With all this ghostty talk. Am I out of touch for still using terminator all these years?
from lordnikon@lemmy.world to linux@lemmy.ml on 02 Jan 07:27
https://lemmy.world/post/23795531
from lordnikon@lemmy.world to linux@lemmy.ml on 02 Jan 07:27
https://lemmy.world/post/23795531
Like the question above am I just an old man that’s not keeping up with the times or is terminator still a great terminal to use in 2025?
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I have never heard of terminator.
I must be older and even more out of touch than you are, as I only use the default Terminal that came with my distro and I had to do a search to check what were Ghostty and Terminator (I know about the movie, obviously, but I’m also old enough to have been watching it in theatre the year it was first released ;)
I’m like a generation younger than you at least and I’m on the default terminal and tmux train, so I’m saying you’re not out of touch.
Ghostty is the new kid, Terminator has been around since 2008 it seems. I don’t use it for 6 years now.
I used terminator until a couple of weeks ago when I moved from i3 to hyprland. Now I use kitty 🤷🏼♂️
I have switched from XTerm to Konsole only a year ago.
I’m an old man. I don’t get the appeal of a terminal with hardware acceleration and all that fancy stuff. I use what the distro/DE came with.
I am with you. xfce4-terminal in drop down mode is all I need!
Xfce4-terminal has the quake style drop down mode?
(rushes off to try it)
Exactly. You invoke it with
xfce4-terminal --drop-downIf you set that as a shortcut in xfce, the first call will start it and recurring calls will show the running instance.
Evidently I’m similarly old, but a lot of the TUI apps replacing old standards look better.
Whatever wezterm uses to render ligatures has made editing quite pleasant, it doesn’t eat random control characters either which I found insufferable in a few that ship with DEs. Its still miles better than the cart, YMMV depending on what you use it for.
I’ve used GNOME Terminal since 2005.
I think gnome-console is the new default. At first, I was sceptical and stayed on gnome-terminal, but now gnome-console seems stable, fast and simple to replace it for me.
I have used other terminal emulators with different DEs, though.
From a look at the documentation it’s just a fancy terminal. If you don’t really care about theming or image rendering then it’s not something you need. If you’re trying to rice a UI like hyprland then it looks like a good option.
Personally, I don’t see much added value over whatever the default terminal is but I’ve never been one to mess with things that do what they are supposed to.
A terminal is a terminal. If there is a feature you don’t know you need then you don’t need it. Run with whatever you have
That makes no sense. By that logic we would still be using horses since technically we don’t -need- cars. There are of course thing “you don’t know about” but would totally use if you were introduced to them.
I’m pretty sure someone thought
I’d say the same is true for terminal emulators.
Or
At the end of the day it’s a black box where you can type commands. If thats all you need than you need anything else.
Agreed. I feel like this is a prime case for the Fisherman’s Parable.
Most of us would be using our feet and transit (and possibly bikes); both our households and our economies would be better off financially and bodily if car use was restricted to goods hauling and some few other uses (not to mention the environment). Mass motorism has turned out to be mostly a way to enrich the auto industry, not our societies, with North America as a warning to the rest of us. (See !fuckcars@lemmy.world for more.)
There are plenty of times where humanity has chased the latest fad without considering the costs & benefits properly. The amount of energy and hardware being blown away on LLMs are another example; same goes for creepto and NFTs.
That said, having a look around for various applications, including terminals, is generally good. If someone finds something that covers their needs but with lower costs, that’s good. And if they find something with a shiny new bell or whistle at exorbitant cost, eh, maybe think twice before choosing it.
I use foot which is Wayland aware and renders Unicode fonts. Honestly I don’t need much from the terminal itself as I’m usually in tmux to deal with all the “tabs” and scrollback.
Yeah. Pretty much all of the above.
I used to rely on Sway for terminal tabs and splits. Only recently did I realize that tmux is the better option, even for local use. Already used tmux for SSH sessions.
Reasoning?
cdto the root for every new shell session I start.Interesting, thanks. Had not considered that second point.
I’d like to think there’s a difference between “keeping up with the times” and chasing whatever new thing gets advertised.
Unless you’re really into number chasing with benchmarks then just keep using whatever you like until something YOU find better comes along.
Also I’m GenZ and just use whatever comes with the DE, it’s not an old person thing shakes fist.
I just use konsole. It comes with plasma and is more than good enough for me.
Same, it just works.
Ditto, this and Yakuake, which is great at keeping it out of the way until I need it.
Yup, Konsole is good enough.
Yes, Team Konsole!
Konsole is great! Only complaint I have is its too complicated to change the text color scheme. But I’ll manage. Still beats everything else I’ve tried.
The main advantages I have felt with fancy terminals are
Launches faster sounds like you have a weird shell config.
Also scrolling isn’t really existing in a terminal. If you are
tail -f somefilethen it depends on how fast it is written to, how fast tail is. If you have some TUI tool open it dependa how fast it can emit it’s UI.If your program only emits 100MB data each seconds then a terminal sink of 30GB/s wouldn’t really benefit.
Power users like me run a terminal multiplexer anyways so there is another bottleneck.
And the configuration is onetime only (if the terminal configuration will be downward compatible with a version 10 years from now).
Terminator isn’t supported anymore as far as I remember. A good substitution for it is Tilix. I’d been using the latter for a while but recently I switched to the new default terminal in Fedora (it had weird name that I unable to remember) and Tilling Shell extension for Gnome.
Tilix is great but also unmaintained.
Maintainers wanted. At least it’s not completely dead…
Terminal emulators are pretty niche. I also tend to stick with what’s included with the DE. I’ve only used a third party terminal when I used gnome. Blackbox, as the one included in gnome at the time was still using gtk3.
Lol
Imagine being this guy above me and thinking that the percent of people that would switch out from their default shipped DE terminal emulator is anything but a minority 🤪
I mean, you work with what’s there. But the world works (not runs, that’s the shell) on them.
Nah, the world uses what’s there. It’s a small subset that even works on them directly. See also: xkcd meme about infra being supported by one guy in some random state.
How are they niche? I’m not trying to be a dick or anything. I genuinely don’t understand.
On my Mac, I use Retroterm because emulates Old CRT screens - with scan lines and ghosting and stuff .
Does nothing , crashes sometimes, but is Lots of fun if you’re the guy that remembers floppies.
theres a cool preset called “futuristic” on the linux version (cool retro term) -with a bit of tweaking you can make it look like a terminal from the alien franchise
Ooh didn’t know that…
(rushes off to try it)
Afaik terminator is unmaintained but some people still use it. I’ve heard of Tilix as a good alternative but can’t tell you if that’s the case as I haven’t used either. I change terminals only if there’s a feature my current one doesn’t have.
I used alacritty (because that’s what came with the distro I used, ArcoLinux) until I switched to Wayland where alacritty font scaling was inconsistent across Xorg and Wayland sessions (and I was still switching between the two). So I went to kitty, until I was convinced to switch to foot because it seemed to open faster so I went to it. Then I switched to COSMIC which doesn’t let me remove window decorations server-side and neither kitty nor foot supported their removal client side, so I switched to alacritty which did.
I will switch to COSMIC terminal for convenience (as I use COSMIC) when they fix their font rendering (it’s like old Alacritty, only that modern Alacritty has fixed it but cosmic-term still hasn’t).
Eh, why would you? They’re fancy looking but if what you use works for you that’s about it.
I use yakuake (or guake if I still used gnome), I love having a consitent terminal slide down the screen every time I press a shortcut, especially if it’s supplememtary to what I’m doing in the graphical shell.
And I love the theming options such as transparency. I fell in love with Yakuake a loooong time ago and still love it ! Autohide on outside click and multiple tabbed terminals in the same super easy access window.
I loved terminator but after learning tmux I just don’t really see much point in the main feature. I use xfce4-terminal on i3 these days.
Is there a reason to change? I use foot terminal, have also used Alacritty and Kitty previously.
I switched from terminator to alacritty a while back. Moved to kitty a few months until a bug was fixed. I do try out new terminals occasionally, but nothing feels as nice as alacritty to me so i stay.
Prefer baratty
Edit: baratty -> bara tiddy
This is a very good joke
Yeah it’s great I have a hot key super + Enter to open terminator so the mussle memory doesn’t change if I change terminals
Hmm you interested me
What’s its advantages over Terminator? Does it have any?
GPU-accelerated, likely faster and less mem usage (Python vs Zig), and image rendering.
I chose Kitty cause of the name and I have never looked at anything else.
Another happy Kitty user here!
I use my terminal as an IDE. Kitty makes it (relatively) easy to write custom interactive applets (aka kittens) that open in new panes or communicate between panes. The ssh integration is also really useful: whenever I ssh into my remote work station my fish and helix config gets copied over.
Judging by the code (a mix of C, python, and go) and the fast release rate, the core maintainer seems to be an utter mad genius – which unfortunately is sometimes reflected in his notoriously abrasive communication style.
Only thing I’m lacking is persistent remote sessions. The maintainer is not quiet about his dislike of tmux and other multiplexers. It’s wildly inefficient to process every byte twice, he argues. Convincing but Kitty doesn’t currently offer an alternative for remote sessions, which is where I do most of my work. Wezterm has something for this in beta, but misses many of the niceties of Kitty. So I’m still using tmux for everything in Kitty, because it trips me up to have one way of working with panes locally and another way when working remotely.
I tried Ghostty, if only because the maintainer is an excellent communicator. I found it polished but simple. I couldn’t figure out how to page up the scrollback or search it. I couldn’t rename tab titles. The config format seemed under-documented. I’ll give it another go in a month or so.
I’m no connoisseur, but I just want the same feel as I had back in the 90s. No terminal emulator, straight up tty with crisp VGA ROM fonts at some hacky SuperVGA resolution. Before the virtual framebuffer that basically every computer today uses for tty.
Konsole, gnome-terminal and ghostty can all be made to feel right to me. I’m giving ghostty a spin, and I like how it supports custom shaders so I can make it feel even more like home.
Use whatever you like. You know your needs better than anybody else. As for me, I like Konsole and I will stick to that.
“Am I just an old man…”
-Lord Nikon
I definitely am not getting old, nor am I Zero Cool
Lol zerocool is around here too. I have him tagged it’s always fun when we meet in a thread.