonical of.
lengau@midwest.social
on 04 May 2024 22:52
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Some distro that uses the Ubuntu repos blocked users from even installing snapd manually without jumping through a bunch of manual hoops. It’s one thing to not preinstall it, but that reeked to me of exactly the “we know better than our users” attitude they were accusing Canonical of.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 May 2024 03:36
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not Linux but some open-source software with premium features that have menu items with diamond icons or something like that pointing to those features. you cannot hide the menu items and it keeps sending you notifications to subscribe to an annual license.
Ensh*ttification = Capitalism. Every point, every annoyance, every spy attack, all lock-ins, and so on, is a result of that archaic sponsored belief system…
threaded - newest
Anything with systemd, flatpak and any other type of vendor lock-in.
You may as well just complain about the kernel itself being the vendor lock in to Linux
Dude heard about vendor lock-in, but has no clue what it is.
Stop pushing your pro vendor lock in agenda!
What is vendor lock in? It is so simple to understand we don’t need to tell you.
Just switch to GNU/Hurd
/s
Might as well use Windows at that point
“Old man yells at cloud”
Someone doesn’t know what “vendor” means.
What would it look like? I’d guess Amazon ads in the search bar, proprietary package managers overriding the old open package manager, and popup ads for distribution Pro?
Wait…
Ubuntu was my first distro because ubuntu was linux for outsiders many years ago. Any other distro was only for hardcore people. I don’t regret hopping around the linux world.
I also started on Ubuntu. They used to be pretty great, good device support and basically no hassle. But I am done af and not going back.
That’s me as well, they did a lot to get newcomers in. It’s just easy to poke fun at them these days.
It was the only one that didn’t freeze when I plugged something into the USB port on my laptop when I started 20 years ago.
I’ve since moved to plain Debian because of canonical’s decisions.
I used Ubuntu for over 10 years. I loved it. But Canonical does have a lot of baggage. Plus, I wanted to go to the source. So that’s why I use Debian. I’d still advise a new user to go for Mint if they loved the Windows UI or Ubuntu if they hated it. If you use and love Mint, I don’t think anyone would criticize you for continuing to use it. If you use and love Ubuntu, I’d say Debian is a very easy next step.
I used to be “Debian on the server, Ubuntu on the desktop” but recently I’ve spun up a few Debian boxes for desktop and I’m pleasantly surprised.
Kinda wish Valve would go for a full-out supported distro that stays in step with the Deck for Linux gamers (the old desktop SteamOS is kinda abandoned from what I can see), among with making the deck frontend a supported desktop manager. It would make sense for them to do so and rake in the game sales whilst providing a well-supported platform without the shit others are doing.
Check out Bazzite, it’s basically that. I’ve been using it on my desktop for gaming and development for a month or so now and it’s been great.
Thanks. I’ll check into it but TBH I do really prefer .DEB based distros and that one seems to be Fedora based
Yeah I’ve got Debian on the server and on my laptop and I don’t know why I’d want anything more user experience focussed. It just works for me.
Same. I started really using Linux with Ubuntu 6.06 and was drawn in by its “Linux for human beings” goals - the Ubuntu homepage of the era really pushed the ideals of community and openness. Canonical sat in the background paying to send you free CDs in the mail. It was such an idealistic thing back then.
And then it all changed around 2010. The color scheme shifted to a shitty MacOS lookalike, the human elements were dropped, the logo was reworked, it got bundled with a paid music store, then Amazon ads in the search, and it’s been a roller coaster on a downward spiral ever since. I switched to Debian not long after the initial enshittification in the early 2010s and have not looked back, though I moved most of my systems to Arch a few years back because I like life in the fast rolling release lane and Debian wouldn’t support my new GPUs.
Hey! Sorry for the offtopic comment but… Glad you made it to Lemmy, and from the bottom of my heart: thank you so much for OpenRGB.
Awesome collab with KDE, Tuxedo, looking forward to the kernel implementation !
Huh? Is the previous poster an OpenRGB developer? That’s cool!
He’s the lead dev, his profile pic is the OpenRGB logo and his nickname is the same across social networks.
I got into linux right before all the snap drama really blew up (it did exist but didn’t seem to be quite as hot of a topic). I really liked my experience with Ubuntu, but seeing where Canonical has taken it, I’d never recommend it to anyone. I’d honestly advise newbies to use Debian. It’s incredibly stable, has a fantastic and well established community, and has everything an average user would want without adding layers of confusion with things like snap.
What Fuckbuntu spin is that?
Ubuntu has had all three of those things. Amazon ads in the search bar was awhile back. Not sure but I assume they still hijack installing Firefox using apt and instead install it using snap. And Ubuntu Pro popups are a new thing.
You forgot selling user searches to amazon
Now that I was not aware of. WTF?
youtu.be/CP8CNp-vksc?si=6sXTXQcTG0dQpJqy&t=89
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/CP8CNp-vksc?si=6sXTXQcTG0dQpJqy&t=89
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
That’s insane.
Does anyone know if this is still the case? This video is 11 years old, but logic and common sense tell me that, if anything, it should be even worse now.
No clue, but they did their “whoopsie, didn’t know you wouldn’t like it, now it’s opt in” pretty quickly.
A while back I’ve read about some allegations that they’re illegally collecting data from Azure Ubuntu instances and sending Ubuntu pro marketing material.
It’s ridiculous how Ubuntu went from the easiest entry to Linux to one of the most hated distros in the community. Seriously, I’ll never understand how the broken brains of their leadership even work.
Ah, now it’s clear. The Apple of the Linux world.
Not so much broken as change of focus. Their focus now is money, and it’s hard to turn down hundreds of millions of dollars.
There are ways to not having to turn them down while still providing a good product.
Stock
🤣
snap instead of deb
$ snips install …Android?
snaps heh
this but unironically
Like Windows.
Updates are available for $14.99 a month.
what if you are sponsoring a dev by means of something like regular donations?
I'm ok with dropping a few bucks if I like them, but monthly is just more bills to worry about. Dropping $20 once is a lot easier than drip feeding it over a year and hoping I remember to manage it. It also comes with the expectations of delivery/trade vs buying the dude lunch.
Windows, it would look like windows…
LinuxFX…
fine by me if they can imitate windows, sans all the ads, dark patterns, and shitty business model.
windows is actually a halfway decent os underneath all the enshittification crud.
To me it’s enshitification because they grabbed Linux and KDE and added all the unethical spyware on top of it, EDGE browser comes to mind…which last I checked shares you data with 927 advertising companies… Maybe it’s a higher number now…
even that I would argue is enshitified due to all the spying stuff they put into it… Microsoft is real life E Corp
I know this is a joke but “Enshittification” requires there to be a monopoly that abuses commercial customers along with users. Linux distros can’t really have monopolies since the switching costs are so low.
What about a distro that artificially raises the switching cost?
…with AI
<img alt="Annoyed" src="https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/275444f3-bf32-4bc8-87a2-48f280bbe521.png">
Except if you are locked out of system management and you just can’t switch. Or only at the price of hardware incompatibilities and consumer apps refusing to work when they see you after practicing your ownership of the device.
See Android.
The video actually addresses that by mentioning a company coming in nice at first and then doing EEE to kill off ll competition and leave them the only significant player in the space
Real question, how difficult is moving from Red Hat to SUSE?
How hard is it for you to install a different distro? That’s how hard.
Not really. On Lemmy, it seems to just refer to anything these days
And that includes theoretical predictions for things that never happened yet
it can happen if you have some form vendor lockin, or if you are an oligarch in a cartel. it doesnt need a monopoly strictly speaking.
Made by Microsoft
Yes, that does exist, and no, it’s not for consumers, but if it did, it would look and feel like an enshittified Linux distro.
GNU/ME
Yeah that would be terrible, imagine if you were to run some updates and the package manager went like “Get <name of the distro> Pro! You will get better updates and support”
Whatever the Steam Deck would be if Valve went full Linux desktop?
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22.10 or something uninstalled gnome software and the flatpak runtime on upgrade for me, exactly like windows does.
im this close to hopping away, i will soon get this update so lets see if they pull shit again.
Ads on terminal
i would have been fine with them if it was only actual announcements like canonical implied it would be. but well as it turns out it wasn’t.
Using sudo costs in game currency
Sudo is on a cooldown
I use rdo.
That's locked behind the battle pass
😲
Ubuntu
Increasingly so, and following the path that RedHat was taking prior (and probably worse to come given their new ownership)
What did RedHat do? Did I miss something?
Nothing, someone who never needed access to the RHEL snapshot source is butt hurt that it only exists as part of centOS stream, making it harder for community rebuilds to exist.
It’s no big deal for 95% of users, truly a nonissue. That last 5% can buy RHEL for production or use it for free for personal hosting or development.
RedHat is one of, if not the, biggest contributors to Linux. They offer RHEL, which you license as a business or use for free for personal use.
RedHat became pissed off about contributing so much to the Linux ecosystem when a number of other corporate distros simply took their product, changed the name, then shoved it out the door with a price tag that undercuts them, taking money while contributing virtually nothing to the wider ecosystem.
And to be clear I don’t mean distros based on RHEL, like Pop/Elementary/Mint is to Ubuntu, I mean literally clones. The exact same software with zero differences other than name.
RH then changed their subscription terms so that redistribution of their source code means they can drop you as a RHEL customer. I.e. you wouldn’t have access to further to source code.
This is widely believed to be compatible with the GPL licence that Linux uses — GPL only guarantees users need to be able to see source code, not necessarily that it has to be completely open for anybody to see. GPL also doesn’t compel the developer to provide updates for everyone, so if the developer thinks you’ve broken other terms they’ve set, they are allowed to drop you/not deal with you further. GPL doesn’t force a developer to have you as their continued customer.
People argue that RH may well be complying with the GPL legally, but they aren’t in spirit.
I’m still not sure where I come down on it tbh. Philosophically I want RH to go with the spirit of the GPL, but I do find it really shitty that a number of other projects just straight up take RH’s product, put a different name on it, and skim money away from an organisation that has transformed the Linux desktop and made it usable.
Thing is, I don’t even think it’s worked. They can still get all the packages by pulling it in a slightly cumbersome way from CentOS.
I think what they tried to achieve was to get rid of the “bit to bit” copypasted distributions which they at least made harder to make. So I suppose at least the cost to “steal the RHEL source” is higher.
btw I dislike that Free Software is also free (0.00 €) software. I feel like there should be some kind of chimera license which would first be proprietary with source available and after a certain time after purchase the code would be open source for the buyer. So you could actually sell it unlike Open Source Software which you can sell only once because the first person can just start giving away free copies. Sadly people in the open source realm tend to get pretty defensive when they see “proprietary”. Would cool if flathub at least implemented some kind of way to sell software even if Open Source, that would be a nice start.
That’s actually not what I was referring to.
First of all, RedHat now belongs to IBM, and they’ve never been shy about squeezing customers for a buck.
Second, having dealt with their support, it’s hit or miss to get a somebody helpful or an endless cycle of tickets. Patching and versioning is sometimes a complete mess.This especially sucks as the main reason most organizations go with RH versus others is for patching and support.
There’s also a lot of things where there’s a RH-specific implementation , which is further distancing fun other Linuxes and often ignores standard ways of configuring things.
RedHat actually benefitted from Fedora, CentOS etc as it allowed the community to develop products in a way that could be tested to be reasonably compatible, and to develop our port back fixes etc. It wasn’t just “RedHat made this and others just took it” but in many ways a symbiotic relationship. Yeah some orgs just went with CentOS but often it was those who worked on RH corporately would run CentOS at home in order to have a similar environment.
I know they’re owned by IBM now. Doesn’t change anything about my comment.
And yeah there was a symbiotic relationship. There still is. Fedora is still quite alike RHEL in many ways, as is CentOS, as are the RHEL clones.
None of this goes against my comment.
honestly canocical was doing some enshittification type stuff even before redhat was acquired by the corporate overlords.
I legit thought that was about to be the joke he was going for at first.
I totally enjoyed this video!
Android?
MiUi for sure
Oh definitely.
I still hate my old phone for locking ADB behind a Mi account registration and when I wanted to go into the theme settings some stupid marketplace app opened from which I could quit by hitting the back button to het to the actual android theme settings
yeah, also the constant wait times when you install APK… it used to be a decent OS but starting with MiUi 11 they started really enshitifiying big time.
And now they changed the name to HyperOS (my dad has a phone with it installed and is constantly complaining about it)
sounds like a perfect opportunity to use this account to unlock the bootloader and swap out the os for something not enshittified
I thought about doing that but if I remember correctly they wanted some information during account creation that I was not willing to share (it was probably my phone number).
Doesn’t matter anymore. My new phone is a pixel 7 on which I immediately installed GrapheneOS
Whatever SCO thought they were doing.
Exit codes from processes are damage points that you take against your HP. When your HP runs out, the distro reformats itself to a clean state.
Instead of reformatting it just logs you out and demands buying a Heal Crystal for 350 Linux Diamonds. You can buy Linux Diamonds in packages of 400 for just 9.99 or buy the 800 package to get a 10% discount!
We have this already. It’s called Ubuntu + Gnome
Gnome isn’t bad, at all. The team has caused controversy and made mistakes, but gnome’s experience is great.
Talking about ubuntu, snaps suck, and it is more “bloated” than what you’d expect, but still, ubuntu isn’t half bad. Is mint better for what the ubuntu audience wants? Yes. Does ubuntu still work well? Yes
And ubuntu server rocks
your autocorrect misspelled debian server in that last line there.
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I tried Ubuntu again recently for the first time in years.
Between Snaps and having to create an account to get security updates, I quickly gave up on it.
Redhat already did it
Another Snap/systemd hater idiot spotted. Bet you compile every single package with musl on Gentoo on your Libreboot toaster.
snaps (and the way canonical is pushing them) are awful at best. snaps are the one reason ive been meaning to hop right now, but its not the first time canonical pulls shit like this.
Snaps can sandbox system applications, with no competitor capable in sight. So what is this shit Canonical is pulling?
a) having apt packages link a script that downloads the snap. That’s the first problem I had, back when I used Ubuntu as as snaps were rolling out. It gave me big trouble updating on bad internet connection.
b) making the server fixed and proprietary, restricting the freedom to do things differently and offer different changes to other users, that we’re used to in the Linux and FOSS world
in addition to what the guy said:
how it doesnt respect standards like XDG, and how painfully slow it is.
No, it is not slow in performance. First time startup is just as slow on Flatpak.
not at all. speaking as someone who replaced snaps for flatpaks because this specific issue was bothering me a lot.
I was using Snaps until last year just to know how they are doing. Snaps did not feel much slower. However, I felt like I became mature enough to use Debian, so jumped ship.
even with all its faults and shitty maintainers, gnome is among the best ux of any de.
Gnome isn’t enshitification just because you prefer a different DE ffs
To quote Clem, head of Linux Mint: “At a time where GNOME applications are less and less designed to work anywhere else than in GNOME, a project like XApp is extremely important.”
Libaidwata breaks backward compatibility with older gnome versions and amongst other things doesn’t allow theming natively, so the Cinnamon team are going to have to fork off and maintain the older code which works so they can continue to have theming and stuff with Gnome apps.
Gnome seem to like doing the opposite of the Linux philosophy which says interoperability should always be a priority so that the code can be shared as freely as possible.
I can’t tell whether they are stupid or lazy over at Gnome. It’s not enough to strip the DE down to nothing but now even the code that worked with previous, gnome still widely used, is being dumped.
They are a little island unto themselves.
That’s a whole lot of waffle without saying anything of substance.
“Gnome apps are designed primarily to fit into Gnome 😡😡😡” is not what enshitification means.
Purposely breaking backwards compatibility knowing full well that other FLOSS DE’s rely on it is enshitification of the worst kind.
We all lose in the end.
Not 👏 what 👏 enshitification 👏 means 👏
Gnome can theme their own apps however they like. It’s their project.
How about the maintainers blocking a package that’s included in the default repository for ideological reasons?
Huh ? Not aware of this one, which distro and package ?
Some distro that uses the Ubuntu repos blocked users from even installing snapd manually without jumping through a bunch of manual hoops. It’s one thing to not preinstall it, but that reeked to me of exactly the “we know better than our users” attitude they were accusing Canonical of.
what happened on this one?
Some distro that uses the Ubuntu repos blocked users from even installing snapd manually without jumping through a bunch of manual hoops. It’s one thing to not preinstall it, but that reeked to me of exactly the “we know better than our users” attitude they were accusing Canonical of.
you know windows 8?
like that
not Linux but some open-source software with premium features that have menu items with diamond icons or something like that pointing to those features. you cannot hide the menu items and it keeps sending you notifications to subscribe to an annual license.
Ensh*ttification = Capitalism. Every point, every annoyance, every spy attack, all lock-ins, and so on, is a result of that archaic sponsored belief system…