There was actually 4 games planned with the fourth one being an epic End Game style cross over finally of Portal, TF, Left for Dead, CS, and Half Life all coming together to fight the combine But unfortunately the series only had a Half Life and decayed down to 2 games in each series.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 15:21
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I want this to be real
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 12:02
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I think portal was supposed to be in the HL2 universe, at least at some point… obviously l4d and tf2 are not.
Narrator: Then while Casey sips his tea, dozen of lemmy users think for themselves “heh… stupid casey made me chucke…”. As he puts down his tea he winks, and everyone had a moment there…
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 14:45
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We’ll have petabyte drives for $50 before HL3 appears.
Most of the people that made half life 1 and 2 are gone I think. Even if they made half life 3 it likely wouldn't be the game we wanted all those decades ago
weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 18:52
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People really liked Half-Life Alyx so whoever is in the development team is still capable of making a game people love. Though, ultimately, whether a hypotetical release of Half-Life 3 could live up to the hype or not is irrelevant since no such game will ever be released.
Should I give it another try? I hate the movement so much
weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 15:34
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I don’t know, I don’t own a VR headset. But I never heard anyone talk about it negatively. Apparently the gameplay is rather restricted since it’s supossed to be a beginner’s VR game but that’s about it.
That was maybe true once, but it’s fading into nothing but a meme. Half life is just not relevant for newer generations.
But that may just be the opportunity… Giving them a reason to care.
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 20:27
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We said the same thing about Baldur’s Gate and then BG3 sold gangbusters. It’s possible.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 23:29
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I don’t think they care much about general public expectations, they released Alyx with general public not even having an option to play it. If HL3 will ever be released by the current Valve it will be a game they are proud of themselves to produce.
weirdo_from_space@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 18:50
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New ones are still being made. I can’t give specific examples since I don’t play Half-Life mods but I’m sure you can find some pretty cool stuff by looking around.
There are indeed, but the thriving multiplayer mods community is mostly gone. I miss there being dozens of little multiplayer mods with full lobbies. I haven’t found anything that hits the same spot but perhaps I’m just unaware of what’s out there. I wish I could play a few rounds of HL: Vampire Slayer in a full server.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 02:39
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Action Half-Life represent
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 12:35
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Is it anything like Action Doom?
FrankFrankson@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 16:41
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1.82 GB out of 160 GB and they are worried. Imagine how they feel now with 500 gb and 1 TB drives with some AAA games being 250 GB.
KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca
on 03 Aug 16:59
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I was about to say, I recognize that name… Then I saw forum name and the year…
The base 2 pattern for storage is a new thing with solid state. It just used to be a multiple what whatever they could fit reliably on a platter in a given form factor. As media got better and heads got smaller they just increased to roundish numbers.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 18:16
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I’ve seen weird numbers before like 650 or 520 before.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 23:34
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There never was and neither is that pattern, we now have 1tb, 2, 3, 4, etc, 12, 26tb drives. Whatever size they can fit, they do just as they did before.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 17:28
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A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 20:43
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surprised there hasnt been a linux distro called SiskOS yet.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 03:39
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You know, I wouldn’t be surprised. Space Jesus needs his own OS.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 04 Aug 10:24
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monkeys paw: it gets released but its named after the thong song guy
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 18:01
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This is as much of a valid complaint now as it was back then.
There is absolutely no excuse for games now to be over 100GB in storage space. Unless you have the longest game ever that span across like 1 and a half “normal” game lengths. The biggest games now should be 60GB or less. So many developers refuse to compress things that could be compressed with zero noticeable loss in quality except for maybe a camera being really close to an object with an 8k display resolution.
At the absolute worst, do what games used to do for like 6 months before not caring: make the game for 1080p players, compression and all, then offer a free DLC with all the uncompressed stuff. At least make the storage feast optional.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 18:14
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Reminds of the those shitty Battlefront Remasters with upscaled 8 or 4k textures or whatever it was. Games went from being less than 5gbs to being 60 gb or something like that.
I mean, if the base game folder is .8 Gb, then aren’t their 3 mods the 1 Gig culprit? That’s a moddev issues and not many are concerned about optimizations.
Edit: I did misread the bit about the original game size.
You did misread but you’re probably also still correct. The modded game files are 1.82 total while the previous version of the game was 0.837, while I don’t know for sure what the newer version filesize was it was still an odd complaint for them to make.
The most annoying thing is there is a trivial to implement way to close to halve these stupidly inflated sizes: make the highest resolution of textures a free DLC that you optionally install
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 21:18
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/c/YourCommentButStroke
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 03:34
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A lot of that is shadows and lighting data, sometimes in unusual data structures without readily available compression methods. Compressing textures also impacts load times, obviously decompressing 10gb of jpgs could take a while. Still probably there are good compression methods and good tradeoffs to make, if any AAA studios actually cared about storage space (They do care a lot about GPU memory, just not storage space).
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 12:28
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I wish games would release with low/medium, up to 1024x1024 textures and stuff by default and let people choose to download/install higher res stuff. If I’m not going to use the 4k pack, I don’t need it sitting on my hard drive
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
on 09 Aug 17:00
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even 60GB is absurd, tons of games get by just fine with like 10GB while having no lack of content and graphics.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world
on 09 Aug 19:42
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Nah, I understand a AAA game being up to 60GB. Sometimes the amount of content really is that big. Elden Ring, for example. Its a big game with a lot of content, and its pretty close to 60GB I think. And yes, Morrowind has explorable space probably equally as big as Elden Ring for just 1GB. But compared to Elden Ring, Morrowind is like an empty barren wasteland. Maybe Elden Ring’s landmass data could have reduced filesize if it used prodecurally generated mesh if it doesn’t already, but in the end I think 60GB and under is fine.
While indie games can easily fit under 10GB because they are tiny or 2D, I get why bigger AAA games can’t.
Etterra@discuss.online
on 03 Aug 18:09
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Oh that poor innocent soul. They must not have been old enough to remember needing boot disks because your 90s jalopy couldn’t handle Warcraft or Myst.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 03 Aug 23:30
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heck they should try putting in 40 disks just to install word 3.1
neidu3@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 19:57
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The reason why HL3 is not out yet is because valve is waiting for consumer adoption of 10TB drives
I remember buying a 100MB hard drive and thinking how hard it was going to be to use all the space. It really was…
Times have changed.
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 21:35
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I remember thinking that about a gigabit hard drive that I ordered from Gateway. I specifically thought, “There is no way that I can ever use all of this.”
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip
on 03 Aug 20:27
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This is funny on so many levels, also a vit bitter as well…
Reminds me of the time I had checked my TF2 folder after IDK how many years of playing, and the folder was like 500GB because of temp cached files not being deleted.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 02:21
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what is it about games like gmod TF2 and VR chat that just makes them take like 50gb each
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 12:33
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My uneducated guess is that those are from custom stuff found on the servers you visit. Quake 3 and similars (Jedi Outcast/Academy, Unreal Tournament 99/2004) would download any custom maps, player models and skins if the server you were connecting to had any.
Idk about the others but in VRChat it’s animes and furries who don’t compress/resize textures and same with worlds.
At least VRC lets you define max cache size and it generally respects it.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 20:46
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I’m old enough that I got HL2 in a retail box, when it was new.
and the fucking disks installed the game encrypted, and I could not use my computer until the next day, due to it thrashing my HDD and CPU so hard to decrypt the files that my computer was functionally useless that evening, and overnight.
now THAT was some bullshit.
This was too, cause I remember steam games bloating with temp files back in the day and regularly having to clear out the folder so you had HDD space.
I got a code with my 9600XT, it was delayed so long the card was pretty much outdated by the time it came out, but I still had the code that came with it!
Pretty sure I was able to pre load it on steam before release day, I remember I took the day off work just to play it.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 23:27
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That bridge level still, to this day, fires every one of my acrophobic neurons.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 23:28
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I still have my original box/CDs too… i have no idea where they are, but I know i have them…somewhere.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 03 Aug 23:29
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did counter-strike 2 come with half life? i vaguely remember half life but i remember counterstrike 2 being played a lot in the dorm floor in uni. i feel like i remember them being connected some how but i can't recall.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 23:33
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No, Counterstrike 2 came out a couple years ago.
before that was global offensive.
the counter strike that came with HL2 was Counterstrike Source.
CS:S was such a phenominal game… So many years of nights spent staying up till 2am playing on the same server, with the same guys… and all of them gone now, like tears in the rain…
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 04 Aug 00:40
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oooh that makes sense; yeah this would have been in 1999/2000ish. i remember a name similar to counterstrike but i wasn't sure
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 12:22
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You probably played Counter Strike 1.5 or 1.6, or both at different times, these are the ones that were made off the original Half Life
BodilessGaze@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Aug 23:39
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I remember when Steam came out and everyone hated it because of how slow and buggy it was. Crazy how times have changed.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 03 Aug 23:43
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Steam is still slow and buggy.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Steam used to be slick and fast before it changed over to chromium and started trying to become a social media platform… also wish it had a simplified legacy version so people could still run it on older OSes to run the games they own that only run on older OSes. but apparently thats a super controversial topic that makes people unhinged
toddestan@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 00:58
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The client is still rather resource intensive, it’s just that computers have gotten so much faster that you don’t notice it.
Now, if Valve would ever deal with the download and sync issues, that would be nice.
I installed Steam during a Lan party back in 2007 (i think to play Left 4 Dead) and remember thinking “Damn, not another bloody useless account”. Little did i know :)
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Aug 17:23
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I had CS:Source Steam version, except I gifted it unopened (don’t remember why, probably had enough IL-2 and SW:Battlefront and SW:EAW to play) to a friend, so only saw Steam installation on that friend’s PC until much later.
My first Steam game was Empire: Total War, which is, eh, not too old.
BTW, it’s Russia and most disks you would buy in my childhood were pirate localized versions or just pirate versions, sold in underground crossings or in shabby-looking small stores. Nobody here understood what copyright is and how it’s connected to any right, like - really nobody. It’s baffling really when people who confidently and certainly thought of copyright this exact way then, just like everybody around, are today being judgemental and condemn digital piracy. While the new generation which wasn’t very conscious back then - doesn’t. Two-faced cowards. OK.
I’m really nostalgic over all those small stores, because back then not only they existed, but those ugly malls everywhere didn’t exist. Also in underground crossings everything was cleared (probably to make profit for malls ; of course it was illegal to sell there, but - I really feel more for those people than for the law), but now there are stores in them again, mostly coffee and snacks.
I’ve seen licensed localized versions by 1C on small racks in book stores, though, and those weren’t too expensive or bad, and the selection was usually good, but small, still - the people who decided which games were put there had consistently good taste, I’ve seen Thief various parts, Neverwinter Nights, Silent Hunter, various quests, maybe something else there.
I’ve had licensed WarCraft III: Reign of Chaos, my first non-pirate game, and later got The Frozen Throne.
The only place with really many-many official disks I’ve seen in my childhood was Soyuzmultfilm official store (a rare place, I mean, I live in Moscow, it’s huge and is still cool, and it was even cooler), and that place was kinda expensive (and looked expensive).
Though the games causing more nostalgic feelings for me were Dark Swords (an MMORPG much like MUDs) and Wizards’ World (a browser game much like MUDs with very cheerful global chat in a frame to the left) and Travian (still alive, but was better then). There was something called Wizards’ World II (not sure if it was by the same people), which I really liked (well, it was a plagiarism at HotMM, but a nice one, cool graphics and multiplayer). Unfortunately not around anymore.
Honestly I had more than many kids (born around 1996) did, and I’m really ashamed that my dad got depressed and didn’t see me get more useful before dying from Covid. Lots of it was due to his own idiocy, but he’s done a lot and deserved far better regardless.
Honestly rain is the only thing which always, without a single failure, makes me feel I’m in the same world as then and some things in it are genuinely noble and good. So - it’s raining and people are remembering the time of LAN parties and Steam being unknown. And I’m remembering first installing Settlers, not sure which part. Sorry for the mind dump.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 01:53
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Kinda miss waiting fucking forever for games with multiple CDs. I know I had a game that came retail with 5 discs, I just can’t remember which one. I remember KOTOR had 4.
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 12:19
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I don’t personally remember any game retailing with 5 CDs, 4 was the limit, anything over that and they’d just go for a DVD instead
theangryseal@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 02:18
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A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 13:29
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Same.
And this spurs me to bring up the lie of digital purchases… Which was sold to us on the promise of cheap games. We were promised that if we gave up on physical games, then the devs/publishers wouldnt have to pay for printing manuals/boxes, packaging of games, warehouses to store them, and the cost of shipping to get them to the stores/consumers… Which meant they could sell games for lower costs, that game prices would plumet to 25-30 dollars for brand new day 1 releases… and devs/publishers would still get a bigger chunk of revenue/more money from that, than from the old 50 dollar physical big box games with all the feelies, delicious manuals, disks that meant you can install the game however you want, whenever you want, etc etc.
Instead, what digital purchases have gotten us is… a total lack of ownership, that our games can be taken away from us at any time, for any reason, because buried in all the legalese we don’t “own” anything, we just have a “lease”…and for that, we’ve been given the right to pay 10-20 dollars more for games than what they cost during the physical game era, and the risk of the platform disappearing and taking our or games with it (which I’ve already ran afoul of and drastically altered how i buy games)
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Aug 12:17
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Congrats on finding your Civ2 disc! Do you have a drive to see if it still works?
By the time H3 comes out your great great great grand children will be reminiscing about how games once were about gameplay and plot and not the 100th version of Call of Duty or Assassins Creed. I’d say Madden too but let’s face it no one will play it 150 years from now unless it’s VR.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 06:21
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unless its VR
I thought the same thing about touchscreens when they first came out. I really did think they were the future of gaming. Seemingly limitless buttons in limitless combinations. Touch and drag game pieces directly, action and vision in the same place.
Turns out gaming on mobile is shit. So so shit.
Maybe VR will end up the same way. Its pretty neat now while its still new and shiny, but maybe it never actually reaches potential.
Nah, I’m willing to bet HL3 will come out (at the latest) 5 years after Gaben’s death. Not because he’s witholding it, obviously, but because whoever comes next will probably try to make as much money as possible and that’s an easy first way to do it.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 06:42
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It’s gonna suck when Steam immediately enshitifies to the max after he dies.
I’m still holding out hope that Valve becomes a worker-owned coop when Gaben goes. Internally they’ve been structured that way for years, without traditional “management,” everyone having moving desks where they work on whatever they feel motivated by and most useful at, etc.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net
on 04 Aug 15:31
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Forgot about Valve taking a giant 30% cut and making thousands of people gambling addicts?
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Aug 06:04
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I hope not
Electricd@lemmybefree.net
on 04 Aug 15:30
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I hope SSDs and NVMes are cheaper by the time HL3 comes out
billygoat@catata.fish
on 04 Aug 03:11
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I bet they had a raptor hard drive, something about 160 GB ticked my mind.
Increments of 80 GB were fairly common. My desktop had an 80 GB Maxtor and my laptop later had 320 GB.
In hindsight, I do not remember if the Maxtor was definitely 80 GB, or if Windows was showing it as 80-something GB. But the laptop was definitely 320. I googled it. Google AI of course said “Based on Ebay listings it seems to be 1 TB”, very useful. Spec sheet says 320 GB.
Man, I remember lusting over getting a WD Raptor back in the day. They were so much more expensive and lower data density it I couldn’t justify for my low budget.
As was already said, 160 was pretty common, think increments of 20 or 40 is what i remember. Raptor drives had kinda odd size increments compared to other consumer drives. Looks like it would be 36Gb circa 2003.
I once got some retired scsi drives. Man 10,000rpm drives were loud and hot…
Thanks for bringing back some old memories
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
on 04 Aug 03:22
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Wait until they get to the end of level one and have to turn the tape over and press play.
And I still haven’t gotten past the crabs suddenly showing up and eating your face. I got as far as the flooded corridor and could never find my way out.
When I was young, I was not allowed to install anything on the family PC whatsoever. I had a 100MB Zip disk and was told anything that I wanted to keep, I could keep on there. That disk got a big workout. Had Duke 3D and the Half-Life Uplink demo on there, plus about 30MB to spare! Great days man.
EitherEther@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 12:48
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Hah I was the same. Downloaded demos (happypuppy.com, gamesdomain.com), installed on a Jaz drive.
Those iomega devices had a pretty awesome design.
OmgItBurns@discuss.online
on 04 Aug 13:07
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Oh man I forgot about those site! Back in the day my mom couldn’t afford to get me many new video games, so I’d download tons of demos.
Man I was jelly green over classmates that could afford zip drives. They’d bring it to school retiring computer class, whip it out, both showing off and fake-lamenting that oh they didn’t know the school didn’t have zip drives.
Zip drives filled such a small tech window between floppies & CD-Rs.
I was the ubernerd with the Zip 250, lol
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 13:18
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Looks at 500 gb New Vegas install
Yeah I don’t see the problem here.
PraiseTheSoup@midwest.social
on 04 Aug 14:45
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How is that even possible? Even with 8k retextures of every single asset of the game I can’t imagine it being half that size.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Aug 14:51
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Uncompressed audio and way too many mods with unique assets, also I think something duplicated a bunch of random assets. I’ve tried to fix it but noooo apparently duped ruble13 is load bearing. But hey at least it doesn’t CTD so there’s that, ignore NPCs just not spawning and some terrain just not appearing note this is not due to conflicts it fits when I restart the game and I don’t know if it’s the SSD or not.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net
on 04 Aug 21:06
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To be honest yea, I just feel like it’s pretty much gambling, now that there’s a real market around it. I would be for banning them for minors and regulating them in a similar way
I have heard that people used to be super PISSED that steam is required for valve games. I guess it makes sense now considering hdd sizes back then.
TachyonTele@piefed.social
on 06 Aug 05:46
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I've never been pissed off over a game before i even played it, except for Half Life 2.
Full game on the disk.
Requires internet to install.
Requires Steam.
This was before broadband, so the awesome game you bought hung over won't be installed until late tonight, instead of the normal 10 minutes off the cd.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Aug 16:16
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So. 1 TB drives indeed were out before Half-Life 3.
But I’m nostalgic over a simpler time when 1 GB for a game was a lot.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 12:00
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just cause they were out doesnt mean people had them.
Theres 30tb hard drives today.
You’d be hard pressed to find anyone that had them in their gaming rigs.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 07 Aug 14:47
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I think you’ve missed the joke where Half-Life 3 is still not released.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
on 07 Aug 16:30
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yep, add me to the wooshcrew
JakoJakoJako13@lemmy.world
on 04 Aug 17:43
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Lol those were the days. I remember Simcity 4 releasing back then and how quickly my mod folder blue up. Then by the time that game was old it was only 2.15gb and that was nothing. The jump from >10gb to 50gb games was insane. Now the jump to 100+ Gb hurts a lot. Any time a game is iN MB I do a little happy dance.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com
on 04 Aug 18:00
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I remember clearing drive space on my first computer once, I went off of install size and anything other than a couple of key games that took up multiple hundreds of Mb got the boot and anything less than 100 Mb stayed installed for a bit longer. When you’ve only got a 40GB drive, thems the choices you have to make!
Meanwhile I’ve seen Fortnite literally fail to update with less than 100GB free because it needs to modify so many files in its gigantic install
I’ve now got Steam games spread across 5 hard drives. One of which is a 5tb old school disk drive for the games I have A LOT of user made content for. I’ve gotta be in the terrabytes range at this point.
threaded - newest
They are out… They are out before Half-Life 3…
Fun fact:
There was actually 4 games planned with the fourth one being an epic End Game style cross over finally of Portal, TF, Left for Dead, CS, and Half Life all coming together to fight the combine But unfortunately the series only had a Half Life and decayed down to 2 games in each series.
I want this to be real
I think portal was supposed to be in the HL2 universe, at least at some point… obviously l4d and tf2 are not.
They are canonically in the same universe, there are references to Black Mesa in Portal 2
When I die, I’m gonna close my eyes and dream of this.
People getting whoosed by this is hilarious. Nicely done.
I think the TF2 crossover is just a little too ridiculous.
Yeah i agree
Narrator: Then while Casey sips his tea, dozen of lemmy users think for themselves “heh… stupid casey made me chucke…”. As he puts down his tea he winks, and everyone had a moment there…
We’ll have petabyte drives for $50 before HL3 appears.
Most of the people that made half life 1 and 2 are gone I think. Even if they made half life 3 it likely wouldn't be the game we wanted all those decades ago
People really liked Half-Life Alyx so whoever is in the development team is still capable of making a game people love. Though, ultimately, whether a hypotetical release of Half-Life 3 could live up to the hype or not is irrelevant since no such game will ever be released.
Should I give it another try? I hate the movement so much
I don’t know, I don’t own a VR headset. But I never heard anyone talk about it negatively. Apparently the gameplay is rather restricted since it’s supossed to be a beginner’s VR game but that’s about it.
Half life 3 will simply never live up to the hype/fantasy people have for it ( I think ).
After all this time I feel they’re either never going to release it, or release it when the bar from the public becomes… Realistic.
That was maybe true once, but it’s fading into nothing but a meme. Half life is just not relevant for newer generations.
But that may just be the opportunity… Giving them a reason to care.
We said the same thing about Baldur’s Gate and then BG3 sold gangbusters. It’s possible.
I don’t think they care much about general public expectations, they released Alyx with general public not even having an option to play it. If HL3 will ever be released by the current Valve it will be a game they are proud of themselves to produce.
Lol we got affordable multi terabyte SSDs before HL3
I haven’t bought a non-NVMe drive in the last 5 years.
Me neither, haven’t bought any drives
Get a NAS.
Or, even better, repurpose an old computer. Just stuff it with drives and install truenas.
Well, Petabyte drives are out there for a while. I think their price drop is imminent.
Oh really? I’m assuming not in a consumer form factor? If so that’s completely passed me by
Uh, source?
The biggest I could find is this 245TB SSD from Kioxia
Not in a single drive yet, but very viable in a single server these days.
Fortunately, most HL2 mods were/are nowhere near that big, even the vast majority of total conversions.
Go play Minerva if you never did.
Damn I miss half-life mods.
New ones are still being made. I can’t give specific examples since I don’t play Half-Life mods but I’m sure you can find some pretty cool stuff by looking around.
There are indeed, but the thriving multiplayer mods community is mostly gone. I miss there being dozens of little multiplayer mods with full lobbies. I haven’t found anything that hits the same spot but perhaps I’m just unaware of what’s out there. I wish I could play a few rounds of HL: Vampire Slayer in a full server.
Action Half-Life represent
Is it anything like Action Doom?
1.82 GB out of 160 GB and they are worried. Imagine how they feel now with 500 gb and 1 TB drives with some AAA games being 250 GB.
I was about to say, I recognize that name… Then I saw forum name and the year…
I was there Gandalf, 3000 years ago…
Kids these days don’t know how to have a proper brick party in forums anymore.
Why were drives 160GB? This doesn’t really follow the 2^x pattern…
If the pattern was real 1TB drives would not exist either, since they are about 1.1 TiB.
The base 2 pattern for storage is a new thing with solid state. It just used to be a multiple what whatever they could fit reliably on a platter in a given form factor. As media got better and heads got smaller they just increased to roundish numbers.
I’ve seen weird numbers before like 650 or 520 before.
There never was and neither is that pattern, we now have 1tb, 2, 3, 4, etc, 12, 26tb drives. Whatever size they can fit, they do just as they did before.
Tech prophet circa 2003.
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surprised there hasnt been a linux distro called SiskOS yet.
You know, I wouldn’t be surprised. Space Jesus needs his own OS.
monkeys paw: it gets released but its named after the thong song guy
This is as much of a valid complaint now as it was back then.
There is absolutely no excuse for games now to be over 100GB in storage space. Unless you have the longest game ever that span across like 1 and a half “normal” game lengths. The biggest games now should be 60GB or less. So many developers refuse to compress things that could be compressed with zero noticeable loss in quality except for maybe a camera being really close to an object with an 8k display resolution.
At the absolute worst, do what games used to do for like 6 months before not caring: make the game for 1080p players, compression and all, then offer a free DLC with all the uncompressed stuff. At least make the storage feast optional.
Reminds of the those shitty Battlefront Remasters with upscaled 8 or 4k textures or whatever it was. Games went from being less than 5gbs to being 60 gb or something like that.
I mean, if the base game folder is .8 Gb, then aren’t their 3 mods the 1 Gig culprit? That’s a moddev issues and not many are concerned about optimizations.
Edit: I did misread the bit about the original game size.
You did misread but you’re probably also still correct. The modded game files are 1.82 total while the previous version of the game was 0.837, while I don’t know for sure what the newer version filesize was it was still an odd complaint for them to make.
The most annoying thing is there is a trivial to implement way to close to halve these stupidly inflated sizes: make the highest resolution of textures a free DLC that you optionally install
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A lot of that is shadows and lighting data, sometimes in unusual data structures without readily available compression methods. Compressing textures also impacts load times, obviously decompressing 10gb of jpgs could take a while. Still probably there are good compression methods and good tradeoffs to make, if any AAA studios actually cared about storage space (They do care a lot about GPU memory, just not storage space).
I wish games would release with low/medium, up to 1024x1024 textures and stuff by default and let people choose to download/install higher res stuff. If I’m not going to use the 4k pack, I don’t need it sitting on my hard drive
even 60GB is absurd, tons of games get by just fine with like 10GB while having no lack of content and graphics.
Nah, I understand a AAA game being up to 60GB. Sometimes the amount of content really is that big. Elden Ring, for example. Its a big game with a lot of content, and its pretty close to 60GB I think. And yes, Morrowind has explorable space probably equally as big as Elden Ring for just 1GB. But compared to Elden Ring, Morrowind is like an empty barren wasteland. Maybe Elden Ring’s landmass data could have reduced filesize if it used prodecurally generated mesh if it doesn’t already, but in the end I think 60GB and under is fine.
While indie games can easily fit under 10GB because they are tiny or 2D, I get why bigger AAA games can’t.
Oh that poor innocent soul. They must not have been old enough to remember needing boot disks because your 90s jalopy couldn’t handle Warcraft or Myst.
heck they should try putting in 40 disks just to install word 3.1
The reason why HL3 is not out yet is because valve is waiting for consumer adoption of 10TB drives
I remember buying a 100MB hard drive and thinking how hard it was going to be to use all the space. It really was…
Times have changed.
I remember thinking that about a gigabit hard drive that I ordered from Gateway. I specifically thought, “There is no way that I can ever use all of this.”
This is funny on so many levels, also a vit bitter as well…
Reminds me of the time I had checked my TF2 folder after IDK how many years of playing, and the folder was like 500GB because of temp cached files not being deleted.
what is it about games like gmod TF2 and VR chat that just makes them take like 50gb each
My uneducated guess is that those are from custom stuff found on the servers you visit. Quake 3 and similars (Jedi Outcast/Academy, Unreal Tournament 99/2004) would download any custom maps, player models and skins if the server you were connecting to had any.
Idk about the others but in VRChat it’s animes and furries who don’t compress/resize textures and same with worlds.
At least VRC lets you define max cache size and it generally respects it.
I’m old enough that I got HL2 in a retail box, when it was new.
and the fucking disks installed the game encrypted, and I could not use my computer until the next day, due to it thrashing my HDD and CPU so hard to decrypt the files that my computer was functionally useless that evening, and overnight.
now THAT was some bullshit.
This was too, cause I remember steam games bloating with temp files back in the day and regularly having to clear out the folder so you had HDD space.
I got a code with my 9600XT, it was delayed so long the card was pretty much outdated by the time it came out, but I still had the code that came with it!
Pretty sure I was able to pre load it on steam before release day, I remember I took the day off work just to play it.
That bridge level still, to this day, fires every one of my acrophobic neurons.
I still have my 3 disk box
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I still have my original box/CDs too… i have no idea where they are, but I know i have them…somewhere.
did counter-strike 2 come with half life? i vaguely remember half life but i remember counterstrike 2 being played a lot in the dorm floor in uni. i feel like i remember them being connected some how but i can't recall.
No, Counterstrike 2 came out a couple years ago.
before that was global offensive.
the counter strike that came with HL2 was Counterstrike Source.
CS:S was such a phenominal game… So many years of nights spent staying up till 2am playing on the same server, with the same guys… and all of them gone now, like tears in the rain…
oooh that makes sense; yeah this would have been in 1999/2000ish. i remember a name similar to counterstrike but i wasn't sure
i did a search and i think it was this one i was thinking of actually (source seems to be 2004 remake of it but i was out of uni at that time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Strike_(video_game))
You probably played Counter Strike 1.5 or 1.6, or both at different times, these are the ones that were made off the original Half Life
I remember when Steam came out and everyone hated it because of how slow and buggy it was. Crazy how times have changed.
Steam is still slow and buggy.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Steam used to be slick and fast before it changed over to chromium and started trying to become a social media platform… also wish it had a simplified legacy version so people could still run it on older OSes to run the games they own that only run on older OSes. but apparently thats a super controversial topic that makes people unhinged
The client is still rather resource intensive, it’s just that computers have gotten so much faster that you don’t notice it.
Now, if Valve would ever deal with the download and sync issues, that would be nice.
I installed Steam during a Lan party back in 2007 (i think to play Left 4 Dead) and remember thinking “Damn, not another bloody useless account”. Little did i know :)
I had CS:Source Steam version, except I gifted it unopened (don’t remember why, probably had enough IL-2 and SW:Battlefront and SW:EAW to play) to a friend, so only saw Steam installation on that friend’s PC until much later.
My first Steam game was Empire: Total War, which is, eh, not too old.
BTW, it’s Russia and most disks you would buy in my childhood were pirate localized versions or just pirate versions, sold in underground crossings or in shabby-looking small stores. Nobody here understood what copyright is and how it’s connected to any right, like - really nobody. It’s baffling really when people who confidently and certainly thought of copyright this exact way then, just like everybody around, are today being judgemental and condemn digital piracy. While the new generation which wasn’t very conscious back then - doesn’t. Two-faced cowards. OK.
I’m really nostalgic over all those small stores, because back then not only they existed, but those ugly malls everywhere didn’t exist. Also in underground crossings everything was cleared (probably to make profit for malls ; of course it was illegal to sell there, but - I really feel more for those people than for the law), but now there are stores in them again, mostly coffee and snacks.
I’ve seen licensed localized versions by 1C on small racks in book stores, though, and those weren’t too expensive or bad, and the selection was usually good, but small, still - the people who decided which games were put there had consistently good taste, I’ve seen Thief various parts, Neverwinter Nights, Silent Hunter, various quests, maybe something else there.
I’ve had licensed WarCraft III: Reign of Chaos, my first non-pirate game, and later got The Frozen Throne.
The only place with really many-many official disks I’ve seen in my childhood was Soyuzmultfilm official store (a rare place, I mean, I live in Moscow, it’s huge and is still cool, and it was even cooler), and that place was kinda expensive (and looked expensive).
Though the games causing more nostalgic feelings for me were Dark Swords (an MMORPG much like MUDs) and Wizards’ World (a browser game much like MUDs with very cheerful global chat in a frame to the left) and Travian (still alive, but was better then). There was something called Wizards’ World II (not sure if it was by the same people), which I really liked (well, it was a plagiarism at HotMM, but a nice one, cool graphics and multiplayer). Unfortunately not around anymore.
Honestly I had more than many kids (born around 1996) did, and I’m really ashamed that my dad got depressed and didn’t see me get more useful before dying from Covid. Lots of it was due to his own idiocy, but he’s done a lot and deserved far better regardless.
Honestly rain is the only thing which always, without a single failure, makes me feel I’m in the same world as then and some things in it are genuinely noble and good. So - it’s raining and people are remembering the time of LAN parties and Steam being unknown. And I’m remembering first installing Settlers, not sure which part. Sorry for the mind dump.
Kinda miss waiting fucking forever for games with multiple CDs. I know I had a game that came retail with 5 discs, I just can’t remember which one. I remember KOTOR had 4.
I don’t personally remember any game retailing with 5 CDs, 4 was the limit, anything over that and they’d just go for a DVD instead
Me too. I still have it.
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Edit:
HOLY SHIT!! I’ve been missing my civ II disc for 20 years. It was in my half life 2 box!!!
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I miss box games.
I miss feelies.
Same.
And this spurs me to bring up the lie of digital purchases… Which was sold to us on the promise of cheap games. We were promised that if we gave up on physical games, then the devs/publishers wouldnt have to pay for printing manuals/boxes, packaging of games, warehouses to store them, and the cost of shipping to get them to the stores/consumers… Which meant they could sell games for lower costs, that game prices would plumet to 25-30 dollars for brand new day 1 releases… and devs/publishers would still get a bigger chunk of revenue/more money from that, than from the old 50 dollar physical big box games with all the feelies, delicious manuals, disks that meant you can install the game however you want, whenever you want, etc etc.
Instead, what digital purchases have gotten us is… a total lack of ownership, that our games can be taken away from us at any time, for any reason, because buried in all the legalese we don’t “own” anything, we just have a “lease”…and for that, we’ve been given the right to pay 10-20 dollars more for games than what they cost during the physical game era, and the risk of the platform disappearing and taking our or games with it (which I’ve already ran afoul of and drastically altered how i buy games)
Congrats on finding your Civ2 disc! Do you have a drive to see if it still works?
Yeah I’ll have to hook it up soon. :) I’m just stoked that I found it haha.
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Why does she look much more asian than in the game?
I could be wrong. But i believe i read something that said they changed her model in a couple updates.
I way going to say “gordon as well” but gordon doesn’t really have a model, does he?
I hope 100 TB drives are out by the time HL3 comes out.
By the time H3 comes out your great great great grand children will be reminiscing about how games once were about gameplay and plot and not the 100th version of Call of Duty or Assassins Creed. I’d say Madden too but let’s face it no one will play it 150 years from now unless it’s VR.
I thought the same thing about touchscreens when they first came out. I really did think they were the future of gaming. Seemingly limitless buttons in limitless combinations. Touch and drag game pieces directly, action and vision in the same place.
Turns out gaming on mobile is shit. So so shit.
Maybe VR will end up the same way. Its pretty neat now while its still new and shiny, but maybe it never actually reaches potential.
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The current crop of VR tech dates back to 2012, not exactly what I’d consider new and shiny
Nah, I’m willing to bet HL3 will come out (at the latest) 5 years after Gaben’s death. Not because he’s witholding it, obviously, but because whoever comes next will probably try to make as much money as possible and that’s an easy first way to do it.
It’s gonna suck when Steam immediately enshitifies to the max after he dies.
Yeah, fully expecting that to happen. I wish that guy a long and healthy life and there isn’t an ounce of altruism in that statement.
Any containment plans for when Steam joins the club of shit eventually?
Die, I guess
I’m still holding out hope that Valve becomes a worker-owned coop when Gaben goes. Internally they’ve been structured that way for years, without traditional “management,” everyone having moving desks where they work on whatever they feel motivated by and most useful at, etc.
Forgot about Valve taking a giant 30% cut and making thousands of people gambling addicts?
I hope not
I hope SSDs and NVMes are cheaper by the time HL3 comes out
I bet they had a raptor hard drive, something about 160 GB ticked my mind.
Increments of 80 GB were fairly common. My desktop had an 80 GB Maxtor and my laptop later had 320 GB.
In hindsight, I do not remember if the Maxtor was definitely 80 GB, or if Windows was showing it as 80-something GB. But the laptop was definitely 320. I googled it. Google AI of course said “Based on Ebay listings it seems to be 1 TB”, very useful. Spec sheet says 320 GB.
Man, I remember lusting over getting a WD Raptor back in the day. They were so much more expensive and lower data density it I couldn’t justify for my low budget.
As was already said, 160 was pretty common, think increments of 20 or 40 is what i remember. Raptor drives had kinda odd size increments compared to other consumer drives. Looks like it would be 36Gb circa 2003.
I once got some retired scsi drives. Man 10,000rpm drives were loud and hot…
Thanks for bringing back some old memories
Wait until they get to the end of level one and have to turn the tape over and press play.
The lack of any comment saying “Half life is not retro gaming” is concerning to me.
Half Life came out in 1998 (27 years ago) and this post is from 2003 (22 years ago). Half Life is retro gaming.
Please stop, you are hurting me with facts
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This world is too cruel
I love you had this ready and/or knew exactly where to find it.
I think the first time I saw this meme was an edit posted on Chubbyemu’s channel where she says “I don’t know what -emia means”.
Barely over quarter-century life by now
And I still haven’t gotten past the crabs suddenly showing up and eating your face. I got as far as the flooded corridor and could never find my way out.
I feel like gaming generations are distinct from hardware generations, and we mostly haven’t moved on much from whatever gaming gen Half Life is in.
I don’t understand. Please elaborate
I still remember when I had to reinstall my WindowsXP from the 3GB HDD onto my 1.5GB HDD so I could install The Sims 2
And now 1.5GB RAM won’t even load Windows.
Not even close to loading it
It will. I’ve tried. It’s not a pleasant experience though.
But 2GB on Fedora was pain as well, though definitely more usable.
Puppy linux works quite well with 2gb, on the other hand.
Gone are the days when a game delivered on seven floppy disks was considered “overblown”.
I installed HL2 from five CDs back in the day
Saaaame
I can’t be certain but I seem to recall installing Unreal Tournament 2004 from seven CDs
Lol next thing you know they'll sneak HL3 into a VR game
... oh
HL:A isn’t bad though
Yell that to everyone that refuses to recognize it's HL:3
Who cares about the number. It’s obviously not meant to be the “3” people were waiting for, but it’s a Half Life game giving us lore anyways
There will never be a HL:3 anyways. We’re doomed now.
The next game will be third life or quarter life
When I was young, I was not allowed to install anything on the family PC whatsoever. I had a 100MB Zip disk and was told anything that I wanted to keep, I could keep on there. That disk got a big workout. Had Duke 3D and the Half-Life Uplink demo on there, plus about 30MB to spare! Great days man.
Hah I was the same. Downloaded demos (happypuppy.com, gamesdomain.com), installed on a Jaz drive.
Those iomega devices had a pretty awesome design.
Oh man I forgot about those site! Back in the day my mom couldn’t afford to get me many new video games, so I’d download tons of demos.
Oh, maaaan. HappyPuppy. I haven’t thought of that in ages.
Man I was jelly green over classmates that could afford zip drives. They’d bring it to school retiring computer class, whip it out, both showing off and fake-lamenting that oh they didn’t know the school didn’t have zip drives.
Zip drives filled such a small tech window between floppies & CD-Rs.
I was the ubernerd with the Zip 250, lol
Looks at 500 gb New Vegas install
Yeah I don’t see the problem here.
How is that even possible? Even with 8k retextures of every single asset of the game I can’t imagine it being half that size.
Uncompressed audio and way too many mods with unique assets, also I think something duplicated a bunch of random assets. I’ve tried to fix it but noooo apparently duped ruble13 is load bearing. But hey at least it doesn’t CTD so there’s that, ignore NPCs just not spawning and some terrain just not appearing note this is not due to conflicts it fits when I restart the game and I don’t know if it’s the SSD or not.
Not many people these days understand that Steam used to suck bad.
Now what sucks is that people are okay with underaged kids gambling because, come on, it’s Steam!
I might be hijacking conversations too much…
wait till you hear about CCGs
To be honest yea, I just feel like it’s pretty much gambling, now that there’s a real market around it. I would be for banning them for minors and regulating them in a similar way
I have heard that people used to be super PISSED that steam is required for valve games. I guess it makes sense now considering hdd sizes back then.
I've never been pissed off over a game before i even played it, except for Half Life 2.
Full game on the disk.
Requires internet to install.
Requires Steam.
This was before broadband, so the awesome game you bought hung over won't be installed until late tonight, instead of the normal 10 minutes off the cd.
So. 1 TB drives indeed were out before Half-Life 3.
But I’m nostalgic over a simpler time when 1 GB for a game was a lot.
just cause they were out doesnt mean people had them.
Theres 30tb hard drives today.
You’d be hard pressed to find anyone that had them in their gaming rigs.
I think you’ve missed the joke where Half-Life 3 is still not released.
yep, add me to the wooshcrew
Lol those were the days. I remember Simcity 4 releasing back then and how quickly my mod folder blue up. Then by the time that game was old it was only 2.15gb and that was nothing. The jump from >10gb to 50gb games was insane. Now the jump to 100+ Gb hurts a lot. Any time a game is iN MB I do a little happy dance.
I remember clearing drive space on my first computer once, I went off of install size and anything other than a couple of key games that took up multiple hundreds of Mb got the boot and anything less than 100 Mb stayed installed for a bit longer. When you’ve only got a 40GB drive, thems the choices you have to make!
Meanwhile I’ve seen Fortnite literally fail to update with less than 100GB free because it needs to modify so many files in its gigantic install
Mine was green.
Lol.
I’ve now got Steam games spread across 5 hard drives. One of which is a 5tb old school disk drive for the games I have A LOT of user made content for. I’ve gotta be in the terrabytes range at this point.