hector@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Sep 2024 10:46
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EDIT: read the article turns out it’s super useful… It gives insight into decision table which is a pattern I did not know about until recently…
Is this really a recurring design pattern for y’all?
I mean, you can just use a switch. anyways I’ll read the article and see ;)
Carighan@lemmy.world
on 24 Sep 2024 11:08
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Decision tables are nice. They hide the important part of the logic away out of view of another programmer trying to figure out a bug in the code.
Very helpful! You take longer to find and fix bugs, and potentially miss a few extra ones because of stuff like this. Increased tech debt. Highly recommended! 👍
hector@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Sep 2024 14:28
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I mean, you can just right click “Definition” in VSCode and see how it works… It’s not that inconvenient.
It’s easy to read, write and refactor so I don’t really see what you mean.
BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 15:54
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What’s fun is determining which function in that list of functions actually is the one where the bug happens and where.
I don’t know about other langauges, but it’s quite inconvenient to debug one-linres since they are tougher to step through. Not hard, but certainly more bothersome.
I’m also not a huge fan of un-named functions so their functionality/conditions aren’t clear from the naming, it’s largely okay here since the conditional list is fairly simple and it uses only AND comparisons. They quickly become mentally troublesome when you have OR mixed in along with the changing booleans depending on which condition in the list you are looking at.
At the end of the day though, unit tests should make sure the right driver is returned for the right conditions. That way, you know it works, and the solution is resistant to refactor mishaps.
einkorn@feddit.org
on 24 Sep 2024 11:10
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I can’t find it right now, but there is some explanation in “Clean Code” why switches shouldn’t be used all over the place.
djnattyp@lemmy.world
on 24 Sep 2024 12:46
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Google for “replace conditional with polymorphism”.
Just checked and it is in “Clean Code” - Chaper 17; Section G23 “Prefer Polymorphism to if/else or switch/case”.
einkorn@feddit.org
on 24 Sep 2024 13:45
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Thank you!
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 17:22
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This is really terrible advice. Sometimes it’s better to do that, but definitely not in the example from this article.
If anyone says you should always prefer polymorphism to switches they are a bloody idiot.
PushButton@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 01:01
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I always love watching people falling for Clown-Bob’s advises…
Let’s go, let’s eat shit on toasts! It’s just a matter of how thin you can spread it to hide the taste…
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io
on 25 Sep 2024 06:37
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In case you’re wondering about the down votes, many think Clean Code is not a good book. It got a few good advice, but it also got bad advice disguised as good advice.
I don’t think switch statements should always be avoided. There are cases where polymorphism makes things more difficult to maintain. Saying polymorphism should be used over switch statements is not a good advice.
Here’s an article going into more detail why we should stop recommending Clean Code: https://qntm.org/clean
jonc211@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 11:28
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The scope is irrelevant it’s a single function class as presented. It was a single method that they broke out “to hide the ifs”. Then they just used compiler specialties to remove the word ‘if’ from the assignments. The comparisons are still there and depending on the execution path those constants may not be so constant during runtime.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
on 24 Sep 2024 12:06
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It has conditionals not but actual if statements. Not really different in functionality but a more consistent style.
They’re still ifs. They’ve just been lambda’d and assigned to constants.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
on 25 Sep 2024 21:54
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branching ≠ if ≠ conditional
They’re all related but can’t just be used interchangeably. “if” is a reserved keyword to indicate a specific syntax is expected. It’s not the semantics the author was trying to change, it’s the syntax, and the overall point is that you aren’t always required to use the specific “if” syntax to write code just like you’re not required to use “while” to achieve looping.
If you decompile that code you won’t get lambdas. You get ifs. Because that is how the hardware is build. Ifs/ands/Ors that is what computing is built on. Everything else is flavor.
platypus_plumba@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 07:07
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The title of the post is “how to avoid if-else hell”, not “how to avoid conditionals”. Not sure what’s your point.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml
on 24 Sep 2024 10:59
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As a Jr Developer, I found this very helpful. Thanks.
HamsterRage@lemmy.ca
on 24 Sep 2024 13:25
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You might want to think about it a bit more before putting it to work. The comment with the streams example is far, far better.
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 17:24
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Yeah, honestly you should stick to if/else until you’re really sure you want to do something more complex.
Carighan@lemmy.world
on 24 Sep 2024 11:07
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I love how this tries to sell making your code strictly worse as something positive.
Sigh. And it’s still full of ifs.
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io
on 24 Sep 2024 11:12
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Looks like it’s JavaScript, but in Java I would prefer to use the Stream API, something like this:
This increases the separation of concern in a neat way, and it becomes more clear what the for loop does at a glance (get the first driver satisfying a set of conditions). The more complicated logic is isolated in meetsRiderPreferences, which now only returns true or false. Reading the method is more about making a mental map of a truth table.
It’s also easy to expand the logic (add more filter conditions, sort the drivers based on rating and distance, break out meetsRiderPreferences into smaller methods, etc.).
Not sure how the equivalent in JavaScript would look like, but this is what I would do in Java.
MagicShel@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 11:28
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I try to prefer .findAny() over .findFirst() because it will perform better in some cases (it will have to resolve whether there are other matches and which one is actually first before it can terminate - more relevant for parallel streams I think. findAny short circuits that) but otherwise I like the first. I’d probably go with some sort of composed predicate for the second, to be able to easily add new criteria. But I could be over engineering.
I mostly just posted because I think not enough people are aware of the reasons to use findAny as a default unless findFirst is needed.
magic_lobster_party@fedia.io
on 24 Sep 2024 11:32
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For me I have the habit of doing findFirst because determinism is important where I work. But I agree with you if determinism is not of importance.
MagicShel@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 22:59
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I would only note that for the vast majority of my experience these streams can only return up to a single match. Determinism isn’t really preserved by findFirst, either, unless the sort order is set up that way.
Finding the first Jim Jones in a table is no more reliable that finding any Jim Jones. But finding PersonId 13579 is deterministic whether you findFirst or findAny.
Perhaps you work in a different domain where your experience is different.
Kissaki@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 14:24
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Using early returns and ternary conditional operator changes
arendjr@programming.dev
on 24 Sep 2024 11:15
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While I can get behind most of the advice here, I don’t actually like the conditions array. The reason being that each condition function now needs additional conditions to make sure it doesn’t overlap with the other condition functions. This was much more elegantly handled by the else clauses, since adding another condition to the array has now become a puzzle to verify the conditions remain non-overlapping.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world
on 24 Sep 2024 12:16
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To each their own. Some won’t like the repeating code and some won’t like the distributed logic (i.e. you have to read every if and if-else statement to know when the else takes effect). I think the use of booleans like isDriverClose makes the repeated logic less messy and reduces inefficiency (if the compiler didn’t optimize for you).
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Sep 2024 12:21
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My issue with this is that it works well with sample code but not as well with real-world situations where maintaining a state is important. What if rider.preferences was expensive to calculate?
Note that this code will ignore a rider’s preferences if it finds a lower-rated driver before a higher-rated driver.
With that said, I often work on applications where even small improvements in performance are valuable, and that is far from universal in software development. (Generally developer time is much more expensive than CPU time.) I use C++ so I can read this like pseudocode but I’m not familiar with language features that might address my concerns.
sebsch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Sep 2024 12:33
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Sometimes is it worth to rethink the problem. Especially when your condition is based on set-members. Using quantor logic often simplifies the condition :
return
any(x for x in X if x==condition_a)
or all(y for y in Y if y==condition_b)
and all(x for x in X if x==condition_c)
I am not sure if JS has something similar, but this often helps by a lot
I am not sure if JS has something similar, but this often helps by a lot
It does, the some/every array methods would achieve the same results. I use them quite often myself!
jbrains@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Sep 2024 01:08
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The fact that the loop is doing “find first driver matching these strange criteria” seems most obviously obscured by the pattern of assigning a value, then killing the loop or not. This strikes me as the part that makes the algorithm tedious to test, since it forces us to use a collection to test the intricacies of the inner conditions.
Once we isolate “find first driver matching condition” from computing the condition for each driver, I consider the rest a question of personal taste. Specification pattern, composition of filters, something like that. Whatever you find easier to follow.
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EDIT: read the article turns out it’s super useful… It gives insight into decision table which is a pattern I did not know about until recently…
Is this really a recurring design pattern for y’all?
I mean, you can just use a switch. anyways I’ll read the article and see ;)
Decision tables are nice. They hide the important part of the logic away out of view of another programmer trying to figure out a bug in the code.
Very helpful! You take longer to find and fix bugs, and potentially miss a few extra ones because of stuff like this. Increased tech debt. Highly recommended! 👍
I mean, you can just right click “Definition” in VSCode and see how it works… It’s not that inconvenient.
It’s easy to read, write and refactor so I don’t really see what you mean.
What’s fun is determining which function in that list of functions actually is the one where the bug happens and where. I don’t know about other langauges, but it’s quite inconvenient to debug one-linres since they are tougher to step through. Not hard, but certainly more bothersome.
I’m also not a huge fan of un-named functions so their functionality/conditions aren’t clear from the naming, it’s largely okay here since the conditional list is fairly simple and it uses only AND comparisons. They quickly become mentally troublesome when you have OR mixed in along with the changing booleans depending on which condition in the list you are looking at.
At the end of the day though, unit tests should make sure the right driver is returned for the right conditions. That way, you know it works, and the solution is resistant to refactor mishaps.
I can’t find it right now, but there is some explanation in “Clean Code” why switches shouldn’t be used all over the place.
Google for “replace conditional with polymorphism”.
Just checked and it is in “Clean Code” - Chaper 17; Section G23 “Prefer Polymorphism to if/else or switch/case”.
Thank you!
This is really terrible advice. Sometimes it’s better to do that, but definitely not in the example from this article.
If anyone says you should always prefer polymorphism to switches they are a bloody idiot.
I always love watching people falling for Clown-Bob’s advises…
Let’s go, let’s eat shit on toasts! It’s just a matter of how thin you can spread it to hide the taste…
In case you’re wondering about the down votes, many think Clean Code is not a good book. It got a few good advice, but it also got bad advice disguised as good advice.
I don’t think switch statements should always be avoided. There are cases where polymorphism makes things more difficult to maintain. Saying polymorphism should be used over switch statements is not a good advice.
Here’s an article going into more detail why we should stop recommending Clean Code: https://qntm.org/clean
Also take a look at the Specification Pattern for something similar.
That’s something I would only use if the logic becomes very complex, but it can help break things down nicely in those cases.
This doesn’t get rid of the if statements. It hides them.
It doesn’t hide. It makes them happen first and, here’s the important bit, closes their scope quickly.
The scope is irrelevant it’s a single function class as presented. It was a single method that they broke out “to hide the ifs”. Then they just used compiler specialties to remove the word ‘if’ from the assignments. The comparisons are still there and depending on the execution path those constants may not be so constant during runtime.
It has conditionals not but actual if statements. Not really different in functionality but a more consistent style.
They’re still ifs. They’ve just been lambda’d and assigned to constants.
branching ≠ if ≠ conditional
They’re all related but can’t just be used interchangeably. “if” is a reserved keyword to indicate a specific syntax is expected. It’s not the semantics the author was trying to change, it’s the syntax, and the overall point is that you aren’t always required to use the specific “if” syntax to write code just like you’re not required to use “while” to achieve looping.
If you decompile that code you won’t get lambdas. You get ifs. Because that is how the hardware is build. Ifs/ands/Ors that is what computing is built on. Everything else is flavor.
The title of the post is “how to avoid if-else hell”, not “how to avoid conditionals”. Not sure what’s your point.
As a Jr Developer, I found this very helpful. Thanks.
You might want to think about it a bit more before putting it to work. The comment with the streams example is far, far better.
Yeah, honestly you should stick to if/else until you’re really sure you want to do something more complex.
I love how this tries to sell making your code strictly worse as something positive.
Sigh. And it’s still full of ifs.
Looks like it’s JavaScript, but in Java I would prefer to use the Stream API, something like this:
Then we have:
This increases the separation of concern in a neat way, and it becomes more clear what the for loop does at a glance (get the first driver satisfying a set of conditions). The more complicated logic is isolated in meetsRiderPreferences, which now only returns true or false. Reading the method is more about making a mental map of a truth table.
It’s also easy to expand the logic (add more filter conditions, sort the drivers based on rating and distance, break out meetsRiderPreferences into smaller methods, etc.).
Not sure how the equivalent in JavaScript would look like, but this is what I would do in Java.
I try to prefer
.findAny()
over.findFirst()
because it will perform better in some cases (it will have to resolve whether there are other matches and which one is actually first before it can terminate - more relevant for parallel streams I think. findAny short circuits that) but otherwise I like the first. I’d probably go with some sort of composed predicate for the second, to be able to easily add new criteria. But I could be over engineering.I mostly just posted because I think not enough people are aware of the reasons to use findAny as a default unless findFirst is needed.
For me I have the habit of doing findFirst because determinism is important where I work. But I agree with you if determinism is not of importance.
I would only note that for the vast majority of my experience these streams can only return up to a single match. Determinism isn’t really preserved by findFirst, either, unless the sort order is set up that way.
Finding the first Jim Jones in a table is no more reliable that finding any Jim Jones. But finding PersonId 13579 is deterministic whether you findFirst or findAny.
Perhaps you work in a different domain where your experience is different.
Using early returns and ternary conditional operator changes
to
dunno if java has them, but in C# switch expressions could put more of a case focus on the cases
While I can get behind most of the advice here, I don’t actually like the conditions array. The reason being that each condition function now needs additional conditions to make sure it doesn’t overlap with the other condition functions. This was much more elegantly handled by the
else
clauses, since adding another condition to the array has now become a puzzle to verify the conditions remain non-overlapping.To each their own. Some won’t like the repeating code and some won’t like the distributed logic (i.e. you have to read every if and if-else statement to know when the else takes effect). I think the use of booleans like
isDriverClose
makes the repeated logic less messy and reduces inefficiency (if the compiler didn’t optimize for you).My issue with this is that it works well with sample code but not as well with real-world situations where maintaining a state is important. What if
rider.preferences
was expensive to calculate?Note that this code will ignore a rider’s preferences if it finds a lower-rated driver before a higher-rated driver.
With that said, I often work on applications where even small improvements in performance are valuable, and that is far from universal in software development. (Generally developer time is much more expensive than CPU time.) I use C++ so I can read this like pseudocode but I’m not familiar with language features that might address my concerns.
Sometimes is it worth to rethink the problem. Especially when your condition is based on set-members. Using quantor logic often simplifies the condition :
I am not sure if JS has something similar, but this often helps by a lot
It does, the some/every array methods would achieve the same results. I use them quite often myself!
The fact that the loop is doing “find first driver matching these strange criteria” seems most obviously obscured by the pattern of assigning a value, then killing the loop or not. This strikes me as the part that makes the algorithm tedious to test, since it forces us to use a collection to test the intricacies of the inner conditions.
Once we isolate “find first driver matching condition” from computing the condition for each driver, I consider the rest a question of personal taste. Specification pattern, composition of filters, something like that. Whatever you find easier to follow.
This is called the Pyramid of Doom, by the way.