Linux continues its rise in Steam Survey
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Up to 2.7% in May 2025 from 1.5% in May 2023. Almost x2 in 2 years is very impressive.
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The numbers are 3 weeks old, but they are still good. š
Yeah i was gonna say, this is old news. The +0.42% is the last spike on this graph.
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To be fair the numbers are from June 1st, and are for the month of May. So a tad newer than you graph that state March as the latest.
Nah it just doesnt show the x axis label. The last spike is the May number. It has a point for each month, but that many labels wouldnt fit.
Iām quite impressed Arch comes out on top
Iām more surprised that Manjaro is so low.
They got hit by a lot of negative reviews and bad publicity those last years. Myself gave it a try last years and while it isnāt a bad distro from first impression⦠The fact that they add bookmarks into my firefox and Manjaro bootscreen at start gave me a strange feeling⦠Specially because this happend after the bios bootscreen hack. And I know this is not related but it still gave me strange gut feeling and always follow your guts !
Happy EndeavourOS user !
Probably because theyāre incapable of maintaining a distribution: manjarno.pages.dev
Iām not honestly. As far as I know SteamOS is based on arch which should give it a massive boost in comparison to other linux distros just from the number of Steam Decks
SteamOS does not get reported as Arch.
I would expect Steam to report Steam OS as Steam OS.
They managed to differentiate Manjaro to itās own entry after all. Itās Arch based too.
Manjaro is not Arch based. They use pacman, but they use their own repositories. They create a ton of issues that way.
wiki.manjaro.org/ā¦/Manjaro:A_Different_Kind_of_Beā¦
Manjaro Unstable is Arch Stable
Two of my friends switched recently.
They had none to very little experience with anything Linux before, their previous win11 installs just over bloated and the copilot bullshit pushed them over. Both (indie/non-pop shooters) gamers btw.
This is the year of linux.
Do they choose distros made for gamers?
One is trying Bazzite the other one is just classic fedora
Do they make much difference? Genuine question
Sometimes.
They tend to make sure stuff that gamers care about are up to date and working.
Youāll likely need the newest kernels and software packages if youāre running the latest gen of GPU and/or CPU, to get the most out of them, or even get them to work at all.
Wouldnāt a rolling distro be enough forma that?
Some of it, yeah.
All a distro is, really, is a preset. It comes with some package manager or other, along with a collection of pre-installed packages.
The reason one chooses one distro over another, is because itās closer to what you need. I could install arch, and spend a day setting it up exactly the way I like. Or, I could start with Endeavour, and get to essentially the same state in an hour.
Iām familiar enough with linux that I could strong-arm any install into doing whatever I need, but at times, to get from preset A to preset B, itās faster to just start over from a known preset thatās closest to what I want.
Rolling releases typically mean the software available is recent, but thatās only one aspect of what your starting point could look like.
āGamingā distros are going to be a preset that contains a bunch of configurations, defaults and software, that gamers typically care about. That steam is usually already installed, is an example of one such thing. The same way my mention of GPU and CPU support is only an example.
Maybe instead of āThey tend to make sure stuff that gamers care about are up to date and workingā I should have phrased it āThey tend to make sure things that gamers care about are easy to set up and supported, if not even ready to go, out of the boxā.
Okay, I see. Thanks for the detailed explanation.
I wish I could get my friends to switch. I even had one tell me they would rather use it if supported the games that donāt work (which of course are games with anti-cheat issues). But they at least recognize that Windows is getting quite bloated
My first one to switch did so recently. Gave him an open offer to help get going if he ever got interested, then proceeded to just go about using my linux system for our multiplayer gaming and couch gaming hangouts.
It took a little less than three years from when I first switched for him to follow.
My sister is also on linux, has been since she took my gaming laptop as her own, and she never felt a need to switch it back to windows.
Thatās actually similar to how I got one of my friends on it. I got a Framework 16 about a year ago and installed Linux on it with a very customized KDE DE and he seemed pretty interested in it whenever I brought it with me whenever we hung out. Offered him a hand in learning more about Linux, how to install, customization, different distributions, Steam Proton, etc. About 7-8 months after and he has a Framework 13 with Fedora Linux.
My other friends are just stuck on the gaming side of things sadly. The games that I dropped when I made the switch I really didnāt care a whole lot about anyways. Not the case with my other friends though.
However, I have my brother and my parents using it for their laptops as they donāt need it for anything else but a web browser and an office suite and over the last year or so there have been no complaints!
It just goes to show you. The only way to get the Linux desktop market share up is not building. Something better than Windows we have been there for a while. Itās make hardware, put Linux on that hardware and sell it in a store. Avg people donāt change operating systems. They change computers. Now if we could just get steam decks in retail stores. It would be a huge.
This is a huge argument, even Linus Torvalds said that many years ago. The average person just wants to buy a computer and use it normally for work, casual stuff or gaming. They wonāt make the effort to change the operating system.
We can also get the Steam OS on different hardwares, just like the Lenovo Legion Go S
There is a non-insignificant amount of people who just throw away their computer when something gets messed up because they donāt know how to reinstall windows. Not only do average people not know how to install an operating system, they donāt even know how to learn. Many people have help, techie friends and family, but many donāt, and they can sadly only be helped at scale.
Exactly. Linux will never become the majority OS as long as itās not the default OS on retail PCs.
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Which country is that it sounds amazing
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Ah that makes sense i know Brazil has laws to keep imports low. Thatās why Brazil kept the saga mega drive active for so long. So having Linux on machines makes sense. Since itās both an import and not an import at the same time.
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Very interesting I learned something new thanks
Soon Linux will be big enough that stores will offer a selection of operating systems. It might be possible already to ask for a custom built PC deal with a discount for no bringing your own OS or having them install it for you.
It was tried a little bit in 2008 www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna23565020
Microsoft/Google would shit all over any retailer that dared to do that today.
That said, Bestbuy did have an OS2/Warp on the floor decades ago.
I think SteamOS will have a solid chance.
We need a distro that has a 0% chance to brick on a graphics driver update. That can flawlessly do a major release update without breaking things and can run GOG, Steam, Epic.
Yep i honestly think thatās why the steam deck is not available in retell in the US. MICROSOFT probably has a clause in place that would remove any license discounts from the big OEMs if their machines are stocked with Linux machines.
To the moon!
I wanted to switch but then saw nvidia's drivers are even worse on linux than windows. Maybe once I'm ready for a gpu upgrade I'll go AMD and make the switch because it feels like if theres little hope of nvidia fixing their drivers for PC there is zero hope for linux.
Iām using an Nvidia card on Debian with 0 issues myself and the driver installation was really easy. Iām curious what source you read stating that they are worse, by how much, and in what way. Do you have a link I can read? Thanks.
Its primarily issues reported on the linux gaming subreddit. You can just do a search on that sub. One of the more recent posts that really illustrated how bad things were (to me) was this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1l4ntj6/i_give_up_on_linux_for_now/
Okay, well to balance that anecdotal information with some more, let me put some of those bad points listed in context with what my experience has been on Debian 12 Stable with an RTX 3090.
Somewhat true, but protonDB is so accurate that I think I have only had to trial and error 1 or 2 games ever. Downloading multiple proton versions isnāt a big problem as they arenāt too large, and I have only ever needed either the latest stable release, or the experimental release. As far as actual game compatibility goes, when I moved to Linux I looked up every game in my steam library in proton DB to see what I was working with. The result was that:
95 of my games ran natively on Linux. 31 of my games were rated platinum. 73 of my games were rated gold. 12 were rated silver. 3 were rated as bronze. 3 were noted as unplayable.
You have to add 1 repository for the drivers and then it upgrades when you upgrade as normal. This is like a 2 step process of editing a text file and then running one command. I have never had to use gamescope.
Performance on some games is better through proton and this is true even with my NVIDIA card. This is largely because where you lose performance on emulation, typically you are making up for it in leaps and bounds because Linux is not running 1000 telemetry processes and stuff in the background like Windows does. I have only played one game where the performance was noticeably worse. I donāt use gamescope at all. As far as Iām aware DLSS/HDR work fine (running armored core VI on ultra graphics for example looks and runs great and the settings seem to be enabled). As I said before, I only ever had to trial and error 1 or 2 games.
Parts of this statement are just straight up not true. When installing the drivers, you also install the NVIDIA Settings application which does not contain all settings from the NVIDIA control panel, but a subset of them. RTX HDR in the desktop for example does work, but it is just dependent on the window manager. Here is another reddit thread stating as much. I assume the OP of the thread you linked doesnāt really know what they are doing. If you want a windows-like experience you probably would be using plasma. Also Iām pretty sure lossless scaling has been a feature in protonGE since 2021, so if you really needed it for a game, you would just install that proton version and use its FSR feature there. I mean, this is stuff that comes back top link when I google for āLossless scaling linux NVIDIAā. The OP really doesnāt seem too dedicated to looking up their problems.
Thanks for the write up. I'll give it a shot and see what its like. Another point of concern was the amount of tweaking I'd have to do. I'm used to quite a few games in Windows not working well out of the gate but it kind of drives me nuts. So I wouldn't want more of that in Linux. My steam library looks like this: <img alt="" src="https://i.imgur.com/eIQoObm.png">
This looks fine.
I have a massive library of various games, and three years in I havenāt really come across any cases where I want to tear my hair out.
If ProtonDB says a game doesnāt work, youāre not gonna tweak your way to having it run. If it says it does, and it didnāt run right away with no problems, you can usually just apply the fixes other users have found, and be off playing your game.
In fact things are often simpler than on windows, because all the fixes have been gathered on protondb. While on windows you have to google-fu your way to finding someone on reddit or the steam forums who has the exact same problem, and also figured out and posted the fix.
Iāve been using Linux with Nvidia for 10 years and itās been a constant dumpster fire. The Nvidia driver constantly caused issues over these 10 years, especially during updates. Currently Iām having the issue that the entirety of Wayland, including all open programs, crash when I run out of VRAM because the Linux Nvidia drivers cannot fall back on RAM when running out of VRAM. Itās making my gaming experience very frustrating.
Iām on Fedora - Nvidia drivers used to be an issue for me some years back, but since then itās all automatic, I havenāt even thought about drivers since buying my 3060.
Using nvidia on endeavouros here with no problems. The drivers rebuild with every kernel update and itās as smooth as gravy. Before external sync was merged, they were problematic on wayland but fine on xorg.
I used EndevourOS with Nvidia for years but one day an update brought a black screen and decided to use something else (downgrade didnāt fix it). Iām currently using Tumbleweed and it works well, but I kinda miss Arch⦠So I installed CachyOS in my Steam Deck.
There are some distros which completely handle this for you, eg popOS. I game on Linux with a 3080ti and itās ez breezy
Wish I could explain you in detail how thatās not correct but Iām actually going to play Clair Obscur on my 2080ti on Debian, sorry!
PS: been playing for years with NVIDIA drivers, including VR games, and sure itās not 100% perfect but neither Windows drivers are. It sure is enough for me to keep on playing (and working) without major issue though. Anyway, gotta play!
Itās a shame more developers donāt target Linux! Anyway I have been Steam gaming on Linux for about 10 years now and itās amazing how good games targeted at Windows run through Proton. I have many games that are targeted for Windows and run BETTER on Fedora.
Everything that is highly CPU bound (I am looking at you, Path of Exile 1) or requires a lot of Disk access (I have no such friends) have a good chance to run better on Linux than on Windows.
As far as I can gather, Valve explicitly advises developers to avoid targeting Linux when building or optimizing for the Steam Deck, instead focusing on optimizing around Proton.
Elden Ring runs better on proton/wine/dxvk then it does on Windows.
Nice, the meaning of Life. This would be perfect, if it was 3.69 instead. But we canāt have it all, otherwise there would be no improvement possible and it gets stale.
Those are rookie numbers Debian GNU/Linux!
!bogengemeinschaft@feddit.org
Google translates that as Intergalactic Bow Community =\
Thatās part of the fun
I installed it on a partition along side windows 10.
I installed openrazer to control my keyboard and the next time I loaded it up only the number keys worked.
Iām not sure what my next steps will be but Iām enjoying it other than this issue, it reminds me of the good old DOS days back when I was a kid.
Installed Fedora Linux 42 on my gaming PC with Intel Arc B580. Completed Steam Servey. Selling B580 due to miserable driver support and moving PC from a gaming to home server(TrueNAS). Still have my Steam Deck which I wonāt sell.
Some interesting distro choices to be found in there. I didnāt realize CachyOS was so popular
I have used CachyOS and I can confirm that it is decent. I might give Bazzite a try next though.
Iām gonna dual-boot Bazzite and OpenSUSE once I get through a few games. I donāt trust Bethesda to not accidentally give me a VAC ban for using Linux, and there are three Itch io games I want to play first (Horror Vacui, There are Ghosts in these Stalls, Spookware, Corpse Ocean)