mbirth@lemmy.mbirth.uk
on 10 May 2024 16:22
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What’s the big selling point compared to ranger, nnn, yazi or broot?
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 May 2024 16:33
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I haven’t used any of the 3, but from a look over them superfile looks a lot more user friendly and has a nicer overall look.
Edit; the install process is rough though, complains about missing glibc but searching for that package in apt doesn’t show anything promising. It also seems to require some kind of third party font that isn’t included? I gave up lol that’s too much for me to deal with.
Glibc is the gnu c library. You wouldn’t just download that from apt. I’m surprised your Linux distro doesn’t already have that installed.
F04118F@feddit.nl
on 10 May 2024 17:57
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Could be a (too) old version if you’re still on the Ubuntu 22.04 base
Successful_Try543@feddit.de
on 10 May 2024 18:01
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It depends on the distro which release is installed and available. So certainly the problem is, the required and installed glibc library do not match.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 May 2024 20:44
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It’s definitely a big learning curve with how complex installing things on linux is haha, I’m still used to windows just open the exe installer and that’s it.
Yeah I hear that. I will say aptitude made my life a lot easier in terms of installing things with its recommended fixes. Also good software documentation should have a “Getting Started” section that gives you step by step instructions for each OS/Distro of how to install it. If it doesn’t… Well maybe that software isn’t worth installing anyway 🤷♂️
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 May 2024 22:25
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I mean there’s that, but it’s a lot of work for a dev too.
I would rather Linux just be able to detect what’s missing and install it for me. In the case of a lot of missing components, what it says is missing will be named completely different from the package you need to install which makes it really hard.
It was always nice with windows installers because they would come with the needed components, or windows would just prompt to install them automatically.
That’s what aptitude does. It says “these things are dependencies that are missing. Do you want to install them?” And you can say yes, no, or ask it to try to find a different fix. And idk what you mean by that’s a lot of work. If a dev can’t be bothered to tell people how to install their program then idk how they expect people to use their software.
Shareni@programming.dev
on 11 May 2024 09:16
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I would rather Linux just be able to detect what’s missing and install it for me. In the case of a lot of missing components, what it says is missing will be named completely different from the package you need to install which makes it really hard.
That does happen, but Linux doesn’t have anything to do with installing packages, your package manager does. If this package was installed through apt for example, it would also download all of the dependencies. But this package is using a makefile to build and install, therefore it has nothing to do with your package manager.
Tldr: use the package manager, and don’t use DIY packages if you don’t want to DIY
Additional package managers like flatpak and nix solve different issues:
dependency mismatch: let’s say libreoffice and this package require a different version of glibc -> flatpak downloads both versions and symlinks them in a different location in order for each package to have the correct version while not impacting your system and the glibc your DE is using
newer packages: Debian freezes packages for 2+ years, flatpak gives you a fresh version
easier packaging for developers: you can package for flatpak instead of having to maintain packages for every popular package manager and distro
Successful_Try543@feddit.de
on 11 May 2024 15:46
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There are two specific problems I see here for the mentioned binaries.
The software is packaged as a generic archive, no format like rpm or deb the system package manager could/does handle. Thus, the package manager of your system does neither know that you’ve installed this binary nor what it depends on. The developer could have at least mentioned on which exact system the Linux binaries are supposed to work, e.g. Ubuntu 22.04, so that the user knows, that they might have issues running it on a different system.
The developer could have built and packed it in a way that it can be installed by the package manager of a specific distribution. Launchpad or OBS are made for this purpose. The other option, wrapping it as a flatpak, works too, but may bloat the system of the user as different versions of the same libraries are installed (system generic + flatpak version).
Nonetheless, as a Linux user, you are encouraged to build directly from source.
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 May 2024 20:58
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Nonetheless, as a Linux user, you are encouraged to build directly from source.
Yeah screw that lol, I want my OS to just work and be easy to use with minimal fuss.
abfarid@startrek.website
on 10 May 2024 20:10
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I had to install Golang and build it myself to make it work with my version of glibc. But in the end the themes aren’t rendered properly. In other words, proper Linux experience.
QuazarOmega@lemy.lol
on 12 May 2024 07:04
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Get your head out of the gutter. There is a difference between file and philia, the former being something managed by this program and the latter being Greek for “love”. Further, the phil- prefix/suffix is used in many words which don’t mean what you seem to associate it with. Take philosophy for example—the love of wisdom.
dutchkimble@lemy.lol
on 12 May 2024 06:23
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Why would you say I’m a anyprojectname?
mvilain@fedia.io
on 10 May 2024 16:55
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Lovely little utility.
Shut up and take my money.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 10 May 2024 16:59
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It has a font requirement? That’s just weird…
Hjalamanger@feddit.nu
on 10 May 2024 17:04
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Not really? It has alot of icons which are all driven by nerd font. Also you can basically use any font you want, neard just addes some extra glyphs
Phanatik@kbin.social
on 10 May 2024 19:28
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Looks great, I'll give it a bash
Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml
on 10 May 2024 20:20
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I like nnn
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
on 10 May 2024 21:00
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This looks super cool, but I’ve been using midnight commander for so so long.
dino@discuss.tchncs.de
on 10 May 2024 21:17
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Not written in rust, yuck! 😆
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 10 May 2024 22:39
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Go is pretty cool, better than R
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 May 2024 07:18
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Why would you even compare Go with R though?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 11 May 2024 14:36
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Because R would be weird for this use case hence Go being better for it
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 May 2024 18:08
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But why bring it up at all? Nobody said anything about R so why make that comparison?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 11 May 2024 18:18
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Why dismiss all languages that aren’t rust?
UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev
on 11 May 2024 19:12
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R and rust are two completely different languages…
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 11 May 2024 19:18
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You didn’t seem to understand my question
Dismissing all but Rust is a joke
Saying Go is better than R at things R isn’t used for is a joke because it’s obvious and someone doing this in R would just draw the question of why even though they could
UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev
on 11 May 2024 19:32
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My apologies then, I thought you were shortening rust to R by mistake
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 11 May 2024 19:41
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interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 10 May 2024 22:49
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How else is it going to fit inside of 25kb?
Can they even make rust executables under 1GB?
thingsiplay@beehaw.org
on 11 May 2024 06:11
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Did you mean 1MB? With correct settings, you get under 1MB Rust binaries and with even more compression using upx it gets to 300KB, probably less for much simpler applications. Rust applications aren’t that big of a deal as people make it to be; within reasons off course.
The one issue I have with Rust apps is how much memory they need to compile (depending on the app ofc). I could not install Pika Backup from AUR on a laptop with 4 GB of RAM for instance because the compilation would run out of memory. It’s one case where I was glad flatpak is an option.
bodaciousFern@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 May 2024 07:42
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Not sure where you got the 25kb number from.
This tool is written in go and is a 7.8 MB compiled binary.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 11 May 2024 09:13
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Oh wow, a text based file manager is that big ? That’s half of my openwrt router’s memory
It wanted to download a zip file. Apparently it was a theme. But, I’m not letting a local file manager talk to the internet randomly. If I want to update it, I’ll update it myself. Or, at least provide an option to enable it on first run.
Uninstalled.
PlexSheep@infosec.pub
on 12 May 2024 08:34
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Good to know. How do you test if a program makes network connections? Do you just open Wireshark and look at outgoing traffic?
dino@discuss.tchncs.de
on 13 May 2024 11:22
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It had some functionalities that nnn did not have like displaying processes or favourite directories and such. In the end I got back to nnn because I read that superfile had internet access plus the fact that I use a graphical file manager for things that nnn or many terminal file managers can not do with extensive plugins.
dino@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 May 2024 06:47
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Uhm both displaying copy/move process and having shortcuts for “favourite” dirs is quite possible with nnn. Although for the later I mostly use -S argument for persistent session.
The only drawback of nnn in my book is the kind of weird/cumbersome way to configure it eith ENV variables. And the non-existent preview image display under wayland.
Yeah, having to customize with env variables is not great, and adding bookmarks is much easier in superfile. Anyway I suposse one does not set bookmarks to often. Plus nnn was so fast I just tapped they keys to get to the directory I needed easily. Once I learned most shortcuts I was flying trough operarions.
threaded - newest
@lemmyreader Looks quite snazzy!
What’s the big selling point compared to
ranger,nnn,yaziorbroot?I haven’t used any of the 3, but from a look over them superfile looks a lot more user friendly and has a nicer overall look.
Edit; the install process is rough though, complains about missing glibc but searching for that package in apt doesn’t show anything promising. It also seems to require some kind of third party font that isn’t included? I gave up lol that’s too much for me to deal with.
Glibc is the gnu c library. You wouldn’t just download that from apt. I’m surprised your Linux distro doesn’t already have that installed.
Could be a (too) old version if you’re still on the Ubuntu 22.04 base
It depends on the distro which release is installed and available. So certainly the problem is, the required and installed glibc library do not match.
It’s definitely a big learning curve with how complex installing things on linux is haha, I’m still used to windows just open the exe installer and that’s it.
Yeah I hear that. I will say aptitude made my life a lot easier in terms of installing things with its recommended fixes. Also good software documentation should have a “Getting Started” section that gives you step by step instructions for each OS/Distro of how to install it. If it doesn’t… Well maybe that software isn’t worth installing anyway 🤷♂️
I mean there’s that, but it’s a lot of work for a dev too.
I would rather Linux just be able to detect what’s missing and install it for me. In the case of a lot of missing components, what it says is missing will be named completely different from the package you need to install which makes it really hard.
It was always nice with windows installers because they would come with the needed components, or windows would just prompt to install them automatically.
I guess that’s essentially what Flatpak solves!
That’s what aptitude does. It says “these things are dependencies that are missing. Do you want to install them?” And you can say yes, no, or ask it to try to find a different fix. And idk what you mean by that’s a lot of work. If a dev can’t be bothered to tell people how to install their program then idk how they expect people to use their software.
That does happen, but Linux doesn’t have anything to do with installing packages, your package manager does. If this package was installed through apt for example, it would also download all of the dependencies. But this package is using a makefile to build and install, therefore it has nothing to do with your package manager.
Tldr: use the package manager, and don’t use DIY packages if you don’t want to DIY
Additional package managers like flatpak and nix solve different issues:
dependency mismatch: let’s say libreoffice and this package require a different version of glibc -> flatpak downloads both versions and symlinks them in a different location in order for each package to have the correct version while not impacting your system and the glibc your DE is using
newer packages: Debian freezes packages for 2+ years, flatpak gives you a fresh version
easier packaging for developers: you can package for flatpak instead of having to maintain packages for every popular package manager and distro
There are two specific problems I see here for the mentioned binaries.
rpmordebthe system package manager could/does handle. Thus, the package manager of your system does neither know that you’ve installed this binary nor what it depends on. The developer could have at least mentioned on which exact system the Linux binaries are supposed to work, e.g. Ubuntu 22.04, so that the user knows, that they might have issues running it on a different system.Nonetheless, as a Linux user, you are encouraged to build directly from source.
Yeah screw that lol, I want my OS to just work and be easy to use with minimal fuss.
I had to install Golang and build it myself to make it work with my version of glibc. But in the end the themes aren’t rendered properly. In other words, proper Linux experience.
Seems it’s been reported github.com/MHNightCat/superfile/issues/96a, and the PR to fix it looks like it was merged, so you should be able to run it soon
It’s pretty fancy.
I like fancy
Or nnn for that matter. I will test it anyway.
Looks very cool!
That name tho… Maybe could have chosen a different one.
Nah, its easy to remember. Its a good name
What’s wrong with it?
Try saying: “I’m a (the name of the project)” out loud, and let me know how that sounds.
I’m a Super File… What?
Get your head out of the gutter. There is a difference between file and philia, the former being something managed by this program and the latter being Greek for “love”. Further, the phil- prefix/suffix is used in many words which don’t mean what you seem to associate it with. Take philosophy for example—the love of wisdom.
Why would you say I’m a anyprojectname?
Lovely little utility.
Shut up and take my money.
It has a font requirement? That’s just weird…
Not really? It has alot of icons which are all driven by nerd font. Also you can basically use any font you want, neard just addes some extra glyphs
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Thanks for the share!
I’ve always liked tui file managers, broot is a pretty cool one as well.
Oy! You rick rolled us.
Looks great, I'll give it a bash
I like nnn
This looks super cool, but I’ve been using midnight commander for so so long.
Not written in rust, yuck! 😆
Go is pretty cool, better than R
Why would you even compare Go with R though?
Because R would be weird for this use case hence Go being better for it
But why bring it up at all? Nobody said anything about R so why make that comparison?
Why dismiss all languages that aren’t rust?
R and rust are two completely different languages…
You didn’t seem to understand my question
Dismissing all but Rust is a joke
Saying Go is better than R at things R isn’t used for is a joke because it’s obvious and someone doing this in R would just draw the question of why even though they could
My apologies then, I thought you were shortening rust to R by mistake
Apologies, I mean this
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_(programming_language)
How else is it going to fit inside of 25kb? Can they even make rust executables under 1GB?
Did you mean 1MB? With correct settings, you get under 1MB Rust binaries and with even more compression using upx it gets to 300KB, probably less for much simpler applications. Rust applications aren’t that big of a deal as people make it to be; within reasons off course.
The one issue I have with Rust apps is how much memory they need to compile (depending on the app ofc). I could not install Pika Backup from AUR on a laptop with 4 GB of RAM for instance because the compilation would run out of memory. It’s one case where I was glad flatpak is an option.
Not sure where you got the 25kb number from.
This tool is written in go and is a 7.8 MB compiled binary.
Oh wow, a text based file manager is that big ? That’s half of my openwrt router’s memory
Because it’s a statically compiled binary, it tends to grow the size of the binary. Increases portability though.
/s !/s
“pretty fancy” or "pretty, fancy, and … "?
It looks like midnight commander with some upgrades
I love mc for its sftp/ssh capabilities. It makes it so much easier to do remote admin/support.
Every time I install Windows the first thing I download is total commander. I can’t function without it.
Yes. I do like that.
Feels like
diredandmc, but way more stylized and cool.Ah, Midnight Commander, how have I missed you.
How does it look like in a proper 80x25?
awesome
Those who don’t know Norton Commander are condemned to reinvent it.
Or DOS Shell.
This is much prettier, though.
Why is it making network connections when I run it?
Did you check what the connections are about ? Maybe it is only checking for new updates ?
It wanted to download a zip file. Apparently it was a theme. But, I’m not letting a local file manager talk to the internet randomly. If I want to update it, I’ll update it myself. Or, at least provide an option to enable it on first run.
Uninstalled.
Good to know. How do you test if a program makes network connections? Do you just open Wireshark and look at outgoing traffic?
the hero we need
Linux user. Installs fancy gui. Uses terminal for file management.
/Use your own meme format.
Commenting so I can grab this later
This file manager made me ditch nnn, very well done!
care to elaborate why? aka give some details on the advantages of superfile? for how long did you use nnn?
It had some functionalities that nnn did not have like displaying processes or favourite directories and such. In the end I got back to nnn because I read that superfile had internet access plus the fact that I use a graphical file manager for things that nnn or many terminal file managers can not do with extensive plugins.
Uhm both displaying copy/move process and having shortcuts for “favourite” dirs is quite possible with nnn. Although for the later I mostly use -S argument for persistent session.
The only drawback of nnn in my book is the kind of weird/cumbersome way to configure it eith ENV variables. And the non-existent preview image display under wayland.
Yeah, having to customize with env variables is not great, and adding bookmarks is much easier in superfile. Anyway I suposse one does not set bookmarks to often. Plus nnn was so fast I just tapped they keys to get to the directory I needed easily. Once I learned most shortcuts I was flying trough operarions.