ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org
on 10 Jul 2025 13:48
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It’s different this time around.
The previous attempts were about freeing themselves from an abusive unprincipled data-hungry big data monopoly,
This attempt is about freeing themselves from an abusive unprincipled data-hungry big data monopoly operating in a fascist country and in cahoots with the regime.
People are serious, I’ve never seen so many new users in the Linux groups I’m in
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 2025 05:10
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Life long windows user. I switched to Arch a few months ago and I’m not looking back. Will only be using windows in a sandboxed VM if absolutely necessary. Which, I haven’t needed to yet.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org
on 11 Jul 2025 07:21
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Life long windows user. I switched to Arch
Fuck. That’s like going straight from English breakfast tea to hash oil.
I’ve been using Linux almost exclusively both in my personal and professional life for a decade and a half. I only installed Arch a month or two ago.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 08:34
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Installing Arch might be a hassle, I tried it once and couldn’t figure it out so a kept on using Ubuntu and its derivatives. But when I got a Steam Deck I found Steam OS to be easy and the Arch documentation to be thorough and useful.
I mean, considering how many bluescreens Windows is giving these days, you’ll probably have a more stable experience in Arch lol.
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 06:07
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That might not be so much down to how serious people are but rather just how good Linux has gotten lately (especially for games). Although I do think people are more serious now.
Ulrich@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 23:51
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Speaking personally, it’s just as much about Windows getting worse as it is about Linux getting better.
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org
on 12 Jul 2025 04:59
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In any complex system or “wicked problem” involving positive and negative feedback cycles, a combination of factors that push into the same direction can cause the system to flip over - sometimes in dramatic ways.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 10 Jul 2025 16:02
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I’m putting my money on the EU becoming just as openly Fascistic as the US and sticking with Microsoft.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 2025 05:15
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People are downvoting you, but they’re too scared to actually argue against it. I’m obviously hoping this isn’t the case, but you’d be sticking your head in the sand if you said there was no chance of it happening.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 07:34
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We’re already seeing a massive surge of the far right in Europe. Giant media blitzes on social media such as Twitter shoving far right content in their faces.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 08:35
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While the former seems to be the obvious trend and Europe has historically leaned towards it. I don’t see how one results in the other. Whether they stick with Microsoft or not is more economical than political.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jul 2025 15:00
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The Fallout:London timeline was not on my bingo card, not gonna lie. We’re speedrunning Fallout politically here in the US, though.
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2025 16:45
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Other countries like that and Europe deals with are: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Russia and of course, China.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 10 Jul 2025 16:52
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The digital dependence on the US is much like the energy dependence on Russia.
Europe is ditching Russian energy. They may ditch US tech.
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 10 Jul 2025 16:55
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I don’t know about the whole Europe but Spain is buying more energy from Russia than before the war and sanctions.
Don’t get me wrong, I hope that would be the case but Europe is also Corporativist.
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 04:33
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The European Union regulates the market so much it’s hard to call it capitalism, the biggest european companies are basically EU projects like Airbus (every government funds it) or too big too fail like Siemens and/or they would use: “strategic industry” and be done with it.
Edit oh and I almost forgot it, or they are like Inditex, basically not European it’s just an European getting rich while exploiting poor people all around the world, but I think this is actually capitalism and that guy isn’t exactly appreciated by ruling dictator, I mean party, in Spain.
As they article points out it’s all maskerading by the fact that they heavily increased the import in 2023 and now is “reduced”
Saleh@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 10:09
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Thank you for the article. It brought up something quite interesting that i wasn’t aware off before:
But why does Spain rely so heavily on Russia despite the almost global disapproval? The answer lies in this country’s extensive regasification capacity, which stands at 67.1 bcm - the largest in all of Europe. This enables Spain to receive LNG shipments on behalf of other countries that lack the necessary infrastructure, making it a critical hub for European energy trade.
So it seems that Spain is also taking the flak here for other EU countries that want to profit from Russian gas but not be directly associated with it.
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 10:27
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The European Union hypocrisy is lovely, isn’t it?
bufalo1973@europe.pub
on 11 Jul 2025 18:01
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Is there another link on that? The editor behind that page is a little… “undocumented” (there’s almost nothing about it).
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 18:34
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Sure but they are in Spanish. Murcia today is for the local brit community.
The same stuff over 200% increase in 2023 so others can say we dont buy stuff to Russia we buy it to Spain (who bought it to Russia). This source even points out the liquid gas that arrived by boat from Russia wasn’t sanctioned.
As we say in Spain “hecha la ley, hecha la trampa”
It looks like the problem are the contracts. They could go faster breaking the contracts? Yes. But it’s Naturgy and Repsol, both private, not the government. Or are you suggesting that the government has to do a take over of the energy enterprises? 😉
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 12 Jul 2025 11:47
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First you doubt the claim. Then you attack the source, now you find excuses.
Did they or didn’t they increase almost 200% the acquisition of energy from Russia in 2023? Is the Russian Federation a major provider of gas and oil for Spain (and other European countries) or not?
If you notice I am here only to point the hypocrisy of Europe, which they undoubtedly are and Spain is no different.
I don’t know if you work for a company with business in Russia, I did when this whole thing started and contracts didn’t matter much when sanctions came but I guess we weren’t big enough to make excuses.
bufalo1973@europe.pub
on 14 Jul 2025 09:57
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You gave your sources and I gave you mine. And sadly I’m not working.
About the hypocrisy of the Union and the Spanish government, I know both have a truckload of it. But to each its own. The main problem are Naturgy and Repsol. And yes, the Spanish government should grow some balls and tell them to stop at once. But there aren’t balls enough in this government to do the right thing.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 2025 05:11
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God I hope so because I would love to move to Europe as a skilled developer.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 07:51
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[Some*] Europeans just can’t get over their Arab and Muslim-hate despite neither Qatar nor Saudi Arabia posing any threat to Europe and actually being good trading partners. No tariffs, no restrictions, no unfair competition. They adopt many European standards and are a huge market for European goods and services. Yet still the hate is constantly being peddled.
* hopefully a minority but the hate seems to be universal regardless of the political leaning.
Spaniard@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 09:57
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Are they democracies? No. Do they respect human rights? Also no.
I don’t care as much about them as I care about pointing out the hypocrisy of my people. I have a thing against islam but that has nothing to do with this conversation.
juipeltje@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 17:15
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You must have forgotten about why people were so mad at qatar in particular a while back. Remember how many workers died building the stadiums there for the world cup? If you’re american i can understand you weren’t aware of it since european football isn’t exactly popular in america, but it was a huge deal over here with people protesting.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jul 2025 22:11
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Hell, I’m in Silicon Valley here in California, and some of my friends are also jumping off the proprietary ship because those large firms are willing to work hand in hand with federal agencies.
If you’ve read the NSA document disclosures by Edward Snowden, it’s apparent that there is an open door for data requests. The current administration isn’t a huge fan of California’s diversity, so we might as well minimize our chances of being targetted…
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 08:10
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They didn’t just give them a discount, and it was only a very small part of Europe you are talking about. It was Munich, and MS also moved a lot of workplaces to the city, to bribe it…
ThunderLegend@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jul 2025 08:49
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Yeah, I remember reading headlines like this in Linux websites back in 2014…
IceVAN@beehaw.org
on 10 Jul 2025 15:45
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Good F#$%^ riddance.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml
on 10 Jul 2025 21:44
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I am all for ditching Microsoft, but why should this post be in this community? There are also Android, Mac OS, and all kinds of BSD.
zgxiii@hexbear.net
on 11 Jul 2025 00:14
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In the video, he talks about examples of European governments specifically switching to Linux, like a police station using an Ubuntu based distro, and foss software like LibreOffice. I don’t think android, Mac or BSD are mentioned.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 01:05
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Fair enough. I didn’t watch the video.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 08:39
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None of what you listed is a viable alternative for a myriad of reasons. Only GNU+Linux can replace Windows.
Android: a mobile OS first and foremost with very limited usability as a general purpose desktop operating system.
MacOS: hardware from one vendor only.
*BSD: more niche with even lesser support than GNU+Linux.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 12:04
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What’s wrong with going back to pen and (e-)paper for office? My point is, if you are going to post something in the community, the word “linux” shall at least be in the title.
Good title example: Europe is slowly ditching Microsoft for Linux
It’s nobody’s fucking business when someone ditching Microsoft, then adopt BSD, Solaris whatnot. What matters to this community is someone adopting or ditching Linux, or they do something remotely related to it.
bufalo1973@europe.pub
on 11 Jul 2025 18:08
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Didn’t you see the “little” thumbnail that says “This could be huge for Linux”?
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 21:06
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Point is (again), it takes zero effort to cross post a video or article here. Windows is historically having a high market share ratio, and people are migrating to Linux nowadays. That’s good news to the Linux world. Even someone merely mentioning ditching Windows has an implication of adopting Linux instead.
But what if more and more posts implying this by only mentioning how bad Windows is? Is this a community for Windows circlejerk, or do we share informative stuff that’s directly related to Linux? How about we share more article about how great Linux is (or can be), instead of how bad the competitors are becoming?
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2025 15:16
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Agree on the Linux. You do not need the GNU though.
Chimera Linux is based in Spain. Maybe use that.
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jul 2025 05:00
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Actually, most of them already do have deals for a limited time. Skype is still available; they needed a new contract since teams does not work without communicating with Microsoft.
OTOH most things they do is via webclient.
If Microsoft was to release a mandatory update that has a single thing that required it to communicate with the organization, by law the whole governmental EU would not be able to use it.
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jul 2025 08:08
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It can’t fail, unless MS pulls a monopoly stunt or bribe politicians… There’s only a win, by ditching MS…
The German state of Bavaria once did something in the direction of moving away from MS. When Microsoft put their German headquarters into Munich the idea was scraped.
bufalo1973@europe.pub
on 11 Jul 2025 17:37
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The HQ in Munich and nice bag full of cash in the hand of someone.
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 08:27
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And at the same time we have the Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag in Germany (and with Germany as a strong force in the EU most likely everywhere in the EU soon) that will make all operating systems without fully integrated age restrictions illegal
heise.de/…/Minors-protection-State-leaders-mandat…
Manufacturers of operating systems must then
ensure that “only apps that correspond to the
age specification or that have been individually
and securely activated can be used”. The
installation of programs should only be possible
via distribution platforms such as app stores
that take the age rating into account and have
an automated rating system recognized by the
Commission for the Protection of Minors in the
Media (KJM).
This part of the law alone is impossible to implement on a open platform like Linux.
ramscoop@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 08:45
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Instrumenting a fascist society while pretending to protect children…
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 08:50
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aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jul 2025 09:07
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This part of the law alone is impossible to implement on a open platform like Linux.
What makes you think they won’t simply make it illegal to use linux?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 09:16
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To make something illegal by law it is needed to have a valid reason for that law to exist.
This is the case at least in every jurisdiction that has a somewhat functional separation of powers.
Due to this can’t just make it illegal to use Linux, but with a Law like the Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag it comes as a free bonus.
jim3692@discuss.online
on 11 Jul 2025 09:57
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Since it is impossible to implement on Linux, it may just be flagged as adult-only software.
But, there is still hope. What if Snaps and Flatpaks get properly flagged, allowing Ubuntu and/or Fedora to be legal?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 10:02
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Ok, but how to prevent programs installed as Appimage, by source compilation or just downloaded binaries from running? You need a way to prevent this methods of installation to be legal
jim3692@discuss.online
on 11 Jul 2025 10:15
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This also applies to Windows. What prevents a user from downloading a Firefox fork that does not properly implement age verification?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 21:48
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Microsoft already has the S-Mode in Windows 11 that only allows to execute apps that come from the Microsoft Store.
So it is already possible in Windows.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 12:29
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I mean it’s impossible on all computers.
Windows should ensure you can only use app-store and make it impossible to install an exe from online as example
MacOS even funnier. If I save a bash script I found online mac is supposed to refuse, unless I am using a vpn that is!
jim3692@discuss.online
on 11 Jul 2025 15:52
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I don’t think they will prohibit side loading. This will cause serious issues to developers, and other professionals.
Like, I cannot use the X tool from Github, just because the Y developer refuses to publish it in an organized store?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 13 Jul 2025 07:02
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The law doesn’t say that the option has to be active for everyone and all the time, but it has to be fully integrated into the OS so it can be activated fast and easy when children/teenagers want to use the PC.
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 12 Jul 2025 10:25
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Since it is impossible to implement on Linux, it
may just be flagged as adult-only software.
This would render Linux unfit for use in Schools, Public Libraries, Youth Centers and other places where Children and Teenagers have access to PCs.
It is, in addition to that, possible that internal regulation of government offices prohibit the use of adult software. Not sure about it, but it would IMHO fit the mindset of bureaucrats
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jul 2025 12:12
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these types of laws usually come from the most technically illiterate people ever
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 21:40
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Unfortunately yes!
LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world
on 12 Jul 2025 08:08
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Don’t tell me it is law already!
DarkMetatron@feddit.org
on 12 Jul 2025 09:57
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It is in ratification, and will (most likely) become binding law by 1st of December 2025 in Germany
LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world
on 12 Jul 2025 11:38
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😨
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 08:31
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Hopefully this helps increase adoption. Maybe in a few years GNU+Linux will have 10% of the desktop operating systems market. Maybe even Wine won’t be necessary anymore except for legacy software.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 09:13
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I think that if Linux is to be more widely adopted a more easily used distro needs to become mainstream. Let’s face it, the average computer user barely knows how to use Windows, just because you find Linux easy doesn’t mean they will.
Do you think you could teach Linux to your grandmother?
Saleh@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 2025 09:17
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Do you think you could teach Linux to your grandmother?
Yes. Set automatic package updates, Install firefox with ublock and put it on the taskbar, and bookmark Facebook and Youtube for her. It is the same thing as under Windows.
I would argue that for the most “tech illiterate” users the Linux experience can be made even easier than the windows experience, because you have to set up everything for them anyways.
squaresinger@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 13:22
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Completely “tech illiterate” broser-only users are fine. It gets difficult once they happen to actually want to do something.
I have an older relative in that boat, and she was doing fine until she wanted to install some VPN to access foreign Netflix libraries. That was more difficult. Especially because she already paid for the service and that service didn’t support her distro, thus there was no guide on how to use it.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jul 2025 09:40
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Both of my grandmothers are dead, but I did teach my aunt to use Linux. She had a laptop that “ran” Windows 10. It would take 30 seconds to open the Start menu. One SSD, one RAM upgrade and one install of Mint later it’s a whole new machine. She can Firefox and Mahjongg just fine.
fading_person@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 2025 18:09
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Teaching people without computing skills to use linux is actually easier than teaching windows. Most trouble people have with linux comes from being used to windows and having difficulty to adapt.
18107@aussie.zone
on 11 Jul 2025 19:07
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Do you think you could teach Linux to your grandmother?
My 50+ yo mother uses Linux Mint daily with fewer problems that when she used Windows. Her crowning achievement in IT is learning how to use email.
I helped my 93 yo friend switch from Windows 10 to Linux 2 years ago. He called me 3 times in the first 2 weeks to ask how to do something, but hasn’t had a single problem since that’s related to the OS.
Linux Mint, Bazzite, Fedora, and several other Linux distros are already easier to use than Windows. The only thing holding most people back is fear of change.
There are some people who have specific setups in Windows or a large number of “Windows only” apps, but these people are in the minority. The average person can’t even tell you which operating system they’re currently using, and wouldn’t notice the difference if you swapped the OS but kept the same web browser.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2025 04:14
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When I switched my mother, her only complaint was that the scroll bars were not as wide in Facebook.
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl
on 11 Jul 2025 20:54
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Actually, my mother knew how to use Debian before she could use Windows. Her first pc came with Windows XP, switched that for Debian as its been my main OS since 2000.
Yes, you can teach your grandmother to use Linux.
aim_at_me@lemmy.nz
on 12 Jul 2025 01:31
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My MIL is a grand mother and uses Linux Mint. She’s about as illiterate as you can get.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2025 04:11
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My mother, 80 years old, uses Linux Mint.
It is a myth that Windows is easier to use than Windows. It is just what you know and it came with your computer.
We already have those. Arguably Windows is much more of a hassle to use than your average “works out of the box” distro. And don’t start talking about the terminal, that’s comparing apples and organges. A more apt comparison to the need of using the terminal on Linux is the need to apply registry tweaks or use powershell on Windows. As if “average users” would need to do that. They install software via the “app store”, change settings via the GUI and run updates when prompted, all of which are seamless on most of these distros. If something breaks, they can’t fix it themselves, but then they just go to someone else to help them, just like on Windows, which they also can’t fix by themselves. Maybe they manage to reinstall, which isn’t any harder than on Windows, if not easier these days.
The group you’re actually talking about (and likely belong to) are the Windows power-users that would need to rethink things, and would be capable of rethinking things, if they wanted, which they don’t. I know some of these people myself, complaining all day about Microsoft and the privacy nightmare that they put in huge effort to mitigate, but sadly they absolutely need to rely on this one “critical” piece of freeware from the 2000s that they are sure won’t run on wine (not that they’ve tried) or a cracked copy of Photoshop they use for cropping and changing the brightness of desktop backgrounds, but it’s the industry leader, so they obviously won’t use “inferior” software for that, face the facts Linux users. They think package managers are much harder than downloading and clicking through Setup.exe for the 100th time in a row, and they’ve had this one bad experience with “rm -rf /” 10 years ago which is why they don’t “trust” the terminal, yet routinely double-click on downloaded .bat files without thought. 🤷
olafurp@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 12:42
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One alternative is that it only applies to companies that are listed as gatekeepers in the EU make it only hit megacorps
commander@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 2025 18:27
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Any bit of user base growth helps get the ball rolling for future MS/USA missteps. Linux has just been getting better and easier year after year. It’s been a 30 year marathon ready for another 30+ years of development
17lifers@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Jul 2025 23:47
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ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org
on 14 Jul 2025 23:49
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Win L. the next, superior edition of windows, if someone asks.
Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jul 2025 01:01
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I can’t wait until Lemmy’s Peertube integration is released ^[1]^. Then, iiuc, this comment section should be able to happen directly on The Linux Experiment’s videos within Lemmy.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jul 2025 10:18
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Oh yeah that would be great. I hope it’s really coming🤞
Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Jul 2025 06:06
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[…] I hope it’s really coming🤞
A change regarding Peertube federation with Lemmy certainly does appear to be coming in Lemmy 1.0 ^[1]^, but it’s currently unknown to me if it does actually fix the issue.
References
1. Type: Comment. Author: “Nutomic”. Publisher: [Type: Post. Title: “Better federation for Peertube content”. Author: “Kalcifer” (“K4LCIFER”). Publisher: [“GitHub”. “LemmyNet/lemmy”.]. Published: 2023-08-06T21:41:29.000Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3837.]. Published: 2025-03-27T08:28:52.000Z. Accessed: 2025-07-14T06:03Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3837#issuecommen….
- > #5509 fixes this, it will be released as part of Lemmy 1.0
- This is referring to code that was pushed to the repository that allegedly fixes the issue with Peertube federation.
Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml
on 12 Jul 2025 01:26
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I think we are looking in the wrong direction. China is the place to watch for an explosive growth of Linux and the exclusion of M$-Mossad. They have committed to replacing Windoze on all government computers and servers with KylinOS by 2026. This is not a city here and a city there, but the entire country. PC and Laptop makers will then offer units with openKylinOS. Not sure if phones will follow suit, or switch to Harmony Next.
LeFantome@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2025 04:01
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I will believe it when I see it for China. They will probably just keep pirating Windows.
India is at something like 15% Linux though and probably going up.
Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml
on 12 Jul 2025 07:48
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They try this every 5 years or so. Microsoft gives them some short term discounts and they come running back back.
I wouldn’t be so sure this time around.
The world is a big uncertainly and the force in Europe for digital sovereignty is something I never seen before.
The initiative to protect Europes boarders and data information is justified.
Did you see the NATO conference? The EU is grovelling for the US. If Microsoft tells them to jump they will say how high
Talk is cheap. They may say anything to buy time as they make deals between the EU, Canada, and Japan that exclude the US.
Have you considered that the EU might have lied to Trump?
Have you considered that the EU might have lied to you? reuters.com/…/us-defence-firms-chase-european-mil…
It’s different this time around.
The previous attempts were about freeing themselves from an abusive unprincipled data-hungry big data monopoly,
This attempt is about freeing themselves from an abusive unprincipled data-hungry big data monopoly operating in a fascist country and in cahoots with the regime.
I reckon it’s serious this time.
People are serious, I’ve never seen so many new users in the Linux groups I’m in
Life long windows user. I switched to Arch a few months ago and I’m not looking back. Will only be using windows in a sandboxed VM if absolutely necessary. Which, I haven’t needed to yet.
Fuck. That’s like going straight from English breakfast tea to hash oil.
I’ve been using Linux almost exclusively both in my personal and professional life for a decade and a half. I only installed Arch a month or two ago.
Installing Arch might be a hassle, I tried it once and couldn’t figure it out so a kept on using Ubuntu and its derivatives. But when I got a Steam Deck I found Steam OS to be easy and the Arch documentation to be thorough and useful.
Endeavour OS is really good
I mean, considering how many bluescreens Windows is giving these days, you’ll probably have a more stable experience in Arch lol.
That might not be so much down to how serious people are but rather just how good Linux has gotten lately (especially for games). Although I do think people are more serious now.
Speaking personally, it’s just as much about Windows getting worse as it is about Linux getting better.
In any complex system or “wicked problem” involving positive and negative feedback cycles, a combination of factors that push into the same direction can cause the system to flip over - sometimes in dramatic ways.
Linux Mint?
9 out of 10 dentists recommend it!
Endeavour OS
I’m putting my money on the EU becoming just as openly Fascistic as the US and sticking with Microsoft.
People are downvoting you, but they’re too scared to actually argue against it. I’m obviously hoping this isn’t the case, but you’d be sticking your head in the sand if you said there was no chance of it happening.
We’re already seeing a massive surge of the far right in Europe. Giant media blitzes on social media such as Twitter shoving far right content in their faces.
While the former seems to be the obvious trend and Europe has historically leaned towards it. I don’t see how one results in the other. Whether they stick with Microsoft or not is more economical than political.
The Fallout:London timeline was not on my bingo card, not gonna lie. We’re speedrunning Fallout politically here in the US, though.
Other countries like that and Europe deals with are: Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Russia and of course, China.
The digital dependence on the US is much like the energy dependence on Russia.
Europe is ditching Russian energy. They may ditch US tech.
I don’t know about the whole Europe but Spain is buying more energy from Russia than before the war and sanctions.
Don’t get me wrong, I hope that would be the case but Europe is also Corporativist.
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The European Union regulates the market so much it’s hard to call it capitalism, the biggest european companies are basically EU projects like Airbus (every government funds it) or too big too fail like Siemens and/or they would use: “strategic industry” and be done with it.
Edit oh and I almost forgot it, or they are like Inditex, basically not European it’s just an European getting rich while exploiting poor people all around the world, but I think this is actually capitalism and that guy isn’t exactly appreciated by ruling dictator, I mean party, in Spain.
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Is it more? I know Spain is still buying some LNG from Russia, but i would have thought the amount went down, not up.
murciatoday.com/spain_is_now_the_second_largest_i…
As they article points out it’s all maskerading by the fact that they heavily increased the import in 2023 and now is “reduced”
Thank you for the article. It brought up something quite interesting that i wasn’t aware off before:
looking a bit into it i found this article:
rbac.com/spains-role-as-a-natural-gas-importer-an…
So it seems that Spain is also taking the flak here for other EU countries that want to profit from Russian gas but not be directly associated with it.
The European Union hypocrisy is lovely, isn’t it?
Is there another link on that? The editor behind that page is a little… “undocumented” (there’s almost nothing about it).
Sure but they are in Spanish. Murcia today is for the local brit community.
www.elmundo.es/…/656a15ffe4d4d8dc568b45bc.html
The same stuff over 200% increase in 2023 so others can say we dont buy stuff to Russia we buy it to Spain (who bought it to Russia). This source even points out the liquid gas that arrived by boat from Russia wasn’t sanctioned.
As we say in Spain “hecha la ley, hecha la trampa”
larazon.es/…/espana-compra-mas-gas-ruso-que-ameri…
Says it decrease 25%, but it’s 25% from that almost 200% in 2023.
And now "La Sinrazón"🤦
You do know Marhuenda was the press chief of Rajoy, don’t you?
Attacking the source instead of disproving the article.
You have hands, you can sources of your favorite side of the political spectrum, or ask an LLM.
But here are morejust because it’s Saturday and I like the apple I am eating for breakfast and I am trying to make lemmy a better place than reddit: www.20minutos.es/…/espana-pais-ue-que-mas-gas-nat…
theobjective.com/…/espana-compra-gas-rusia-guerra…
www.20minutos.es/…/espana-disparo-compra-gas-rusi…
www.20minutos.es/…/espana-redujo-un-28-sus-import…
Bruselas confía en que Naturgy y Repsol rompan sus contratos de gas ruso en 2027: “Pueden invocar fuerza mayor”
La prohibición de gas ruso trae una gran guerra legal en la UE: indemnizaciones millonarias a Moscú por incumplir contratos
Bruselas defiende la legalidad del veto al gas ruso ante dudas de importadores como Naturgy y Repsol
It looks like the problem are the contracts. They could go faster breaking the contracts? Yes. But it’s Naturgy and Repsol, both private, not the government. Or are you suggesting that the government has to do a take over of the energy enterprises? 😉
First you doubt the claim. Then you attack the source, now you find excuses.
Did they or didn’t they increase almost 200% the acquisition of energy from Russia in 2023? Is the Russian Federation a major provider of gas and oil for Spain (and other European countries) or not?
If you notice I am here only to point the hypocrisy of Europe, which they undoubtedly are and Spain is no different.
I don’t know if you work for a company with business in Russia, I did when this whole thing started and contracts didn’t matter much when sanctions came but I guess we weren’t big enough to make excuses.
You gave your sources and I gave you mine. And sadly I’m not working.
About the hypocrisy of the Union and the Spanish government, I know both have a truckload of it. But to each its own. The main problem are Naturgy and Repsol. And yes, the Spanish government should grow some balls and tell them to stop at once. But there aren’t balls enough in this government to do the right thing.
God I hope so because I would love to move to Europe as a skilled developer.
[Some*] Europeans just can’t get over their Arab and Muslim-hate despite neither Qatar nor Saudi Arabia posing any threat to Europe and actually being good trading partners. No tariffs, no restrictions, no unfair competition. They adopt many European standards and are a huge market for European goods and services. Yet still the hate is constantly being peddled.
* hopefully a minority but the hate seems to be universal regardless of the political leaning.
Are they democracies? No. Do they respect human rights? Also no.
I don’t care as much about them as I care about pointing out the hypocrisy of my people. I have a thing against islam but that has nothing to do with this conversation.
You must have forgotten about why people were so mad at qatar in particular a while back. Remember how many workers died building the stadiums there for the world cup? If you’re american i can understand you weren’t aware of it since european football isn’t exactly popular in america, but it was a huge deal over here with people protesting.
Hell, I’m in Silicon Valley here in California, and some of my friends are also jumping off the proprietary ship because those large firms are willing to work hand in hand with federal agencies.
If you’ve read the NSA document disclosures by Edward Snowden, it’s apparent that there is an open door for data requests. The current administration isn’t a huge fan of California’s diversity, so we might as well minimize our chances of being targetted…
They didn’t just give them a discount, and it was only a very small part of Europe you are talking about. It was Munich, and MS also moved a lot of workplaces to the city, to bribe it…
Yeah, I remember reading headlines like this in Linux websites back in 2014…
Good F#$%^ riddance.
I am all for ditching Microsoft, but why should this post be in this community? There are also Android, Mac OS, and all kinds of BSD.
In the video, he talks about examples of European governments specifically switching to Linux, like a police station using an Ubuntu based distro, and foss software like LibreOffice. I don’t think android, Mac or BSD are mentioned.
Fair enough. I didn’t watch the video.
None of what you listed is a viable alternative for a myriad of reasons. Only GNU+Linux can replace Windows.
What’s wrong with going back to pen and (e-)paper for office? My point is, if you are going to post something in the community, the word “linux” shall at least be in the title.
Good title example: Europe is slowly ditching Microsoft for Linux
It’s nobody’s fucking business when someone ditching Microsoft, then adopt BSD, Solaris whatnot. What matters to this community is someone adopting or ditching Linux, or they do something remotely related to it.
Didn’t you see the “little” thumbnail that says “This could be huge for Linux”?
I don’t. This is how it looks like on my Voyager.
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Point is (again), it takes zero effort to cross post a video or article here. Windows is historically having a high market share ratio, and people are migrating to Linux nowadays. That’s good news to the Linux world. Even someone merely mentioning ditching Windows has an implication of adopting Linux instead.
But what if more and more posts implying this by only mentioning how bad Windows is? Is this a community for Windows circlejerk, or do we share informative stuff that’s directly related to Linux? How about we share more article about how great Linux is (or can be), instead of how bad the competitors are becoming?
Agree on the Linux. You do not need the GNU though.
Chimera Linux is based in Spain. Maybe use that.
Actually, most of them already do have deals for a limited time. Skype is still available; they needed a new contract since teams does not work without communicating with Microsoft.
OTOH most things they do is via webclient.
If Microsoft was to release a mandatory update that has a single thing that required it to communicate with the organization, by law the whole governmental EU would not be able to use it.
It can’t fail, unless MS pulls a monopoly stunt or bribe politicians… There’s only a win, by ditching MS…
The German state of Bavaria once did something in the direction of moving away from MS. When Microsoft put their German headquarters into Munich the idea was scraped.
The HQ in Munich and nice bag full of cash in the hand of someone.
And at the same time we have the Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag in Germany (and with Germany as a strong force in the EU most likely everywhere in the EU soon) that will make all operating systems without fully integrated age restrictions illegal heise.de/…/Minors-protection-State-leaders-mandat…
This part of the law alone is impossible to implement on a open platform like Linux.
Instrumenting a fascist society while pretending to protect children…
Yeah, as it is so often
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What makes you think they won’t simply make it illegal to use linux?
To make something illegal by law it is needed to have a valid reason for that law to exist. This is the case at least in every jurisdiction that has a somewhat functional separation of powers.
Due to this can’t just make it illegal to use Linux, but with a Law like the Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag it comes as a free bonus.
Since it is impossible to implement on Linux, it may just be flagged as adult-only software.
But, there is still hope. What if Snaps and Flatpaks get properly flagged, allowing Ubuntu and/or Fedora to be legal?
Ok, but how to prevent programs installed as Appimage, by source compilation or just downloaded binaries from running? You need a way to prevent this methods of installation to be legal
This also applies to Windows. What prevents a user from downloading a Firefox fork that does not properly implement age verification?
Microsoft already has the S-Mode in Windows 11 that only allows to execute apps that come from the Microsoft Store. So it is already possible in Windows.
I mean it’s impossible on all computers.
Windows should ensure you can only use app-store and make it impossible to install an exe from online as example
MacOS even funnier. If I save a bash script I found online mac is supposed to refuse, unless I am using a vpn that is!
I don’t think they will prohibit side loading. This will cause serious issues to developers, and other professionals.
Like, I cannot use the X tool from Github, just because the Y developer refuses to publish it in an organized store?
The law doesn’t say that the option has to be active for everyone and all the time, but it has to be fully integrated into the OS so it can be activated fast and easy when children/teenagers want to use the PC.
This would render Linux unfit for use in Schools, Public Libraries, Youth Centers and other places where Children and Teenagers have access to PCs.
It is, in addition to that, possible that internal regulation of government offices prohibit the use of adult software. Not sure about it, but it would IMHO fit the mindset of bureaucrats
these types of laws usually come from the most technically illiterate people ever
Unfortunately yes!
Don’t tell me it is law already!
It is in ratification, and will (most likely) become binding law by 1st of December 2025 in Germany
German link: …rlp.de/…/reform-des-jugendmedienschutz-staatsver…
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Hopefully this helps increase adoption. Maybe in a few years GNU+Linux will have 10% of the desktop operating systems market. Maybe even Wine won’t be necessary anymore except for legacy software.
I think that if Linux is to be more widely adopted a more easily used distro needs to become mainstream. Let’s face it, the average computer user barely knows how to use Windows, just because you find Linux easy doesn’t mean they will.
Do you think you could teach Linux to your grandmother?
Yes. Set automatic package updates, Install firefox with ublock and put it on the taskbar, and bookmark Facebook and Youtube for her. It is the same thing as under Windows.
I would argue that for the most “tech illiterate” users the Linux experience can be made even easier than the windows experience, because you have to set up everything for them anyways.
Completely “tech illiterate” broser-only users are fine. It gets difficult once they happen to actually want to do something.
I have an older relative in that boat, and she was doing fine until she wanted to install some VPN to access foreign Netflix libraries. That was more difficult. Especially because she already paid for the service and that service didn’t support her distro, thus there was no guide on how to use it.
Both of my grandmothers are dead, but I did teach my aunt to use Linux. She had a laptop that “ran” Windows 10. It would take 30 seconds to open the Start menu. One SSD, one RAM upgrade and one install of Mint later it’s a whole new machine. She can Firefox and Mahjongg just fine.
Teaching people without computing skills to use linux is actually easier than teaching windows. Most trouble people have with linux comes from being used to windows and having difficulty to adapt.
My 50+ yo mother uses Linux Mint daily with fewer problems that when she used Windows. Her crowning achievement in IT is learning how to use email.
I helped my 93 yo friend switch from Windows 10 to Linux 2 years ago. He called me 3 times in the first 2 weeks to ask how to do something, but hasn’t had a single problem since that’s related to the OS.
Linux Mint, Bazzite, Fedora, and several other Linux distros are already easier to use than Windows. The only thing holding most people back is fear of change.
There are some people who have specific setups in Windows or a large number of “Windows only” apps, but these people are in the minority. The average person can’t even tell you which operating system they’re currently using, and wouldn’t notice the difference if you swapped the OS but kept the same web browser.
When I switched my mother, her only complaint was that the scroll bars were not as wide in Facebook.
Actually, my mother knew how to use Debian before she could use Windows. Her first pc came with Windows XP, switched that for Debian as its been my main OS since 2000.
Yes, you can teach your grandmother to use Linux.
My MIL is a grand mother and uses Linux Mint. She’s about as illiterate as you can get.
My mother, 80 years old, uses Linux Mint.
It is a myth that Windows is easier to use than Windows. It is just what you know and it came with your computer.
We already have those. Arguably Windows is much more of a hassle to use than your average “works out of the box” distro. And don’t start talking about the terminal, that’s comparing apples and organges. A more apt comparison to the need of using the terminal on Linux is the need to apply registry tweaks or use powershell on Windows. As if “average users” would need to do that. They install software via the “app store”, change settings via the GUI and run updates when prompted, all of which are seamless on most of these distros. If something breaks, they can’t fix it themselves, but then they just go to someone else to help them, just like on Windows, which they also can’t fix by themselves. Maybe they manage to reinstall, which isn’t any harder than on Windows, if not easier these days.
The group you’re actually talking about (and likely belong to) are the Windows power-users that would need to rethink things, and would be capable of rethinking things, if they wanted, which they don’t. I know some of these people myself, complaining all day about Microsoft and the privacy nightmare that they put in huge effort to mitigate, but sadly they absolutely need to rely on this one “critical” piece of freeware from the 2000s that they are sure won’t run on wine (not that they’ve tried) or a cracked copy of Photoshop they use for cropping and changing the brightness of desktop backgrounds, but it’s the industry leader, so they obviously won’t use “inferior” software for that, face the facts Linux users. They think package managers are much harder than downloading and clicking through Setup.exe for the 100th time in a row, and they’ve had this one bad experience with “rm -rf /” 10 years ago which is why they don’t “trust” the terminal, yet routinely double-click on downloaded .bat files without thought. 🤷
One alternative is that it only applies to companies that are listed as gatekeepers in the EU make it only hit megacorps
Any bit of user base growth helps get the ball rolling for future MS/USA missteps. Linux has just been getting better and easier year after year. It’s been a 30 year marathon ready for another 30+ years of development
every user converted to linux is a win
Win10 or Win11? :p
Win L. the next, superior edition of windows, if someone asks.
I can’t wait until Lemmy’s Peertube integration is released ^[1]^. Then, iiuc, this comment section should be able to happen directly on The Linux Experiment’s videos within Lemmy.
References
1. Type: Comment. Author: “Nutomic”. Publisher: [Type: Post. Title: “Better federation for Peertube content”. Author: “Kalcifer” (“K4LCIFER”). Publisher: [“GitHub”. “LemmyNet/lemmy”.]. Published: 2023-08-06T21:41:29.000Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3837.]. Published: 2025-03-27T08:28:52.000Z. Accessed: 2025-07-11T00:59Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3837#issuecommen….
Oh yeah that would be great. I hope it’s really coming🤞
A change regarding Peertube federation with Lemmy certainly does appear to be coming in Lemmy 1.0 ^[1]^, but it’s currently unknown to me if it does actually fix the issue.
References
1. Type: Comment. Author: “Nutomic”. Publisher: [Type: Post. Title: “Better federation for Peertube content”. Author: “Kalcifer” (“K4LCIFER”). Publisher: [“GitHub”. “LemmyNet/lemmy”.]. Published: 2023-08-06T21:41:29.000Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3837.]. Published: 2025-03-27T08:28:52.000Z. Accessed: 2025-07-14T06:03Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3837#issuecommen…. - > #5509 fixes this, it will be released as part of Lemmy 1.0 - This is referring to code that was pushed to the repository that allegedly fixes the issue with Peertube federation.
I think we are looking in the wrong direction. China is the place to watch for an explosive growth of Linux and the exclusion of M$-Mossad. They have committed to replacing Windoze on all government computers and servers with KylinOS by 2026. This is not a city here and a city there, but the entire country. PC and Laptop makers will then offer units with openKylinOS. Not sure if phones will follow suit, or switch to Harmony Next.
I will believe it when I see it for China. They will probably just keep pirating Windows.
India is at something like 15% Linux though and probably going up.
The government is closing in on replacing all government PCs. techhq.com/…/open-source-china-linux-kylin-kernel…