What's the best light desktop env to install in a Linux distro?
from Crying4625@lemmy.ml to linux@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 21:39
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I want to revive an old Lenovo laptop with an AMD A6 2.6GHz and 4GB ram, what would be the best option for a DE?

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Deckweiss@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 21:49 next collapse

There are many options, but I’d say on those specs anything will run more or less fine with some tweaks/settings.

Personally I would go with KDE Plasma, because I feel most comfortable with it. It can be pretty light on system ressources when configured properly. Disable all the visual stuff (animations, blur, anti aliasing) and some of it’s background modules (baloo and some other stuff that you personally don’t need).

But you should take the one you are familiar with and find out how you can tweak it to be more light. Cheers

Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:24 collapse

I have tested KDE plasma in my main pc for a few weeks now and the ram consumption seems pretty high and have too many options. I’m looking for something light and easy to use (not many options) since the pc is going to be used by someone not very tech savvy.

Deckweiss@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 23:41 collapse

Measuring RAM usage is extremely tricky, because programs will use more than they need, if there is lots of unused RAM available. Check out www.linuxatemyram.com if you want to learn more.

For me KDE Plasma uses over a gig on my main PC after a fresh boot. But it also ran perfectly fine on a 512MB ancient laptop.

ogeist@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 21:55 next collapse

XFCE or LxQT but i have a preference for XFCE if it is for normal use.

Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:21 collapse

Same. Mostly because I used to run XFCE some years ago, but I might give LXQT a try. Thanks

cerement@slrpnk.net on 06 Jul 2024 21:55 next collapse

  • the big guns: Gnome or Plasma
  • the middle tier: Xfce or LXQt
  • the lightweights: tiling window managers (and there’s a LOT to choose from)
  • the alternative crowd: Mate, Cinnamon, Regolith
Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:15 next collapse

I think gnome and KDE Plasma are just too heavy. And I would use a WM if it was for me, in fact that what I use in my daily driver but it is for someone not that tech savvy. I may check one from the alternative crowd tho. Thanks for the answer

boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net on 07 Jul 2024 00:03 next collapse

Try KDE Plasma, you can strip out a ton of it, for example XOrg entirely, baloo, animations, etc.

krash@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 15:31 collapse

Got any guides on how to strip plasma down to the bare necessities? I have it on a machine with 4 GB RAM, but I don’t know how to optimize it for such old hardware.

boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net on 07 Jul 2024 17:27 collapse

I updated this project once. This is a very good start on what packages you need.

There are metapackages different for each distribution, like plasma-meta on Arch or plasma-workspace on Fedora.

This may be too bloated, but leaving out some core components (like infocenter or display) may result in random Systemsettings pages missing.

Also on Fedora, the “Netinstall” “minimal” variant is impossible to include wireless packages (“hardware support” group) so it is easier to start from a normal KDE install and just remove things you dont need.

Some things are also settings like balooctl disable && balooctl purge

Jumuta@sh.itjust.works on 07 Jul 2024 00:43 next collapse

plasma is surprisingly performant

folkrav@lemmy.ca on 07 Jul 2024 00:49 collapse

I seem to remember hearing about Plasma having similar memory usage to XFCE. Don’t quote me on that lol

RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Jul 2024 22:16 next collapse

OP asked for desktop env, and tiling window managers are… Well only window managers and not desktop environments…

sturlabragason@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 23:00 next collapse

I like MATE. It feels familiar. (I’m a GNOME user 😅)

MonkderDritte@feddit.de on 07 Jul 2024 11:02 next collapse

  • the alternative crowd: Mate, Cinnamon, Regolith

Middle tier too.

mr_pip@discuss.tchncs.de on 09 Jul 2024 09:11 collapse

not sure, if cinnamon still qualifies as alternative considering the massive Linux Mint crowd.

dasenboy@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 21:57 next collapse

Probably lxqt. https://lxqt-project.org/ Very lightweight yet a full-on DE (minus bells and whistles). Found on most Linux distros repositories.

Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:18 collapse

Yeah I’ll check LXQT. It’s been a long time since I thinkered with distros an DEs. Thanks

dasenboy@lemmy.ml on 08 Jul 2024 09:57 collapse

By the way, you might also investigate window managers, which aren’t as full-featured as DE’s but are even lighter on resources. Back in the day before KDE and Gnome, I used Window Maker , which is based on Steve Job’s NextStep’s UI. Only works with X, not Wayland, though. https://www.windowmaker.org/

kbal@fedia.io on 06 Jul 2024 21:57 next collapse

Does Xfce count as light? It's got plenty of features. Should fit in 4gb well enough though.

RandomLegend@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Jul 2024 22:17 next collapse

If xfce doesnt count as light I don’t know what would

Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:20 collapse

Well when I used tu it like 12 years ago it was very light. I’ll have to check now. Thanks for the answer

[deleted] on 06 Jul 2024 21:57 next collapse

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Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:13 next collapse

I was debating myself between those 2. I like xfce, and they announced recently that they have plans to move to Wayland but maybe I’ll give LXQT a try to see what it is like. Thanks for the answer

boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net on 07 Jul 2024 00:02 collapse

I think XFCE has way more themes etc. Both are extremely themable though.

miracleorange@beehaw.org on 07 Jul 2024 00:25 collapse

Wayland development is also well under way for Xfce.

eugenia@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:01 next collapse

That’s fast enough to run the latest Linux Mint with Cinnamon. I have two laptops with the exact same cpu speed (passmark score) and 4 GB of ram. With 2 GB swap file you will be in business.

Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:17 collapse

Oh, that’s pretty neat info. I’m more of an Arch user but I might give Linux mint a try now that I know that. Thanks

azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works on 07 Jul 2024 03:12 collapse

wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cinnamon Cinnamon is available for Arch, would be the same or better

Tyoda@lemm.ee on 07 Jul 2024 07:36 collapse

Arch + Cinnamon is neato!

schwim@lemm.ee on 06 Jul 2024 22:18 next collapse

I love OB with tint2 and conky , no de needed.

Crying4625@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 22:28 collapse

If it was for me I could use something like that. But I don’t think the person I’ll give the pc to would be able to lol

schwim@lemm.ee on 06 Jul 2024 22:35 next collapse

Could you tell me what would be lacking? There’s a surprising amount of bells and whistle s you can add to the setup. Check out bunsenlabs distro for an example.

Telorand@reddthat.com on 06 Jul 2024 23:25 next collapse

If it’s for someone else, I’d pick Mate or XFCE. Should feel familiar to Windows (which is what I’d guess they’re coming from), and it should be light enough to work on that hardware.

ElementaryOS comes with Pantheon, which is also very light, iirc, and it might be worth trying out via a live ISO.

muhyb@programming.dev on 07 Jul 2024 07:18 collapse

I think what you need is LXQT in that case. It’s light while still being a DE.

ssm@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Jul 2024 22:30 next collapse

For something with that little memory, I would use a minimal window manager; you’ll want every megabyte of memory if you want to have any chance at running something like a javascript-capable browser without constantly hammering swap. fvwm, cwm, jwm, and ratpoison are all small window managers I enjoy; but do your own research into what window manager is the best for you.

korthrun@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Jul 2024 22:37 next collapse

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Zier@fedia.io on 06 Jul 2024 23:15 next collapse

I'm running Kubuntu on less than that on a desktop and it works just fine.

sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Jul 2024 23:18 next collapse

In my experiments with a similar setup and integrated graphics, full-wayland Kubuntu feels much more responsive than Xorg-Lubuntu, for what it’s worth

Trent@lemmy.ml on 06 Jul 2024 23:23 next collapse

I usually go with Xfce.

LeFantome@programming.dev on 06 Jul 2024 23:36 next collapse

If you don’t need a full desktop environment, check-out IceWM.

I recently checked-out Trinity ( essentially KDE 3 modernized ) and was surprised how decent it was. I used it in Q4OS but it may be available in your distro.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world on 06 Jul 2024 23:58 collapse

I use IceWM on antiX. Seems to be a good mix of low resource usage and aesthetics.

LeFantome@programming.dev on 07 Jul 2024 00:05 next collapse

Your biggest problem is going to be the 4 GB of RAM. Saving a few hundred megs on the DE will help but not much. If you run a web browser ( and I cannot imagine using a computer without one ) that RAM is going to fill up fast.

Honestly, I would use a 32 bit distro on that hardware.

Q4OS with Trinity, Antix, Adelie, and DSL are all pretty decent options.

ryannathans@aussie.zone on 07 Jul 2024 00:27 next collapse

Zram

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 07 Jul 2024 14:46 collapse

What’s wrong with 4Gb? It works fine for light usage and you can enable swap to a SSD for when you want something a little memory hungry like a lot of tabs.

LeFantome@programming.dev on 07 Jul 2024 20:38 collapse

I used a system with 6 GB daily until not long ago. I had to constantly restart my web browsers to reclaim memory. RAM was a constant issue. A 32 bit distro made things a lot better.

scytale@lemm.ee on 07 Jul 2024 02:59 next collapse

Technically not a DE, but I like plain openbox.

CarlCook@feddit.de on 07 Jul 2024 10:33 collapse

Wasn‘t there a crunchbang project putting this nicely together with debian? I remember it fondly, but that is centuries ago…

MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 10:38 collapse

Bunsen Labs and Crunchbang ++ carry that flag now.

OopsAllTwix@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Jul 2024 21:10 collapse

There’s also Mabox, Archcraft, and Arco.

azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works on 07 Jul 2024 03:10 next collapse

LXQt, XFCE Or a window manager, they’re all lightweight.

phanto@lemmy.ca on 07 Jul 2024 03:20 next collapse

I have a thumb drive with Mint Mate installed on it and it runs fine on a 4gb i5 - 3rd gen.

jaypatelani@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 03:39 next collapse

Moksha Desktop environment Bodhi Linux

jaypatelani@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 03:40 collapse

Or Fedora Budgie Edition

stoy@lemmy.zip on 07 Jul 2024 04:39 next collapse

If you are still using X, get Fluxbox, very lightweight, requires some config, but that is fairly easy.

Pacmanlives@lemmy.world on 08 Jul 2024 17:25 collapse

+1 for Fluxbox!

It’s such an underrated WM

stoy@lemmy.zip on 08 Jul 2024 21:15 collapse

Yeah, unfortunately it seems like it will not get a Wayland version though…

Pacmanlives@lemmy.world on 08 Jul 2024 22:45 collapse

Yeah……… I wish someone would port it or come out with something similar. Been using Blackbox/Fluxbox since the 2000’s

bardmoss@linux.community on 07 Jul 2024 04:46 next collapse

Moksha Heck, just install Bodhi Linux 7, your choice between Ubuntu based or Debian based.

mrvictory1@lemmy.world on 07 Jul 2024 10:14 next collapse

If the PC has an SSD, install anything you want, the PC will handle it fine.

qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Jul 2024 11:16 next collapse

KDE plasma. From my experience it uses less resources than lxqt and xfce and works out of the box while lxqt and xfce required extra work to get wifi, screen brightness controls and audio working. I can have 10+ tabs in a chromium based browser open without lag on an old laptop with 2GB ram and 1.33 - 1.83GHz 4 core intel atom from 10 years ago.

gi1242@lemmy.world on 07 Jul 2024 11:58 collapse

s/chromium/Firefox/g

GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 11:27 next collapse

Xfce, LXQt or just install JWM and enjoy the 30 Mb idle RAM usage

Sina@beehaw.org on 07 Jul 2024 11:29 next collapse

A window manager like i3 or Openbox. If you are curious what that’s like, then try out Bunsenlab Linux. (XFWM4 is also a great choice, but it requires some know how to properly rip out the rest of Xfce, like the relatively heavy desktop and the panel)

gi1242@lemmy.world on 07 Jul 2024 12:00 next collapse

honestly they are all pretty good at this point. start with the default ur distro supports. if that isn’t to your taste try kde/plasma, gnome or lxde

BCsven@lemmy.ca on 07 Jul 2024 12:05 next collapse

Is the A6 from 2017/18? Should be fine with anything. My wife’s laptop is from 2010/11. I tried all the DEs because of the lightness claims, I found GNOME worked the best, and it is super peppy running NixOS.

I asked online why GNOME would perform better than what is assumed a lighter DE, and a comouter dude says GNOME goes and gets everything it needs and caches it when you launch something so retrieval is faster in the app, KDE loads stuff on demand as it is asked for so a alow CPU and HDD hinderes KDE for me.

if you can afford it, by 4 more gigs of RAM

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 07 Jul 2024 14:44 collapse

Get an SSD as it will make your life way better

BCsven@lemmy.ca on 07 Jul 2024 18:36 collapse

I did that later but this laptop only supports SATA II speeds so it helped, but isn’t game changing like it would be on SATA III speeds

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 07 Jul 2024 20:21 collapse

Does it have a PCIe slot for an extra WiFi card? You might be able to adapt it.

BCsven@lemmy.ca on 08 Jul 2024 00:47 collapse

No it’s too old and cheap for extra slots. But for 2011 it runs office stuff, zoom calls, etc perfectly fine. With w10 it was a complete brick.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 07 Jul 2024 14:43 next collapse

That’s a reasonable machine. You probably could use anything but if you want lighter weight you could use Xfce4. If it is a laptop you could use stock gnome with some swap as a backup to prevent OOM

poinck@lemm.ee on 07 Jul 2024 16:28 next collapse

You could try Niri. I have tested it with a ~10 year old notebook with a 1st gen Core i5 cpu.

But, even newest Gnome runs smooth on this machine.

nyan@sh.itjust.works on 07 Jul 2024 17:28 next collapse

LXQt, XFCE, Maté, TDE. Any of them will do. Which you choose depends on personal preference and how large an ecosystem you want—LXQt has only a few basic applications, TDE has pretty much everything that was in KDE3, the others are somewhere in between.

OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 17:39 next collapse

PSA no matter how light your distro, any modern app or webpage will use all that power

geoma@lemmy.ml on 07 Jul 2024 18:03 next collapse

I would go mx linux fluxbox

737@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 08 Jul 2024 03:14 next collapse

river or sway

BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one on 08 Jul 2024 03:26 next collapse

Ironically, ChromeOS Flex would run smooth on those specs, since it does so on my dogshit Samsung Chromebook 3 with shittier specs.

mapleseedfall@lemmy.world on 08 Jul 2024 10:24 collapse

What the hell is that monstrosity?

markstos@lemmy.world on 08 Jul 2024 21:30 collapse

ChromeOS. It’s relatively simple, secure and runs on older hardware.

bruhduh@lemmy.world on 08 Jul 2024 03:35 next collapse

I recently bought netbook on AMD c50 for 20$ and firstly, i bought some ram and ssd, luckily ddr3 is very cheap, one or two 8gb sodimm modules and 256gb ssd, or in my case 360gb because price was the same when i ordered them, 360gb was even slightly cheaper, so what i was trying to say, this small cheap upgrade will make a world of difference, and when they’ll arrive I’m planning to install “tumbleweed kde” , whole cost of upgrade is 8$ for one module of 8gb ddr3 sodimm, and 17$ for 360gb ssd, 256gb price was the same as i said before

robber@lemmy.ml on 08 Jul 2024 10:34 next collapse

Does not answer your question, and someone already mentioned it in a thread, but don’t forget zram when only 4GBs are available.

b0rlax@beehaw.org on 08 Jul 2024 10:58 next collapse

Xfce

dessalines@lemmy.ml on 08 Jul 2024 15:47 next collapse

Its fairly difficult to find “up-to-date” performance / RAM comparisons of Linux Desktop environments, but here’s a decent one from 2019 comparing memory usage of different Ubuntu flavors.

The most surprising thing is that despite KDE Plasma’s reputation as being more ram-hungry, it actually used less ram than XFCE, meaning its developers have been making performance a focus.

Presi300@lemmy.world on 09 Jul 2024 08:29 collapse

I’d go with XFCE