Correct, it’s about giving them a wider perspective. Also I’m teaching them that scummy games that push micro transactions on you with manipulative shit should be avoided, or at least being conscious about their manipulative shit. In the end you can’t make them not play Minecraft, but there is a difference between Java and Bedrock
This is the right way to do it. Don't try to prevent your kids from enjoying what they want to play, don't forcibly alienate them from the cultural zeitgeist that will connect them to their peers. But if you can get them to develop a wider palate with an appreciation for titles both old and new, that's a positive.
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 22:23
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I did try to get a nephew to play pokemon fire red (emulated on a tablet), he found it really boring 😅
Gotta think of another game that plays fine on a tablet and maybe isn’t as boring
I'm not really surprised. There's so many papercuts in those games. I've not played a Pokémon games since Black/White but even then, ugh, such a slog. They're really good at sucking all the momentum out of things, sadly.
I played Blue when I was about 12 and the appeal was mostly that there wasn't anything on a handheld that had anywhere near as much content. Link's Awakening is a better game but it's not that long, etc..
Yes. It was a big fish in a small pond when it came out, compared to where indies were at back then. And where indies were back then was a niche. I'd say it's largely been forgotten compared to the most popular indie hits today.
cloudless@piefed.social
on 16 Aug 12:59
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I am “guilty” of showing my daughter classic movies including some black and white ones.
I think everyone should watch those, it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 16 Aug 13:16
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it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
I truly think stuff like this is important. Developing an appreciation and personal connection to cultural touchstones of the past is like a history lesson and familiarizes you with the life experiences of your parents/grandparents/etc.
What? I’m curious to hear why. Gaming has shown to increase hand eye coordination, better thinking and logical skills, and if you go for non-electronic gaming it can help a person develop social skills by interacting with others.
A blanket ban on gaming just seems short sighted, rather than teaching them rights and wrongs around playing and overplay
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
That seems like something that should be a discussion rather than an edict
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 22:17
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As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
Weird. Do they hate videogames in general or what? Because a number of games can teach “choices have consequences” really well. Maybe put them to play Outer Wilds, I hear it’s one hell of an experience to dive into without knowing anything
“Cool” uncle (citation needed), did expose kids to games released 2 to 3 decades before their time occasionally.
I was a bit surprised that even rough 8-bit sprite graphics can capture their interest. An 8 year old trying to make sense of the pixelly mess that’s a Metroid creature sprite can be funny.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 13:24
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Counterpoint:
The reason they will be out of touch is that they will have better impulse control and better spending habits than kids raised on modern games with their FOMO MTX and gacha bullshit.
So basically, actual ‘nerds’ are rasing another generation of ‘nerds’, except this time, nerds 2.0 will probably actually be more socially intelligent than the brain dead zombies being raised on fornite, roblox and tiktok, who have negative attention spans and cannot fathom the concept of doing any actual thought-work, when chatgpt can just do their homework for them.
They’ll also be more tech savvy, like being exposed to or having to learn at least some of how emulation works, which kinda de facto makes you understand things like a file structure, which an increasing number of kids (now adults too) raised on modern mobile UIs… have no clue about.
Oh, they’ll also likely just be generally more literate.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 13:38
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Yeah the nerds usually find themselves in very powerful social circles if they survive school. Circles of emotionally mature experts with strong careers.
Kids’ needs are of course very important, but abandoning engaging hobbies in favor of some phantom desire to fit in is dumb.
Yeah the nerds usually find themselves in very powerful social circles if they survive school. Circles of emotionally mature experts with strong careers.
You’re assuming they’ll be hired and promoted by emotionally mature people.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 14:27
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You’re not kidding about file structure. I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones. Every thing is just “in here somewhere” and it’ll pray the search feature can find it when I eventually locate the file browser.
Due to circumstances, I’ve had to emulate more on phones. You very much can figure out the file structure so long at its Android (and 9 times out of 10 shit is just in the download folder). I swear my wife’s iPhone is a little black box, though.
The whole fucking movement happened the second they rolled out the fashion adverts for fucking ipods that required itunes to scatter your files into a zillion folders for no fucking reason and people went “yeah, I don’t give a shit about owning my device or data”
Then came the walled garden, then the shitty apps, then the perpetual surveilance machines.
Now I literally cannot avoid having a phone since work , citizenship and banking two factor authentications are mandatory and on my phone. Fuck sake.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Aug 03:27
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Walled garden i remember from the 90s.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 15:31
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Do yourself a favor and install a FOSS file manager system, if you can / its not too much trouble on your particular phone.
Basicslly every phone OS goes out of their way to make their particular file browsing app batcrap overcomplicated and unintuitive if you want to do anything other than exactly what they want you do do.
Which is usually sync everything on your phone to their cloud and your account.
I am running a sort of jerry rigged, half baked, de goodled android, … basically I have torn out, replaced or disabled everything I can without root, but left in play store and core g services so i can actually still use it for common apps… done the best I can to lock down everything to its bare minimim privelege set, never use a big ole shared account for anything, everything is a separate, old school email account.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org
on 16 Aug 18:18
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I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones.
In a certain way, probably me neither. I use ls, df, md5sum, cp, mv, rsync, tar, gzip, gpg, vim, touch and mkdir in Termux (terminal emulator for Android). For example, say I am replacing MP3 for FLAC. I really like to keep the timestamps of when I added the specific song, but I can’t find any better way than touch -r oldfile.mp3 newfile.flac
But I also use FX File explorer for certain tasks, as it thankfully keeps timestamps. I absolutely hate how moving photos in Google Photos updates the modified timestamp to the date of when the file was moved. Why?
And I also have an ancient version of ES File explorer, version 4.0.2.3. Before it enshittified.
But I am not sure whatever that is installable from within the device, or it’s old enough to require adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block app.apk like some other old apps I use.
Anyway, I have no idea what’s going on with iPhones and files, or whether that’s a non-existent concept there.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 16 Aug 18:25
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You’re in a virtualized container that only exposes some directories, also those directories are mostly hidden from you, also within this container you generally don’t have any permissions to them, and also every application completely obfuscates it’s folder access via some file access API.
It’s crazy to me how hard consumers got fucked right from the start on phone software and how normalized we are to it.
NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 02:08
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It’s mainly done for security reasons, but yes it is not the most friendly way of doing things.
I agree with you, though… it’s definitely good for the general population as a whole. Tech savvy peeps should have the option to…be, but most folks should not have root access.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 17 Aug 05:16
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If it was primarily done for security then it was a massive fucking failure. But I believe that security was a secondary concern.
NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 12:09
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What reason do you think? Also what makes you think it was a failure? Seems pretty successful to me.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 17 Aug 15:33
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The app store and permission model hasn’t stopped malicious code from making it onto users devices. So if security was the concern, I’d say that’s a failure. But I think the primary concern was control. Control by manufacturers (And eventually, thereby states) of what people see and do on their phone. Make sure they have to pay for access to features. Easily surveil what they do.
Security is very often the excuse for control.
NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 16:40
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Your confusing different parts of the system here, and showing a lack of understanding of the security and privacy concepts involved.
Stopping malicious apps is not the point of the permissions model or of the file structure. It’s meant to restrict what malicious apps can do, not prevent them from being installed. It applies to side loaded apps just as much as ones from the play store. Malicious code ending up on users devices does not make that system a failure, as that was never the aim.
As for spying, the permissions model makes that harder as apps can’t just access all the files made by the other apps. These kinds of mechanisms also exist on desktop Linux via flatpak and snapcraft for similar reasons. Mandatory and discretionary access control is important for both security and privacy. The two are not at odds here, they are in fact very much aligned.
The app store part is separate and not at all what was being discussed. That is meant to stop malicious apps from getting onto devices. In the case of Apple this is definitely also about control, but android has always allowed third party apps and sideloading.
Google’s own services and Apple’s own services are part of the OS and potentially have access to things others don’t so can very much engage in spying. That could be said of any Android manufacturer with their own ROM. You can do whatever you want if you made the ROM, android permissions model be damned.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 17 Aug 17:27
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Sorry, I thought you were the kind of person who could handle a little casual disagreement. I don’t mind that you think security was the primary purpose of phone OS app land, and I definitely wouldn’t presume you arrived at that assessment from ignorance as you’re a stranger who I don’t know and that would be both foolish and needlessly insulting. But everything I’ve watched phone companies do over the past 20 years demonstrates to me that a desire for control was the main intent. You don’t have to agree, in fact I think it’s silly to spend all day debating it because it really is a subjective matter.
NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 20:50
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What makes you think I can’t handle disagreement? If If think someone is using shaky reasoning I am allowed to call them out, and use my actual knowledge on the subject to defend my point.
I am not saying google or apple have the best of intentions. They don’t and that’s why I use GrapheneOS.
Sandboxing is generally a good thing so long as it’s done in a transparent way that can be controlled by the user. Hence the popularity of flatpaks, AppArmor and why GrapheneOS has even stricter sandboxing options than stock android. Walled garden ecosystems aren’t good, and neither is spying. Apple is guilty of both of those, with google being guilty of the latter. You’re painting all of these distinct things with the same brush even though they are basically cross purposes to each other. Different mechanisms are made for different reasons. The current state of mobile is the result of more than one decision made with different aims in mind. I am not saying that security is the primary consideration for all of these, certainly telemetry wasn’t added for security reasons. Just that it’s not as simple as you want to think. Nuances exist.
This is not subjective either. Someone somewhere will know the actual reasons these decisions were made. Even though we don’t know the exact thought process behind them, we can still reason about what these mechanisms do and are useful for. Android itself is open source and these mechanisms are reviewed by other security researchers. You’re just saying that to get out of the leg work of actually understanding the nuts and bolts of this stuff and what is and isn’t supporting the end user.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 22 Aug 03:26
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With android the default file thing is integrated with cloud. The version of files that was local only like a real operating system is in there somewhere but not something a user can access on demand. So it’s literally not ‘in here somewhere’ anymore.
I had to find a third party tool on f.droid.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 16 Aug 18:22
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Never discount the sheer volume of text and dialog contained in the average mid-90s JRPG!
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 22:03
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4 CDs of text to be read!! Though I’ll gladly replay the 2 CDs of Chrono Cross for the beautiful graphics, music and characters.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 23:55
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Apples and oranges.
'90s equivalent to “them goshdang tiktoks and fortnites” isn’t Half-Life and Ocarina of Time, it’s Television. The Simpsons or DBZ. Or those awful “classic” animated shows from the '80s that were designed from the ground up to be toy ads. “Impulse control” my ass, most of y’all were glued up to the TV screen like a moth to a lamp and only got consumption impulses out of it. Calling young people “brain dead zombies” is such an “old man yells at cloud” moment, look at yourself.
There’s more culture than ever being created now thanks to the incredibly lower barrier to entry. There are more incredible microtransaction-less indie games made in the last 10 years than the exhaustive library of most gaming consoles back then. Celeste, Outer Wilds, Expedition 33, Baldur’s Gate 3, Tunic…
The existence of slop is a constant across generations, and clinging to an idealized past is such a foolish endeavor, and will cause you to lose out on so much relevant cultural discourse happening right now. How many classic video games from the '90s might a queer kid growing up nowadays look up to? How many?? How many had, oh, I don’t know, a goddamn female protagonist? And don’t say that Samus counts. What a lame-ass culture to let our daughters grow up in.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 03:10
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I mean, as a 90s kid, and tech dork… yeah, I largely did drop TV almost entirely, in favor of console and pc gaming, and exploring the early public internet on a 56k modem.
I would imagine most tech dorks of the era did as well?
Like, as soon as I learned how to block ads on the internet, then later on youtube, as well as uh, obtain audio visual media without cost… I did that regularly, never looked back, began to actually not be able to stand TV due to ads everywhere all the time.
And yep, I am still calling anyone who watches ads for anything, anyone who buys into incredibly exploitative business models that waste your time, money, or both, yep, I’ve been calling them idiot consumer zombies since the 90s, consistently.
You are right that there are more non bs indie games now. That is great! That is good.
Are more games more diverse now?
Yes! Also good.
… But I’ve had basically the same opinions on all this since the 90s, I am not rembering an idealized past, I am one of the nerds thats been this way the whole damn time.
They call Gen Z the digital native generation, but this omits the ubernerd Millenials such as myself (and others from other generations) who forged the way, who were early adopters from a young age, who were digital visionaries that forged the path before the ecosystems got to be more user friendly, more accessible, more mainstream.
Like uh, without potentially doxxing myself, of those indie games you list?
Yeah, I know a few people on one of those game’s dev teams, personally, met them online when I was first like like 13, back when multiplayer games had server browsers with private custom servers, some of those also had their own websites and forums, all we had for voice comms was ventrilo… I met these people way back, have regularly voice chatted and gamed with them for… 20 years?
I myself have been modding (as in making mods) for that long as well, I literally taught myself how to code so that I could do it, before I got out of high school, before any high school offered coding classes, before Adobe bought out Macromedia, and flash games on Newgrounds were all the rage.
Not to try to gatekeep nerddom with some kind of official checklist you have to measure up against, but I think you are considerably underestimating the potential nerdiness of a lot of really dedicated nerds from that era, and thus writing them off as ‘old men yelling at clouds’… when we’ve been yelling at those same clouds since we were kids, then we went on to actually implement the changes we deemed necessary, as best as we could when up against the corporate and financial behemoths constructed by Boomers.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 14:02
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My public high school in Southern California had programming class in the late 1970’s. Nerds been nerding for a bit. Now if you’ll excuse me, I gotta yell at some clouds, now where did I leave my onion belt…
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Aug 13:55
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You do realize that is/was extremely uncommon, right?
Not to argue against your nerddom, I’m sure you are, and of course nerds have been nerding for quite a long time, but uh, you won the time and place birth lottery to be a Boomer born into prime recruiting territory for Silicon Valley, IBM probably directly paid for that class.
Programming, actual courses in writing code… beyond maybe basic HTML… were basically unheard of in US public k-12 schools untill like, the late 2000s at best, more like 2010s.
You were in the right place at the right time to be able to recieve formal nerd training in a public high school in the 70s.
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world
on 19 Aug 03:26
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Yes a privileged place and time.
lolrightythen@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 03:01
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Nerds v Normies?
With respect
Cooljimy84@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 13:25
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Gaming peaked with the Wii, LOL
TheEntity@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 13:27
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That’s a weird way to spell “Super Nintendo”.
NinePeedles@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 13:43
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That’s a weird way to spell “Nintendo Entertainment System”.
lemmyknow@lemmy.today
on 16 Aug 13:44
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That’s a weird way to spell “Sticks & Stones”
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Aug 01:07
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Stick and hoop beats stick and stones any day.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 15:18
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That’s a weird way to spell “486 DX66 with a Super VGA card and a Sound Blaster 16”.
splashgarden@lemmy.zip
on 16 Aug 15:50
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i’m totally biased because i grew up in that era, but it’s my favorite console and i’m currently combing through my backlog of wii games i’ve bought over the years or never beat as a kid. sooo many hidden gems! it’s so cheap to find good games for, it’s a great beginner console
I had a chipped Wii during uni and so we (flatmates + me) downloaded and burned a vast ocean of Wii games.
I don't really see it as the peak of gaming. There's a few good games, like SMG 1 & 2, but I'd be hard pressed to name more than ten exclusives worth revisiting. So much shovelware and low quality ports.
SlippiHUD@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 13:27
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I feel this is exactly the same as boomers who raised thier kids on exclusively 70 and 80s “classic” rock.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 16 Aug 13:40
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I do have a fondness for old rock/metal from that era too and am pretty happy with it, so maybe that's a green light!
Shit, my parents were boomers and raised me on 50s and 60s music. The oldest boomers would’ve been 35 in 1980.
All that said, nothing wrong with listening to music from the past. Most popular classical music was written well over a century ago. I personally love music from the 40s. My son gets an earful representing every decade
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 14:42
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Turns on classic rock station and Green Day is playing. Oh… Huh, yeah I’m not sure I’m ready for this, finds new channel.
The youngest boomers were born in 1964, so they’d be in thier late 20s at the end of the 80’s. Which were my parents.
I also dont think there’s anything wrong with exposing your kids to older media, which was my point. Your kids will seek out new media without you, so giving them a foundation of things that came before helps expand thier knowledge base.
like 90% of my active games library is 2009 or older. that’s not to say i don’t give modern games a shot. they just don’t stick around like the old ones do most of the time. exceptions are, like, Path of Exile 2; which for all intents and purposes plays like a game designed prior to 2009 🤣
so yeah, my kids definitely prefer the older stuff too. plus, i mean, what kid doesn’t play the shit out of minecraft or roblox today anyway (2009 and 2004 respectively)?
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Aug 01:09
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You’re confusing Gen X and the boomers. Boomers were ~1948-64, making the youngest boomers 61 today.
I got Commodore C128 as my first computer when rest of the world was solidly running Pentiums. That had to be around 1997 or something. That might explain my “acquired” taste in games.
Yeah, if she plays an N64, she won’t be exposed to any popular series from today, and will instead play things like Mario Kart, The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros., and Pokémon.
silasmariner@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 19:32
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Yeah but (with the exception of Pokémon) the graphics have moved on a bit
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club
on 16 Aug 13:48
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Not being in the average isn’t necessarily bad, just a bit different. And intolerant jerks will find you being different no matter how much the same you are compared to them.
meh, maybe one AAA game a year is worth buying, old or indie games are way better
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 14:36
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I was trying to look to see what AAA games come out in 2025, and I think I saw one most parents would agree is fine for younger kids. Maybe the lists I’m finding are aimed at me though.
Gears of War, Ninja Gaiden, Death Stranding, GTA 6, Doom, Assasins Creed, Metal Gear Solid, Elden Ring, Ghost of Yotel, Borderlands, Mafia, Dying Light, Silent Hill and
Sonic Racing.
So depending on the parents I would say 13 AAA Games for 10+ year olds, and 1 for Younger than 10 year olds. (Note I said most parents, some are obviously fine letting youger kids play more). Elden Ring might make it 2, but I really don’t know much about that game.
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 15:52
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Elden Ring isn’t overly gore-y or anything (though some cutscenes could be considered a bit much for children), but I have a feeling most children trying to play it would find it way too frustrating and difficult and put it down. I’m of the opinion that Elden Ring is only as hard as you make it, but that’s assuming you’re somewhat decent or comfortable playing video games. I could give my wife the most over powered character possible but she wouldn’t be able to beat Margit (first real boss of the game for most people) because she would struggle to even control the character properly. If you’re giving the game to a kid under 10, they probably only have a few years of gaming knowledge and likely won’t be proficient enough in general gaming knowledge to git gud. That’s just my opinion though, I may be way off.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 16:09
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Yeah I had a hard time questioning in my head if I had kids what age Assassin’s creed games were fine. I was going to say 10 was fine, but then remembered the whole premise was killing people, so I imagine to me it would be kid specific. That said, when I was younger than 10 it was the 90s so I have little to compare it to except maybe Tenchu, which was a lot of fun to me when I was 9 or 10, but things have gotten a little bit more graphic today I imagine.
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 19:12
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I wasn’t allowed to play violent video games as a kid, but the other kids on my street were, so when it was too miserable outside for playing road hockey or shooting each other with toy guns or whatever, we’d play whatever games they had (a lot of Halo especially). Halo CE was my first ever video game, and it never scarred me or anything, and I turned out fine. Obviously everyone’s different and YMMV.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 18:26
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Most of the people buying and playing video games are over the age of 16. Since M-rated games sell the most, it’s not that surprising to see so many new M-rated games.
devolution@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 13:56
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Spiderman 2: I solely play as Peter Parker. My daughter solely plays as Miles Morales. I wish the game was 2 player.
Minecraft: my daughter watches the YouTube videos yet somehow I’m the one who got us diamond armor. Go figure.
Super Mario Odyssey: She always makes me Mario and she’s a good cappy.
She’s not even remotely athletic but she’s brainy and is pretty popular with her friends. Go figure.
Games back then were made to be games. Games now are made to be addicting. Honestly I think it’s a good idea to stick to the old school games for as long as possible.
One thing about old games (pre n64), is that you don’t have to worry about controlling the camera. Younger kids like 5 or so have a hard time enough time timing button presses so making them also have to figure out how to control the camera is very frustrating for them. Isometric, top down, and point and clicks work best for younger kids.
I also think the super Nintendo controller is the best for children and people with small hands. 8bitdo makes a good modern one with more buttons and triggers so you can play modern games.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 16 Aug 14:40
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I was thinking about picking that controller up. My 3 y/o has been using a pro controller, and it seems too big.
Ooh, I hope that works for my daughter when she's old enough for it to be relevant. I've got a wall of instruments - some real, some game controllers, and some combination game/MIDI controllers.
You’re in for a fun evening. Let her pick up a peripheral and she might stick with it long enough to actually learn the real thing. That’s how Rock Band drums got me playing a real kit.
Excellent! I've got the drums and mic but I don't keep those in a ready state at the mo'.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net
on 16 Aug 18:19
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Being really good at guitar hero was the final motivating push I needed to actually learn real guitar. Today I enjoy being a consistently mediocre casual guitarist.
Playing the crap out of Guitar Hero with my friends ages ago is one of my most cherished memories, your daughter is in for a treat.
It could also serve as a cool way to bridge past and present since Fortnite now has a GH gamemode, made by the original creators of GH and Rockband
Oh that's fun!
My daughter is a few weeks old so we're in for a bit of a wait, but we'll see where we land on video games as she gets older. Being able to rock out as a family (+tribe) sounds wonderful.
My 3yos two favorite games are Mario 64 and Rhythm Heaven (in literally any form, but 3ds most approachable). The latter is especially funny that the 1yo is getting in on the references; “Wabba dubba dubba, that true?” and they both go “Un.” Might be a Halloween costume in the making.
And don’t get her started on those Rock and Roll frogs.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 16 Aug 15:26
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I'm not familiar with Rhythm Heaven, but Mario 64 (and Sunshine) has been a big hit in our house too.
The simplicity of the mini games make Rhythm Heaven easy to understand, mostly pushing A or B with proper timing. Mario 64 by contrast they’re just excited to find butterflies or make it to a door, moving and jumping at the same time is more hand eye coordination than my 3yo has atm.
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 22:12
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those Rock and Roll frogs.
Battletoads? Or is that something from Rhythm Heaven?
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 15:45
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Honestly this is how my parents(‘ generation) got me into gaming, pre-NES, because I was playing their games on Atari and Intellivision. I don’t know if it was the NES’s marketing or what that made people associate video games = for kids, but they were all in their 20s at the time and they had a blast with that stuff. Actually now that I think about it my grandma was mean at Burger Time back in the day.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 16:06
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we would ALL sit around and play mario on sunday nights. mom and dad too when they were home. TF is this gaming is just kids shit
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
on 16 Aug 18:32
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Duh, fun is only for children. Adults must be productive to produce profit.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
on 16 Aug 22:59
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Sorry, but that wasn’t a complete sentence, so I’m going to have to deduct you 10 Adult Points. You are now legally a minor until you can pay the fine of not more than fifty million US dollars.
Lmao of course you’re a gamer. Makes sense considering the negative IQ
rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Aug 10:28
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if only we could all be big brains like you tranes.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 15:47
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There are people who grew up with game but are well rounded and sociable. It depends entirely on the person and the type of environment they grew up in.
I don’t think that’s what the image is suggesting. More like the kid might be culturally “out of touch” with their generation’s gaming because they play old games instead.
Like, you know, everyone’s talking about Fortnite and Brawl Stars and whatever mobile game is trending right now and they’re like, yesterday I got Fierce Deity in Majora’s Mask.
It’s a bit silly a concern honestly. They’ll take whatever they like in the end, and if that makes them the weird kid, well, that’s how they are, and they’ll survive. Been there, done that.
splashgarden@lemmy.zip
on 16 Aug 15:47
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the first time i ever played video games was on a ps1… in 2009. we didn’t have a lot of money back then and all we had was my dad’s old playstation. he mostly played resident evil and similar games before he had kids; you can’t give preschoolers resident evil unless you want to traumatize them, so i spent hours playing gran turismo and a handful of arcade games on that thing until we got a wii in 2011. this began a trend of our family waiting until the end of a console’s life cycle to purchase it until i got old enough to buy my own consoles. now my parents wonder why i spend my money on old games instead of buying new ones…
Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 16:11
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My favorite part of the PSP/PS3 era was that they made so many direct ports of PS1 games on the digital store. So I got to experience a lot of old games I wouldn’t have been able to otherwise for dirt cheap.
Plus I could take them on the go and swap my save files easily with my PSP.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Aug 00:56
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I feel ya. I scraped the money together to pay for half of a nintendo 64 for my christmas gift around 2001. I bought a used PS2 in 2017. Garage sales are great for finding a system with a lot to got with it.
Similar story here, just with my dad’s SNES around that same time. Mainly played link to the past, as it was the only game we had for a bit, but we bought a couple others (super Mario world, where in the world is Carmen San Diego, ms pac man) on eBay later on. Both myself and my dad’s old save states are still on the cartridge last I checked.
Then we got a Wii around 2013 when my uncle was upgrading to Wii U, we got a PS2 slim from my grandparents (to play DDR with these terrible dance pads we never ended up using much), and I got a 3ds xl for my (12th?) birthday. That 3ds was the only console I got when it was even remotely new, and I have moved on to pc games ever since (at least for newer titles). My brother has continued collecting retro games, and has added an Atari 2600, a sega genesis, and my dad’s NES to the collection. Currently, the Wii, PS2, and 3DS have been softmodded and are still used fairly regularly.
It’s probably affected my taste in video games too - I get mostly old stuff or indie titles.
Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 16:01
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This will be me when I have children and I am not sorry.
I’ll help them build that foundational understanding of what games were and then if they still wanna play the modern bs, they can.
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 Aug 16:10
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We have a whole retro game station complete with CRT that they can play. They love Mario, Duck Hunt, some of the other games and are now gravitating to Gameboy, SNES and PS One. They like the Switch too, but usually go for the older stuff first.
Well, what about this: Early exposure to the shithead practices of modern gaming can enable children to more easily identify what’s good and what’s just trying to take money from them.
That’s why I slam that shit home all the time. Robux are a scam. YouTubers are just selling to you. If it has ads it’s not worth watching. Just repeat that every day to the kids and they’re good to go.
The message they will take away is “the things my parents approve of” and “the things that are really cool and fun” are disjoint categories. IDK, I’m not a parent, I don’t want to deal with that. Just thinking about my own childhood here, and the kids of people I know.
When my kids ask why some company does something I always answer “greed”
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 19:18
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The problem is that kids dont make or have money. Its like burning their hand the first time, they need to attempt to pay for their own lives fully at least once to really understand it. I think its fair to restrict these types of things to mature rated games as a general rule.
tiramichu@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 20:18
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You could argue the other way around - growing up with decent and non-predatory practices makes you less tolerant of when companies try to extort you because you already know what “good” looks like.
I’m sure the corpos would love nothing more than kids getting exposed to predatory practices from a young age so they grow up feeling those things are acceptable and normal.
Drag thinks we should expose kids to a safe environment most of the time, and to little bits of predatory design in contexts that make them easy to identify. Like a vaccine.
“Dad, how do I put armour on my horse?”
“You need to grow up and get a job and a credit card for that.”
“That sucks, I hate Oblivion! I want to go back to Morrowind!”
“It’s okay buddy, I pirated the Oblivion remaster. Let’s play that instead.”
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
on 16 Aug 22:15
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My kids didn’t see an ad connected to videos until the youngest was about 7 (outside of a movie theater, at least). When they first saw them, they were flabbergasted about what they were or why people would just sit there watching them, and absolutely refuse to put up with them. I’d say they are better off seeing how things could be, so when they see how things are now they recognize how utter shit it is.
yeah the problem is this doesn’t line up with the horror stories I’ve personally witnessed. Sudden, massive credit card charges. The problem can occur when kids aren’t spending their own money, they’re using their parents’, some way some how.
Regardless, kids are already surrounded by ads in every corner of life trying to convince them they need XYZ in exchange for money. I’d rather work to make the kid’s environment less consumerist, to give them a vision of how life could be.
If you give your kid access to your credit card you’re a fool. Those are parents who perhaps needed to learn some extra lessons in life.
The second the kid goes to school, they’re faced with every single fad anyway. It’s insanity. Everyone wants a croc, a Stanley, a labubu. My kids see the ads built in to the YouTubes, and they see it from friends, and I do my best to explain to them what’s happening.
And if they earn some money, or get birthday money, and they want to burn it on some nonsense, I explain to them what’s happening but ultimately give them some autonomy. And when the next thing comes along and they can’t spend money because they have none, they either learn or they don’t.
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 19:53
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Jokes on them. I hack games that have micro transactions and DLCs and make them entirely free. Even games I have paid for. My child hasn’t seen an ad or a micro transaction yet.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 Aug 22:25
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Can you elaborate a bit more on that? Most of the games with dlc or microtransaction stuff that I play have it all verified with some sort of online system (steam, mostly). What games are you hacking, and how?
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 22:59
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steam does not verify much by itself, its not made to be a strong security system. look up goldberg emu, cream api, etc. they work if the DLC content is not really downloadable, but already baked in just locked away behind a check
jaschen306@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Aug 09:22
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This.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 12:42
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and if the content is something to download, most of the time you can grab the clean steam files from a website of a russian counterstrike community and drop the files into your game install folder and then use the aforementioned tools.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
on 16 Aug 18:47
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This one dad wrote an article about introducing his kid to retro gaming, starting with the old Atari console and progressing through newer generations every few months.
A great read, thanks. I think you have posted this as a full post to this sub (perhaps repost it on a quiet day).
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 16 Aug 18:57
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I think the trick is to just let kids play what they want
as a kid I grew up with basically every generation of nintendo consoles up to the Wii U, as well as a PC (well, a mac really but whatever) and I turned out fine
i missed out on some of the big sensations of the moment, like fortnite or COD, but tbh I didn’t care, these games never interested me and they still don’t
I think the shared experience there is gaining most of your social interactions through an video game for a period of time during childhood. Its not always the same game and it doesnt even have to be online, but its the shared focal point among a group of people. Sort of like a coffee shop or park.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 19:09
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Nah… it’s okay. She won’t be out of touch. Nintendo is going to release these games for the Switch 2 for $80.
Except when that culture is full of predatory shit like microtransactions
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 17 Aug 02:13
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Yeah, kids shouldn’t be allowed to play Undertale, Armored Core 6, Baldur’s Gate 3, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy XVI, Hollow Knight, or Stardew Valley.
They’ll play shovelware and like it, just like we did!
There are plenty of great games today and horrible games from when we grew up (E.T. anyone?), the trick is to filter the good from the bad and show them what to watch out for.
That's the thing I did with my niece. She didn't get to watch many films growing up (she read a lot, listened to a lot of music, but her parents didn't really do films or TV so it wasn't much of a thing). As a teenager we started hanging out and I'd show her films that I thought that she'd enjoy and would be culturally important. Meanwhile I'd give her the rundown of "You can watch this, but I wouldn't bother. This one is good, the rest you can skip."
I like to think she's going off to uni with good memories of watching films with me. Hopefully I can do something similar for my recently arrived daughter.
blargh513@sh.itjust.works
on 16 Aug 23:10
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Also, forcing your kids to play your favorite old games assumes that your games were the best games.
They were fun in their day, but time moves on. Assuming that everything since you formed your opinions is inferior is some big boomer energy.
Let them find their own fun with their friends on their terms. Making your kids play your old crap with you is kinda sad.
I think Minecraft is boring as hell and I’m not gonna play it, but I’m not going to force my kids to play mega man 2 instead.
The VAST majority of that old stuff, the stuff that I remember so fondly, was only fun because it was the best we had.
My first game was Yars Revenge. By today’s standards, it’s about 30 seconds of entertainment.
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1. It was almost all single player taking turns.
Compared to even old current systems, there’s just no draw there and there’s no social aspects for them.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 21:05
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I think you’re missing a large piece of the puzzle here.
back between the 70s-90s you played games with friends in the room. you would mock and challenge each other to do better. Thatwas the game.
ᵃⁿᵈ ʸᵒᵘ ʲᵘˢᵗ ˡᵒˢᵗ ᶦᵗ
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 21:43
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My kid is almost 6 so he doesn’t really know modern games. For now he is totally into lemmings and the incredible machine 2. It’s fun because I played those games a lot and can easily help him when he is stuck.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 22:10
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Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1.
Maybe the original has this issue of being held back by overly punishing arcade inspired design, but I replayed Super Mario World recently and I think it holds up in this respect. You only need to get past the next checkpoint for your progress to be saved, and if you are running low on lives and don’t want to lose progress, there is the option of going back to previous levels to farm more lives and powerups. There are also semi-secret areas with buttons that put extra blocks into every level that make the game easier. For basically the first half of the game the only thing that’s really required to win is a small amount of impulse control, planning and patience, and it seems to deliberately work to teach you that stuff in various ways.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today
on 17 Aug 16:24
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I was really surprised how quick my kids fell in love with Super Mario 3(Super Mario All-stars).
Their cousin played the Switch version and my introduction led them to try and 100% all the classic 2D Super Mario games.
SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world
on 27 Aug 15:11
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Yeah, there’s less gold than we remember… but there is some.
I just cannot stand to play a lot of the PS1/N64 era of games these days. Modern shooters etc have rewired my brain too much for something like Metroid Prime or TimeSplitters.
Still, some classic do hold up, especially if you missed them the first time round and/or you can emulate them for quality of life improvements.
Telling my five-year-old that if they can beat Ecco the Dolphin in front of me I will take them out for ice cream, but I’m not sitting down to watch more often than once a week.
Gonna be honest, my brain farted while being flippant. “Financial exploitation” to refer to extracting robux from users. I used “slavery” to refer to uncompensated or undercompensated underage labor relating to development…
I’m worried about my dummy kids taking my credit card and buying microtransactions.
(We are not the same meme)
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 16 Aug 22:06
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There are plenty of games up to the PS3 era that every kid would do well to play at least once. Stuff that is objectively good, that aged well, or close enough.
The problem, as I see it, is that if they get too used to mobile games, they won’t have the patience for typical console or PC games, because those, on average, aren’t dopamine dispensers and won’t be rewarding every second click or button press - more importantly, they should NOT nag the player with cash shops.
Also important: limit the amount of games available - this is valid both for current and retro games. The moment you have “all the games” at your disposal, several things kick in: analysis paralysis, appeal to familiarity (will only play what you already know or someone knows), seeing no value in the games^[If, when you were small, you only had a limited selection of games, which was common during the cartridge era, you would be very careful with choosing new games to ask your parents to buy, though renting was an option to see which ones were good or not. You had to make do with the little you had. When you got bored with one, you either looked through your collection and played something else, or did something else entirely; you never threw away a game (unless it really sucked) and you never got a new game on a whim. That is good.].
Others mentioned the social aspect, which is true as well and something they just can’t experience nowadays anymore. Minecraft and Roblox are famous because they’re easy for kids to pick and play with friends. Back in our days, we had to physically sit beside one another and play together, or pass the controller on death; we also physically lent and traded games, so the games also had value within our little social circles. While fully digital games are extremely convenient, the “scarcity” gave them a social value that they completely lack today and which I suppose boardgames now fill out (yes, you can play them online, but playing on an actual table is almost always better)
i don’t think i’ve ever heard anyone call it “the ps3 era”.
RobotZap10000@feddit.nl
on 18 Aug 13:56
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Damn, I never knew that Markdown (or Lemmy idk) had footers!
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 18 Aug 16:15
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they’re pretty useful and neat in some contexts, also super easy, caret + brackets: caret after a word^[and all text in the brackets goes in the footnote]
SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world
on 27 Aug 15:06
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You’re not wrong about “freedom within limits” when
it comes to gaming imho. Having access to everything means you/they will play nothing. Witness my Steam library :/
But introducing artifical scarcity means you can curate the experience with them. Something small, bespoke and meaningful that you can bond over.
As the saying goes, you can never step in the same river twice, but you can point out the best spot for others.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 Aug 23:15
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I just let my sister have access to my Steam account and it’s turned out alright
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Aug 00:04
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make a steam family to share your games with friends
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 17:01
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Yeah that’s what we do. Steam family with my other friends too
Toneswirly@lemmy.world
on 16 Aug 23:30
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Cant force the shit, same with any culturally significant thing from your childhood. Think of it in reverse: if you aren’t willing to engage with their zeitgeist in good faith, how could you expect them to engage with yours?
I misread that as Mario Kart 64. That game is the apex of the genre.
alansuspect@aussie.zone
on 17 Aug 01:28
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I got a Miyoo Mini plus for mine, installed onionos and loads of games from internet archive. They love it, maybe one day I’ll set up my dusty wiiU but i only have Mario kart for it. Or some kind of minipc set up.
we are currently playing stardew valley and I don’t think harvest moon would hit as well, but maybe that’s an exception overall, they truly just enjoy hard simpler games like the classics are
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 11:18
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as if everybody gaming in the 90’s we were all in sync with each other. lol i was rocking pc win98 tie fighter, and old floppy disc knock off games/ sim city, one kid down the street, she had a Nintendo with 3 Disney games Aladdin, lion king etc, one had a Sega with zombies ate my neighbors, that paper boy game and some sanic. it was pure chaos even later when “everyone” had a ps1 everyone’s tastes were completely different. sure there were trends but nobody felt they were stuck in a outdated bubble like op is implying except for that Atari kid. only played pong, fuck that bubble kid neanderthal mutherfucker. lol
Oh what a memory! I remember I was playing Sonic the Hedgehog, where my best friend was playing Zelda Lttp and my crush was playing Doom on Win95.
And yeah, when PS1 came out, suddenly we were bringing our own controllers to play Tekken. And then once in a while, go to our one buddy’s house to Oogle Dead or Alive 2 on Dreamcast.
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 11:34
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Mario 64?
Ocarina of Time?
TurkishTurok?
Goldeneye?
This kid is about to meet one of the gaming gods.
Kid’ll be fine.
Besides, what super awesome lifestyle changing game is out right now that the kid will miss?
Ehhh, there’s a lot of crap on Roblox, but some of it isn’t bad. There’s just the obvious UI bullshit and constant spam to buy shit, but I take that opportunity to shit on people who do that so that my kids understand that’s a dirty practice.
My 16 year old understands that concept, my 10-year-old is policed by the 16 year old and has a 1 hour time limit anyway, my 8-year-old would actively look for things to break and buy and gamble because he falls into all of the traps the game creators make. So I installed retroarch on his tablet and he can play all the good games.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 17 Aug 14:50
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Turkish?
One of these things is not like the other... I tried to look this up and can't find it. My best guess is an autocorrected Turok?
I did this to myself because I only played games that my gpu could perform and that was the reason why pretty much all of the games I play are pre 2010.
The 1080 was a factory freak. I used mine forever, I want to say from a 2015 build as well.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Aug 16:38
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Same with my 1070. He’ll, even my wife’s 970 is running strong. Can either of them play at max? Unlikely. But my wife is able to play just about anything, if at the lowest setting.
I mean I get like 40 fps in cs2 with all low and fsr on performance but on 1440p lowering to 1080 imoroved itby about 5 fps, I tested it with an another rx 580 and it is the same.
I’d love someone to make a modern foldable smartphone in the shape of a 3ds. With the controls and everything, and a stylus. But also cellular capabilities and a modern camera system. Most of all, a chip that can emulate the 3ds. Would be even cooler if one eventually came out that can emulate the Wii U.
Ayaneo Flip DS exists but is ludicrously expensive
agent_nycto@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 14:30
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Why so salty about a dad sharing his interests and stuff from his life with his kid? She can play other games too.
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 17:49
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You are fun! Happily to be blocked :) but why is everyone mad at you? Jks no one’s mad they just tapping a screen breathing air and have no real concerns about you or I. But what did you mean to get the minus points?
I have supported windows infrastructure since the early 90s and I can guaran-fucking-tee you there are few people on the planet who hate windows more than me
And before you make another one of your ridiculous assumptions, about 2/3rd of the infrastructure I have been personally responsible for are running linux
This also contradicts what you initially said.
Show me, I’m SO fucking tired of this
ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 01:36
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I genuinely wonder why you said “fuck Linux” if you claim it was “pointing out a flaw”.
I was generalizing the fact I criticize every OS I support, not making the claim that ‘fuck linux’ is in any way a critical examination
I say ‘fuck linux’ for a multitude of reasons, all of which when posted earn me literal WEEKS of comment stalking that the mods and admins refuse to address, so I have kind of stopped.
Since you have been the only level headed voice in this tread I will give you two of my main reasons:
Lack of cohesive anything really. Every distro is so functionally distinct that solutions working on one are not even available for another even closely related distro. Different package managers, different BASH implementations, different print managers. None of which really offer a significant advantage and most are just vanity projects. I think this is the primary reason there will never be broad deskop adoption.
Secondly, the community has been ridiculously toxic to anyone but other enthusiasts since the mid 90s at least, with a seriously undeserved air of superiority for the most flimsy of reasons. There isn’t a single fuckdamn thread on lemmy where people make a complaint about windows where a dozen fucking lincucks don’t dive in to roost and cackle
I have four more and I’m done wasting my time on people who can’t understand what I write.
ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 01:53
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I just noticed that you also got banned from several communities for writing uncivil comments.
my man, my only experience with your comments is this very thread, and that’s all I need to know that your bans were justified. Your ban from this community is going to be justified too.
Angry_Autist@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 02:55
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Die alone and forgotten
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Aug 07:42
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“No I’m not angry, the mod was wrong in removing my comments. Btw die alone and forgotten.”
You’re really proving the point of everyone around you.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Aug 07:43
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He claims the mod removing them was wrong, and then proves them right in the same timeframe. Normal behavior.
ScienceGuy722@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 18:08
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Your ban from this community is going to be justified too.
You’re goddamn right! 😆
LucidLyes@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 17:01
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You are just giving your kids more options, most don’t have that choice and can only play whatever launches for phones or switch.
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 17:45
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Phones, tablets other portable devices are where this generation is at. There is a question of when you give your child access to brain rot materials. Assuming they are above 12 in this situation, they are already in touch with the general status quo of digital entrainment. The ego they will gain and cool points in the future is unknown but working in Education I feel students with a boarder background make for Better Humans. In the UK most public spaces like community centre or library, school will always have computer relics in a cupboard. A good Gamer will seek these out even if they don’t have a dad, which is maybe the reason they are there…
macncheese@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 17:40
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A well made game knows no age limits! My kiddo was super into the original mario when we showed it to him. I would have thought it would look dated, but he doesn’t know!
Today’s kids have the benefit that insanely amazing graphics in huge budget games is commonplace, pixel art is a popular visual style that has new games coming out all the time, and janky homemade graphics with visual glitches (essentially memes in game format) are also popular thanks to everything from garry’s mod recordings to platforms like Roblox where a million people make their own goofy little games.
So if I take my 3rd grader though some gaming history, starting at least from the NES era where you have decent resolution, smooth scrolling, and numerous colors, things are not instantly dated like we olds might expect.
I could fire up Super Mario Bros, TIE Fighter, Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, Symphony of the Night, VVVVVV, or Elden Ring, and I honestly don’t think any of them would get a particularly positive or negative reaction based on visual fidelity. It’s just a question of whether it looks like the type of gameplay he is into. Even with the obviously popular chunky Minecraft/Roblox look, he’s draw to it because it’s a popular style that he likes. If I comment about how ooh they updated the Xbox version to 4K rendering, or look at the crazy stuff I can do with the draw distance in the Java version on Linux, he does not give any fucks. It’s the command line and the mods that let us do wacky things that are actually entertaining.
DiskCrasher@lemmy.world
on 17 Aug 18:04
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When I was young my parents encouraged me to watch Marx Brothers, Three Stooges, and Abbott & Costello. These are easy things for children to watch because the physical comedy is universal.
As I got older my love for them remained, but also it gave me a love for media from any age. So long as it’s done reasonably I think this sort of thing can be quite enriching.
I experienced something simmilar. Authors, comedians and actors were mostly from our or neighbouring states, and man were they brilliant. In my case it was rather a kind of comedy, that was heavily relying on spoken word, but those guys really knew their craft.
I do plan to start my sons on retro games starting when they’re about 4 years old. They’ll basically get an abridged experience of some of the best games from each generation.
They should be on modern games by the time they’re old enough for it to matter in terms of relating to their peers. And it’s not like I’d say “no” if they said their friends wanted to play a particular game with them just because it’s from the “wrong” generation.
I’m also not going to force the issue if they just aren’t receptive to it. Everyone has different interests.
I assumed my kids would love games, but they’re just not that interested. I got my six-year-old obsessing over one of the UFO 50 games, at least until she couldn’t progress any further, but for the most part toys are just way more exciting.
My little guy just started Mario Paint this week and he’s loving it. He’s not reading yet so a game with easy symbols and painting is age appropriate. Plus that fly game is getting him a lot of practice learning how to use a computer mouse.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 17 Aug 20:20
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Yes! On the SNES switch online thing? My 3 y/o has been loving it too, especially after finding the rocketship eraser.
Yep! Our favourite now is creating and saving our own stamps.
thearch@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Aug 02:29
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out of touch? more like saving her from the absolute garbage fire that passes for ‘games’ these days. she’ll actually learn what a good game is. this dad’s doing god’s work.
as a kid a never played the same games as my friends, and since that’s all they would talk about i was pretty distant from the group, also that guys daughter looks like she’s old enough to rent a property and just buy her own games.
(but all those old games really are better than what we have now)
idiomaddict@lemmy.world
on 18 Aug 08:27
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My favorite musical artists as a child (90s) were John Denver; Peter, Paul, and Mary; the Beatles; and Cream. I didn’t ever get into boy bands, but I can sing along to the absolute biggest spice girl hits.
That was only really a hindrance in elementary school because in middle school I branched out into more contemporary musicians. Now, I’ve got a lot more knowledge about the 70s in music than most of my peers, but I’m not isolated from the things my peer group likes (I will lose my shit to Mr. Brightside or Yeah by Usher if I’m drunk, but I definitely will as well for anything from Carole King’s Tapestry)
SuspciousCarrot78@lemmy.world
on 27 Aug 07:23
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Guilty? No.
Proud? Yes!
My kids be vibing of Super Mario Sunshine, Go Vacation, Warioware.
My eldest (7) tried to explain some of these games to a friend the other day, with “They’re good for your brain!”.
You should have seen how perplexed her friend was with the Wii controls.
The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
on 27 Aug 12:35
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Raising them right.
The Sunshine music is burned into my brain from my eldest playing it daily for the past couple of months.
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The game itself too… I had no idea!
I joke that with Gecko codes enabled (to fix the horrendous inverted controls), plus unlimited FLUDD (jet back) and fast running, you basically end up with the world’s cutest Just Cause clone, except with chill vibes.
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You can’t replace the Roblox and Fortnite, you can only hope to supplement them.
Correct, it’s about giving them a wider perspective. Also I’m teaching them that scummy games that push micro transactions on you with manipulative shit should be avoided, or at least being conscious about their manipulative shit. In the end you can’t make them not play Minecraft, but there is a difference between Java and Bedrock
This is the right way to do it. Don't try to prevent your kids from enjoying what they want to play, don't forcibly alienate them from the cultural zeitgeist that will connect them to their peers. But if you can get them to develop a wider palate with an appreciation for titles both old and new, that's a positive.
I did try to get a nephew to play pokemon fire red (emulated on a tablet), he found it really boring 😅
Gotta think of another game that plays fine on a tablet and maybe isn’t as boring
I'm not really surprised. There's so many papercuts in those games. I've not played a Pokémon games since Black/White but even then, ugh, such a slog. They're really good at sucking all the momentum out of things, sadly.
I played Blue when I was about 12 and the appeal was mostly that there wasn't anything on a handheld that had anywhere near as much content. Link's Awakening is a better game but it's not that long, etc..
Shit this is what I’m doing. My kids are nuts about the niche indie games I play. My son has crazy good skills for Super Meat Boy and Super Hexagon.
The other one loves Mario games from the 3DS.
Is really super meat boy "niche" anymore, lol.
A real hidden gem
Yes. It was a big fish in a small pond when it came out, compared to where indies were at back then. And where indies were back then was a niche. I'd say it's largely been forgotten compared to the most popular indie hits today.
Also: in the context of this meme, it will put my son out of touch with his generation. None of his peers are going to have heard of this.
Not really, all games age. But niche games also exist, it’s not fair to them to classify a classic as niche when stuff like shadowveil exists
today it’s probably less niche than the n64.
I am “guilty” of showing my daughter classic movies including some black and white ones.
I think everyone should watch those, it is like studying the life and culture of the past.
As for games, my partner does not allow gaming at all.
I truly think stuff like this is important. Developing an appreciation and personal connection to cultural touchstones of the past is like a history lesson and familiarizes you with the life experiences of your parents/grandparents/etc.
Gotta educate them on pop culture so they can understand the memes.
Season 1 of Mister Rogers Neighborhood and I love Lucy also come to mind.
I play a kind of bingo in my head when I show my kids old stuff. Just tally up “thats from fortnite”
I like to recommend Gold Diggers of 1933 to people who say they don’t like old movies.
I’ll take a look. Thanks.
My favorite is Metropolis (1927).
Also a classic. Gold Diggers has top not h shit talking and young Ginger Rogers singing in pig latin. Gave me a huge crush.
My five year old loves On The Town with Gene Kelly and Frank Sinatra.
What? I’m curious to hear why. Gaming has shown to increase hand eye coordination, better thinking and logical skills, and if you go for non-electronic gaming it can help a person develop social skills by interacting with others.
A blanket ban on gaming just seems short sighted, rather than teaching them rights and wrongs around playing and overplay
That seems like something that should be a discussion rather than an edict
Weird. Do they hate videogames in general or what? Because a number of games can teach “choices have consequences” really well. Maybe put them to play Outer Wilds, I hear it’s one hell of an experience to dive into without knowing anything
“Cool” uncle (citation needed), did expose kids to games released 2 to 3 decades before their time occasionally.
I was a bit surprised that even rough 8-bit sprite graphics can capture their interest. An 8 year old trying to make sense of the pixelly mess that’s a Metroid creature sprite can be funny.
Counterpoint:
The reason they will be out of touch is that they will have better impulse control and better spending habits than kids raised on modern games with their FOMO MTX and gacha bullshit.
So basically, actual ‘nerds’ are rasing another generation of ‘nerds’, except this time, nerds 2.0 will probably actually be more socially intelligent than the brain dead zombies being raised on fornite, roblox and tiktok, who have negative attention spans and cannot fathom the concept of doing any actual thought-work, when chatgpt can just do their homework for them.
They’ll also be more tech savvy, like being exposed to or having to learn at least some of how emulation works, which kinda de facto makes you understand things like a file structure, which an increasing number of kids (now adults too) raised on modern mobile UIs… have no clue about.
Oh, they’ll also likely just be generally more literate.
Yeah the nerds usually find themselves in very powerful social circles if they survive school. Circles of emotionally mature experts with strong careers.
Kids’ needs are of course very important, but abandoning engaging hobbies in favor of some phantom desire to fit in is dumb.
You’re assuming they’ll be hired and promoted by emotionally mature people.
You’re not kidding about file structure. I haven’t got a fucking clue how to do it with phones. Every thing is just “in here somewhere” and it’ll pray the search feature can find it when I eventually locate the file browser.
I miss my PC
Due to circumstances, I’ve had to emulate more on phones. You very much can figure out the file structure so long at its Android (and 9 times out of 10 shit is just in the download folder). I swear my wife’s iPhone is a little black box, though.
IIRC modern iOS ships with a file manager. The black box used to be even worse!
iPhone bitch here
Yeah we absolutely have a file manager!
And where might I find the files saved by an application?
“Files”
Most apps aren’t visible there on an iPad. When connected to a computer other folders are visible instead but I was never able to get all of them.
you mean to tell me the patient zero of enshittification was fucking trash? No, really??
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The whole fucking movement happened the second they rolled out the fashion adverts for fucking ipods that required itunes to scatter your files into a zillion folders for no fucking reason and people went “yeah, I don’t give a shit about owning my device or data”
Then came the walled garden, then the shitty apps, then the perpetual surveilance machines.
Now I literally cannot avoid having a phone since work , citizenship and banking two factor authentications are mandatory and on my phone. Fuck sake.
Walled garden i remember from the 90s.
Do yourself a favor and install a FOSS file manager system, if you can / its not too much trouble on your particular phone.
Basicslly every phone OS goes out of their way to make their particular file browsing app batcrap overcomplicated and unintuitive if you want to do anything other than exactly what they want you do do.
Which is usually sync everything on your phone to their cloud and your account.
I am running a sort of jerry rigged, half baked, de goodled android, … basically I have torn out, replaced or disabled everything I can without root, but left in play store and core g services so i can actually still use it for common apps… done the best I can to lock down everything to its bare minimim privelege set, never use a big ole shared account for anything, everything is a separate, old school email account.
In a certain way, probably me neither. I use ls, df, md5sum, cp, mv, rsync, tar, gzip, gpg, vim, touch and mkdir in Termux (terminal emulator for Android). For example, say I am replacing MP3 for FLAC. I really like to keep the timestamps of when I added the specific song, but I can’t find any better way than
touch -r oldfile.mp3 newfile.flacBut I also use FX File explorer for certain tasks, as it thankfully keeps timestamps. I absolutely hate how moving photos in Google Photos updates the modified timestamp to the date of when the file was moved. Why?
And I also have an ancient version of ES File explorer, version 4.0.2.3. Before it enshittified.
But I am not sure whatever that is installable from within the device, or it’s old enough to require
adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block app.apklike some other old apps I use.Anyway, I have no idea what’s going on with iPhones and files, or whether that’s a non-existent concept there.
You’re in a virtualized container that only exposes some directories, also those directories are mostly hidden from you, also within this container you generally don’t have any permissions to them, and also every application completely obfuscates it’s folder access via some file access API.
It’s crazy to me how hard consumers got fucked right from the start on phone software and how normalized we are to it.
It’s mainly done for security reasons, but yes it is not the most friendly way of doing things.
I agree with you, though… it’s definitely good for the general population as a whole. Tech savvy peeps should have the option to…be, but most folks should not have root access.
If it was primarily done for security then it was a massive fucking failure. But I believe that security was a secondary concern.
What reason do you think? Also what makes you think it was a failure? Seems pretty successful to me.
The app store and permission model hasn’t stopped malicious code from making it onto users devices. So if security was the concern, I’d say that’s a failure. But I think the primary concern was control. Control by manufacturers (And eventually, thereby states) of what people see and do on their phone. Make sure they have to pay for access to features. Easily surveil what they do.
Security is very often the excuse for control.
Your confusing different parts of the system here, and showing a lack of understanding of the security and privacy concepts involved.
Stopping malicious apps is not the point of the permissions model or of the file structure. It’s meant to restrict what malicious apps can do, not prevent them from being installed. It applies to side loaded apps just as much as ones from the play store. Malicious code ending up on users devices does not make that system a failure, as that was never the aim.
As for spying, the permissions model makes that harder as apps can’t just access all the files made by the other apps. These kinds of mechanisms also exist on desktop Linux via flatpak and snapcraft for similar reasons. Mandatory and discretionary access control is important for both security and privacy. The two are not at odds here, they are in fact very much aligned.
The app store part is separate and not at all what was being discussed. That is meant to stop malicious apps from getting onto devices. In the case of Apple this is definitely also about control, but android has always allowed third party apps and sideloading.
Google’s own services and Apple’s own services are part of the OS and potentially have access to things others don’t so can very much engage in spying. That could be said of any Android manufacturer with their own ROM. You can do whatever you want if you made the ROM, android permissions model be damned.
Sorry, I thought you were the kind of person who could handle a little casual disagreement. I don’t mind that you think security was the primary purpose of phone OS app land, and I definitely wouldn’t presume you arrived at that assessment from ignorance as you’re a stranger who I don’t know and that would be both foolish and needlessly insulting. But everything I’ve watched phone companies do over the past 20 years demonstrates to me that a desire for control was the main intent. You don’t have to agree, in fact I think it’s silly to spend all day debating it because it really is a subjective matter.
What makes you think I can’t handle disagreement? If If think someone is using shaky reasoning I am allowed to call them out, and use my actual knowledge on the subject to defend my point.
I am not saying google or apple have the best of intentions. They don’t and that’s why I use GrapheneOS.
Sandboxing is generally a good thing so long as it’s done in a transparent way that can be controlled by the user. Hence the popularity of flatpaks, AppArmor and why GrapheneOS has even stricter sandboxing options than stock android. Walled garden ecosystems aren’t good, and neither is spying. Apple is guilty of both of those, with google being guilty of the latter. You’re painting all of these distinct things with the same brush even though they are basically cross purposes to each other. Different mechanisms are made for different reasons. The current state of mobile is the result of more than one decision made with different aims in mind. I am not saying that security is the primary consideration for all of these, certainly telemetry wasn’t added for security reasons. Just that it’s not as simple as you want to think. Nuances exist.
This is not subjective either. Someone somewhere will know the actual reasons these decisions were made. Even though we don’t know the exact thought process behind them, we can still reason about what these mechanisms do and are useful for. Android itself is open source and these mechanisms are reviewed by other security researchers. You’re just saying that to get out of the leg work of actually understanding the nuts and bolts of this stuff and what is and isn’t supporting the end user.
With android the default file thing is integrated with cloud. The version of files that was local only like a real operating system is in there somewhere but not something a user can access on demand. So it’s literally not ‘in here somewhere’ anymore.
I had to find a third party tool on f.droid.
Never discount the sheer volume of text and dialog contained in the average mid-90s JRPG!
4 CDs of text to be read!! Though I’ll gladly replay the 2 CDs of Chrono Cross for the beautiful graphics, music and characters.
Apples and oranges.
'90s equivalent to “them goshdang tiktoks and fortnites” isn’t Half-Life and Ocarina of Time, it’s Television. The Simpsons or DBZ. Or those awful “classic” animated shows from the '80s that were designed from the ground up to be toy ads. “Impulse control” my ass, most of y’all were glued up to the TV screen like a moth to a lamp and only got consumption impulses out of it. Calling young people “brain dead zombies” is such an “old man yells at cloud” moment, look at yourself.
There’s more culture than ever being created now thanks to the incredibly lower barrier to entry. There are more incredible microtransaction-less indie games made in the last 10 years than the exhaustive library of most gaming consoles back then. Celeste, Outer Wilds, Expedition 33, Baldur’s Gate 3, Tunic…
The existence of slop is a constant across generations, and clinging to an idealized past is such a foolish endeavor, and will cause you to lose out on so much relevant cultural discourse happening right now. How many classic video games from the '90s might a queer kid growing up nowadays look up to? How many?? How many had, oh, I don’t know, a goddamn female protagonist? And don’t say that Samus counts. What a lame-ass culture to let our daughters grow up in.
I mean, as a 90s kid, and tech dork… yeah, I largely did drop TV almost entirely, in favor of console and pc gaming, and exploring the early public internet on a 56k modem.
I would imagine most tech dorks of the era did as well?
Like, as soon as I learned how to block ads on the internet, then later on youtube, as well as uh, obtain audio visual media without cost… I did that regularly, never looked back, began to actually not be able to stand TV due to ads everywhere all the time.
And yep, I am still calling anyone who watches ads for anything, anyone who buys into incredibly exploitative business models that waste your time, money, or both, yep, I’ve been calling them idiot consumer zombies since the 90s, consistently.
You are right that there are more non bs indie games now. That is great! That is good.
Are more games more diverse now?
Yes! Also good.
… But I’ve had basically the same opinions on all this since the 90s, I am not rembering an idealized past, I am one of the nerds thats been this way the whole damn time.
They call Gen Z the digital native generation, but this omits the ubernerd Millenials such as myself (and others from other generations) who forged the way, who were early adopters from a young age, who were digital visionaries that forged the path before the ecosystems got to be more user friendly, more accessible, more mainstream.
Like uh, without potentially doxxing myself, of those indie games you list?
Yeah, I know a few people on one of those game’s dev teams, personally, met them online when I was first like like 13, back when multiplayer games had server browsers with private custom servers, some of those also had their own websites and forums, all we had for voice comms was ventrilo… I met these people way back, have regularly voice chatted and gamed with them for… 20 years?
I myself have been modding (as in making mods) for that long as well, I literally taught myself how to code so that I could do it, before I got out of high school, before any high school offered coding classes, before Adobe bought out Macromedia, and flash games on Newgrounds were all the rage.
Not to try to gatekeep nerddom with some kind of official checklist you have to measure up against, but I think you are considerably underestimating the potential nerdiness of a lot of really dedicated nerds from that era, and thus writing them off as ‘old men yelling at clouds’… when we’ve been yelling at those same clouds since we were kids, then we went on to actually implement the changes we deemed necessary, as best as we could when up against the corporate and financial behemoths constructed by Boomers.
My public high school in Southern California had programming class in the late 1970’s. Nerds been nerding for a bit. Now if you’ll excuse me, I gotta yell at some clouds, now where did I leave my onion belt…
You do realize that is/was extremely uncommon, right?
Not to argue against your nerddom, I’m sure you are, and of course nerds have been nerding for quite a long time, but uh, you won the time and place birth lottery to be a Boomer born into prime recruiting territory for Silicon Valley, IBM probably directly paid for that class.
Programming, actual courses in writing code… beyond maybe basic HTML… were basically unheard of in US public k-12 schools untill like, the late 2000s at best, more like 2010s.
You were in the right place at the right time to be able to recieve formal nerd training in a public high school in the 70s.
Yes a privileged place and time.
Nerds v Normies?
With respect
Gaming peaked with the Wii, LOL
That’s a weird way to spell “Super Nintendo”.
That’s a weird way to spell “Nintendo Entertainment System”.
That’s a weird way to spell “Sticks & Stones”
Stick and hoop beats stick and stones any day.
That’s a weird way to spell “486 DX66 with a Super VGA card and a Sound Blaster 16”.
i’m totally biased because i grew up in that era, but it’s my favorite console and i’m currently combing through my backlog of wii games i’ve bought over the years or never beat as a kid. sooo many hidden gems! it’s so cheap to find good games for, it’s a great beginner console
I had a chipped Wii during uni and so we (flatmates + me) downloaded and burned a vast ocean of Wii games.
I don't really see it as the peak of gaming. There's a few good games, like SMG 1 & 2, but I'd be hard pressed to name more than ten exclusives worth revisiting. So much shovelware and low quality ports.
I feel this is exactly the same as boomers who raised thier kids on exclusively 70 and 80s “classic” rock.
I do have a fondness for old rock/metal from that era too and am pretty happy with it, so maybe that's a green light!
Shit, my parents were boomers and raised me on 50s and 60s music. The oldest boomers would’ve been 35 in 1980.
All that said, nothing wrong with listening to music from the past. Most popular classical music was written well over a century ago. I personally love music from the 40s. My son gets an earful representing every decade
Turns on classic rock station and Green Day is playing. Oh… Huh, yeah I’m not sure I’m ready for this, finds new channel.
The youngest boomers were born in 1964, so they’d be in thier late 20s at the end of the 80’s. Which were my parents.
I also dont think there’s anything wrong with exposing your kids to older media, which was my point. Your kids will seek out new media without you, so giving them a foundation of things that came before helps expand thier knowledge base.
like 90% of my active games library is 2009 or older. that’s not to say i don’t give modern games a shot. they just don’t stick around like the old ones do most of the time. exceptions are, like, Path of Exile 2; which for all intents and purposes plays like a game designed prior to 2009 🤣
so yeah, my kids definitely prefer the older stuff too. plus, i mean, what kid doesn’t play the shit out of minecraft or roblox today anyway (2009 and 2004 respectively)?
You’re confusing Gen X and the boomers. Boomers were ~1948-64, making the youngest boomers 61 today.
I got Commodore C128 as my first computer when rest of the world was solidly running Pentiums. That had to be around 1997 or something. That might explain my “acquired” taste in games.
Yeah, if she plays an N64, she won’t be exposed to any popular series from today, and will instead play things like Mario Kart, The Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong, Smash Bros., and Pokémon.
Yeah but (with the exception of Pokémon) the graphics have moved on a bit
Stop this slander
The N64 Pokémon games aren’t that bad
Not being in the average isn’t necessarily bad, just a bit different. And intolerant jerks will find you being different no matter how much the same you are compared to them.
meh, maybe one AAA game a year is worth buying, old or indie games are way better
I was trying to look to see what AAA games come out in 2025, and I think I saw one most parents would agree is fine for younger kids. Maybe the lists I’m finding are aimed at me though.
Gears of War, Ninja Gaiden, Death Stranding, GTA 6, Doom, Assasins Creed, Metal Gear Solid, Elden Ring, Ghost of Yotel, Borderlands, Mafia, Dying Light, Silent Hill and
Sonic Racing.
So depending on the parents I would say 13 AAA Games for 10+ year olds, and 1 for Younger than 10 year olds. (Note I said most parents, some are obviously fine letting youger kids play more). Elden Ring might make it 2, but I really don’t know much about that game.
Elden Ring isn’t overly gore-y or anything (though some cutscenes could be considered a bit much for children), but I have a feeling most children trying to play it would find it way too frustrating and difficult and put it down. I’m of the opinion that Elden Ring is only as hard as you make it, but that’s assuming you’re somewhat decent or comfortable playing video games. I could give my wife the most over powered character possible but she wouldn’t be able to beat Margit (first real boss of the game for most people) because she would struggle to even control the character properly. If you’re giving the game to a kid under 10, they probably only have a few years of gaming knowledge and likely won’t be proficient enough in general gaming knowledge to git gud. That’s just my opinion though, I may be way off.
Yeah I had a hard time questioning in my head if I had kids what age Assassin’s creed games were fine. I was going to say 10 was fine, but then remembered the whole premise was killing people, so I imagine to me it would be kid specific. That said, when I was younger than 10 it was the 90s so I have little to compare it to except maybe Tenchu, which was a lot of fun to me when I was 9 or 10, but things have gotten a little bit more graphic today I imagine.
I wasn’t allowed to play violent video games as a kid, but the other kids on my street were, so when it was too miserable outside for playing road hockey or shooting each other with toy guns or whatever, we’d play whatever games they had (a lot of Halo especially). Halo CE was my first ever video game, and it never scarred me or anything, and I turned out fine. Obviously everyone’s different and YMMV.
Most of the people buying and playing video games are over the age of 16. Since M-rated games sell the most, it’s not that surprising to see so many new M-rated games.
Spiderman 2: I solely play as Peter Parker. My daughter solely plays as Miles Morales. I wish the game was 2 player.
Minecraft: my daughter watches the YouTube videos yet somehow I’m the one who got us diamond armor. Go figure.
Super Mario Odyssey: She always makes me Mario and she’s a good cappy.
She’s not even remotely athletic but she’s brainy and is pretty popular with her friends. Go figure.
Games back then were made to be games. Games now are made to be addicting. Honestly I think it’s a good idea to stick to the old school games for as long as possible.
One thing about old games (pre n64), is that you don’t have to worry about controlling the camera. Younger kids like 5 or so have a hard time enough time timing button presses so making them also have to figure out how to control the camera is very frustrating for them. Isometric, top down, and point and clicks work best for younger kids.
I also think the super Nintendo controller is the best for children and people with small hands. 8bitdo makes a good modern one with more buttons and triggers so you can play modern games.
I was thinking about picking that controller up. My 3 y/o has been using a pro controller, and it seems too big.
I think Guitar Hero was a good investment for my kids, as they came to love all the classics I grew up on.
Ooh, I hope that works for my daughter when she's old enough for it to be relevant. I've got a wall of instruments - some real, some game controllers, and some combination game/MIDI controllers.
You’re in for a fun evening. Let her pick up a peripheral and she might stick with it long enough to actually learn the real thing. That’s how Rock Band drums got me playing a real kit.
Excellent! I've got the drums and mic but I don't keep those in a ready state at the mo'.
Being really good at guitar hero was the final motivating push I needed to actually learn real guitar. Today I enjoy being a consistently mediocre casual guitarist.
Playing the crap out of Guitar Hero with my friends ages ago is one of my most cherished memories, your daughter is in for a treat.
It could also serve as a cool way to bridge past and present since Fortnite now has a GH gamemode, made by the original creators of GH and Rockband
Oh that's fun!
My daughter is a few weeks old so we're in for a bit of a wait, but we'll see where we land on video games as she gets older. Being able to rock out as a family (+tribe) sounds wonderful.
My 3yos two favorite games are Mario 64 and Rhythm Heaven (in literally any form, but 3ds most approachable). The latter is especially funny that the 1yo is getting in on the references; “Wabba dubba dubba, that true?” and they both go “Un.” Might be a Halloween costume in the making.
And don’t get her started on those Rock and Roll frogs.
I'm not familiar with Rhythm Heaven, but Mario 64 (and Sunshine) has been a big hit in our house too.
The simplicity of the mini games make Rhythm Heaven easy to understand, mostly pushing A or B with proper timing. Mario 64 by contrast they’re just excited to find butterflies or make it to a door, moving and jumping at the same time is more hand eye coordination than my 3yo has atm.
Battletoads? Or is that something from Rhythm Heaven?
That’s amazing lol
Honestly this is how my parents(‘ generation) got me into gaming, pre-NES, because I was playing their games on Atari and Intellivision. I don’t know if it was the NES’s marketing or what that made people associate video games = for kids, but they were all in their 20s at the time and they had a blast with that stuff. Actually now that I think about it my grandma was mean at Burger Time back in the day.
we would ALL sit around and play mario on sunday nights. mom and dad too when they were home. TF is this gaming is just kids shit
Duh, fun is only for children. Adults must be productive to produce profit.
Collared shirts only.
Sorry, but that wasn’t a complete sentence, so I’m going to have to deduct you 10 Adult Points. You are now legally a minor until you can pay the fine of not more than fifty million US dollars.
I'm not allowed to travel to the US without being accompanied by an adult, fortunately. Wait, damnit!
Lmao of course you’re a gamer. Makes sense considering the negative IQ
if only we could all be big brains like you tranes.
There are people who grew up with game but are well rounded and sociable. It depends entirely on the person and the type of environment they grew up in.
I don’t think that’s what the image is suggesting. More like the kid might be culturally “out of touch” with their generation’s gaming because they play old games instead.
Like, you know, everyone’s talking about Fortnite and Brawl Stars and whatever mobile game is trending right now and they’re like, yesterday I got Fierce Deity in Majora’s Mask.
It’s a bit silly a concern honestly. They’ll take whatever they like in the end, and if that makes them the weird kid, well, that’s how they are, and they’ll survive. Been there, done that.
the first time i ever played video games was on a ps1… in 2009. we didn’t have a lot of money back then and all we had was my dad’s old playstation. he mostly played resident evil and similar games before he had kids; you can’t give preschoolers resident evil unless you want to traumatize them, so i spent hours playing gran turismo and a handful of arcade games on that thing until we got a wii in 2011. this began a trend of our family waiting until the end of a console’s life cycle to purchase it until i got old enough to buy my own consoles. now my parents wonder why i spend my money on old games instead of buying new ones…
My favorite part of the PSP/PS3 era was that they made so many direct ports of PS1 games on the digital store. So I got to experience a lot of old games I wouldn’t have been able to otherwise for dirt cheap.
Plus I could take them on the go and swap my save files easily with my PSP.
I feel ya. I scraped the money together to pay for half of a nintendo 64 for my christmas gift around 2001. I bought a used PS2 in 2017. Garage sales are great for finding a system with a lot to got with it.
Similar story here, just with my dad’s SNES around that same time. Mainly played link to the past, as it was the only game we had for a bit, but we bought a couple others (super Mario world, where in the world is Carmen San Diego, ms pac man) on eBay later on. Both myself and my dad’s old save states are still on the cartridge last I checked.
Then we got a Wii around 2013 when my uncle was upgrading to Wii U, we got a PS2 slim from my grandparents (to play DDR with these terrible dance pads we never ended up using much), and I got a 3ds xl for my (12th?) birthday. That 3ds was the only console I got when it was even remotely new, and I have moved on to pc games ever since (at least for newer titles). My brother has continued collecting retro games, and has added an Atari 2600, a sega genesis, and my dad’s NES to the collection. Currently, the Wii, PS2, and 3DS have been softmodded and are still used fairly regularly.
It’s probably affected my taste in video games too - I get mostly old stuff or indie titles.
This will be me when I have children and I am not sorry.
I’ll help them build that foundational understanding of what games were and then if they still wanna play the modern bs, they can.
Good. May they learn to never preorder.
i caught my 5yo playing golden eye the other day and i was not disappointed!
MOO2 from my dad and original Xcom games
We have a whole retro game station complete with CRT that they can play. They love Mario, Duck Hunt, some of the other games and are now gravitating to Gameboy, SNES and PS One. They like the Switch too, but usually go for the older stuff first.
Yeah, because the 90s were awesome. Seriously. It’s where all the cool stuff happened. Then 9/11 happened. And everything has sucked since.
This is the responsible way to raise a child on video games IMO. Modern games have predatory practices like microtransactions.
The look on her face says everything to me though.
Well, what about this: Early exposure to the shithead practices of modern gaming can enable children to more easily identify what’s good and what’s just trying to take money from them.
I dunno.
Most kids aren’t discerning about those kinds of things.
That’s why I slam that shit home all the time. Robux are a scam. YouTubers are just selling to you. If it has ads it’s not worth watching. Just repeat that every day to the kids and they’re good to go.
The message they will take away is “the things my parents approve of” and “the things that are really cool and fun” are disjoint categories. IDK, I’m not a parent, I don’t want to deal with that. Just thinking about my own childhood here, and the kids of people I know.
When my kids ask why some company does something I always answer “greed”
The problem is that kids dont make or have money. Its like burning their hand the first time, they need to attempt to pay for their own lives fully at least once to really understand it. I think its fair to restrict these types of things to mature rated games as a general rule.
You could argue the other way around - growing up with decent and non-predatory practices makes you less tolerant of when companies try to extort you because you already know what “good” looks like.
I’m sure the corpos would love nothing more than kids getting exposed to predatory practices from a young age so they grow up feeling those things are acceptable and normal.
Drag thinks we should expose kids to a safe environment most of the time, and to little bits of predatory design in contexts that make them easy to identify. Like a vaccine.
“Dad, how do I put armour on my horse?”
“You need to grow up and get a job and a credit card for that.”
“That sucks, I hate Oblivion! I want to go back to Morrowind!”
“It’s okay buddy, I pirated the Oblivion remaster. Let’s play that instead.”
My kids didn’t see an ad connected to videos until the youngest was about 7 (outside of a movie theater, at least). When they first saw them, they were flabbergasted about what they were or why people would just sit there watching them, and absolutely refuse to put up with them. I’d say they are better off seeing how things could be, so when they see how things are now they recognize how utter shit it is.
This is amazing. Good job! I wish more people were like this. Apparently São Paulo in Brazil has no ads at all.
yeah the problem is this doesn’t line up with the horror stories I’ve personally witnessed. Sudden, massive credit card charges. The problem can occur when kids aren’t spending their own money, they’re using their parents’, some way some how.
Regardless, kids are already surrounded by ads in every corner of life trying to convince them they need XYZ in exchange for money. I’d rather work to make the kid’s environment less consumerist, to give them a vision of how life could be.
If you give your kid access to your credit card you’re a fool. Those are parents who perhaps needed to learn some extra lessons in life.
The second the kid goes to school, they’re faced with every single fad anyway. It’s insanity. Everyone wants a croc, a Stanley, a labubu. My kids see the ads built in to the YouTubes, and they see it from friends, and I do my best to explain to them what’s happening.
And if they earn some money, or get birthday money, and they want to burn it on some nonsense, I explain to them what’s happening but ultimately give them some autonomy. And when the next thing comes along and they can’t spend money because they have none, they either learn or they don’t.
Jokes on them. I hack games that have micro transactions and DLCs and make them entirely free. Even games I have paid for. My child hasn’t seen an ad or a micro transaction yet.
Can you elaborate a bit more on that? Most of the games with dlc or microtransaction stuff that I play have it all verified with some sort of online system (steam, mostly). What games are you hacking, and how?
steam does not verify much by itself, its not made to be a strong security system. look up goldberg emu, cream api, etc. they work if the DLC content is not really downloadable, but already baked in just locked away behind a check
This.
and if the content is something to download, most of the time you can grab the clean steam files from a website of a russian counterstrike community and drop the files into your game install folder and then use the aforementioned tools.
Plenty of fun normal games, especially indie games.
Only if you teach them. My son is playing casual games on Steam and emulated games.
While my son’s friends were talking about new Call of Duty/Fortnite updates. And they’re like 8yos.
lol, it wasn’t even attempting to be a good photoshop. Maybe your screen needs cleaning?
wow I got completely fooled hahaha
This one dad wrote an article about introducing his kid to retro gaming, starting with the old Atari console and progressing through newer generations every few months.
medium.com/…/playing-with-my-son-e5226ff0a7c3
(some of the image links are broken on the original article so here’s an archive link)
A great read, thanks. I think you have posted this as a full post to this sub (perhaps repost it on a quiet day).
I think the trick is to just let kids play what they want
as a kid I grew up with basically every generation of nintendo consoles up to the Wii U, as well as a PC (well, a mac really but whatever) and I turned out fine
i missed out on some of the big sensations of the moment, like fortnite or COD, but tbh I didn’t care, these games never interested me and they still don’t
I think the shared experience there is gaining most of your social interactions through an video game for a period of time during childhood. Its not always the same game and it doesnt even have to be online, but its the shared focal point among a group of people. Sort of like a coffee shop or park.
Nah… it’s okay. She won’t be out of touch. Nintendo is going to release these games for the Switch 2 for $80.
Introducing kids to old games is great, but restricting them from experiencing their own generations culture, not so much
Except when that culture is full of predatory shit like microtransactions
Yeah, kids shouldn’t be allowed to play Undertale, Armored Core 6, Baldur’s Gate 3, Elden Ring, Final Fantasy XVI, Hollow Knight, or Stardew Valley.
They’ll play shovelware and like it, just like we did!
There are plenty of great games today and horrible games from when we grew up (E.T. anyone?), the trick is to filter the good from the bad and show them what to watch out for.
That's the thing I did with my niece. She didn't get to watch many films growing up (she read a lot, listened to a lot of music, but her parents didn't really do films or TV so it wasn't much of a thing). As a teenager we started hanging out and I'd show her films that I thought that she'd enjoy and would be culturally important. Meanwhile I'd give her the rundown of "You can watch this, but I wouldn't bother. This one is good, the rest you can skip."
I like to think she's going off to uni with good memories of watching films with me. Hopefully I can do something similar for my recently arrived daughter.
Also, forcing your kids to play your favorite old games assumes that your games were the best games.
They were fun in their day, but time moves on. Assuming that everything since you formed your opinions is inferior is some big boomer energy.
Let them find their own fun with their friends on their terms. Making your kids play your old crap with you is kinda sad.
I think Minecraft is boring as hell and I’m not gonna play it, but I’m not going to force my kids to play mega man 2 instead.
Katt Williams’ kid didn’t mind.
I feel called out
I don’t think that you need to put your emoticons in a code block, you can just use escapes (backslashes) instead!
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You can see exactly how I did it with the “view source” button in the web version of Lemmy.
Yeah, but his first greater than shows up as blue for me, so that’s cool and all.
Thanks for the tip, I did the code block as a quick edit because I knew it would at least work.
I grew up playing games with my dad. I wouldn’t change a thing. I miss it dearly.
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He never went easy on me in Soul Calibur.
Your dad is Nick Swardson? That’s cool
Yeah my mom was an old school namco head and we’d play together when I was a kid
Dad aint raising no wimp! Get good or get schooled.
But seriously that’s really sweet.
God I tried. And it told me a lot out myself.
The VAST majority of that old stuff, the stuff that I remember so fondly, was only fun because it was the best we had.
My first game was Yars Revenge. By today’s standards, it’s about 30 seconds of entertainment.
Even Super Mario Brothers, the pinnacle of games for years, had no save button and you have to pull off a long series of perfect play with only a couple of lives or get sent back to level 1. It was almost all single player taking turns.
Compared to even old current systems, there’s just no draw there and there’s no social aspects for them.
I think you’re missing a large piece of the puzzle here.
back between the 70s-90s you played games with friends in the room. you would mock and challenge each other to do better. That was the game.
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thanks for making me lose the game 😠
Sounds like something someone who had friends growing up would say
I didn’t have any friends, but I had siblings.
My kid is almost 6 so he doesn’t really know modern games. For now he is totally into lemmings and the incredible machine 2. It’s fun because I played those games a lot and can easily help him when he is stuck.
Maybe the original has this issue of being held back by overly punishing arcade inspired design, but I replayed Super Mario World recently and I think it holds up in this respect. You only need to get past the next checkpoint for your progress to be saved, and if you are running low on lives and don’t want to lose progress, there is the option of going back to previous levels to farm more lives and powerups. There are also semi-secret areas with buttons that put extra blocks into every level that make the game easier. For basically the first half of the game the only thing that’s really required to win is a small amount of impulse control, planning and patience, and it seems to deliberately work to teach you that stuff in various ways.
I was really surprised how quick my kids fell in love with Super Mario 3(Super Mario All-stars).
Their cousin played the Switch version and my introduction led them to try and 100% all the classic 2D Super Mario games.
Yeah, there’s less gold than we remember… but there is some.
I just cannot stand to play a lot of the PS1/N64 era of games these days. Modern shooters etc have rewired my brain too much for something like Metroid Prime or TimeSplitters.
Still, some classic do hold up, especially if you missed them the first time round and/or you can emulate them for quality of life improvements.
As long as we all raise our kids this way, they won’t be out of touch with their peers!
Telling my five-year-old that if they can beat Ecco the Dolphin in front of me I will take them out for ice cream, but I’m not sitting down to watch more often than once a week.
Woah you just unlocked some core memories.
Given all the child predators on Roblox, can’t blame ya
Don’t forget the slavery and financial exploitation!
Ive heard of the financial exploitation and pedo controversy but what is the slavery controversy for roblox?
Gonna be honest, my brain farted while being flippant. “Financial exploitation” to refer to extracting robux from users. I used “slavery” to refer to uncompensated or undercompensated underage labor relating to development…
You’re worried about child predators on Roblox.
I’m worried about my dummy kids taking my credit card and buying microtransactions.
(We are not the same meme)
There are plenty of games up to the PS3 era that every kid would do well to play at least once. Stuff that is objectively good, that aged well, or close enough.
The problem, as I see it, is that if they get too used to mobile games, they won’t have the patience for typical console or PC games, because those, on average, aren’t dopamine dispensers and won’t be rewarding every second click or button press - more importantly, they should NOT nag the player with cash shops.
Also important: limit the amount of games available - this is valid both for current and retro games. The moment you have “all the games” at your disposal, several things kick in: analysis paralysis, appeal to familiarity (will only play what you already know or someone knows), seeing no value in the games^[If, when you were small, you only had a limited selection of games, which was common during the cartridge era, you would be very careful with choosing new games to ask your parents to buy, though renting was an option to see which ones were good or not. You had to make do with the little you had. When you got bored with one, you either looked through your collection and played something else, or did something else entirely; you never threw away a game (unless it really sucked) and you never got a new game on a whim. That is good.].
Others mentioned the social aspect, which is true as well and something they just can’t experience nowadays anymore. Minecraft and Roblox are famous because they’re easy for kids to pick and play with friends. Back in our days, we had to physically sit beside one another and play together, or pass the controller on death; we also physically lent and traded games, so the games also had value within our little social circles. While fully digital games are extremely convenient, the “scarcity” gave them a social value that they completely lack today and which I suppose boardgames now fill out (yes, you can play them online, but playing on an actual table is almost always better)
i don’t think i’ve ever heard anyone call it “the ps3 era”.
Damn, I never knew that Markdown (or Lemmy idk) had footers!
they’re pretty useful and neat in some contexts, also super easy, caret + brackets:
caret after a word^[and all text in the brackets goes in the footnote]You’re not wrong about “freedom within limits” when it comes to gaming imho. Having access to everything means you/they will play nothing. Witness my Steam library :/
But introducing artifical scarcity means you can curate the experience with them. Something small, bespoke and meaningful that you can bond over.
As the saying goes, you can never step in the same river twice, but you can point out the best spot for others.
I just let my sister have access to my Steam account and it’s turned out alright
make a steam family to share your games with friends
Yeah that’s what we do. Steam family with my other friends too
Cant force the shit, same with any culturally significant thing from your childhood. Think of it in reverse: if you aren’t willing to engage with their zeitgeist in good faith, how could you expect them to engage with yours?
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I have had an N-64 plugged into the back of my TV for 25 years straight. The TV has changed. My kids were raised on this shit.
Now my daughter brings her friends home to play Mario 64! Masterpieces have no expiry date!!
I misread that as Mario Kart 64. That game is the apex of the genre.
I got a Miyoo Mini plus for mine, installed onionos and loads of games from internet archive. They love it, maybe one day I’ll set up my dusty wiiU but i only have Mario kart for it. Or some kind of minipc set up.
we are currently playing stardew valley and I don’t think harvest moon would hit as well, but maybe that’s an exception overall, they truly just enjoy hard simpler games like the classics are
as if everybody gaming in the 90’s we were all in sync with each other. lol i was rocking pc win98 tie fighter, and old floppy disc knock off games/ sim city, one kid down the street, she had a Nintendo with 3 Disney games Aladdin, lion king etc, one had a Sega with zombies ate my neighbors, that paper boy game and some sanic. it was pure chaos even later when “everyone” had a ps1 everyone’s tastes were completely different. sure there were trends but nobody felt they were stuck in a outdated bubble like op is implying except for that Atari kid. only played pong, fuck that bubble kid neanderthal mutherfucker. lol
Oh what a memory! I remember I was playing Sonic the Hedgehog, where my best friend was playing Zelda Lttp and my crush was playing Doom on Win95.
And yeah, when PS1 came out, suddenly we were bringing our own controllers to play Tekken. And then once in a while, go to our one buddy’s house to Oogle Dead or Alive 2 on Dreamcast.
TurkishTurok?This kid is about to meet one of the gaming gods.
Kid’ll be fine.
Besides, what super awesome lifestyle changing game is out right now that the kid will miss?
Edit: Ha! Yes, Turok, not Turkish!
Roblox 🤮
Ehhh, there’s a lot of crap on Roblox, but some of it isn’t bad. There’s just the obvious UI bullshit and constant spam to buy shit, but I take that opportunity to shit on people who do that so that my kids understand that’s a dirty practice.
My 16 year old understands that concept, my 10-year-old is policed by the 16 year old and has a 1 hour time limit anyway, my 8-year-old would actively look for things to break and buy and gamble because he falls into all of the traps the game creators make. So I installed retroarch on his tablet and he can play all the good games.
One of these things is not like the other... I tried to look this up and can't find it. My best guess is an autocorrected Turok?
I’ve tried to figure out what your typo for “Turkish” was supposed to be. I can only assume “Turok”.
I did this to myself because I only played games that my gpu could perform and that was the reason why pretty much all of the games I play are pre 2010.
What GPU
Don’t remember which one I had at the time, but it barely played angry birds and my current one is an rx580.
Ah okay. Asking as my 1080 is still playing anything I want even though it’s 10+(?) years old
The 1080 was a factory freak. I used mine forever, I want to say from a 2015 build as well.
Same with my 1070. He’ll, even my wife’s 970 is running strong. Can either of them play at max? Unlikely. But my wife is able to play just about anything, if at the lowest setting.
I play everything at max :) I did upgrade my cpu and ram though.
That sick about your wife’s 970!
I mean I get like 40 fps in cs2 with all low and fsr on performance but on 1440p lowering to 1080 imoroved itby about 5 fps, I tested it with an another rx 580 and it is the same.
I still play animal crossing new leaf. Just got the golden net the other day (my town has been going since 2013)
3DS is still awesome even in 2025.
Don’t think it’ll ever be not awesome.
I’d love someone to make a modern foldable smartphone in the shape of a 3ds. With the controls and everything, and a stylus. But also cellular capabilities and a modern camera system. Most of all, a chip that can emulate the 3ds. Would be even cooler if one eventually came out that can emulate the Wii U.
Ayaneo Flip DS exists but is ludicrously expensive
Why so salty about a dad sharing his interests and stuff from his life with his kid? She can play other games too.
Legit, it’s not an either/or. I ragequit Warioland on RA and took my frustrations out building and unleashing siege weapons in TOTK
Salt gets traction, no one on the internet wants normal family values or feelgood anything
That’s not true people like feelgood videos and cute animals and wait hold up …
Enhance
Ah now I know exactly what kind of person you are, nevermind
I am 50+, remember paying quarters to play Pong and Space Invaders.
Built my kids a game box using Batocera Linux and ROMs from the 80s and 90s (Atari2600, Intellivision, Colecovision, etc)
I was thereby able to show them the True Magic and Wonder of Computers
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Every one of you gets blocked
Try being original for once in your fucking life
You are fun! Happily to be blocked :) but why is everyone mad at you? Jks no one’s mad they just tapping a screen breathing air and have no real concerns about you or I. But what did you mean to get the minus points?
The only part being true is my life is fucked, rest easy friend I don’t care about strangers online
Calm down, Bill Gates
You are so fucking lucky there’s an entire internet between me and you rn
And you’re lucky there is this entire Lemmy.World instance running on Linux for you to get this worked up over them about.
Why, tho? Is it because it’s not basically an advertisement for some large language model?
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Why do you like Windows so much, then?
I NEVER SAID I LIKED WINDOWS WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH YOU PEOPLE CONSTANTLY PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!?
I say ‘FUck linux’ so you immediately assume that I’m some microsuck fan
I say ‘Fuck capitalism’ and you immediately assume I’m a communist
I say ‘Fuck ratheists’ and you immediately assume I’m a conservative evagelical that wants to institute Biblical law
I have never been or wanted any of these things but every FUCKING time I point out the flaws, everyone just immediately assumes I’m an anti
And I’m so fucking tired of it because it erases ALL MOTHERFUCKING NUANCE in EVERY discussion is comes up in
Fuck off
Get bent
Die lonely
“FUCK LINUX” is, like, tooooootally something a Microsoft hater would say, am I right, guys? /s
This also contradicts what you initially said.
I have supported windows infrastructure since the early 90s and I can guaran-fucking-tee you there are few people on the planet who hate windows more than me
And before you make another one of your ridiculous assumptions, about 2/3rd of the infrastructure I have been personally responsible for are running linux
Show me, I’m SO fucking tired of this
I genuinely wonder why you said “fuck Linux” if you claim it was “pointing out a flaw”.
I was generalizing the fact I criticize every OS I support, not making the claim that ‘fuck linux’ is in any way a critical examination
I say ‘fuck linux’ for a multitude of reasons, all of which when posted earn me literal WEEKS of comment stalking that the mods and admins refuse to address, so I have kind of stopped.
Since you have been the only level headed voice in this tread I will give you two of my main reasons:
Lack of cohesive anything really. Every distro is so functionally distinct that solutions working on one are not even available for another even closely related distro. Different package managers, different BASH implementations, different print managers. None of which really offer a significant advantage and most are just vanity projects. I think this is the primary reason there will never be broad deskop adoption.
Secondly, the community has been ridiculously toxic to anyone but other enthusiasts since the mid 90s at least, with a seriously undeserved air of superiority for the most flimsy of reasons. There isn’t a single fuckdamn thread on lemmy where people make a complaint about windows where a dozen fucking lincucks don’t dive in to roost and cackle
I have four more and I’m done wasting my time on people who can’t understand what I write.
I just noticed that you also got banned from several communities for writing uncivil comments.
No, what you noticed is a concerted hypermod harassment campaign that has followed me for eight months now
Check and see how many communities I’ve been banned from that feature the same 3 fucking mods…
Based on the vast majority of comments in your modlog, I’d say those bans were fully justified.
That’s funny because you and I can’t see the comments I was banned for, only the responses of the mods
And when I check my notifications, 90% of the time they don’t even reference a post or a rule
If you actually saw the comments I was banned for, you’d see they aren’t even 1/4 as vitriolic as the harpies that gathered to dissolute the thread
But that’s a ‘feature’ of lemmy that prevents anyone being mod harassed from defending themselves
At least on reddit when a mod removed a post it still existed in your own personal post history. Not on lemmy tho
Deliberately.
my man, my only experience with your comments is this very thread, and that’s all I need to know that your bans were justified. Your ban from this community is going to be justified too.
Die alone and forgotten
“No I’m not angry, the mod was wrong in removing my comments. Btw die alone and forgotten.”
You’re really proving the point of everyone around you.
He claims the mod removing them was wrong, and then proves them right in the same timeframe. Normal behavior.
You’re goddamn right! 😆
I am and I don’t care.
You are just giving your kids more options, most don’t have that choice and can only play whatever launches for phones or switch.
Phones, tablets other portable devices are where this generation is at. There is a question of when you give your child access to brain rot materials. Assuming they are above 12 in this situation, they are already in touch with the general status quo of digital entrainment. The ego they will gain and cool points in the future is unknown but working in Education I feel students with a boarder background make for Better Humans. In the UK most public spaces like community centre or library, school will always have computer relics in a cupboard. A good Gamer will seek these out even if they don’t have a dad, which is maybe the reason they are there…
A well made game knows no age limits! My kiddo was super into the original mario when we showed it to him. I would have thought it would look dated, but he doesn’t know!
Today’s kids have the benefit that insanely amazing graphics in huge budget games is commonplace, pixel art is a popular visual style that has new games coming out all the time, and janky homemade graphics with visual glitches (essentially memes in game format) are also popular thanks to everything from garry’s mod recordings to platforms like Roblox where a million people make their own goofy little games.
So if I take my 3rd grader though some gaming history, starting at least from the NES era where you have decent resolution, smooth scrolling, and numerous colors, things are not instantly dated like we olds might expect.
I could fire up Super Mario Bros, TIE Fighter, Super Mario World, Chrono Trigger, Symphony of the Night, VVVVVV, or Elden Ring, and I honestly don’t think any of them would get a particularly positive or negative reaction based on visual fidelity. It’s just a question of whether it looks like the type of gameplay he is into. Even with the obviously popular chunky Minecraft/Roblox look, he’s draw to it because it’s a popular style that he likes. If I comment about how ooh they updated the Xbox version to 4K rendering, or look at the crazy stuff I can do with the draw distance in the Java version on Linux, he does not give any fucks. It’s the command line and the mods that let us do wacky things that are actually entertaining.
C64 reboot: a.co/d/2uyn43m
definitely one day
When I was young my parents encouraged me to watch Marx Brothers, Three Stooges, and Abbott & Costello. These are easy things for children to watch because the physical comedy is universal.
As I got older my love for them remained, but also it gave me a love for media from any age. So long as it’s done reasonably I think this sort of thing can be quite enriching.
I experienced something simmilar. Authors, comedians and actors were mostly from our or neighbouring states, and man were they brilliant. In my case it was rather a kind of comedy, that was heavily relying on spoken word, but those guys really knew their craft.
I do plan to start my sons on retro games starting when they’re about 4 years old. They’ll basically get an abridged experience of some of the best games from each generation.
They should be on modern games by the time they’re old enough for it to matter in terms of relating to their peers. And it’s not like I’d say “no” if they said their friends wanted to play a particular game with them just because it’s from the “wrong” generation.
I’m also not going to force the issue if they just aren’t receptive to it. Everyone has different interests.
I assumed my kids would love games, but they’re just not that interested. I got my six-year-old obsessing over one of the UFO 50 games, at least until she couldn’t progress any further, but for the most part toys are just way more exciting.
My little guy just started Mario Paint this week and he’s loving it. He’s not reading yet so a game with easy symbols and painting is age appropriate. Plus that fly game is getting him a lot of practice learning how to use a computer mouse.
Yes! On the SNES switch online thing? My 3 y/o has been loving it too, especially after finding the rocketship eraser.
Yep! Our favourite now is creating and saving our own stamps.
out of touch? more like saving her from the absolute garbage fire that passes for ‘games’ these days. she’ll actually learn what a good game is. this dad’s doing god’s work.
Game design has come a long way since the '90s. Heck, even the N64 controller is awkward and weird with only one joystick.
as a kid a never played the same games as my friends, and since that’s all they would talk about i was pretty distant from the group, also that guys daughter looks like she’s old enough to rent a property and just buy her own games.
(but all those old games really are better than what we have now)
My favorite musical artists as a child (90s) were John Denver; Peter, Paul, and Mary; the Beatles; and Cream. I didn’t ever get into boy bands, but I can sing along to the absolute biggest spice girl hits.
That was only really a hindrance in elementary school because in middle school I branched out into more contemporary musicians. Now, I’ve got a lot more knowledge about the 70s in music than most of my peers, but I’m not isolated from the things my peer group likes (I will lose my shit to Mr. Brightside or Yeah by Usher if I’m drunk, but I definitely will as well for anything from Carole King’s Tapestry)
Guilty? No.
Proud? Yes!
My kids be vibing of Super Mario Sunshine, Go Vacation, Warioware.
My eldest (7) tried to explain some of these games to a friend the other day, with “They’re good for your brain!”.
You should have seen how perplexed her friend was with the Wii controls.
Raising them right.
The Sunshine music is burned into my brain from my eldest playing it daily for the past couple of months.
The game itself too… I had no idea!
I joke that with Gecko codes enabled (to fix the horrendous inverted controls), plus unlimited FLUDD (jet back) and fast running, you basically end up with the world’s cutest Just Cause clone, except with chill vibes.