FediverseSlander, a pointless drama comm for kvetching about when there are blatant lies told about other users on the Fediverse. Come with receipts or not at all!
from PugJesus@piefed.social to newcommunities@lemmy.world on 24 Jul 13:06
https://piefed.social/post/1071715

!FediverseSlander@Lemmy.world is a pointless drama comm for when you really need to vent about a user on the Fediverse spreading blatant and, most importantly, disprovable lies about another user. The lies being disputed can be about you, or they can be about someone else - just come with receipts of some sort both for the claimed lies, and to prove that what was said was a lie!

For when the salt in your life overfloweth, and you need to dispute some bullshit!

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Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jul 13:15 next collapse

Kind of a meta comment, but I see you tagged the people in the post bodies, are we sure those pings work (as we know they don’t on Lemmy)?

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 13:18 collapse

If they don't, they don't. It's whatever in the end, at least from my pov. The point of the comm is primarily for venting and establishing the truth of a matter.

Informing the slanderers in question would be a nice option to have for those of us who want it, but not really core to the idea of the comm.

Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jul 13:18 next collapse

I’ll ping them just to be sure

FelixCress@lemmy.world on 25 Jul 17:22 collapse

The point of the comm is primarily for venting and establishing the truth of a matter

You are having a laugh.

rglullis@communick.news on 24 Jul 14:04 next collapse

Oh no, there are idiots in the internet! Let’s engage and let them live rent-free in our heads!

FYI, I don’t think we are supposed to sympathize with xkcd.com/386

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 24 Jul 15:16 next collapse

What? You mean I’ve been doing this internet thing wrong this whole time?

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 15:49 collapse

I mean, I thought the whole point of the comic was that it's an extremely common urge, just expressed in a stark way that highlights that we, as human beings, are silly animals with space-age technology.

At the same time, this comm isn't so much for people being wrong on the internet - you could say that most comms with any amount of controversy center around people quarreling over others being wrong on the internet. This is, specifically, for recording and disproving people slandering other users. "John believes in Flat Earth Theory" doesn't belong here unless John provably doesn't believe in Flat Earth Theory - in which case it's probably not the accuser bringing the issue, but the falsely accused, who then has something to easily and publicly refer to to dispute the slander going forward.

rglullis@communick.news on 24 Jul 16:08 collapse

But we are animals who can recognize and control whatever urges we have. We don’t need to act on them. It might feel cathartic to be able to compile some huge list of BS made-up by a troll, but more likely than not the troll simply will not care. At best it’s your time and energy being wasted with someone that does not deserve it, at worst is just a place that will amplify the toxicity that is already too prevalent here.

Anyway, I was never a fan of drama communities and I really wish we toned down on the Fediverse “meta-discussion”. For an outsider, this type of community seems like an excellent source of material to justify why the Fediverse is not a friendly place.

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 16:29 next collapse

That's valid, both in the criticism of the behavior and of drama comms more generally. I'd argue that the catharsis is a large part of the motivation here though, with a secondary effect of having an easier tool to refute recurring rumors from dedicated trolls which can, nonetheless, become 'common knowledge' - and who the fuck wants to write out a screed every time to contest it when they see it just so they don't get, by repetition and convincingly phrased lies, a reputation as a dog-fucker or something like that? Better to do it once and have it to easily refer to.

As someone who is deeply combative, and, for that matter, abrasive enough that I've made a few people hate my guts to the point of throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, I've waded into enough comment sections to dispute being called utter bullshit to find it tedious. I find the idea of a centralized comm mandating verification for disproving claims to be a somewhat comforting idea in comparison to games of drama whack-a-mole between conflicting personalities. That the comm mandates 'receipts' and specific, rather than general, claims also reduces the bullshit quotient that drives ugliness in many drama comms. It's not here to tell a story, but to point out that a specific claim is provably false and bad faith.

I would also argue that with the Fediverse still being as small as it is, unlike in something the size of, say, Reddit, there's a much greater element similar to old-style forums in that personalities are, for both better and worse, capable of becoming well-known fixtures either by their own behavior (even when they have nothing particularly exceptional to offer except participation in the community) or by games of internet telephone. A lack of drama communities, in this case, would not mean a lack of drama, but a lack of verification - unlike in larger milieus, like Reddit, where drama communities are the primary vehicle for reputations, good and bad, in smaller milieus, drama communities are more repositories for the accumulation of extant and active drama.

But again, I also don't entirely disagree with your criticisms. As I said, I find the routine tedious - that this is meant to minimize the whole song-and-dance is appealing to me, but the objectively less-tedious (if not necessarily less gossip-suppressing) option would be to simply not-engage. Many of us, however, find not-engaging to be as irritating or more irritating than engaging - which while a personal flaw, is also not exactly something that can be waved away. And drama communities can absolutely (and are uniquely inclined to) devolve into very ugly things by the nature of everyone playing "gawk and take sides", especially if a circlejerk mentality begins to emerge in them. I suppose all I can say there is that if things get bad and I'm cognizant of the fact, I'm not averse to axing the comm myself.

JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social on 25 Jul 22:11 collapse

But we are animals who can recognize and control whatever urges we have.

--> insert bark-like, high-pitched PeeWee Herman laugh! <--

Anyway, I think I lean in your general direction on this, but I'm open to the idea that it might help someone, somewhere. At least, I don't think I've ever heard of this type of /c before.

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 24 Jul 15:18 next collapse

I feel like most slander is constructed in a way that makes it very hard to disprove. Which could mean this will just turn into pointless bickering.

However, I do hate the witch hunting that happens on here sometimes so I’ll check it out at least.

missingno@fedia.io on 24 Jul 15:39 next collapse

Having a dedicated community for starting fights really doesn't sound like a good thing.

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 15:46 next collapse

Isn't the fight started with the slander, not with its rebuttal?

missingno@fedia.io on 24 Jul 21:04 collapse

No matter how you wanna put it, making an entire community dedicated to escalating isn't really any better.

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jul 20:02 collapse

It’s terminally online behavior.

Edit: lol it got banned by the instance admin so he made a new one .world

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 20:33 collapse

Unlike, of course, seven months' worth of impassioned ranting and lying about a commenter who rarely even interacts with you

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eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jul 20:37 collapse

Terminally online behavior.

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 20:39 collapse

Terminally online behavior.

Uh, yes, that's why I pointed it out?

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jul 20:42 collapse

Terminally online behavior.

mark@programming.dev on 24 Jul 16:59 next collapse

Isn’t there already a comm called Drama? I’d just check it out to be nosy tbh

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 17:20 collapse

There's a Fediverse drama sub, but it's about recording rather than disproving drama, and doesn't allow drama to be posted by anyone involved in the drama.

This is more about disproving false claims that come about in the process of Fediverse drama, and allows people to bring up their own cases, so long as they come with evidence that the claim is false, and not just counter-accusations or unsupported denials.

FelixCress@lemmy.world on 24 Jul 20:29 collapse

You mean you are not controlling existing sub which is why you prefer to start a new one?

PugJesus@piefed.social on 24 Jul 20:33 collapse

Any drama must be posted as an observer, you cannot post drama that you are involved with.

When posting screenshots of drama, you must obscure the identity of all the participants.

Both of the top rules of the Fediverse drama sub are kind of antithetical to the point of FediverseSlander.

[deleted] on 24 Jul 20:35 next collapse

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FelixCress@lemmy.world on 25 Jul 17:05 collapse

And now you have removed post about people you slandered? You are bigger coward than I thought.

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 25 Jul 21:21 collapse

Only Pug is allowed to slander, but documenting his behavior is removed.

Angry_Autist@lemmy.world on 25 Jul 22:23 collapse

wow the redditing of lemmy is going hard today…