OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
on 26 Sep 06:47
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Does anyone here run Cosmic DE full time? Does it have any killer features?
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 Sep 07:36
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Brodie uploaded a video yesterday that should answer that question for you.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 Sep 08:43
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exactly everything I need and nothing more. doesn’t need X. reasonably lightweight. no fiddly configuration needed. nice support for tiling alongside floating.
also, very buggy (at least as of alpha.7), somewhat fickle (at least on my hardware), and I can’t remap keyboard shortcuts.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in
on 27 Sep 09:56
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Currently testing beta, I could remap keyboard shortcuts.
Go Input Devices / Keyboard / View and customize shortcuts and find your desired shortcut.
Do not delete the first bind before adding a new keybind.
Click “Add another keybind”, hit your desired keybinds, then remove the first bind.
1XEVW3Y07@reddthat.com
on 26 Sep 12:46
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After using Autotiling from the Cosmic desktop, I can’t go back to anything else. I’ve tried distro hopping to Gnome based desktops for a few reasons, but always wind back up on Cosmic.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Sep 15:11
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I tried a number of the alphas and just hate it. Like fundamentally hate it, not just because it was buggy.
I wish System76 would just put out a 24.10 release instead of spending all their resources on this DE.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in
on 27 Sep 10:17
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I see it as a great middle ground for those that wanting to use tiling WMs but do not want to dabble into editing config using text files, scripts etc. I’ve been running Sway for a year and my initial feedback is really positive. A lot of stuff I had to look up a lot to implement in sway just works with no hassle.
Tiling WMs have a lot of benefit to those using it, but mainly window management becomes unbelievably easier. Not needing to use mouse for simple tasks like resizing windows, moving between programs gives you way more flexibility with what you can do with your cursor.
I like Pop, but note that Gnome has a few extensions that implement tiling (I use PaperWM). I believe KDE also has some tiling support.
Certainly, many of the hardcore tiling environments are too bare and require significant effort to get to a usable state (esp. on laptops, where you want wireless network applets), and it’s unfortunate that it is no longer so easy to mix and match components (e.g. I used to run xmonad on top of Mate).
Having said that, I’ll have another go with the beta!
I actually daily drove it during Alpha for a bit but stopped using it after a couple Alpha releases because it got a bit worse with each alpha release and more slow. Haven’t tried the beta yet but will probably get around to it soon.
Killer feature? I mean if you want GNOME or a regular DE with tiling then sure…have at it. You’re not going to get anywhere near the caliber of customization you would have with say KDE Plasma or literally any other WM out there but the trade of is you don’t have to deal with config files for the tiling aspect. It’s a buggy mess though. With each added feature the bugs just increased which is sort of expected.
The last time I used it the shortcuts were a bit of a pain to get working correctly and the startup was slow. It does come packaged with its own file manager and terminal. The file manager isn’t anything special, but honestly the terminal isn’t that bad. If I recall the terminal doesn’t support images so if that’s something you want (like for me it is since I use Yazi) then I’d just uninstall it. I don’t think it has the option to style GTK stuff but I heard they might have changed that with the Beta.
It’s launcher is pretty nice and you can do a lot with it. naturally app launching but also web searching, calculator, file searching, etc.
I wish it had an option like KDE Plasma does for laptops where you can completely disable the touchpad if you have an external mouse plugged in instead of just disable while typing. But you can circumvent that if you know what you’re doing with like something like noinput cli or whatever or making a udev rule.
I think it still needs a wee bit longer to bake. If they can work out the bugs, speed it up a bit, and make the overall size of it smaller than KDE I would switch back to it. It’s pretty simple and bare bones but I mean for wayland your only options are pretty much Plasma or GNOME so having a third option is awesome.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in
on 26 Sep 06:53
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It's better to wait for a stable product than to release it early with full of bugs
bitcrafter@programming.dev
on 26 Sep 14:06
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Agreed, but I am a little annoyed that they held up all of Pop!_OS for COSMIC.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Sep 15:12
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I’m very annoyed - I hate cosmic and just want normal sytem updates.
stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip
on 26 Sep 15:19
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After all the time they’ve spent on Cosmic, I doubt they’re going to stop using it now. If you dislike it that much, you might be better off looking for another distro that offers a different DE.
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 26 Sep 19:38
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This makes no sense - Pop_OS offers Gnome, KDE/Plasma, etc. as alternatives. Why should I stop using it because I don’t like one of the other DEs?
stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip
on 26 Sep 22:10
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Because you just complained about them not releasing updates? Work on the underlying distribution is most likely going to be slow for a while longer since they’re continuing to work on Cosmic. I’m sure you have your reasons for doing it this way, but you’re already using a different DE than Pop comes with. Why not put your DE of choice on another distribution where you can get the normal system updates you want?
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 01:04
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you’re already using a different DE than Pop comes with
Pop comes with KDE/Plasma.
I use PopOS because I have a System76 laptop. It runs well on my hardware. I’m allowed to complain about things without some shit telling me to just “use another distro”. If I wanted to run another distro I’d run another distro. Lordy…
stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip
on 27 Sep 01:19
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I use PopOS because I have a System76 laptop. It runs well on my hardware. I’m allowed to complain about things without some shit telling me to just “use another distro”. If I wanted to run another distro I’d run another distro. Lordy…
I originally responded to you with a suggestion that I hoped would be helpful, not knowing what your experience level or reason for using the distro was. You responded by being rude and insulting. I hope you have a good day!
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 01:52
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stargazingpenguin@lemmy.zip
on 26 Sep 15:14
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It does feel like they lost some momentum by doing that. I don’t have numbers of course, but it seemed like everybody was talking about it around the time 22.04 came out. Now I don’t hear nearly as much. Hopefully the new release will regain some of that!
Been using cosmic ui on and off since the beta release and it is still pretty beta. Really good at this point honestly and a huge achievement for them but not without some annoying bugs for me.
Just something to consider before jumping. You should be ready to work around some annoyances, deal with some slowness/quirks, and probably be ready to provide feedback and bug reports.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 15:39
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I tried one of the earlier alphas a year ago and it was too rough to daily drive, but I’ve been looking forward to beta. It’s not often we get a completely new DE so it’s very exciting.
I installed it yesterday and have been using it for a few hours. I love how smooth and responsive it feels. You can feel the benefits of being built from scratch in Rust. I wish the UI was more customizable, since I come from KDE and have very strong preferences on desktop layout, but it’s otherwise an improvement on GNOME’s ideas, as far as I’m concerned. It will be very appealing to Mac expats, which is S76’s key audience, I think. It’s a hard sell for Windows or KDE users.
One thing I do love versus KDE is the common sense naming conventions. The files tool is called “Files” and the terminal is called “Terminal” and the text editor is called “Text Editor.” There are no ridiculous, ambiguous names for the default apps.
The built-in tiling features are also absolutely wonderful. They work so well, so fluidly, and so intuitively. I am going to have a hard time giving that up when I switch back to KDE.
However, it still has a lot of rough edges and is not ready for less-technical users right now. Networking is squirrelly, the UI briefly freezes sometimes in very isolated and frustrating ways.
I’m going to continue using it over the weekend, but I am likely going back to Fedora + KDE next week. I like the direction that COSMIC is going, but I need more customization and stability before it can be a daily driver for me.
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More info in this article on linuxiac
Does anyone here run Cosmic DE full time? Does it have any killer features?
Brodie uploaded a video yesterday that should answer that question for you.
exactly everything I need and nothing more. doesn’t need X. reasonably lightweight. no fiddly configuration needed. nice support for tiling alongside floating.
also, very buggy (at least as of alpha.7), somewhat fickle (at least on my hardware), and I can’t remap keyboard shortcuts.
Currently testing beta, I could remap keyboard shortcuts.
Go Input Devices / Keyboard / View and customize shortcuts and find your desired shortcut.
Do not delete the first bind before adding a new keybind. Click “Add another keybind”, hit your desired keybinds, then remove the first bind.
After using Autotiling from the Cosmic desktop, I can’t go back to anything else. I’ve tried distro hopping to Gnome based desktops for a few reasons, but always wind back up on Cosmic.
I tried a number of the alphas and just hate it. Like fundamentally hate it, not just because it was buggy.
I wish System76 would just put out a 24.10 release instead of spending all their resources on this DE.
I don’t like it either. Not for us, I suppose.
I see it as a great middle ground for those that wanting to use tiling WMs but do not want to dabble into editing config using text files, scripts etc. I’ve been running Sway for a year and my initial feedback is really positive. A lot of stuff I had to look up a lot to implement in sway just works with no hassle.
Tiling WMs have a lot of benefit to those using it, but mainly window management becomes unbelievably easier. Not needing to use mouse for simple tasks like resizing windows, moving between programs gives you way more flexibility with what you can do with your cursor.
I like Pop, but note that Gnome has a few extensions that implement tiling (I use PaperWM). I believe KDE also has some tiling support.
Certainly, many of the hardcore tiling environments are too bare and require significant effort to get to a usable state (esp. on laptops, where you want wireless network applets), and it’s unfortunate that it is no longer so easy to mix and match components (e.g. I used to run xmonad on top of Mate).
Having said that, I’ll have another go with the beta!
I actually daily drove it during Alpha for a bit but stopped using it after a couple Alpha releases because it got a bit worse with each alpha release and more slow. Haven’t tried the beta yet but will probably get around to it soon.
Killer feature? I mean if you want GNOME or a regular DE with tiling then sure…have at it. You’re not going to get anywhere near the caliber of customization you would have with say KDE Plasma or literally any other WM out there but the trade of is you don’t have to deal with config files for the tiling aspect. It’s a buggy mess though. With each added feature the bugs just increased which is sort of expected.
The last time I used it the shortcuts were a bit of a pain to get working correctly and the startup was slow. It does come packaged with its own file manager and terminal. The file manager isn’t anything special, but honestly the terminal isn’t that bad. If I recall the terminal doesn’t support images so if that’s something you want (like for me it is since I use Yazi) then I’d just uninstall it. I don’t think it has the option to style GTK stuff but I heard they might have changed that with the Beta.
It’s launcher is pretty nice and you can do a lot with it. naturally app launching but also web searching, calculator, file searching, etc.
I wish it had an option like KDE Plasma does for laptops where you can completely disable the touchpad if you have an external mouse plugged in instead of just disable while typing. But you can circumvent that if you know what you’re doing with like something like noinput cli or whatever or making a udev rule.
I think it still needs a wee bit longer to bake. If they can work out the bugs, speed it up a bit, and make the overall size of it smaller than KDE I would switch back to it. It’s pretty simple and bare bones but I mean for wayland your only options are pretty much Plasma or GNOME so having a third option is awesome.
It’s been 1000 years…
It's better to wait for a stable product than to release it early with full of bugs
Agreed, but I am a little annoyed that they held up all of Pop!_OS for COSMIC.
I’m very annoyed - I hate cosmic and just want normal sytem updates.
After all the time they’ve spent on Cosmic, I doubt they’re going to stop using it now. If you dislike it that much, you might be better off looking for another distro that offers a different DE.
This makes no sense - Pop_OS offers Gnome, KDE/Plasma, etc. as alternatives. Why should I stop using it because I don’t like one of the other DEs?
Because you just complained about them not releasing updates? Work on the underlying distribution is most likely going to be slow for a while longer since they’re continuing to work on Cosmic. I’m sure you have your reasons for doing it this way, but you’re already using a different DE than Pop comes with. Why not put your DE of choice on another distribution where you can get the normal system updates you want?
Pop comes with KDE/Plasma.
I use PopOS because I have a System76 laptop. It runs well on my hardware. I’m allowed to complain about things without some shit telling me to just “use another distro”. If I wanted to run another distro I’d run another distro. Lordy…
I originally responded to you with a suggestion that I hoped would be helpful, not knowing what your experience level or reason for using the distro was. You responded by being rude and insulting. I hope you have a good day!
Well - it was nowhere near helpful.
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It does feel like they lost some momentum by doing that. I don’t have numbers of course, but it seemed like everybody was talking about it around the time 22.04 came out. Now I don’t hear nearly as much. Hopefully the new release will regain some of that!
I'm sure it will. A company is behind it.
LTS Beta ist a bit of a strange combination
You should read it as “beta of the LTS release”, in which case it is not so strange.
Exciting news! I now need to decide whether to try to upgrade from 22.04 or just wipe and start over with the beta.
The question is whether they will release it before or after Ubuntu 26.04 LTS…
Probably same time. Gives them enough time to work on bugs.
Yay, finally I can upgrade to newer software versions!!!
Been using cosmic ui on and off since the beta release and it is still pretty beta. Really good at this point honestly and a huge achievement for them but not without some annoying bugs for me.
Just something to consider before jumping. You should be ready to work around some annoyances, deal with some slowness/quirks, and probably be ready to provide feedback and bug reports.
I tried one of the earlier alphas a year ago and it was too rough to daily drive, but I’ve been looking forward to beta. It’s not often we get a completely new DE so it’s very exciting.
I installed it yesterday and have been using it for a few hours. I love how smooth and responsive it feels. You can feel the benefits of being built from scratch in Rust. I wish the UI was more customizable, since I come from KDE and have very strong preferences on desktop layout, but it’s otherwise an improvement on GNOME’s ideas, as far as I’m concerned. It will be very appealing to Mac expats, which is S76’s key audience, I think. It’s a hard sell for Windows or KDE users.
One thing I do love versus KDE is the common sense naming conventions. The files tool is called “Files” and the terminal is called “Terminal” and the text editor is called “Text Editor.” There are no ridiculous, ambiguous names for the default apps.
The built-in tiling features are also absolutely wonderful. They work so well, so fluidly, and so intuitively. I am going to have a hard time giving that up when I switch back to KDE.
However, it still has a lot of rough edges and is not ready for less-technical users right now. Networking is squirrelly, the UI briefly freezes sometimes in very isolated and frustrating ways.
I’m going to continue using it over the weekend, but I am likely going back to Fedora + KDE next week. I like the direction that COSMIC is going, but I need more customization and stability before it can be a daily driver for me.