Zorin OS 17.3 replaced the default Browser from Firefox(Old) to Brave(New). (blog.zorin.com)
from Tea@programming.dev to linux@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 19:53
https://programming.dev/post/28008391

In light of Mozilla’s recent policy changes, we no longer feel assured that Firefox aligns with our commitment to protect your privacy. This prompted us to revisit the choice of default web browser in Zorin OS 17.3.

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azron@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 19:55 next collapse

How is brave the lesser of those two evils?

FreshLight@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 20:03 next collapse

Based on absolutely nothing, I feel like it isn’t…

F04118F@feddit.nl on 03 Apr 20:21 next collapse

While the company has a questionable record and a controversial business model, Brave Browser is an open-source browser with good privacy features.

BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 20:35 collapse

You could replace “Brave Browser” with Firefox and the statement would still be true.

At least Firefox wasn’t caught hijacking affiliate links.

Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml on 03 Apr 21:22 next collapse

Something ive actually wondered is if firefox is hurting for money so bad why doesnt it allow a toggle where a user can willingly just turn every purchase via the browser into a firefox affiliate link? If the user is approving it and its not a shady forced thing i see no issue with it, and it would generate plenty of revenue without needing to be beholden to ad companies or google. It’d be like allowing users to donate, without actually costing them any extra money, everytime they make an online purchase.

Shareni@programming.dev on 04 Apr 07:22 next collapse

Instead of thinking up new ways for them to make money, maybe think why they’ve got money issues.

Maybe it’s got something to do with the different CEOs doubling their multi-milion salaries every few years.

Or maybe their numerous idiotic acquisitions like the pocket.

Or maybe they’re super strapped for cash because they moved their fuckhead of a CEO to AI development.

I love FF, but fuck Mozilla and everything it represents.

Also, fun stats from the moz corp wiki:

  • Revenue in 2023: $653 million
  • Software development expenses in 2023: $260 million
  • Total expenses in 2023: $496 million
Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml on 04 Apr 14:50 collapse

Yeah i mean true if its just an issue with their org then thats a different case. I do think that sort of money making model would work well though so maybe it could be used to fund a new browser.

markinov@lemmygrad.ml on 04 Apr 15:54 collapse

Will it be legal? Recently honey extension was caught doing this, though without user consent.

Even with user consent, would businesses work with firefox affiliate if it is not actually attracting sales, but taking a portion of sales, and thus reducing profit, just because the sale is made through the browser?

Firefox tried “privacy friendly ad” but that has also received community backslash because it turns users into products and doing anything like that would make their profit engine go boom and exploit private data. Wouldn’t the similar backslash also apply in affiliated sales?

Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml on 04 Apr 16:46 collapse

The way i see it if its opt in theres no issue. This would be something that wouldn’t happen unless you manually turned it on.

F04118F@feddit.nl on 04 Apr 06:40 collapse

Is privacyguides wrong?

BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 06:15 collapse

pcmag.com/…/brave-browser-caught-redirecting-user…

I’m not going to defend Mozilla by any means, but if you care about privacy, you wouldn’t use a browser based on Chrome anyway.

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 20:55 next collapse

Chromium is more secure, so if you add privacy tweaks, it is arguably better: …github.io/firefox-chromium.html#jit-hardening

(Btw I use Firefox)

BaalInvoker@lemmy.eco.br on 03 Apr 21:00 next collapse

Crypto scam browser is never a better evil…

EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 01:47 collapse

It isn’t.

Brave sucks Google balls.

Enkers@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 20:07 next collapse

While FF’s evil quotient has been on the rise, Brave definitely isn’t a better option. If anything, librewolf is the way to go.

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 20:54 next collapse

Doesn’t Librewolf log you out of every site when you close it, by default? I don’t think that’s a good default

Enkers@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 21:32 next collapse

That is the default behaviour, but it’s pretty trivial to change. Also, I’d imagine the distro maintainer could choose to change the default settings as part of a post-install script, if they wanted to.

Edit: Not sure why you’re being downvoted, as I do think it’s a valid concern.

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:17 collapse

Probably getting downvoted by fanboys.

KindaABigDyl@programming.dev on 03 Apr 22:01 collapse

It has to be the default tho, bc the whole point of Librewolf is that it’s trying to by default be untraceable and private.

It’s very easy to disable that and re-enable cookies and the like, but your default experience will fundamentally be private, which is its goal

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 23:08 next collapse

Ok but like, that makes a terrible default for Zorin OS users. They’re gonna be confused and think it’s some hot garbage

KindaABigDyl@programming.dev on 04 Apr 15:50 collapse

Right. So perhaps Librewolf isn’t a good choice for Zorin OS

Enkers@sh.itjust.works on 04 Apr 01:17 next collapse

That’s not the only point though. IIRC, they also remove telemetry, and pocket as well as some other things. I personally turn back on persistent sessions and history, but leave all the other privacy features there.

KindaABigDyl@programming.dev on 04 Apr 15:55 collapse

I personally turn back on persistent sessions and history

I did as well.

My point is just that it makes sense to be the default in that browser given its inclination towards privacy.

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:18 collapse

It’s very easy to

Sigh. This is what makes you people bad designers.

KindaABigDyl@programming.dev on 03 Apr 22:00 next collapse

What’s wrong with Brave?

  • Based on Chromium so good web support
  • Decent privacy
  • Built-in adblock
  • Easy to customize
  • Open Source

It’s the browser I’ve chosen to use after getting fed up w/ Gecko’s terrible web compatibility these days (coming from Librewolf).

What’s wrong with it? How is it evil?

jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 22:24 next collapse
Enkers@sh.itjust.works on 03 Apr 23:47 next collapse

Asides from the kinda-shady crypto stuff and the other things that’ve already been mentioned, just philosophically it should be kinda evident that over-concentration on one corporate controlled rendering engine isn’t a good thing. Google wants the internet to be a walled garden with themselves as the sole decision makers so they can stuff ads down your throat.

Gecko’s web compat is bad largely because of this over-concentration.

KindaABigDyl@programming.dev on 04 Apr 15:52 collapse

just philosophically it should be kinda evident that over-concentration on one corporate controlled rendering engine isn’t a good thing

Totally with you on that point.

However, I feel now that Gecko has already lost. I was a long-time FF and later Librewolf user, but Websites don’t care to support FF as much, so I’d have important sites break. I’d have to have a Chromium-based backup anyway.

So I’ve now given up on that from. I have no real choice but to use Blink in some capacity.

tuckerm@feddit.online on 04 Apr 00:13 next collapse

The thing I dislike about Brave is that Brave intends to be an advertising company. Brave's original idea for revenue was that the browser itself should be the ad platform. Brave doesn't block ads because it has a pro-user manifesto; it blocks ads because it dislikes competition.

That's why it makes no sense for people to abandon Firefox for Brave. I understand the backlash against Mozilla's recent ad-focused shift, but Brave invented that idea. So leaving Firefox for Brave is not an improvement.

It's the browser I've chosen to use after getting fed up w/ Gecko's terrible web compatibility these days (coming from Librewolf).

I'm curious about what those compatibility issues are. It's been years since I've noticed any problems -- and back when I was seeing problems, it was mainly because Google could afford to implement new standards faster than Mozilla could, not because Mozilla was doing anything wrong. Could it have been because of Librewolf? Librewolf has a ton of privacy-focused settings that can sometimes make pages behave in strange ways. (It doesn't use your real time zone, it ignores dark mode, it lies about which OS you're on, and it constantly clears your cookies to name a few.)

And on a meta-note: I dislike Brave, but I don't think the parent here is a comment that needs to be downvoted. We can just explain why Brave is a bad idea.

KindaABigDyl@programming.dev on 04 Apr 15:49 collapse

Could it have been because of Librewolf?

Some issues definitiely were, but I also noticed issues when going back to regular Firefox and on Firefox mobile and Mull (which is sorta like Librewolf principles but for FF Mobile).

it was mainly because Google could afford to implement new standards faster than Mozilla could

I think that’s exactly what happens.

It definitely wasn’t Firefox’s fault for the compat issues.

Websites would work for months, and then one day only work in Chromium browsers. Sometimes they’d come back. Sometimes only parts would fail. Sometimes they’d never come back. These sites were changing things and breaking Gecko compatibility, but never Blink compatibility. I’d try turning off all the privacy settings, disabling ad blockers and extensions too, but nothing could fix it except using a Blink browser.

So I don’t blame Firefox/Librewolf for this, but it also means I suddenly couldn’t, say, access my loan payment as an example in Firefox. That’s one that broke. I need that to work. It works in Chrome, but not in FF (actually I think it came back to working in FF eventually)

I was always having to have 2 browsers installed, Firefox-based for most things and a Chromium-based backup.

One day I realize that it doesn’t make sense to use a FF-based browser, since if I have to have a Chromium-based backup anyway, I might as well just use a Chromium browser. I didn’t want to use a it, I’m generally against it Blink, but I feel that Gecko has already lost the war. I have no choice. FF is not long for this world

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 04 Apr 01:50 collapse

What’s wrong is that we’re on the Fediverse and many here write off Brave because the founder is “homophobic” because he’s a conservative Christian. Sure, they make up all sorts of shallow justifications like “it’s a crypto scam” but it definitely boils down to the “homophobic” whining.

Peasley@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 06:53 collapse

Found Brendan Eich’s sockpuppet :)

A conservative can’t be a Christian, and vice versa. Jesus was absolutely clear: He cares as much about the sex of who you sleep with as He does about the fabric of your underwear. Hatred is never justified.

Homophobia is a plenty good reason not to use a browser. Eich is an unscrupulous person at best, and his name leaves a stink on any project he is involved with. Unsurprising that Brave has decided to embrace the crypto fad and is moving towards becoming an ad platform.

Brave is a scammy project founded by a scummy person. I’m not sure FOSS development can fix that as long as he is in charge.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 04 Apr 11:00 collapse

Read the Bible. Even the apostle Paul reiterates that it’s sinful.

As I said before, it all comes down to the “homophobia” argument. No good reasons, just a hatred of its founder. Pretty sad, if you ask me.

Peasley@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 13:21 next collapse

To take that passage (Romans 1) and to interpret it to mean that Homosexuality should be persecuted is to ignore Jesus’ lessons in favor of one’s own hatred. That’s not Christian at all. It also ignores the rest of Romans.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 04 Apr 23:05 collapse

Again, read the Bible. That’s all I’ll say because it’s obvious to me that you’ve probably only read scraps through third parties within the context of progressive “Christianity”.

Peasley@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 00:17 collapse

You’ve got me wrong, but do what you think is best.

A comprehensive reading involves slowing down and taking context into account. It was included for a reason.

bunkyprewster@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 16:01 collapse

God, I hate Paul. He seems to be the source of most of the shitty things in Christianity.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 04 Apr 23:06 collapse

All Scripture is God-breathed. Take it up with Him.

mriormro@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 09:32 next collapse

Lol, imagine thinking any of that half-baked fanfic was real.

bunkyprewster@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 12:22 next collapse

Actually I think they had a kind of committee to decide what was “scripture” and what wasn’t.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 05 Apr 12:53 collapse

Did you seriously just do the Ackchyually meme?

loren@lemm.ee on 07 Apr 15:19 collapse

I’ll never understand why this cult-like shit is accepted in the mainstream. Where is some tangible, irrefutable evidence that your god exists?

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 07 Apr 19:33 collapse

There are boatloads of things that we don’t have tangible, irrefutable evidence for, yet we believe in. It’s called faith. You have faith in things, you just don’t want to admit it. And just because I have faith in things that you don’t doesn’t mean that I don’t have the right to have that faith.

loren@lemm.ee on 14 Apr 16:36 collapse

I have trust in people and things based on experiences I’ve had and the people I trust have had but blind faith? No, I don’t think I do have that because that’s fucking stupid.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 15 Apr 02:03 collapse

You really do, you just don’t want to admit it. It’s okay, you don’t have to be angry at God. Just let go.

HouseWolf@lemm.ee on 03 Apr 23:34 collapse

As a Librewolf user I wouldn’t make it default for casual users this kind of distro is aiming for. Sure enabling logins to use it as a main browser is piss easy, but that’s still more work than the average person wants to put into setting up their system.

Waterfox would be the better choice since it’s just default Firefox in every way besides Mozilla’s spyware.

tuckerm@feddit.online on 04 Apr 00:28 next collapse

Agreed, I wouldn't recommend Librewolf for casual users. I understand why Librewolf makes those decisions, and I'm glad that it exists, but you definitely run into some quirks when using it. I'm thinking about switching from Librewolf to Waterfox myself.

hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 05:02 next collapse

there’s Zen also. that also has normie defaults, however the drastically changed UI/Uxmight not be for everyone.

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:16 collapse

Ugh. Why can’t designers recognize they don’t need to do things different just for the sake of being different?

I guess it’s what makes them bad designers.

commander@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 20:12 next collapse

That’s a clown makeup moment for Zorin OS

SatyrSack@feddit.org on 03 Apr 20:34 next collapse

Maybe this was not supposed to have been posted until April fool’s day. Silly Zorin was too early for the joke.

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 03 Apr 20:57 next collapse

Not sure why they don’t just ship Firefox with extensions like uBlock pre-installed

Edit: it looks like they’re heavily tweaking Brave regardless. I doubt this move was for technical reasons

troyunrau@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 21:48 next collapse

Probably someone’s pet project

Shareni@programming.dev on 04 Apr 07:25 collapse

Or, you know, a marketing company that develops a browser maybe bought an ad

XTL@sopuli.xyz on 05 Apr 20:23 collapse

Brave is a series scam company. There are only two reasons anyone would support them: They were scammed, or they joined in the scam.

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 20:57 collapse

Or like, they want a built-in ad blocker and Tor support in a privacy respecting browser, as explained in the article

jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 03 Apr 21:19 next collapse

Wow, never recommending zorin to anyone again. Switching from gecko to chromium is a dumb move.

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 22:04 next collapse

The distro sucks anyway. They ship really fucking old packages, even more so than Debian or other stable distros.

BCsven@lemmy.ca on 03 Apr 22:23 next collapse

It is marketed as direct windows replacement, so it appears they choose absolute safety, over possible breakage. If that GRID product they tout ever launches it will be great for companies.

UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world on 03 Apr 22:37 collapse

…Except there are three players in that game already. Go by the names of Red Hat, SUSE and Ubuntu

BCsven@lemmy.ca on 04 Apr 00:54 collapse

We see SUSE and REL at corps and enterprises, not so much Ubuntu. None offer something like GRID though. Central management tool for Admins to deploy all systems equally from central location, with dashboard view, without having to run scripts or autoYAST to keep systems the same

OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 15:12 collapse

Ubuntu is deployed all over the place for data science.

I’m fairly sure this is because data scientists got used to running it on their personal machines and can’t be bothered to learn another distro.

BCsven@lemmy.ca on 05 Apr 15:52 collapse

Ubuntu made Linux easily accessible to anyone, so you are probably right.

For the enterprise stuff we work with only REL and SUSE are certified to install on, and work with the software. OpenSUSE works too because of the shared binaries with SUSE

Pirata@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 04:43 collapse

Why are you guys so obsessed with the latest packages? A lot of new stuff doesn’t work on older PCs which is also Linux’s target market.

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 04:53 collapse

Not all of us use older PC’s. I really don’t care what other people use but I like being on the latest version of whatever software I’m using. Also, I used endeavourOS on a Thinkpad T-420 and didn’t have any issues with running the latest software on that laptop from 2012. I’m not saying you haven’t had issues but it isn’t exactly black or white. Older PC’s are not Linux’s target market. Everything is Linux’s target market. Linux will run on everything from a Pentium II laptop to a $50,000,000 super computer.

Pirata@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 05:10 collapse

Not all of us use older PC’s. I really don’t care what other people use but I like being on the latest version of whatever software I’m using

I stopped reading about here. I can already tell the rest is a “me, me, me!” ramble about how the world should appeal to you and you only.

Just don’t use Zorin, you’re not their target market.

Kind regards.

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 07:43 collapse

If you actually read it you’d know that wasn’t true. My point was Linux is very scalable and what works for me might not be what works for you and vice verca. Use whatever you want, I don’t care. You can use fucking Windows for all I care.

grue@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 00:41 next collapse

🤡

funbreaker@kbin.earth on 04 Apr 00:50 next collapse

I feel like if they were gonna go chromium, they should have gone with Vivaldi. It may not be open source but it's not doing a crypto scam. Waterfox would have also been a good choice, probably better because it's Gecko.

Pirata@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 04:39 collapse

I don’t know the details, but I hope they will at least remove the VPN and crypto wallet integrations from the default installed version.

lumony@lemmings.world on 04 Apr 01:32 next collapse

Blech. I’d downvote this because I disagree with their decision, but I’m glad you brought this to our attention.

JakobFel@retrolemmy.com on 04 Apr 01:48 next collapse

I hope to see more distros do this. Strongly considering buying a Pro license just to support them for doing the right thing. Screw Mozilla.

Hawke@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 02:22 collapse

I dunno that I’d consider Brave to be “the right thing” but more variety/competition is best!

cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de on 04 Apr 03:18 next collapse

I have ff installed but uses librewolf for most uses. Should I be worried if ff is in my system? Somebody please explain.

ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org on 04 Apr 04:21 next collapse

I think we’re pretty far from that being a problem

cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de on 04 Apr 08:43 collapse

Thank you. Was out of the loop with ff for a while.

markinov@lemmygrad.ml on 04 Apr 15:59 collapse

No

Unmapped@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 04:44 next collapse

I’m actually not familiar with this distro. But if I installed a Linux distro, and it had brave installed. I would immediately switch.

Admetus@sopuli.xyz on 04 Apr 11:41 collapse

Brave is a fairly recent outlier, and while it isn’t quite proprietary, it stinks a fair bit of something capitalist/crypto.

Allero@lemmy.today on 04 Apr 05:05 next collapse

Firefox is bad, Brave is evil. Why did they decide switching is a good idea?

the_wiz@feddit.org on 04 Apr 05:23 next collapse

Well, Brave is -regardless of the companies decisions- still a damn good browser with many build in essentials (TOR, IPFS, Bittorrent…), so, while I PERSONALLY don’t use this anymore (currently I use an heavily patched suckless surf and Dillo) I don’t see much wrong in including this in a distribution especially catering to users switching from windows.

easily3667@lemmus.org on 05 Apr 03:50 collapse

Yes I can’t get through the day without IPFS, good take

HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 06:17 next collapse

Boo

xavier666@lemm.ee on 04 Apr 06:36 next collapse

That’s gonna be a no from me, dawg

Peasley@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 06:41 next collapse

“Mozilla has a bit been shady lately, so we are making the difficult decision to change our default browser to something significantly more shady. We are confident our users will feel safer knowing their data is in even worse hands than before"

juipeltje@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 10:31 next collapse

Seems like a strange choice. If anything i would’ve expected them to just use a firefox fork or something.

SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 00:26 collapse

Zen is literally the best browser around right now, I do understand the UI isn’t for everybody but if you vibe with it, it rocks

XTL@sopuli.xyz on 05 Apr 20:17 collapse

How’s the ad blocking or add-ons? Last I looked there was none.

SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 22:01 collapse

Zen is based on Firefox, it supports 100% of firefox addons, as well as supporting its own community mods system for changing the browser itself

arsCynic@beehaw.org on 04 Apr 10:43 next collapse

They should’ve picked LibreWolf which ships with uBlock Origin. Brave is a disappointing choice because it supports multi-level marketing pyramid schemes which says enough about their moral compass.


✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 10:37 collapse

I kinda dislike the default LibreWolf settings. Unsure if they changed it, but I remember that you have no history except you change it in the settings.

A Windows refugee wants a history. Addituonally, many pages just dont work.

My University also does capture a picture and reads it from the Canvas or something, which LibreWolf blocks. It doesnt show again if something is okay or wrong. I just got a Mail that I need to reupload it and go by myself to pickup my University-Card.

I wasnt the only one as Informatics has many Linux users and some Librewolf users.

merthyr1831@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 15:11 next collapse

Brave marketing has gone crazy to convince people it’s less dodgy than Firefox. Come on!

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:10 next collapse

Yeah. Viral marketing is real but people never seem to be able to identify it.

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 05 Apr 19:35 collapse

Every time someone says anything positive about Brave I assume they’re part of the Crypto scheme, or love Brave’s CEO.

markinov@lemmygrad.ml on 04 Apr 15:41 next collapse

Recent firefox policy change is controversial, but how brave is better?

Patch@feddit.uk on 05 Apr 09:14 collapse

“We don’t like the proposed new Coke recipe, so we’re switching to drinking raw undiluted sewage instead”.

umbrella@lemmy.ml on 04 Apr 16:02 next collapse

talk about bad taste

thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world on 04 Apr 16:16 next collapse

Y not gnome web

gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com on 05 Apr 00:34 next collapse

“we replaced the browser with ad ware, that we even admit we had to ship settings to minimise its malware effect”

easily3667@lemmus.org on 05 Apr 01:44 next collapse

Brave hates gays

kepix@lemmy.world on 05 Apr 06:42 next collapse

the everyday linux distro that is famous for asking people for money for their pro version, cause they know most of the userbase is coming from windows and doesnt know that everything is free?

HotCoffee@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 09:52 collapse

They don’t force you to buy anything. Almost all distros have a donation button on their site/git.

Nothing wrong with supporting projects you adore.

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:09 collapse

Ubuntu asks for money for their “pro” version.

It’s a big reason why I switched to Debian.

HotCoffee@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 10:13 collapse

Once again like Zorin, it isn’t required to use the base version. Projects take time and effort, support is optional. Debian also has a donation page gonna distrohop now too?

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:22 next collapse

You keep ignoring the “pro” version aspect of this.

Debian doesn’t lock features or updates behind paywalls. It’s not just about asking for donations.

HotCoffee@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 10:33 collapse

What does zorin lock behind the pro version? Some themes that you could make yourself if you wanted. And they package some apps that you could manualy download. What updates are you refering to?

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 10:37 collapse

Why lock anything behind a paywall? They do it to take advantage of users who don’t know any better. Otherwise, they would just ask for donations.

Why are you defending scummy practices? Are you a shill, fanboy, or useful idiot?

HotCoffee@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 10:49 next collapse

Nah people just frame it as if you need to buy it, while that’s not true. No I’m not defending scummy practices, I’m just pro supporting software that you enjoy. That people like you can’t handle others opinions and immediately resort to calling it “fanboy or useful idiot.” The world doesn’t need to be a copy pasta of opinions

FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Apr 17:53 collapse

I am not a Zorin OS fanboy or anything, but honestly I don’t see anything scummy about requiring payment from the user to get access to certain features of the product. It’s just shareware. It’s their product FOSS or not. I think they make it clear about what you get for free and what you don’t. If you don’t like that you don’t have to use their product and you can use an alternative instead. It’s not like they were a monopoly in the world of Linux distros and you have no other option. I see nothing scummy about this. It would be scummy if they would do some kind of false advertising (adverties features you actually don’t get or adverties features in a misleading way) or if they started moving features from the free to the pro version that used to be free, because some people may have relyed on these features.

Can you elaborate? Because to me this feels like saying that the local grocery shop is scummy because it wants people to pay instead of relying on donations. If the whole OS was paid like RedHat Linux is than it would be OK or you consider that to be also a case of taking advantage of users who don’t know any better.

lumony@lemmings.world on 05 Apr 17:56 collapse

Congrats.

Businessmen bank on people with low standards like yours so they can make more money off of you than they would with me.

FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Apr 18:07 collapse

Why don’t you explain your arguments or make counter arguments instead of attacking your opponent. How do I matter here?

ReakDuck@lemmy.ml on 05 Apr 10:33 collapse

There is a difference between a donation and a purchase. You can buy Ubuntu Pro like Zorin Pro. Its not free

off@programming.dev on 05 Apr 07:10 next collapse

one of the worst distros ever so I guess this is pretty obvious choice and telling to some.

HotCoffee@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 09:44 next collapse

Define worst? It does what it says, it’s an easy stable distro for windows refugees. Slow updates doesn’t make something bad

muusemuuse@lemm.ee on 07 Apr 02:34 collapse

No, that would be manjaro.

nuko147@lemm.ee on 05 Apr 10:19 next collapse

A bad move. But again i hate that many distros have a default browser and they don’t let you choose.

Mwa@lemm.ee on 06 Apr 20:50 collapse

Why not fork firefox

FrameXX@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Apr 17:05 collapse

I think maintaning a Firefox fork is pretty demanding especially considering you are already maintaining a distro. And there are already a lot of Firefox forks out there.

Mwa@lemm.ee on 08 Apr 11:08 collapse

True