mesamunefire@lemmy.world
on 26 Jun 19:09
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Some people think it’s a status symbol, but most people don’t care. But yeah it’s above 50 percent now and climbing (in the US).
I have both from time to time. I wish there was a viable 3rd party than picking our favorite multi-billion dollar company, but as a developer, I need both.
toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jun 18:13
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Its a small company without VC, seems ok so far. Chinese track record for open sourcing things isnt too good because chinese courts dont care about the GPL I think, however they sound like linux enthusiasts, so Im optimistic.
toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 26 Jun 18:08
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Im very interested in an officially supported linux phone, however the fitmware seems not to be upstream(yet?). I hope it will be upstreamed, or else were back to square one with linux mobile hardware support if they stop working on it!
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 26 Jun 18:13
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China and upstream do not combine. I wouldn’t be surprised if the bootloader was non unlockable too.
ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social
on 27 Jun 20:35
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Hong Kong only recently became part of China. (This was not correct, it became part of China in 1997). I’m sure the protests are fresh in people’s minds still. If anywhere would want private phones it would be HK.
GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml
on 28 Jun 11:00
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Wait China conquered HK already???
ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social
on 29 Jun 00:50
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China didn’t “conquer” anything. They had an agreement that would keep them independent until a certain date and that date passed. So HK now belongs to China, as was agreed.
I was a little misinformed, it turns out HK has belonged to China since 1997, and the recent protests were just because of some policy changes that make China’s influence stronger in regards to their ability to extradite people into mainland China.
Yet another Linux phone with subpar specs. That processor is quite underwhelming even compared to Google’s Tensor G1, a proc that many regard as crap as is and it beats this Dimensity 900 handily.
I don’t think this is the case here. Like, this is dead on arrival in most of Europe without WhatsApp. My phone is my most important device. I cannot access my bank account without it. But banks will not allow me to use that phone as a factor for authentication.
5 or 10 years ago you could have forced those companies to either support something third party or develop for a new phone os but now we are stuck with android and ios until something really messed up happens to our economy or until one of them really fucks up and gets into legal trouble to a point where they can’t sell phones or services anymore.
sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al
on 27 Jun 13:00
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You’re not wrong. But remember that with the new law, third party apps can send and receive WhatsApp messages now.
Yes but then you are half a percent of the user base that a new phone manufacturer would want to attract. And in Germany at least it is literally impossible to have a social life outside of the nerd bubble if you don’t use WhatsApp.
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
on 26 Jun 23:08
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I mean Android is not magic, but a huge step up from desktop Linux regarding security, minimalism, battery life, …
They also just use an LTS kernel, and I even found a Vulkan package.
The simple, core principle, security without compromises, is not hard, everythig is there.
And at the same time you can fix many of the Google issues, privacy invasiveness, design that sucks…
According to the Librem people: this is Android kernel (& other low level stuff) with Debian userspace, not a true Debian phone.
social.librem.one/@dos/112686932765355105
theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
on 27 Jun 21:04
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At least it might actually get delivered, unlike the librem 5… /s (but not really)
bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world
on 28 Jun 11:45
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These specs actually seem really solid for the price point, I’m glad to see decent alternative smartphones popping up that actually have some power.
What’s bugging me is the lack of information about the software. Apparently this is Android with a layer like Hallium to run a Debian userspace on top? And yet they don’t advertise that fact. It’s just a little off putting that this product seems to be aimed at Linux/general tech enthusiasts, yet the company seemed to miss the fact that those customers tend to really like knowing what they’re running under the hood.
I thought $500 for only 6GB of ram is really disappointing.
bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world
on 29 Jun 02:01
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I mean, I use maybe 3-4gb at any given time, without limiting myself. I personally don’t need heaps of RAM, 6gb is enough to have some overhead for me.
I haven’t looked at too many prices recently, I’ve had the same phone for a while, but this doesn’t seem to unreasonable imo, especially considering this is the first product from a small, new company.
I have the Samsung one right now, but the problem with it is that I can’t charge while listening to music and I ain’t gonna sacrifice sound quality with a 2 in 1 dongle.
I really want phones like this to actually work and to succeed, but there are so many things these companies have to get just right – it’s a huge undertaking.
Releasing a phone that’s admittedly unfinished seems really risky. People are getting sick of unfinished products being tossed at them for full price, with the empty promises from the company that those missing features will be added in later.
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Since when?
just a wierd line break
since you crawled under a rock /s
This is Patrick.
It just shows the shady nature of this new company
The register is out of the UK and the bulk of their readership is in the US, in both places apple has above 50% market share.
Thx. I didn’t knew it was that bad
Some people think it’s a status symbol, but most people don’t care. But yeah it’s above 50 percent now and climbing (in the US).
I have both from time to time. I wish there was a viable 3rd party than picking our favorite multi-billion dollar company, but as a developer, I need both.
It is over 80% if you only look at the youth
True. Apple is straight up dystopia.
I mean, do we have viable alternative? Like every popular brand is from similar tech megacorps.
Android is open source
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Its a small company without VC, seems ok so far. Chinese track record for open sourcing things isnt too good because chinese courts dont care about the GPL I think, however they sound like linux enthusiasts, so Im optimistic.
I was more concerned with government ties.
Im very interested in an officially supported linux phone, however the fitmware seems not to be upstream(yet?). I hope it will be upstreamed, or else were back to square one with linux mobile hardware support if they stop working on it!
China and upstream do not combine. I wouldn’t be surprised if the bootloader was non unlockable too.
Hong Kong only recently became part of China.(This was not correct, it became part of China in 1997). I’m sure the protests are fresh in people’s minds still. If anywhere would want private phones it would be HK.Wait China conquered HK already???
China didn’t “conquer” anything. They had an agreement that would keep them independent until a certain date and that date passed. So HK now belongs to China, as was agreed.
I was a little misinformed, it turns out HK has belonged to China since 1997, and the recent protests were just because of some policy changes that make China’s influence stronger in regards to their ability to extradite people into mainland China.
They will upstream stuff, but sadly they are not going to mainline.
mastodon.social/@GranPC/112690143171368646
Yet another Linux phone with subpar specs. That processor is quite underwhelming even compared to Google’s Tensor G1, a proc that many regard as crap as is and it beats this Dimensity 900 handily.
I think about creating a phone out of a raspberry Pi compute module and include a dedicated NPU in the build 🤔
That would be just as proprietary as Android
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We’ve tried this before. Didn’t work out very well from what I remember.
Sometimes ideas are ahead of their time.
I don’t think this is the case here. Like, this is dead on arrival in most of Europe without WhatsApp. My phone is my most important device. I cannot access my bank account without it. But banks will not allow me to use that phone as a factor for authentication.
5 or 10 years ago you could have forced those companies to either support something third party or develop for a new phone os but now we are stuck with android and ios until something really messed up happens to our economy or until one of them really fucks up and gets into legal trouble to a point where they can’t sell phones or services anymore.
You’re not wrong. But remember that with the new law, third party apps can send and receive WhatsApp messages now.
And you can use matrix bridges or whatsapp web via phone as a server at home
I personally refuse to use anything that requires that I install a proprietary app. F-droid or the highway
Yes but then you are half a percent of the user base that a new phone manufacturer would want to attract. And in Germany at least it is literally impossible to have a social life outside of the nerd bubble if you don’t use WhatsApp.
I mean Android is not magic, but a huge step up from desktop Linux regarding security, minimalism, battery life, …
They also just use an LTS kernel, and I even found a Vulkan package.
The simple, core principle, security without compromises, is not hard, everythig is there.
And at the same time you can fix many of the Google issues, privacy invasiveness, design that sucks…
So it will have good mainline linux support?
No. It uses Hallium (Android kernel, basically).
A phone for furis? How nice :3
According to the Librem people: this is Android kernel (& other low level stuff) with Debian userspace, not a true Debian phone. social.librem.one/@dos/112686932765355105
At least it might actually get delivered, unlike the librem 5… /s (but not really)
It’s already delivered - a Mastodon user got one.
But getting an OEM to make a phone under your brand is easy. The real question is how long will they keep the software maintained?
These people seem like passionate Linux enthusiasts, so one can hope.
So, not the droid we Are looking for… :(
Huzzah! A Linux phone with specs that wouldn’t have looked pathetic five years ago!
Actually, those specs are comparable to the Pixel 7a I’m writing this on at a slightly cheaper price! Has the era of the Linux phone begun?
Is it better than PinePhone?
I don’t think so
These specs actually seem really solid for the price point, I’m glad to see decent alternative smartphones popping up that actually have some power.
What’s bugging me is the lack of information about the software. Apparently this is Android with a layer like Hallium to run a Debian userspace on top? And yet they don’t advertise that fact. It’s just a little off putting that this product seems to be aimed at Linux/general tech enthusiasts, yet the company seemed to miss the fact that those customers tend to really like knowing what they’re running under the hood.
I thought $500 for only 6GB of ram is really disappointing.
I mean, I use maybe 3-4gb at any given time, without limiting myself. I personally don’t need heaps of RAM, 6gb is enough to have some overhead for me.
I haven’t looked at too many prices recently, I’ve had the same phone for a while, but this doesn’t seem to unreasonable imo, especially considering this is the first product from a small, new company.
Oh wow 3-4 is great. My current android phone is using 9Gb out of 12. It’s insane. I have no idea what’s using it all.
I hope that since this phone isn’t running android, 6gb will be enough.
It should be. With zram, I can use similar software even on a 2 GB RAM device somewhat comfortably, unless I open too many tabs in Firefox.
Furry Phone? Is this going to make me want to fuck a gazelle? Again?
It has a fucking headphone jack?!? I might actually consider this as my next device.
Just use a $5 USB-C to 3.5mm DAC?
I have the Samsung one right now, but the problem with it is that I can’t charge while listening to music and I ain’t gonna sacrifice sound quality with a 2 in 1 dongle.
I really want phones like this to actually work and to succeed, but there are so many things these companies have to get just right – it’s a huge undertaking.
Releasing a phone that’s admittedly unfinished seems really risky. People are getting sick of unfinished products being tossed at them for full price, with the empty promises from the company that those missing features will be added in later.
Tough choice. Personally I wouldve taken display out over a macro camera.
Furry Phone yay