!football@sopuli.xyz , for football fans (the one where you touch ball with your foot)
from Blaze@lemmy.zip to newcommunities@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 12:57
https://lemmy.zip/post/49612954
from Blaze@lemmy.zip to newcommunities@lemmy.world on 26 Sep 12:57
https://lemmy.zip/post/49612954
!football@sopuli.xyz
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So not handegg?
I’m afraid not
Yay! … oh. Aww.
Is there any other kind? :)
Hands, tongue, boobs… Oh wait, wrong balls
Rugby involves foot touching the ball. Sometimes.
If you called it soccer instead you wouldn’t have to clarify
Nobody calls in soccer in Europe, football perfectly represents what the game is ab
But you could, and it would certainly be less confusing than insisting on using the overloaded term “football.” Soccer is a grand old European term.
And !politics@lemmy.world should be for world politics rather than only “US politics”
I feel like you think that’s some kind of crazy own, but manifestly yes, that is correct. I don’t chat politics much, so that one doesn’t bother me as much, but I do talk a lot of soccer…
There is football and there is american football. Nothing confusing about it.
I have talked about the Sounders when I was supposed to be talking Seahawks and vice versa more times than I can count, so I’m not sure where you’re getting this “it’s not confusing” business from. The announcement of the community has to include a disclaimer so people don’t get confused. It’s very confusing and I see it confuse people constantly.
If you called gridiron gridiron instead of football no one would have to clarify either.
There’s about 3.1 billion¹ more fans of football (or football association) than of gridiron (or gridiron football, or American football, or handegg), so it’s evident to everyone except Americans which one is the default.
(Not to mention one is an entertaining sport while the other is an ad delivery system built around watching people whose only allowed path to education is to enslave themselves to corporations suffer permanent brain injuries).
1.— Using the American puny billion here (a thousand million) instead of the proper one (a million million) because like so many other harmful or inferior stuff you Americans have managed to force it into an international standard and would complain I was being confusing if I used the proper word.
TIL the name gridiron
Great! Let’s just use “football” as an umbrella term for all games played on foot, like soccer, rugby, and gridiron. I’ll call “American football” gridiron and you’ll call “European football” soccer and no-one will be confused.
Also you don’t have to lecture me about how many soccer fans there are; I absolutely guarantee you I’ve attended more soccer matches than you have.
There goes baseball, handball, volleyball, and pretty much every other game involving balls that isn’t played in wheelchairs.
I feel like you’re starting to understand why saying soccer should be called football, a term denoting a game played on foot as opposed to on horseback, is needlessly confusing and underspecified, whereas soccer, which is very specific and unambiguous, is the much superior term.
‘football’ as a name has been around for centuries with no confusion, until American exceptionalism led to them inventing their own version of the game. The only confusion today is coming from the US. Your proposed change however, is the equivalent of this:
<img alt="" src="https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png">
It would not do anything except make the situation even more complicated.
How certain are you about that? Looks to me like the term football is about 150 years old, and when it was introduced, gridiron and soccer were still the same sport: books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=football&ye…
And I’m not proposing a new standard, I’m continuing use of a standard introduced by working class Brits in the early 20th century, so that xkcd really doesn’t apply at all.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)
It’s been around for almost a millennia.
It means something specific TODAY. You’re suggesting to have it mean something new and different. It doesn’t matter if that meaning was used a century ago, that’s not what the comic is referencing.
If football refers to a single, specific, concrete sport, why do we use it to refer to Canadian rules football AND Gaelic rules football AND American football AND association football?
‘we’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, considering that’s like 5% of the world population that would refer to it that way.
Maybe in terms of active vocabulary, but in terms of passive vocabulary ~100% of English speakers will recognize the ambiguity
Everybody outside of said countries will consider ‘football’ to refer to, well, football, without any ambiguity. They may be aware Americans are idiots about it but it’s not something that comes up in daily conversation.
Right. You want to use the word football exclusively to refer to soccer because your goal is to be exclusionary. You don’t want those stupid Americans to talk about your favorite sport. But I really want to talk about soccer with y’all a lot, and it’s really frustrating that you are willing to discard this rich history and culture associated with the word soccer in favor of the word that British aristocrats used to distinguish themselves from working class soccer fans, and I find it very sad what you’re willing to sacrifice just to keep me out of the conversation.
No, our goal is to use our already understood terms the way we understand them.
They’re welcome to. I don’t watch ANY sports. The closest I get to it is arguing with online trolls.
Sure, go ahead. Nobody’s stopping you.
Go read the link I posted about the etymology of the word football. Why are you discarding that rich history and culture?
You have a highly inflated opinion of yourself if you think the English speaking world made language choices with you in mind.
Oh, I guess ha ha you really owned me by pretending to care about sports so you can clown on me about etymology or whatever. I’m just super upset that I got to talk about my favorite sport in the context of its entrance into the English language and its place in 19th century British class structure on the internet.
I didn’t claim to like football. I do however actually like etymology.
Hey,
Small advice: don’t feed the troll
Oh well. He didn’t really have a leg to stand on, so I was just taking some cheap shots at the Americans ☺️
And hey, it keeps your announcement post up in the active feed!
That person also qualified a 20 years old player as a “child” piefed.zip/post/511068
Yeah, that’s the pro I guess!