Fedora members plan on creating a Cosmic Desktop Spin
(news.itsfoss.com)
from Pantherina@feddit.de to linux@lemmy.ml on 22 Feb 2024 13:49
https://feddit.de/post/9211434
from Pantherina@feddit.de to linux@lemmy.ml on 22 Feb 2024 13:49
https://feddit.de/post/9211434
There already is an experimental image based on Silverblue with the alpha stage Cosmic Epoch Desktop.
Mainly finetuning and SELinux profiles are needed!
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Iād hop to this in a heartbeat. I do enjoy pop os and Iāve been looking for a reason to go back to Fedora since Iāve been on openSUSE for a while.
That does look slick!
TIL cosmic is the name of the pop! DE
Itās not the name of it currently. Itās currently an alpha, and will be released with the next major release of popos, which is due in April. ļæ¼
Its Cosmic Epoch to be fair
If the performance playing Last Epoch is not flawless Iāll riot then. /s
oh yes. Iām ready
This would be awesome. Fedora has really been one of the best distros lately, hopefully they donāt get fucked by Red Hat in the future.
Didnt it get fucked once? Also what did fedora do lately? Seriously asking.
There used to be a Linux just called Red Hat Linux. It was run by Red Hat obviously but a community built up around it.
Fedora was literally created by RedHat and staffed to be the ācommunityā distro. They did this so that they could be ācorporateā with Red Hat Linux ( now called Red Hat Enterprise Linux ).
I find it funny when people say that Red Hat is going to try to take away the community in Fedora and use their corporate behaviour in RHEL as an example. They literally created them both. The whole point of Fedora is to be community driven.
Fedora is a lot like RHEL in most ways but absolutely not a competitor to it. More of a testing ground. This is all by design.
Where things went wrong for them is that somebody created a bug for bug clone of RHEL. The story was that the clone would be a ācommunityā but that is bonkers because ( by definition ) the clone cannot deviate from RHEL. It cannot innovate. It cannot modify or contribute code ( not even fix bugs ). So, it was just a zero cost version of RHEL. The whole reason for creating Fedora was to prevent that.
Anyway, Red Hat likes Fedora and WANTS it to be āfreeā and anybody that understands the history knows why.
In fact, the problem is somewhat that Fedora is not allowed to get too corporate. You will notice that Fedora is one of the staunchest distros with regards to including potentially patented codecs and such for example.
No, they only fucked CentOS, and they made RHEL proprietary last year. Since Ubuntuās decline, Fedora basically took itās place. Itās very stable but not extremely outdated, has great security, always supports the newest technologies like Flatpak, Wayland, Pipewire, etc., has good Desktop spins and constantly innovates. The next Fedora KDE release will even completely drop support for X11, which is a good step because it forces developers to adopt Wayland. They also have pretty good immutable spins like Silverblue, Kinoite and others. Other cool distros like Nobara and uBlue are also built on top of Fedora.
Its not really proprietary. Developers get the code, and everyone that gets the binaries also gets the code. Thats GPL compliant.
To quote Software Freedom Conservancy:
To quote both of you ānevertheless complies with the GPL and other standard copyleft termsā.
Were you trying to prove his point?
As shocking as this might be, I think heās agreeing, and offering supplimentary proof
Obviously they comply with the GPL, otherwise they would get sued. But Red Hat acts exactly like a proprietary software company. Thatās what the quote is trying to say.
Devs get the code but canāt redistribute it, so itās proprietary code
They can look at it and change it, so it is not secret.
Thatās not enough. Still proprietary
Fucking awesome. I love pop os but Iād probably switch to this in a heartbeat. Ubuntu has such a huge community so you basically have access to every package out there, but Iād rather deal with fedoraās package manager and flat packs then ever think about dealing with snaps
Yeah Snaps (and performance too) are not really Ubuntus stopper problems (you can easily remove them). I mainly want Plasma 6 fast (as I am sure an en par Cosmic will need at least 2 years) so Kubuntu is not an option really. Also snappifying core packages like Firefox, where I am not sure how that affects the tab isolation capabilities, is a bit annoying.
But Ubuntu is pretty quick!
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But Ubuntu is pretty quick!
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I use PopOS as my daily driver on my desktop. The tiling window management is simply the chefās kiss.
Iām stoked for Cosmic DE, itās awesome to see further community adoption of System76ās contribution to Linux.
I have honestly been tempted to hop to Pop!_OS for their take on GNOME. The auto-tiling was really nice when I tested it in a virtual machine.
I believe itās just a gnome plugin. Look it up. :)
Pop Shell can actually be used on other distros. Hereās how: support.system76.com/articles/pop-shell/
That would actually be amazing
Is that matrix group for just fedora cosmic or fedora in general
Look at the group? Its āFedora Cosmicā so yep, but for some reasons Fedora has two servers fedoraproject.org and fedora.im
Having Cosmic on Tumbleweed would be super awesome too
desktop linux is turning into android lmao
All thanks to guhnome and shit hat
My body is ready
I still donāt understand the need of putting so much time and energy into DE #284838284. I have been using KDE for ages and if I donāt like the looks of it, I change them. Other than that, 99% of my daily use of a linux is independent of any DE. I actually donāt even care what DE it is. Just give me a Terminal Emulator and a graphical desktop to run software.
Do you realize how far you are from the average computer user? DEs and GUIs are very important for most people, and are one of the biggest āselling factorsā for attracting new users.
You are right, but in the end there are so many good choices already. Reminds me of this: xkcd #927
I see your point, but things get more complicated than that, because there are different design choices in many DEs, and you canāt simply change the design choices of an existing project. Some, like gnome, are particularly inflexible in that aspect, and wonāt add some features, even if thereās a high user demand.
They like GNOME, obviously, but they also diverge quite a lot from its workflow (not to say to the better, I have only minimal GNOME experience and no Cosmic Epoch experience).
They want something with their native tiling out of the box, written entirely in Rust. And they are doing something really beneficial here, tbh unlike all the other projects that want to implement their own stuff.
I agree that we dont need more fragmentation, but Kwin and Mutter are both written in memory unsafe languages, and I have many memory safety errors in KDE.
For sure a polished KDE plasma 6 is more usable than their alpha, but
So while I think I dont really like their type of Desktop (I like KDE but tbh I think I could also change to the GNOME style), I sure hope that KDE will switch to Rust more.
Problematic is that KDE is completely and entirely tied to Qt, which is C++ and C only pretty much. This makes KDE waaay to stubborn and I honestly dont think they will every change to Rust at all.
Budgie already thought of using Smithay / Cosmics compositor, but it wasnt ready (I think thats the reason). I think that was a mistake, but its a hard choice.
I think thatās one thing about open source project : a lot of people work for free so they invest time on what they want and like. I donāt know if itās what happens here, but I think in general it is not fair to ask for an optimal time management in open source communities.
I would be just like you if it werenāt that with KDE dragging windows show visible lag and moving them from screen A to screen B causes a micro stutter, the PC lagging into a stop if I drag the window in between screens nonstop.
This doesnāt happen in gnome. It really sucks, because like you, I prefer having the freedom of customising everything to my liking in KDE, but the window behaviour with an nvidia card is simply not acceptable. Until that changes, Iāll stay in the dog house.
Oh, usually Iām very sensitive with things like that, but have not noticed any lags/stutters and Iām someone who immediately sees when the screen is below 120Hz. I use Garuda on my gaming pc and Debian Sid on my old Acer notebook, both with Nvidia GPUās. Hopefully they will release a fix soon. Did you already try nouveau? Or KDE 6?
Not yet, my system is kinda scuffed because I didnāt want to lose the windows disk when I swapped, so I bought a nvme to usb adapter and installed Linux there. Itās a prior m2 nvme so data corruption is not an issue, but on launch sometimes it fails, and kde sadly locks itself quite a lot, so I will stay on gnome (which I need to start with gdm from a separate tty, it fails, and restart the service. I know, really scuffed but it doesnāt lock all the ttys at least) until I get a new mobo, which will come with a full system upgrade (and pass down my current system to my so, which uses windows, so yay) and will get an amd card, so I hope both problems fix themselves.
About this scuffed issue, I have checked journalctl and thereās nothing apperent. Itās just that sometimes it fails to launch everything at the speed the DE wants at startup, and restarting after a fail lets the system load everything. After the login it works flawlessly so w/e, laugh at my stupidity I guess.
About noveau, thatās not really viable since its performance with games is pretty subpar and I like to play pretty demanding games.
This is pretty much my setup anyway. I run Pop Shell on top of Fedora and add dash to dock.
Iām just absolutely hooked on the autotiling built into pop shell.
If its an official spin all the better.
System76 developed its own Desktop, not a modified GNOME anymore. It looks similar, but it is a completely different and novel piece of software.
I canāt wait. As long as they keep the autotiling feature working as well as it does now Iām down.