Mainly because if you ask for help with Sway on Nvidia then people basically tell you to fuck off and call you a cunt.
For real tho, they’ll actually chastise you just for asking a question.
Squiddles@kbin.social
on 14 Nov 2023 18:56
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A couple days ago I tried Hyprland just to see what it was like. I've been on XFCE for over a decade and expected to play with Hyprland for a couple hours, go "Huh, that's cool", and uninstall it, but I think the switch may be permanent. It's fantastic
You running anything from nix-hardware on your system? I know my laptop has a flake there that installs a few applications & fixes small things like hardware buttons for the ga401:
github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/…/default.nix
I’m running unstable on both machines, with nix-hardware for my laptop only.
I’m running it on my laptop I believe but pc is custom so I doubt there’d be anything there for it there
Lober@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Nov 2023 15:47
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Sway has become a joy to use over time as I’ve fucked with my config but now I feel like it’s more boring too I barely ever feel the need or want to massively change anything 🥲
callyral@pawb.social
on 14 Nov 2023 16:06
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i think that’s called liking your current config
vynlwombat@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 2023 17:19
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Ew gross
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml
on 14 Nov 2023 17:38
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you can always use a login manager to manage different WM sessions. When i get bored of sway i switch to hyprland, i use different bars for each one too. Its bloat but its fun.
Same, I got “bored” so I tried hyprland for a bit on another machine, but when I realised I’d rather have the animations turned off, and was trying to make the config the same as my Sway one, I realised all I needed was Sway. Swaylove4eva
bananaw@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Nov 2023 15:53
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Just switched last night!!!
So far it’s been great, but I need a way to migrate over my keybindings from xmodmap. I tried searching but everywhere I go gives a different answer. Can anyone help guide me in a direction? I’m primarily looking to remap caps to escape/control on hold. Would be great to remap some unused keys on my laptops keyboard to media keys as well. Thanks!!
glasgitarrewelt@feddit.de
on 14 Nov 2023 16:45
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Have you tried the instructions on their github page?
bananaw@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Nov 2023 19:39
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Knew I should have read the docs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In my (not very thorough) read, I saw something about the bindings being per application. Maybe I should stop reading documentation before falling asleep
But seriously, yesterday I cloned my main partition to a new laptop into an LVM volume on LUKS. Because I did not have any way of putting the new NVMe and old SATA SSD into one machine, I just used netcat over an ad hoc network.
nc -l 10000 > /dev/main/root
on the new Laptop and
cat /dev/sda3 | nc 10.31.69.1 10000 -q 0
on the old one. Worked perfectly. Now do that on Windows with builtin tools in live boots.
Last time I tried to mess with Windows partition I tried to expand it to merge free space in my C:\ drive, but I couldn’t do that because Windows put the recovery partition in the middle, with no permission to remove it. Had to jump through a million hoops to get Windows to remove it.
I mean sure, Windows is easier in many ways. Not partition management. Anything but that. What a pain.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com
on 14 Nov 2023 21:30
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Ran into that a few years ago. I think I ended up fixing it by booting linux off a flash drive and moving the partitions around in that. It wasn’t to difficult after I just gave up trying to do it in Windows. Such a stupid problem.
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz
on 16 Nov 2023 09:52
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I think I see a theme here. Doing fun normie stuff on iOS/ipadOS is easy. Doing technical stuff is usually completely impossible.
Doing technical stuff on Linux is easy as long as you know what you’re doing. Doing popular normie things on Linux is a bit hit-or-miss. Some things work perfectly, but other things are a royal pita.
Windows seems to be in between the two extremes in more than one regard. Microsoft seems to be working to find some sort of compromise in these things.
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun
on 15 Nov 2023 03:30
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Next time you could even add gzip or some other compression and save yourself a bit of time and bandwidth.
The rate was around 100MB/s. So I think the bottleneck was probably the read/write speeds of the SSDs, considering I have ~900Mbit/s down from speedtest.net, and this setup removed every hop except the old and new Laptops Gigabit Lan Port and the Gigabit patch cable between them. But with larger files/partitions over the internet this would probably help
crispy_kilt@feddit.de
on 15 Nov 2023 09:36
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Now do that on Windows with builtin tools in live boots
More like do that in Windows with any tools. It doesn’t like being moved to different hardware one bit.
I’d guess many distros would’ve had errors with preinstalled and configured helpers. Debugging them would be a pain
Gentoo, LFS, Arch etc. are installed manually, so one typically knows their system very well, including packages and configs they might have to hard configure interfaces etc. in
I just noticed I did not fully expand the fs on the target machine after shrinking it on the source machine to be sure it fits. No problem, growing ext4 file systems with resize2fs (indirect dependency of linux and base) works on mounted fs’ too, the Kernel just needs to be newer than 2.6 (so since 2003).
Took less than 1 second and works flawlessly, live. Conkys fs_free just jumped from 20 to 76. Still time to clear my caches.
rudyharrelson@kbin.social
on 14 Nov 2023 16:57
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I think I accomplished a similar effect on my first linux distro a long time ago with a program called "compiz" (iirc). "I'm so frickin 1337," I whispered under my breath. Nobody cared except me, though, lol.
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
on 14 Nov 2023 17:02
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IIRC Compiz was a fork of Beryl or the other way around. I could be wrong though.
Last I checked you can still do the cube in kwin under plasma.
russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net
on 14 Nov 2023 17:26
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It was gone from Plasma for a bit, however it’ll be back in the next upcoming Plasma 6 release!
vardogor@mander.xyz
on 14 Nov 2023 18:45
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at least wobbly windows stuck around though. i’ve had that on for like 10 years
russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net
on 14 Nov 2023 21:43
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Yep, same! Some of my friends have told me it’s a bit “silly” for me to have it enabled - but there’s plenty of bad things that occur on a daily basis in my life, I do not think there’s a single problem with having some wobbly windows as a small vice to enjoy haha.
be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social
on 14 Nov 2023 20:53
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Woohoo!
PoisonedPrisonPanda@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Nov 2023 19:58
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Nobody cared except me, though, lol.
Life in a nutshell…
sxan@midwest.social
on 14 Nov 2023 17:30
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neurospice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Nov 2023 19:49
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I just got into wayfire after using Hyprland and nobody prepared me for the cylinder. I will open windows and wait for the screensaver just to see the rotating cylinder. So much better than the cube
TootSweet@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 2023 20:04
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I’m with you. One day I was like “I wonder if Wayland’s mature enough to use as my daily driver now” and installed Sway on a Raspberry Pi. I used DWM before, but now Sway’s my default.
The only issue I still have is that I wish Zoom and ffmpeg supported the wlroots-specific screen capture methods. Those are the only things lacking that are keeping me on i3/X11 on the machine I use for work.
CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee
on 14 Nov 2023 20:51
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Do managers like this lend themselves to better performance? Or is it just more for looks/easy tiling?
Fedora Sericea is my current daily driver. Loving it so far. I’ve used Sway, River, and Hyprland on Arch, Fedora, and NixOS. The combination of an immutable system augmented by flatpaks and distrobox are supporting my goal to never wipe the drive again.
Sway is more stable and lightweight for me than Hyprland. I don’t use Nvidia hardware at all. The lead Dev on Hyprland is a treasure though. 10/10 for that human being.
dino@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 Nov 2023 21:05
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Using a tiling wm and wanting to move windows around? 🤨
kogasa@programming.dev
on 14 Nov 2023 21:11
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It’s dynamic :)
bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml
on 14 Nov 2023 22:48
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moving floating windows is caveman stuff really
psion1369@lemmy.world
on 14 Nov 2023 23:18
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My daily driver is Sway on Arch. I’ll help shout out the glory of this setup.
KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2023 08:29
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I hate moving windows around.
All windows open maximized without window decorations. Meta+WSAD moves the active window to the upper/lower/left/right half of the screen.
Meta+PgDown minimizes, Meta+PgUp maximizes. Meta+Q tiles windows horizontally, Meta+E vertically. Meta+X closes the window, Meta+Spacebar shows the desktop, Meta alone shows the workspace overview.
Fuck hunting for window borders, clicking and dragging. And fuck configuring all this in a text file.
(I use OpenSUSE with KDE by the way)
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id
on 15 Nov 2023 08:44
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Ever considered trying out a tiling window manager?
Emma_Gold_Man@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 Nov 2023 08:48
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kwin supports a tiling mode which it sounds like they’re already using, so … yes?
KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2023 08:57
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No. I need the functionality of a full desktop environment.
And KDE’s workspace overview is awesome. One keypress and I see all open windows, all workspaces and a global search field that switches to a program when it already has an open window and opens a new window if not.
And a tiling WM on top of KDE would be pointless to me since the behavior of a tiling WM can be configured through the GUI in KDE without installing anything extra.
MusicPiano@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2023 09:16
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What kde provides that sway or hyprland don’t?
KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2023 09:30
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I’m not familiar with sway or hyprland, but KDE automatically finds and configures any modern scanner and printer in the network, makes all programs use the same theme, saves my passwords and certificates, auto-mounts attached drives, auto-starts programs and services, handles which program opens which file type, has a nice workspace overview, lets me configure the firewall, grub, bootsplash screen, VPN, network settings, monitors, keyboard layout, etc… all with sane defaults out of the box, localized to my language, and easy GUI configuration.
Hexarei@programming.dev
on 15 Nov 2023 21:15
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For what it’s worth, a large number of the things you listed are actually portable into Sway, i3wm, and a lot of other tiling wms just by way of running the KDE settings daemons - I do the same kinds of things (network printer, theming, auto-mount, auto-start, XDG config, firewall, vpn, network settings, monitors, keyboard layout) just by having i3wm start up xfce-settings-daemon.
I’m not familiar enough with KDE to make promises about grub and splash, but I would imagine those would also work exactly the same as well. In fact, a little bit of searching and it looks like if you’re on Wayland you could even just replace KWin (the KDE window manager) with Sway in the startup files and be 95% of the way there. Might just need to configure a system bar or something to that effect.
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id
on 15 Nov 2023 09:30
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Yeah I also use KDE on my desktop, though I have my laptop running QTile because the tile hotkeys are much more convinient than navigating with the trackpad.
KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2023 09:32
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You can freely configure tiling and any hotkeys in KDE as well.
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id
on 15 Nov 2023 14:38
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Sure, but that’s not the only benefit to having full control over the entire tiling interface. I enjoy building out the features and visuals I want in python. It’s fun to have that level of control.
KISSmyOS@lemmy.world
on 15 Nov 2023 14:40
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I enjoy building out the features and visuals I want in python. It’s fun to have that level of control.
I respect that, but I have different hobbies.
worsedoughnut@lemdro.id
on 15 Nov 2023 14:55
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threaded - newest
On Hyprland for a few days now and feeling the same way.
Amen. I’d install Hyperland on both of my “main” PC and on my Rpi 4 but my rpi 4 (still) has sway and it “just werks” so eeeeeh
Hyprland is better if you’re on Nvidia as well.
Mainly because if you ask for help with Sway on Nvidia then people basically tell you to fuck off and call you a cunt.
For real tho, they’ll actually chastise you just for asking a question.
A couple days ago I tried Hyprland just to see what it was like. I've been on XFCE for over a decade and expected to play with Hyprland for a couple hours, go "Huh, that's cool", and uninstall it, but I think the switch may be permanent. It's fantastic
damn, Hyprland looks great 😅
Hyprland is fantastic unless you have Nvidia
I have Nvidia in both my machines
Works fine on my laptop (1650 hybrid) and desktop (3070 no iGPU)
Under NixOS on both machines, no xwayland.
programs.hyprland = { enable = true; enableNvidiaPatches = true; };Is the basics to get it up and running under NixOS + HomeManager
I’ve done that already though haven’t disabled xwayland didn’t realise that would work without being compatibility
Just don’t run X applications 😅
I’ve seen no issues on my setup, might just be luck of the draw? What hyprland build are you running? What issues are you seeing?
Whichever one is current in nixpkgs stable
On my laptop when it goes to sleep and wakes up everything looks corrupted and it crashes back to the gdm login screen after a second or two
You running anything from nix-hardware on your system? I know my laptop has a flake there that installs a few applications & fixes small things like hardware buttons for the ga401: github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware/…/default.nix
I’m running unstable on both machines, with nix-hardware for my laptop only.
I’m running it on my laptop I believe but pc is custom so I doubt there’d be anything there for it there
Sway has become a joy to use over time as I’ve fucked with my config but now I feel like it’s more boring too I barely ever feel the need or want to massively change anything 🥲
i think that’s called liking your current config
Ew gross
you can always use a login manager to manage different WM sessions. When i get bored of sway i switch to hyprland, i use different bars for each one too. Its bloat but its fun.
Same, I got “bored” so I tried hyprland for a bit on another machine, but when I realised I’d rather have the animations turned off, and was trying to make the config the same as my Sway one, I realised all I needed was Sway. Swaylove4eva
Just switched last night!!!
So far it’s been great, but I need a way to migrate over my keybindings from xmodmap. I tried searching but everywhere I go gives a different answer. Can anyone help guide me in a direction? I’m primarily looking to remap caps to escape/control on hold. Would be great to remap some unused keys on my laptops keyboard to media keys as well. Thanks!!
Have you tried the instructions on their github page?
https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#keyboard-layout
I haven’t tried that, but would be happy about a feedback from you if it works. So that I know what to do if I switch from Herbstluft to Sway one day.
Ah… Read the docs, should have known ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
man 5 swaylook forbindsymKnew I should have read the docs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In my (not very thorough) read, I saw something about the bindings being per application. Maybe I should stop reading documentation before falling asleep
I remember being endlessly entertained by the rotating cube animation between workspaces in the old Beryl implementation.
I told my wife, “but does your Windows do this?” Followed by rotating the cube. She was like, “I don’t care.” And that was that.
I shall tell this story to my grandkids.
There was a jailbreak tweak for iOS that mimicked Beryl, it was so cool.
Wow, that sums up my Linux life pretty well actually
Does your Windows do this? *doesn’t crash*
But seriously, yesterday I cloned my main partition to a new laptop into an LVM volume on LUKS. Because I did not have any way of putting the new NVMe and old SATA SSD into one machine, I just used netcat over an ad hoc network.
on the new Laptop and
on the old one. Worked perfectly. Now do that on Windows with builtin tools in live boots.
Last time I tried to mess with Windows partition I tried to expand it to merge free space in my C:\ drive, but I couldn’t do that because Windows put the recovery partition in the middle, with no permission to remove it. Had to jump through a million hoops to get Windows to remove it.
I mean sure, Windows is easier in many ways. Not partition management. Anything but that. What a pain.
Ran into that a few years ago. I think I ended up fixing it by booting linux off a flash drive and moving the partitions around in that. It wasn’t to difficult after I just gave up trying to do it in Windows. Such a stupid problem.
I think I see a theme here. Doing fun normie stuff on iOS/ipadOS is easy. Doing technical stuff is usually completely impossible.
Doing technical stuff on Linux is easy as long as you know what you’re doing. Doing popular normie things on Linux is a bit hit-or-miss. Some things work perfectly, but other things are a royal pita.
Windows seems to be in between the two extremes in more than one regard. Microsoft seems to be working to find some sort of compromise in these things.
Next time you could even add gzip or some other compression and save yourself a bit of time and bandwidth.
The rate was around 100MB/s. So I think the bottleneck was probably the read/write speeds of the SSDs, considering I have ~900Mbit/s down from speedtest.net, and this setup removed every hop except the old and new Laptops Gigabit Lan Port and the Gigabit patch cable between them. But with larger files/partitions over the internet this would probably help
More like do that in Windows with any tools. It doesn’t like being moved to different hardware one bit.
The only problems with my Arch install were
Btw detected
I’d guess many distros would’ve had errors with preinstalled and configured helpers. Debugging them would be a pain
Gentoo, LFS, Arch etc. are installed manually, so one typically knows their system very well, including packages and configs they might have to hard configure interfaces etc. in
I just noticed I did not fully expand the fs on the target machine after shrinking it on the source machine to be sure it fits. No problem, growing ext4 file systems with resize2fs (indirect dependency of linux and base) works on mounted fs’ too, the Kernel just needs to be newer than 2.6 (so since 2003).
Took less than 1 second and works flawlessly, live. Conkys fs_free just jumped from 20 to 76. Still time to clear my caches.
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I think I accomplished a similar effect on my first linux distro a long time ago with a program called "compiz" (iirc). "I'm so frickin 1337," I whispered under my breath. Nobody cared except me, though, lol.
IIRC Compiz was a fork of Beryl or the other way around. I could be wrong though.
Last I checked you can still do the cube in kwin under plasma.
It was gone from Plasma for a bit, however it’ll be back in the next upcoming Plasma 6 release!
at least wobbly windows stuck around though. i’ve had that on for like 10 years
Yep, same! Some of my friends have told me it’s a bit “silly” for me to have it enabled - but there’s plenty of bad things that occur on a daily basis in my life, I do not think there’s a single problem with having some wobbly windows as a small vice to enjoy haha.
Woohoo!
Life in a nutshell…
I don’t care.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
I don’t care
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I wonder if thats based on a real story…
check wayfire :)
github.com/WayfireWM/wayfire
Oh yeah! That’s ticking a few boxes for when I eventually switch from X(11).
been playing around with sway on my laptop and it's been pretty fun. Tiling window managers are fun!
This seems like a good place to plug !linuxmemes@lemmy.world
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/712aef77-ba87-4696-9a65-7e1d076b3489.jpeg">
This is the way.
Choo choo mtherfcker
Absolutely obliterated.
And that’s how you create an Arch Unstable user
Choo choo UBUNTU
Choo choo proprietary stuff and holding security unless you subscribe to services. :P
<img alt="ahead" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7fe37e6c-82aa-4885-813c-3f303fde6b4d.jpeg">
<img alt="planes of existence " src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9d46675a-bb64-4571-99ed-da6ddd40c630.jpeg">
Damn, English is weird 🤣
It sure is :D
Choo choo debian+flatpak. Rock solid OS with the latest software. :)
Wheeeew nixos + ???. More or less unbreakable is with both latest and stable packages that you can easily mix and match (:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/52becf7b-9b27-4b56-86e6-5bed7c670057.jpeg">
I just got into wayfire after using Hyprland and nobody prepared me for the cylinder. I will open windows and wait for the screensaver just to see the rotating cylinder. So much better than the cube
I’m with you. One day I was like “I wonder if Wayland’s mature enough to use as my daily driver now” and installed Sway on a Raspberry Pi. I used DWM before, but now Sway’s my default.
The only issue I still have is that I wish Zoom and ffmpeg supported the wlroots-specific screen capture methods. Those are the only things lacking that are keeping me on i3/X11 on the machine I use for work.
Do managers like this lend themselves to better performance? Or is it just more for looks/easy tiling?
Both i3 and sway are very lightweight so you do get good performance, but it’s the easy tiling / no-nonsense looks that appeal to me.
You know. I was just thinking my window management hasn’t been as performant as I’d like. I really need my windows to move a bit faster.
Fedora Sericea is my current daily driver. Loving it so far. I’ve used Sway, River, and Hyprland on Arch, Fedora, and NixOS. The combination of an immutable system augmented by flatpaks and distrobox are supporting my goal to never wipe the drive again.
Sway is more stable and lightweight for me than Hyprland. I don’t use Nvidia hardware at all. The lead Dev on Hyprland is a treasure though. 10/10 for that human being.
Using a tiling wm and wanting to move windows around? 🤨
It’s dynamic :)
moving floating windows is caveman stuff really
My daily driver is Sway on Arch. I’ll help shout out the glory of this setup.
I hate moving windows around.
All windows open maximized without window decorations. Meta+WSAD moves the active window to the upper/lower/left/right half of the screen.
Meta+PgDown minimizes, Meta+PgUp maximizes. Meta+Q tiles windows horizontally, Meta+E vertically. Meta+X closes the window, Meta+Spacebar shows the desktop, Meta alone shows the workspace overview.
Fuck hunting for window borders, clicking and dragging. And fuck configuring all this in a text file.
(I use OpenSUSE with KDE by the way)
Ever considered trying out a tiling window manager?
kwin supports a tiling mode which it sounds like they’re already using, so … yes?
No. I need the functionality of a full desktop environment.
And KDE’s workspace overview is awesome. One keypress and I see all open windows, all workspaces and a global search field that switches to a program when it already has an open window and opens a new window if not.
And a tiling WM on top of KDE would be pointless to me since the behavior of a tiling WM can be configured through the GUI in KDE without installing anything extra.
What kde provides that sway or hyprland don’t?
I’m not familiar with sway or hyprland, but KDE automatically finds and configures any modern scanner and printer in the network, makes all programs use the same theme, saves my passwords and certificates, auto-mounts attached drives, auto-starts programs and services, handles which program opens which file type, has a nice workspace overview, lets me configure the firewall, grub, bootsplash screen, VPN, network settings, monitors, keyboard layout, etc… all with sane defaults out of the box, localized to my language, and easy GUI configuration.
For what it’s worth, a large number of the things you listed are actually portable into Sway, i3wm, and a lot of other tiling wms just by way of running the KDE settings daemons - I do the same kinds of things (network printer, theming, auto-mount, auto-start, XDG config, firewall, vpn, network settings, monitors, keyboard layout) just by having i3wm start up
xfce-settings-daemon.I’m not familiar enough with KDE to make promises about grub and splash, but I would imagine those would also work exactly the same as well. In fact, a little bit of searching and it looks like if you’re on Wayland you could even just replace KWin (the KDE window manager) with Sway in the startup files and be 95% of the way there. Might just need to configure a system bar or something to that effect.
Yeah I also use KDE on my desktop, though I have my laptop running QTile because the tile hotkeys are much more convinient than navigating with the trackpad.
You can freely configure tiling and any hotkeys in KDE as well.
Sure, but that’s not the only benefit to having full control over the entire tiling interface. I enjoy building out the features and visuals I want in python. It’s fun to have that level of control.
I respect that, but I have different hobbies.
lol totally fair
I3 baby
Gnome with forge is a good time