Bringing the cancer of the MODERN WEB (TM) to one of the last bastions of the old web (aka the real web!). How Kafkaesque.
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from ChubakPDP11@programming.dev to programming@programming.dev on 20 Apr 23:48
https://programming.dev/post/13043413
from ChubakPDP11@programming.dev to programming@programming.dev on 20 Apr 23:48
https://programming.dev/post/13043413
This girl acts like Wikipedia owners don’t realize this shit. It’s about principles. Modern web is simply cancer that is eating out the planet from the inside, one TCP segment at a time (although with HTTP3 and QUIC we gotta call it a datagram!).
I realize this is just a fun video, but I got super triggered because I am dead tired of ‘Silicon Valley Mindset’ and this girl embodies it to the extreme.
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She also claims that the app has a better design than the desktop website so I’m not really convinced they’re even a good designer if this isn’t just tongue in cheek. It’s too crazy not to be satire.
The app does look better.
Speaking as someone who has some experience with graphic design, I agree. She doesn’t seem to have any knowledge of accessibility features and her criticisms are mostly unrelated to how the eye follows information or how attention is drawn. They seem to be following a naive aesthetic doctrine instead of design principles.
Saying Wikipedia is a bastion of the old web is funny.
Wikipedia has cancer. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…/Wikipedia_has_Cancer
they're talking about the principles of free knowledge and the commons without goals of money
They haven’t had a single year with net loss. That’s an impressive track record compared to most other tech companies.
That’s absolutely not the point about the article I just sent.
The point about the article is that WMF’s spendings are somehow unsustainable. I don’t think that’s necessarily the case.
The article points out:
Maybe why you didn’t notice anything is exactly because they made these spendings to ensure no major hiccups? I’m confident OG Wikipedia code wouldn’t be able to support their internet hosting needs today. Maybe their infrastructure costs would be 100x of today’s if they hadn’t spent the R&D on optimizations?
Sure, their spending is likely not 100% optimal. But given how Wikipedia is still one of the most visited sites and is still financially healthy through multiple financial crises (without diverting from their core business model), I wouldn’t worry too much about their spendings.
The point of the article is that the costs increased non linearly with the number of user, the cost just keep increasing.
A few line before what you quoted: The point is taken into account, the traffic did x12 and the costs of server x33, and the author call it
So the traffic did x12, but the spending on staff did x1250.
Did you skipped this whole part on purpose or you didn’t read the article completly and jumped to there ?
You started to say “yes but they didn’t had a single year in a net loss”, the point of the article I sent is that wikipedia is spending too much money because they have too much money.
The design and semantic search are great. The rest is eww.
Yeah I got pretty triggered from this video too, but the other redesign she made kinda go against the money grabbing/attention grabber that most products nowadays have.
I like some ideas of her design but the subscription thing for wikipedia is a big fuck off.
Yeah idk what went into her in this video. It only seems to be half a joke, which is terrible. The rest of her content is amazing so I’m quite confused
I was so confused when they removed the sidebar and put it into icons.
Yes, replace the space on the right that is being used right now with… nothing. And let’s take away horizontal space instead and make you remember what the icons mean… Why?
I think they they reduced the content width in order to improve readability and it is possible to press a button to expand the content to use the full width of the available space. I just am a bit annoyed that the languages are hidden behind in a popup menu now, because a certain browser I have to use is unable to open that menu (but that’s more of the browser’s fault for not being fully conformant with the web standards (which to be honest I don’t see having the degree of simplicity/complexity that allows someone to easily write a web engine that’s fully conformant))
you can make drop-downs in pure css btw, no need for js
But that’s what I meant, you can reduce the main content width to increase readability, but the secondary content like languages would still be fine to fill the now empty space.
Programming?
But regardless, IMO, I’d rather have useful “pro” features than get that nagging banner up there. However, this does open a certain door I’m uncomfortable opening. If the owners of wikipedia suddenly wanted to cash in on the popularity of the site and act like a mega corps, they obviously could. But it is true that wikipedia’s services aren’t free, so complaining about them trying to keep it alive is entitled.
Maybe the middle ground is to take all that this person did, create another website, and donate proceedings from “pro” users to wikipedia. For every subscriber, donate at least 2€ or a user-defined amount to wikipedia. That way wikipedia stays the way it is and another website tries out this monetisation idea.
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Great take as always. May I suggest we be the change we want to see and host our own federated wiki? One of the great dev of lemmy has recently made one and a short search shows there are a lot of possibilites. At least thats my opinion atm. I think wiki.js is also working on federation iirc.
Thanks 🙏 People who do have the time, will and skill, could (should?) be the change they want to see.
The idea of a federated wiki does sound exciting and indeed could allow for a “pro wiki” instance. Hopefully somebody with the aforementioned qualities finds an interest in federated wikis. On my end only time is lacking. For now, it’ll end up on my (huge) list of ideas that I’m trying to work off.
Have a good one
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That’s what they are doing with Fandom (formerly Wikia). Right?
That’s just a wiki on a specific topic. IINM that doesn’t contribute to wikipedia, nor to proceeds (nor in part or in full) go to wikipedia.
Not sure how they actually make money since I can’t find “pro” options.
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I don’t know what “Figma” is but it sounds stupid.
Figma balls
That’s what’s called a fig newton.
It’s like Ligma but different
It’s a great tool for interface design and visualization.
It’s currently the best tool for doing UX/design work.
This seems to be posted on this forum with that title solely for rage-bait.
She clearly just-for-fun redesigned Wikipedia as if a modern company got a hold of it. Yes of course this would drive people in this forum up a wall, but that’s just not the point. This is also not about programming at all?
Don’t go around looking for content of other creators just to take it out of context and then bash it.
This is like you watched “we made marvel r-rated” from corridor digital (www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=k5-3eujJyZE) and then post about it, being pissed how they destroyed a superhero fantasy aimed at a wide audience and children and how noone would ever want something like that.
Calling her a bad designer just because you disagree with her design decisions is just mean. This entire post just makes it seem like you are specifically looking for things to hate…
Damn I hated watching that, fuck pro and all this other monetization shit my god