Nintendo Targets YouTube Accounts Showing Emulated Games
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from Kain1@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world on 01 Oct 12:09
https://lemmy.world/post/20385358
from Kain1@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world on 01 Oct 12:09
https://lemmy.world/post/20385358
Nintendo has been actively taking down YouTube videos that feature its games being emulated or modded, which has sparked significant discussion and concern within the gaming community.
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It just keeps getting worse. I’m done with Nintendo
We won’t have much choices left it seems
Sony: Greedy fucks who don’t know their customers anymore Microsoft: Kills off great studios then complains they have no games
There are a lot of indie games out there.
Indies and decent publishers, Itch.io, GOG, It might regress a little, but gaming won’t go away.
It will just move or transform
Indies is where it’s at
And what do you play them on? Sony PlayStation, Nintendo Switch, or Microsoft Windows? Maybe you play the Microsoft Windows version on Linux or macOS?
Playing the windows version on Linux doesn’t really support Microsoft. It’s not like on the consoles where they get a cut of the sales. Even playing directly on windows isn’t that terrible. I don’t remember the last time I purchased a copy of windows. I’ve been using the same key for like 15 years now
on my steam deck.
That means you’ll be playing the Microsoft Windows version on Linux, yes.
And that benefits Microsoft, how?
Oh no, I’m not saying it benefits them. It just means we depend on them.
Also means Steam, GOG, Itch etc. will see a high percentage of Windows games sold and played. It’s either that, or one of the consoles. Linux or macOS ports are incredibly rare.
Well, or play a mobile game.
Do you have actionable advice
Buy a game more often if it’s directly on your OS and less if you’ll have to play the Windows version, with indies and very small publishers you could openly request a build for your OS, or at least leave more positive reviews for games with a build for your OS than ones that don’t.
TL;DR make it obvious that there is demand, rather than using a virtualiser and depend on the other system.
Steam can get stats on how many games are being played via Proton. And I don’t see how we depend on them?
If Windows becomes unpopular as a gaming OS, and most publishers and platforms don’t differentiate between genuine Windows and Linux/macOS via Proton/Wine, they’ll stop releasing on it. No matter how many people play on Linux or macOS.
www.steamdeck.com is a good one.
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You can play any games you want, though? Throw an emulator on there and play all your old games. Install non-steam games, add them to Steam using its very easy to use “Add a non-Steam game” button, and play as normal.
Heck, if you don’t like Linux you can just install Windows on the thing.
Steam takes a lot of money and then turns around and invests it into the gaming community.
I saw a review where it was said that you can only play steam games, but I just looked it up and apparently you can play all the other games as well by simply adding them or launching other launchers…
Steam invest’s into the gaming community? Do you have any source for that so that I can read about that?
They’re pretty much the entire reason gaming on Linux is as active as it is today.
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I’m not AwesomeLowlander but you asked for something that can be googled in literally 5 to 10 seconds:
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Yes, maybe it just takes 5 seconds. But it’s not my turn to Google things people claim here, especially because I nicely asked for sources ( to inform myself about it ).
Anyway, I’ll not respond here anymore
It always it. That’s basic media savviness. Asking for things that take 5 secs to google is rude.
In the same stroke though the onus to supply backing to any given position or assertion is on the one claiming facts. Else one can go around claiming anything they want and just yell at others to “google it”.
This one is easily found out through a simple search and all but burden of proof isn’t on the one asking for proof, it’s on the one making the assertion. If they want to verify the proof, then that’s on them of course.
Source, please?
I know you don’t give a flying fuck. Have it anyways. 😘
…m.wikipedia.org/…/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
www.logicalfallacies.org/burden-of-proof.html
…cambridge.org/…/9781107046627_frontmatter.pdf
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)
www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burden_of_proof
Valve supporting gaming on Linux is common knowledge here. For very niche knowledge or hard to google terms, I’d agree but there’s a limit. One cannot expect to cite sources for every single bit of common knowledge.
The amount of work required to ask for a source is similar to googling it directly, maybe asking is even more work because usually selecting the claim and then right-click --> “Search web for XYZ” works just fine.
Yeah I agree they should have just looked it up because it’s easy to check. Just was disagreeing that it’s their responsibility to prove it. Their responsibilities are verifying and they failed. It was a stupid pedantic point and I probably shouldn’t have bothered. Sorry if I ruffled feathers. Typed before I thought.
Yeah, I have a Steam Deck, and it’s literally just a PC in the form factor of a Switch. It has a BIOS menu, you can install Windows on it (but you really shouldn’t), you can install a different flavor of Linux (I recommend Bazzite) – you can even install and play pirated Windows games through Proton, more or less fine, though you have to work for it a bit more.
They developed Proton so that they could get Windows games working on the Deck, and the reason they didn’t make the Deck run Windows is they wanted greater control over the OS than Windows affords. Proton has benefited all gamers on Linux. More recently, they’ve officially partnered with Arch as of a few days ago (which is what SteamOS is built on): tomshardware.com/…/the-arch-linux-team-is-now-wor…
and just to gush a bit more: the Deck is the only thing I can remember pre-ordering in the last 10 years and being genuinely happy that I did.
And add to that the story behind DXVK, which was the turning point around 2018 for Linux gaming. Valve hired the guy who created it, so they could develop it professionally instead of as a hobbyist. With it remaining open source and free.
Yes, they do it because it helped them achieve what they wanted. But they don’t lock it down and they work with a lot of OSS which is then upstreamed.
They also use that money to pay their employees more than the industry average and to make their owner a billionaire that owns a yacht collection. They could 100% afford to take a smaller cut with only Gabe “feeling the impact”.
I don’t own a deck, but i know it’s way more then JUST a steam game player.
My fault, I watched a review where it was said that you can only play steam games, but I see that this isn’t true. You can indeed play all your PC games or whatever
Steam getting a cut isn’t a problem, it’s a well deserved rewsrd.
I wonder why you think that way? Do you know how high their cut is?
I’ll give my own experience as a Steam customer and aspiring game dev:
I’ve never had a problem with Steam that wasn’t quickly and satisfactorily resolved. Usually, in ways that go above and beyond Valve’s stated responsibilities. They have been quick to respond to the two hardware tickets I’ve raised over the years of owning a Steam controller, two Steam Links, a Valve Index, and my own Steam Deck.
In the many years that I’ve used all flavors of Linux and installed all manner of native games and non-native games, it has only been in the last 4 or 5 years that the process has become, in my own experience, painless enough for me to not only consider suggesting other less technical people I know to try Linux, but to enthusiastically recommend it. They were the strongest single driving force I am aware of in bringing day-one mass-market release games to Linux.
I have, over the years of my dealing with them, come to believe that money spent towards Valve is materially making my life better in ways that just playing games through Steam doesn’t fully encapsulate.
They provide development assistance and funds for open source projects in a way that truly gives back to the projects they work with, their company is run in a way that I find personally satisfying and aspirational, their leadership feels like they’re maintaining their relevance in the industry instead of being disconnected money-men…
I respect their decisions enough to consider their cut reasonable as compared to the services they provide both directly and indirectly to the PC gaming industry as a whole.
I see why you have a positive view on Valve / Steam. However, while this can be the case for many people, it still doesn’t adress what is typically criticised.
One is that they take 30% of the money, which can be described as incredibly high, compared to other paltforms like Epic Games (12%). Is it justified just because they have the same service as any big company has? I don’t know.
I think there is much room for discussion about this, however, I won’t discuss it any further here, because brainless people just downvote my comment.
I understand that you aren’t interested in responding, the only point I felt I wanted to clarify my own thinking about “is it justified just because they have the same service as any big company has?”
I would happily and readily say that I don’t know of any other single *gaming company that provides the same amount of services to the general population and to, if we follow the tenets of OSS, humanity as a whole. They provide code and money to KDE, Arch, the Linux kernel, they work directly with AMD on Linux drivers, they are working on accelerating what I believe are common-sense additions to Wayland, they’ve pushed VR on PC from being a futuristic wishlist item to having a section dedicated to games for their headsets and the countless others (including Metas, whom they also directly support) on their store and helping maintain and develop the open source frameworks needed to make them.
In my mind, Steam the storefront is how Valve does everything else that they’re doing, and I haven’t heard of anything that they do that I find reasonably objectable. I mean, maybe the TF2 stuff could count against them, and also given that there are 17 year old people who weren’t alive when that game came out any amount of work they keep putting into it is just wild from my perspective.
www.emudeck.com.
Not that you need to use special tools. SteamOS is built on Arch so you can just… y’know, install shit on there.
Thx, I did not know about this one
You can still install other game stores such as Epic or GOG and add games to the SteamOS gaming mode. Autoflatpak also works for that as well. I don’t have the steam copy of FFXIV but no issue, I added it to my library without issue.
They take the same amount of money as other console makers and the store cut is completely unrelated to what Nintendo’s lawyers do which is the actual topic here.
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The topic is Nintendo who make a handheld console and unless CD Project make a GOGBoy with a bespoke SteamOS-like “console OS”, yet another storefront for Windows PCs is hardly an actual alternative.
I also though of them because they recently improved their subscriber agreement (apparently not for selfless reasons but still an improvement esp. in the light of what Nintendo is currently doing).
My Steam Deck has a 512GiB SD card full of pirated games using lutris and sega genesis and nintendo ds roms on it. it is more comfortable to just buy stuff and play, which i do with titles that are worth it (thats the internal memory for), but you are not limited in any way (except that it has to work on linux)
FTFY 😁
to be fair, most of those “backups” are played once, if they suck they get thrown off instantly and if they are good they stay until the price point in the store doesn’t pain me anymore. so it’s really just a temporally displaced backup, you are right :-)
ETA: “Doesn’t pain me” depends on the content: i did not shy back from buying for example Baldurs Gate 3 at full price. Indie devs normally get full price and automatically bought DLCs too, but i’m not into throwing my cash after the Bethesdas and EAs of the gaming world.
Exactly…I’m sure that’s the literal point they are trying to make.
I just ignore them all completely and give them nothing like they deserve.
Tue choice is indie. Always has been.
VR is still growing
“So, those guys generate positive advertisement for our games. How do we stop it, and make sure that public opinion shifts to «Nintendo is cringe and you’re a loser if you play this shit»?”
Also, what the fuck is with Japanese law, criminalising modding?
My best guess would be that they’re trying to get ahead of the recompiler scene before it catches a bigger foothold. But also, that lumps in the entire rom hacking and fan translation community, which I’m sure they view as perpetuating the piracy of their games.
If AI-generating images from copyrighted training material is legal, then generating source code from copyrighted binary code is as well.
That’s only true if you’re a large corporation doing it.
It’s probably not about that but rather to destroy the secondary market of modchips and save-file editors in Japan.
I don’t care what bullshit justification they try to come up with for it; the bottom line is that it violates computer owners’ property rights.
It is absolutely unconscionable, ass-backwards, Bizarro-world bullshit to privilege temporary fake Imaginary Property (IP) over and above actual property!
Nonetheless, the best thing would be to let those kinds of fans do what they do, because it is free advertising. But no, they’d rather be right than pragmatic, so they shoot themselves in the foot. Meanwhile, if they’re so worried that these guys have that kind of serious reach and influence - aren’t those the people they shouldn’t piss on??
Typical Japanese bullshittery. I watch sumo, and even when there was no official way to watch outside Japan the sumo association would get youtube accounts showing matches taken down. Tons of industries are still run by technological dinosaurs.
Japan was already living in the 2000’s back in the 80’s. The problem is that 40 years later, they’re still living and thinking in the exact same way.
“Japan has had the best 2000s tech since the 80s” I think is the succinct phrase you were looking for
It’s not just about the tech, it’s about their mindset. They’re stuck in that era mentally.
I mean, if the decision were made today, I guarantee our current supreme court in the US would not have given us fair use.
the current U.S. Supreme Court wouldn’t give you democracy, even though the American military has killed tens of thousands of people around the world in its name.
Could I at least get a barrel of oil? No need to beat around the bush (heh), I’ll take what I can get.
I would assume a company such as sony or nintendo lobbied for that law.
You sure is Nintendo of Japan and not Nintendo of america that’s doing it because the american office would use american jurisdiction
You state that this is Japanese law but what is clearly happeing here is nintendo abusing laws, please correct that statement of yours because your unfairly criticising the Japanese government for the actions of nintendo
It is the result of Japanese law. Further info here (in English) and here (in Japanese).
As such, yes, the Japanese government is also to blame. Plus any other government playing along with this crap, be it from USA or Brazil or whatever.
Internet Explorer?
Accidentally leaked the Switch 2 version
Now it plays at 720p60(ish)!
The other horizon, the one behind you
Nintendo needs to chill the fuck out.
Russ (Retro Game Corps) was so confident with his CEMU video he didn’t think he’d be a target despite everyone in the comments saying otherwise.
Stop buying Nintendo products
I would never buy another Nintendo product after I bought the switch, played it for 2 months and never picked it up again.
Wife uses it, has a bunch of digital games installed, daughter wanted to use it, create an account on same device and she has to buy them again. Another reason to buy physical but other consoles let you play games on different accounts, it’s just Nintendo being c***s
Never buy digital media
Eh… They do have family sharing over multiple consoles and if it’s just a different user on the same console then they can play all the same games as you either choose the user before starting the game or your have multiple saves in the game itself…
There are so many things to hate Nintendo for. Someone tell homie he doesn’t have to lie to kick it
Never attribute to malice what can better be attributed to only using it for a couple months and not looking into family sharing yet
All you have to do is click the game and click your profile. If they had even attempted they would know this
And in your estimation they probably did click the game and click their profile and they came to Lemmy to try to make a Nintendo look worse?
In my estimation they don’t even own a Switch
Well that would be quite weird!
This is the internet… we’ve both seen weirder!
<img alt="Don’t be a Buster" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a9f66b55-7b9d-4809-bd94-2ac88f8473a2.gif">
That’s definitely not true, I have at least two digital games that we share on multiple accounts.
No, user accounts on the same console have access to any physical or digital games on that console, just like with PS5 and XBox. Nintendo sucks and all, but not THAT bad…yet.
That’s definitely not the way it works.
My partner has a switch. We both created as account on it. She buys digital games on it and everything that’s installed appears in the games list.
Anyone that picks it up can see that game list. If I’m playing then I pick a game from the list and it asks which account is playing and I can choose mine or hers. Then the game starts.
The Switch was my last console purchase; I’m never buying another console from anyone ever again. I haven’t touched it in years cause every time I new game comes out that I want to play, I just pirate it instead. Why bother playing new releases on an underpowered, outdated handheld that struggles to render in 1080p, when I can play them in 4K on my PC at 60-120 FPS instead? Seriously, fuck Nintendo. Between their crappy hardware and crusade against gamers, I have zero reason to give them another cent of my hard-earned cash.
I remember back when I was a teen, emulating GBA games on our family laptop because I had no money. I did not buy one single Nintendo games (for myself), but played 90% of the Zelda series. Great games, annoying ass company.
I grew up as a PC gamer (if you can call 8-bit computers PCs too) and never had a console as a kid. I got an Xbox One when it came out, just because of the Kinect, and never played anything on it other than Just Dance. Playing on my PC is more convenient. I got a Switch and played some Pokémon, but couldn’t get in the habit of playing on a device instead of a PC. When I got a Switch emulator on my PC, I played more on that than I did on the actual Switch in all the time I owned it.
Did you buy Nintendo console for performance or were you just surprised because it was your first one and you didn’t check what you were buying?
Of course not; don’t be silly. There were no emulators available when I bought one. Plus it was more of a present for the GF anyway, and she still uses it as a Ring Fit machine.
The Steam Deck seems like a decent console, if that counts, because you’re free to do what you want with it
But perhaps you consider that to just be a handheld PC instead of a console, which I suppose is true
Keep buying Nintendo products so that we have systems with good games. They’re stuck in the last century but that’s for better AND worse.
This can’t be a new thing. This was one of the conditions Nintendo announced when they dropped their stupid “register with us to be allowed to do lets plays” thing.
Oh, and it’s not just Nintendo. All of the big publishers believe they own your videos that use their games. I’ve been involved in discussions with people personally who were trying to figure out how to demand licensing fees from YouTubers.
This is goingnto get worse before it gets better. This has been a traffic jam caused by everyone waiting for somebody to go first. Nintendo is just the one who has volunteered to be the first mover.
Replace “children” with “economist” or “lawyer” in this:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=KlDq04YDJ6Q
Nintendo has burned through all the good will they developed with me when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s. I doubt I’ll ever buy another Nintendo product again. Not that it matters to Nintendo, though. I’m many years removed from their target demographic. They make products for young people and that ain’t me. I’m sure those younger Nintendo fans will keep supporting the company, but, as for me, I’ve got the classic Nintendo games I want and I’ll keep playing them on whatever device I want. If Nintendo doesn’t like that, they can kiss my whole ass.
It sucks cause I really like the Mario Kart and Metroid Prime series and was hoping for more 3D metroid games, but there’s just so many other good games out there. Especially with Steam and the Steam Deck. I’ve had every nintendo console and handheld from the NES through the switch, but that’ll be my last console now that the steam deck exists and nintendo has become so hostile.
However I do wish there were more devices like the wii sensor and wiimote/nunchuk. I’d rather PC gaming go in that direction than with VR gaming cause I really hate having to move my neck around with VR.
The Wiiimote and Nunchuk combo needs a little tweaking (maybe make the wiimote more like a nunchuk for ergonomics, give it an analog stick for coarse camera movement) but it was the most comfortable controller ever since I could place my hands in different positions relative to one another.
To your credit, Nintendo’s golden age is well behind them. Most of the best games they’re likely to ever make are already runnable on PC, especially since they’ve been kinda phoning it in for the last decade or so.
It’s so nice to see all the Nintendo haters. I wonder if they’ve taken down any of my videos. I’ve gotten no notifications.
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I’m pro fuck Nintendo, what boot?
I literally run a project I’m waiting to get one of these legal threats about.
I think it’s how your first comment was phrased. It’s not 100% clear you are saying you wonder if Nintendo has taken down your videos.
On first read it’s as if you wonder whether Nintendo haters will remove your videos. The benefit of the doubt is scarce on Lemmy, so people seem to have misunderstood your comment.
Fair enough, I did mean Nintendo Haters as a compliment. It is the morally correct position.
On one hand, I don’t want to reward their shitty copyright etc. practices, on the other hand Nintendo as a game developer is about the only large studio making finished games anymore and I do want to support that
Santa Monica? From Software? Firaxis? Capcom?
There’s options, but I see your point.
Buy the games that are worth rewarding and maybe the seven seas can help with the rest
Has Firaxis released a game since Civ 6, which was better than most at launch, but still rough
Edit. Forgot they did Midnight Suns and XCOM Chimera Squad. Both released fully working to my knowledge
What the flying fuck, Japan?
Yeah all of these are ridiculous but save file editing? lol. That’s insane.
Tendy doesn’t like people giving themselves pokemon reserved for events
Predatory life-service bullshit before it was cool.
Like all the abandoned event Pokemon that are in the files and never fuckin’ released.
I used to hand out event cards for the arceus and gigatons flutes during Diamond and Pearl. Kids loved my store.
Nobody should give a flying fuck what “Tendy doesn’t like” because they are not entitled to dictate what people are allowed to do with their own property.
The owner of a copy of a Pokemon game has every right to edit his save file, in exactly the same way that the owner of a paper copy of a novel has every right to cross stuff out and write his own fanfic in the margins. These are fundamental property rights that have been well-established for hundreds of years, that Nintendo and other megalomaniacal copyright tyrants are now trying to destroy.
I concur
While we’re at it, game design patents are bullshit
Hah. Fucking nothing better to do? We in the USA need to deal with our highest courts taking away women’s bodily autonomy, but over there they are clearly focused on the real issues.
Wait until they go after livestreams
Livestreams are Fair Use in the US because of the gamers reaction and commentary.
The same applies to recorded content.
Honestly. Fine. I’m this close to going purely PC anyway. I’ve purchased dozens of physical Switch titles because the Switch represented Nintendo returning to its heyday of the SNES->Gamecube goodness. I’ve given Nintendo thousands and thousands of dollars over the last 3 and a half decades, and I’m thinking maybe they don’t need any more of my money. Sure, I emulate, but never the most recent system. People got way too greedy with Switch emulation and now Nintendo is putting the kibosh on all of it. At this point though, GOG gets my money.
steam deck is the best switch online device i’ve ever used ;)
Which switch emulator do you use? I’m pretty savy with Linux and run it on my desktop but haven’t really taken the dive to set any of them up. Metroid has been calling my name lately and I’m thinking it’s now or never. Got any suggestions?
oh i meant switch online for older games (nes, etc) since thats mostly what im into. havent done any current gen emulators. i think psone is the highest ive gone.
I used emu deck and it made emulators too easy to setup. Never did the switch stuff but have ran cemu for breath of the wild for wii u. Also have the original Xbox emulator and GameCube going.
Emulation does not equal piracy though.
Why are we not allowed to do what we want with our own stuff?
Yeah I’m now emulating games I own on switch on deck because my switch hardware is so wonky with controllers randomly disconnecting
The fact emulators are faster than the real hardware, can you blame them? Also, modding games is vastly easier, and people like mods.
Nintendo is just shooting themselves in the foot by not making these things more accessible. its a service issue. But nintendo prefers to invest in lawyers and not into their engineers.
This is a problem Nintendo has had a few times before, choosing weaker hardware makes it much easier for other platforms to match and outpace them.
My first time playing Pokemon was emulating Pokemon Red on PC. For some reason they put it in Australian stores around a month after the US release so emulation was the only way.
Similarly GBA was playable on PC very early in its cycle. DS/3DS was a bit less attractive because of it screen layout and inputs but that kind of quirk aside underpowered handheld hardware is just asking for emulator support.
Man, I feel like I dodged a bullet with that one. My SNES and GameCube controllers still work. So do my Wiimotes. (Okay, my N64 joystick is slack as my deadbeat cousin’s work ethic but otherwise…!) Heck even my Wii U slate seems fine (although the battery worries me.)
Switchcons have been a bit of a QA nightmare for a majority of people I’ve heard from though. Cheap and creaky, the sticks getting all drifty. Blegh!
I like their panoply of games, but I cannot in good conscience support this company. The time, effort and money they spent on their legal department could have been used elsewhere… Like pokemon maybe? I’m glad Palword saw daylight.
They’re suing Palworld too btw
Is that surprising to anyone? The specific grounds they’ve chosen for that lawsuit is odd but if any of their legal battles have merit its that one. Palworld is intentionally toeing the line between derivative and blatant ripoff.
I mean, gaming patents are horse shit from stage one. There’s 0 reason you should be able to patent a method or mechanic in a creative medium other than creepy corporate BS
That logic could easily apply to any kind of patent or copyright. That’s not to say you’re wrong but it’s part of a larger discussion than it seemed like was happening here.
That was the selling point behind this game “The Medium”. The copy was the most tone-deaf thing, gloating about its one-of-a-kind patented mechanic.
My first reaction, especially as an aspiring indie dev: “Well, I’m not touching that just on principle.”
Jerks.
That was the one where the chick could switch to white hair and swap between “worlds” just like Silent Hill but slightly different?
Yeah, except I think you could play two characters in parallel (universes?) at the same time.
Seemed neat. Shame they had to encumber it like that.
It also basically screams “If not for this super amazing novel mechanic…this is nothing special!”
Honestly, though - “method or mechanic”, do you think palworld is a pretty blatant copy of Pokémon or not? Like, most of it. Not just a single bit.
There’s monster collecting and battling, something numerous other games have done.
That’s where the similarities really end
Fair enough!
nintendo should put more effort into making switch online not suck instead of going after gamers playing nintendo games
*monkey’s paw curls* now it costs even more.
Idk I really like playing my backups upscaled with high fps with a not shitty controller. I wont buy any more though unless it’s in Steam and not with a petty DRM.
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With all these news recently, you could think Nintendo wants to be hated. It’s truly shameful how the company has fallen since Iwata is gone.
All they have is their IP, they must protect it at all costs. Nintendo doesn’t even let Shingeru Myamoto wipe is own ass out of fear he will get hurt.
On the plus side, it makes me feel extra good when I load their games onto my hacked Switch! Echoes of Wisdom was fun, but felt really short. I would have felt cheated if I’d spent $60 on it.
I mean, its predecessor was a basic-ass remake of a ten hour, thirty year old Game Boy game that also cost $60.
True, but it felt longer, even if it wasn’t. It also wasn’t worth $60, though.
I love that game, but I fucking hate the remake’s artstyle. Its completely put me off from trying Echoes even though the premise and gameplay of that one seem right up my alley.
I don’t mind the art style, other than the ugly-ass blur filter applied to the bottom of the screen. Fortunately, you can remove it if you’re playing it emulated or on a hacked Switch.
Recently?! Nintendo famously hates their fans for years now.
to be honest, 80% of their customers probably don’t even know what an emulator is and don’t follow news about nintendo
Nintendo has gone after youtubers and content creators for 15+ years. They are infamous for it.
They still did this stuff under Iwata. It’s actually more of a Japanese thing than a Nintendo thing. Although the quality of stuff was better under Iwata
I grew up with a Nintendo controller in hand.
There’s a very good reason I now game almost exclusively on PC. None of this is going to convince me to come back. Quite the opposite in fact.
Nintendo has been on my list of most hated companies for awhile now. Just can’t stand how they operate and design their games.
Well hang tight there, the games are dope. Just the legal dicks are the scumbags.
gestures broadly at the latest Pokémon titles
Grew up the same way. Some of my all time favorite games are still some of the classics. That being said, I wouldnt shed a tear if they go bankrupt.
Nintendo is running out of ideas so they are going back into their catalog to remaster old games. Cant have people playing dead games if they release a new graphically updated version and make millions.
This is especially true when the new generation is figuring out that graphics aren’t shit and story is everything.
That’s all they’ve been doing for decade’s. Ninten-who? I stopped paying attention to them ages ago.
If only they did this at the Switch release, one of the biggest reasons I didn’t buy one, wonder if there’s a chance they’ll do a PSO remake and release the English version 10 years later? (Although that’s really Segas fault)
Ephinea server’s been going strong. It’s great. PSO BlueBurst (GameCube, plus episode 4).
I’ve played on Ephinea, it’s a pretty good experience. Afaik there’s not a good way to play on mobile except Steam Deck or other expensive hardware, if net play worked on the Android version of dolphin that would be massive (it won’t probably also only be a matter of hours before Nintendo got butthurt) If there were a larger player base or they could make more changes to the game I’d definitely play more.
I don’t really think it matters that much. The more of the community you alienate and spit in their faces for loving you, the more youngsters will be given something else to play because their dad wants to see Nintendo burn.
Ryujinx repo was just taken down from Github too
I thought Japan was all about Face. I guess Nintendo is the exception?
face, farce.
This doesn’t seem an economically positive decision. I think Nintendo are actually trying to save face here.
They’ve been on some kind of emulation crusade then, because it looks like they just killed Ryujinx:
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Sounds like someone got promoted to a high position. If I’m right it’s the typical “New Manager Must Make Waves To Prove They Belong” level of stupid unique to corporate.
Or they simply are soon to launch the next console and want the happiest investors for the event.
Yep, they already removed the github and download pages from the website, last version was 1.1.1403
Okay, so now ten people can upload it.
Was there a Linux version?
Yes, some people already posted here or on it’s own news comments that you can still download the AUR/flatpak/I don’t know.
How about if I sing the Mario song for my fans… turns on the fans … we’re the Mario Brothers…
Fuck nintendo, I’ve been playing a pirated copy of Earthworm Jim (GB) all day and I’m gonna keep doing it purely out of spite.
I’m glad I bought a switch second hand and immediately installed a modchip on it, 0 money went to Nintendo
Didnt you technically support the guy that supported Nintendo?
Technically, yes, but I know for a fact that he went on to buy a PS5
I love a link to the past randomizer which is obviously not stock Zelda. Fuck Nintendo.
They just killed Ryujinx too, proving it wasn’t the fact that Yuzu was making money.
I missed this - what happened? (Searching now)
Nintendo visited the main developers home in brazil and came to an agreement to end Ryujinx, a former dev has confirmed this over on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/Ryujinx/comments/…/lpuz6pt/
Ghoul behavior
I remember etika talking about the nintendo ninjas doing the exact thing
And it isn’t the first time they’ve done this. Disgusting.
Visited his HOME
Further proof that anyone who wants anything to do with Nintendo modding should do so completely anonymously. Treat it like you’re hacking a government system or something damn.
tails.net
Welp I guess this also includes NSO games.
This is what we get because Atari fucked up with E.T.
^(Atari^ ^would^ ^be^ ^owned^ ^by^ ^Disney^ ^by^ ^now,^ ^and^ ^thus^ ^also^ ^evil.)^
I’ve been gradually building up my Switch digital and physical library and stuff like this makes me want to just switch back to Steam and spend my dollar elsewhere.
The strikes are absolutely frivolous and Russ sets a great anti piracy example for others. Backups of your own content are protected.
I’ll have to mod a switch purely out of spite.
I’m going to stand by what Retro Game Corps stated that they don’t want to advocate for piracy. Lawful backup of your own games is protected. The aggression against Russ and others is uncalled for.
They’re clearing out the scene before the switch 2 releases because they perceive the current emulators as a major threat somehow.
Which I assume means that the new switch is similar enough in architecture that it would be relatively trivial to ship a fully functional emulator on hardware release.
Pretty insane because at least in the USA, emulation is protected by law, except if someone can successfully argue that you are bypassing DRM which is illegal.
In a working system, this wouldn’t be an issue but I imagine neither Yuzu nor Ryjunix would want to deal with Nintendo’s insane law team that could wreck them financially in a matter of days before even entering a court room.
I hope someone either makes an anonymous dev team for a future project, or gets assistance from a consumer justice firm/group to properly argue in court to shut Nintendo down. They really should not be able to do this because it was already a thing 24 years ago:
Wow! Way to tell the world to never buy your products because you’re petty sniveling greedy and absolutely hate your fans.
Nintendo is doing everything in it’s power to screw over gamers, yet people will still consistently be like “omg pokemon, hiiiiii 🥺” and buy their slop even when the games get worse every time.
Like could you imagine if Microsoft did shit like this, the backlash would be huge.
If someone has bought a Switch game legally, then it’s legal to dump that game to a PC and play it on a Switch emulator, right?
Sure you could say that very few people dump their own games, but those that do are doing everything legally I think?
Nah. From Nintendo’s position, you don’t “own” the game. They do. All you bought is a license to play the game on a Nintendo approved console. By ripping the game from the switch dump, you are violating the license you bought by copying their software without permission.
From a practical perspective, fuckem. Your paid money to play the game and if you decide to play it on something else you own, go nuts.
IIRC this is what is currently protected in American law, but the problem is that in the time between now and the Sony/Bleem lawsuit Congress passed the DMCA, which has a provision making it illegal to bypass copyright protection. When emulating any modern console, you are naturally required to bypass the copyright protection on the game, which Nintendo would argue makes it illegal to do.
Maybe you could get around this with some kind of emulation scheme that requires the console to be plugged into your PC, like the emulator uses the console’s official hardware for the copyright check and then just takes over rendering the game.
Depends on where you live. Copyright law varies significantly from country to country.
In the USA, section 117 of the copyright act lets you create a copy for archival/backup purposes only. What I’m unsure about (and don’t know if there’s any relevant caselaw) is whether bypassing copy protection to create the copy violates the DMCA.
The equivalent Australian copyright law explicitly states that you can use the backup copy instead of the original one. The US law doesn’t (all it says is that you can make an archival copy, not how you can use the archival copy), so it’s a grey area.
Both laws are for “computer software”, but you could easily argue that a video game is computer software.
I don’t see any way you could argue a video game isn’t computer software. It literally just is.
Nintendo could try make up something like “it’s not computer software since the Switch is a console, not a computer” or something like that. Not a great argument, but they have good lawyers and could probably convince a court that it’s true.
But the game is running on a computer with the emulator which still strongly lends to it being software
I think I somewhat recall during the peak Wii U disaster era, during shareholder meetings Nintendo would call the games for the system “Software”. So, that’d definitely backfire on them I’m sure
Pretty sure they would consider this “format shifting”, which is not a valid exception to bypassing copy protection
I wouldn’t be surprised if this backfires a bit. The reason most publishers/IP holders don’t go after videos on youtube and twitch is because it’s basically free advertisement for your game.
If this behavior leads to people holding back on making nintendo based content, it could fuck them over in the long run. If you were a streamer or youtuber, would you feel particularly comfortable making videos and streaming nintendo games?
I know I wouldn’t. There is no guarantee that nintendo actually puts effort into determining whether you are using an emulator or not. And even for the people who do use emulators, they may not be looking to continue making nintendo content.
They’ve been doing this for a long time, and it definitely has a depressive effect. Even a big gaming youtubers like Videogamedunkey has commented on how every single time he does a video about a Nintendo game it gets demonetized, and while he can afford to take the financial hit every now and then there are plenty of mid-tier creators who can’t.
Nintendo is going after a lot of their biggest fans. It’s so obviously stupid, but they just keep doing it.
I have a hard time defending the YouTubers on this one. I mean, Nintendo has been pretty good about allowing older games to be played on its modern consoles. See VGC, the NES/SNES/N64 pass, and the multiple re-releases put out for the Switch. At some point just pony up the money or play the older games on a physical older console.
It’s not the same thing? Emulation of older consoles improve and mod the experience. Upscaling, custom textured, etc
See: Kaizo Mario directly inspiring Mario Maker.
See: LttP Randomizer, along with literally any other randomizer.
See: speedrunning streams literally making the market that Nintendo then sold the Nintendo World Championships cart into.
Nintendo absolutely benefits from this. They just want to crack the whip and take over. Fuck them.
Also, still can’t buy Mother 3. Double fuck them. Tons of titles play better on emulation. I shouldn’t have to justify it.
Where the hell am I supposed to get a N64?
Plenty on eBay
What’s the point of that? Nintendo isn’t getting any money from that sale so from their perspective it’s literally no different from emulation.
If there is no legitimate means for you to purchase an original product from the company and give them your money then why the hell do they care if you’re emulating something they weren’t going to get money either way
Defending the youtubers for… doing something completely legit
I mean at this point my attitude on Nintendo stuff is fuck em, I’ll play their games without paying (if I even feel like playing any of their games) because they deserve it.
What did they do to you?
Not to one person, but to gamers as a whole.
So you’re saying I should never buy anything from Nintendo?
Cool cool cool, cool, cool.
Be defiant. Emulate more games
So the switch itself emulates older consoles… I could have swore I remember reading something like the anniversary bundle that they put out for a limited edition had a emulator that someone made.
Imagine being a long time Nintendo fan to end up being sued because playing their games (and sharing your experience with others) is now considered the same as stealing.