New ATHEIST community. (lemmy.zip)
from WiDGxT@lemmy.zip to newcommunities@lemmy.world on 29 Jun 16:52
https://lemmy.zip/post/42743763

#Lemmy has a new (and only) #Atheist #community #Atheism #SocialMedia

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gressen@lemmy.zip on 29 Jun 17:17 next collapse

It’s VERY new since it has no posts at all.

themeatbridge@lemmy.world on 29 Jun 17:31 next collapse

Yeah, enjoy it now before the atheists destroy it with their atheism.

edgemaster72@lemmy.world on 29 Jun 20:12 next collapse

Damn atheists! They ruined atheism!

themeatbridge@lemmy.world on 29 Jun 20:19 collapse

Sure are a contentious bunch.

kungen@feddit.nu on 29 Jun 20:47 collapse

You mean with their antitheism?

themeatbridge@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 01:22 collapse

Isn’t that like negative zero?

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on 29 Jun 17:49 collapse

Ideally an empty atheist group is the platonic ideal. Nothing about nothing. No arguments. No exclusion. No evangelicals. No conversion attempts.

protist@mander.xyz on 29 Jun 18:10 next collapse

(and only)

There seem to be quite a few already

CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org on 29 Jun 18:15 next collapse

And honestly, most of Lemmy is already pretty close, haha.

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Jun 19:18 next collapse

Just one more community Bro! I swear that will fix it

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 30 Jun 21:55 collapse

Ours is the only True God Atheism!

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 02:33 next collapse

As an atheist I never got the point of evangelizing atheism. Isn’t that half the problem with religions?

drmoose@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 02:48 next collapse

I do find it a bit distasteful sometimes but I’d disagree with you here. It’s a support group and the only way to wake up society to absurd flaws of religion is through community conciousness.

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 30 Jun 10:39 next collapse

True. I never got the point of it.

But I’m atheist/agnostic in a place where nearly everyone else is. I guess it feels a bit different when you live somewhere where literally everyone else is religious.

drmoose@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 11:22 collapse

Exactly. It’s clearly net positive for our society even if it can be cringe just by the sheer scale of religious oppression in the world.

If atheism forum ate a baby every day it would still be a net positive because people on Lemmy forgot that religious freedom and freedom to be an atheist is not viable in big chunk of the world.

Thats why so many atheist converts become such zealots. Imagine growing up in what essentially is spiritual North Korea and discovering freedom for the first time. That’s where many of these cringe atheist memes come from.

roofuskit@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 10:44 collapse

In my experience most of these online groups are just memes and stories about being superior to religious people. I had to bail on them because it was gross.

drmoose@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 11:18 next collapse

You’re saying that from a privilege of living where atheism is acceptable. For many its not and its a powerful tool for resisting religion.

the_crotch@sh.itjust.works on 30 Jun 12:48 collapse

The atheism subreddit in particular is more toxic than any religious people I’ve encountered on the internet. I identify as discordian now specifically to distance myself from that kind of atheist.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 11:31 next collapse

When a person believes in a religion, they have trained their brains to ignore part of reality. Once you’ve trained your brain to do that, manipulative people can more easily abuse your brain into thinking other incorrect things.

And that’s how you get MAGA

So the purpose is less about evangelizing atheism, and more about fixing other people’s brains for the betterment of society.

the_crotch@sh.itjust.works on 30 Jun 12:41 next collapse

Every religion thinks they’re “fixing” people by evangelizing

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 20:02 collapse

Maybe. But the scientific method and logic are provably functional. You see a thing, you replicate the thing, you can then do more things.

So it’s not a huge stretch to say that getting people to follow those methods is an improvement.

the_crotch@sh.itjust.works on 30 Jun 20:48 next collapse

That really depends on how they follow them. For example, eugenics is scientifically sound. It’s morally depraved in practice, but the scientific method doesn’t account for ethics.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 21:38 collapse

Is it though? Time and again it’s been shown that having a very wide basic genetic options is the healthiest for a species. Evolution favors adaptability.

Now if you’re talking about weeding out and genetic issues, diseases, and known problems, yes. We do that today.

the_crotch@sh.itjust.works on 30 Jun 22:18 collapse

Now if you’re talking about weeding out and genetic issues, diseases, and known problems, yes. We do that today.

Through gene therapy, yes. Eugenics implies selective breeding. It clearly works, look at any domestic animal. It’s an ethical nightmare though.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 23:51 collapse

I’m looking at a pug right now. Uhhhhh…

It works if you know the traits you’re trying to optimize for and don’t care about the mistakes. We don’t know that for humans, and we do care.

I think you’re mistaking science for psychopathy. Proper science would recognize that humans are social creatures and therefore our actions have impact across society, and we need to take that into account.

Also, try and breed two very smart people. You rarely get a stable smarter person.

blarghly@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 00:25 collapse

No one uses the scientific method in their day to day lives. This includes all scientists, and atheists. The rationalists tried this, and their conclusion was

(1) Psychological research shows that using heuristics is what we do 90% of the time. This is an evolutionary preference that is more or less baked in, as rational though requires much more time and energy.

(2) Using rational thought for day to day tasks or important life decisions is indistinguishable from the control - ie, giving a shit and trying.

(3) Even people dedicated to seeking truth as fully as possible are highly susceptible to cognitive biases. Eg, the placebo effect still works even when you know about the placebo effect and know you are taking a placebo.

(4) When people don’t take a moral stance to seek truth at the expense of their deepest beliefs, they tend to use rationality to reinforce their existing beliefs.

(5) Research shows that you change people’s minds by being friendly and supportive and showing that your worldview and lifestyle lead to good outcomes. Logical refutation of people’s beliefs tends to just make them dig their heels in more. This is why missionaries dig wells in impoverished nations.

(6) Communal/tribal ties are far stronger than logic. If everyone you know and identify with believes something, you will almost certainly also believe that thing, even if presented with clear evidence to the contrary.

(7) Religious people are perfectly capable of being intelligent and rational. There are many highly successful religious people, including in engineering and hard sciences. In fact, being religious seems to have numerous practical benefits in multiple aspects of life, from having a community to being more successful in your career to having a general sense of well being.

(8) Trying to form an identity around feelings of persecution for your not-religion was pretty cringy and we all regret it.

blarghly@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 00:03 collapse

I mean, scientific materialism also denies a large part of reality. Or at least I knew that really, really well the last time I did mushrooms

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 22:53 collapse

we live in a society that denigrates atheism because it’s a threat to their dogma driven belief systems.

advocating for logic over proselytism isn’t evangelizing, grow up. you sound like Kirk Cameron lol

blarghly@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 00:02 collapse

Idk, I haven’t been denigrated in a hot second.

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 00:08 collapse

because they know you’re into it, mate.

blarghly@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 00:33 collapse

Call me a godless heathen again, sir! I neeeeeed it!!!

ksigley@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 00:55 next collapse

Denigrate me, daddy.

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world on 01 Jul 04:04 collapse

you unreconstructed whelp of a whore!

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on 30 Jun 04:34 collapse

I’m number one!

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