How do you do, fellow web developers? A growing disconnect. (rakhim.exotext.com)
from tja@sh.itjust.works to programming@programming.dev on 24 Dec 13:52
https://sh.itjust.works/post/29980057

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1hitsong@lemmy.ml on 24 Dec 14:35 next collapse

Yeah, that tracks.

At work someone estimated adding a section of static content to a page that uses React as 3 story points.

They were searching for components that would style the header and paragraph elements just as they wanted them, but were coming up short.

Instead I simply added it with html elements and a couple of lines of CSS.

5 minutes. Done.

😐

NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 14:53 next collapse

I swear this isn’t a get off my lawn post

Proceeds to spend 5 paragraphs complaining about what people call the original Javascript. He has some valid points, but this is very much an older developer complaining about the new generation of devs.

mbirth@lemmy.ml on 24 Dec 15:33 collapse

new generation of devs

The new generation of devs sadly has a lot of people that only can type what they want to achieve into ChatGPT and blindly copy whatever code snippet it comes up with. But they can’t develop. Nor do they understand code written by others. They’re the reason things like NodeJS’s is-even package exists.

NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 15:37 next collapse

This is a generalization that has some merit. but ultimately, generalizing an entire group of people and making assumptions about them isn’t a good way to judge an individuals ability to code.

See what they can do, and then judge.

mbirth@lemmy.ml on 24 Dec 15:48 collapse

You must have missed the part where I said a lot of people, not all of them. There are people calling themselves “developer” that shine during the hiring process, but then can’t implement a random feature if there’s no ready-to-use library for it.

However, this doesn’t mean that there still aren’t lots of actual developers around, that know what they’re doing and can actually code in an actual programming language.

potatopotato@sh.itjust.works on 24 Dec 20:46 collapse

If you want to play true Scotsman, the embedded devs like to make fun of the web devs for being scared of bitfields and refusing to do logic with anything other than string matching and manipulation.

. . .

Secretly it’s partially because we’re absolutely terrified of strings in any form and simply refuse to use them.

There are a lot of sub disciplines to the field, some benefit a lot from GPT or blindly copying from SA, some don’t, but that’s ok either way. Keep your skill sets broad and you’ll survive.

Vincent@feddit.nl on 24 Dec 16:28 next collapse

Published 8 years ago

I didn’t know that the new generation of developers were that far along in their careers already.

theneverfox@pawb.social on 24 Dec 17:44 next collapse

We’ve been saying that about new devs since there became a second generation of devs

Except when I was a new dev, it was blindly copying stuff from stack overflow

Static_Rocket@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 20:18 collapse

This isn’t the new generation of devs. This is just new devs. Some people refuse to grow out of this stage.

mesamunefire@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 20:32 next collapse

I’ve heard of the term “expert beginners”.

limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 25 Dec 05:25 collapse

New devs generally suck, I sucked a lot.

The problem I fear today is that there are more crutches new devs can rely on, until they can’t.

And it’s not a sharp boundary between getting by and not being able to work it

passiveaggressivesonar@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 17:32 next collapse

Holding their hand through one page in vanilla JS is a great investment in your junior dev if this is an issue

techt@lemmy.world on 24 Dec 18:57 next collapse

I thought ambagious was a typo of ambiguous. New word day!

mox@lemmy.sdf.org on 24 Dec 22:33 collapse

One can argue that any programming is computer science,

One could argue that, but I think it would be a weak argument.

Keeping within the subcategory of software, I think of computer science as the theoretical side and programming as the practical side. The same distinction is sometimes made in other fields, like physics.

Seems to me that the author saw a show written by people with a narrow and shallow understanding of the field. For better or for worse, it happens on TV all the time. If he wants to demonstrate a widespread disconnect in the software community, there are probably better examples out there.