Playing GameCube classics, but in 4K on a Mac with PlayStation controllers, just as Nintendo intended.
from LazaroFilm@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 21:54
https://lemmy.world/post/12122962

My son still needs to figure out how to drive straight lol but he’s rocking it at Paper Mario TTYD.

#retrogaming

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The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 22:14 next collapse

This is top tier parenting

tenextrathrills@lemmynsfw.com on 18 Feb 2024 22:45 collapse

I don’t agree. Graphics on older consoles was designed to look good on CRT displays and can look really bad on newer ones. At best this is negligence.

model_tar_gz@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:27 next collapse

Most emulators have video rendering filters for this kind of concern; they have for a long time. SNES9X from more than a decade ago already implemented.

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:50 next collapse

This is GameCube on Dolphin which re renders the whole game is 4K. No pixels visible.

ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 19 Feb 2024 01:47 collapse

Your MacBook display isn’t 4k, buddy.

vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 03:00 collapse

Aspect ratio is off (3024x1964 MBP vs 3840x2160 UHD) but it’s not exactly a low resolution display.

DdCno1@kbin.social on 19 Feb 2024 11:27 collapse

SNES9X from more than a decade ago

This emulator came out 26 years ago and IIRC, it had filters by the very early 2000s at the latest.

accideath@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 12:28 collapse

That is indeed more than a decade ago

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:50 next collapse

This is running Dolphin which can render 3D graphics at higher resolution. Then you can apply high res gesture packs. It ends up turning the game into a next gen game. That only really works with 3D games. snes and other 8-16 bit consoles still benefit from a CRT.

tenextrathrills@lemmynsfw.com on 19 Feb 2024 00:32 collapse

honestly I’m just glad you brought gaming to the Mac

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 01:08 collapse

Ha!

otp@sh.itjust.works on 19 Feb 2024 05:13 next collapse

I’m surprised to see this so downvoted in this community. Maybe people missed the sarcasm in that last bit, lol

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 11:04 collapse

Considering some of the absolutely braindead honest takes on the Internet, it’s hard to tell if it’s sarcasm.

Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip on 19 Feb 2024 20:16 collapse

you are aware that the gamecube was one of the consoles with digital output right?

unlike its sucessor wii which only used analog output, the gamecube was capable of outputting to modern tvs due to having the digital output.

tenextrathrills@lemmynsfw.com on 19 Feb 2024 21:20 collapse

Yeah, I remember the GameCube digital output sucking and going back to using the composite av cable, hence the post.

Get out of here with the “are you aware” poindexter bs

Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip on 20 Feb 2024 00:23 collapse

which doesnt apply to all games on said device. an example is that viewers vastly prefer the cleaner footage that comes off of streams generated by dolphin using slippi over wathing the native crt footage. unlike a single individual (yourself) generalizong the preference, this is a real life scenario with thousands of viewers on the same content, many of which is also very used to the crt as many are also players.

coming from a person who lugged a crt just for melee in college for years.

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mox@lemmy.sdf.org on 18 Feb 2024 22:20 next collapse

God bless the reverse engineers and emulator developers.

gramathy@lemmy.ml on 19 Feb 2024 00:24 collapse

The dolphin team is unironically a group of some of the best software engineers I can think of, solving problems outside the scope of basically any standard industry practice for free and getting results

cheet@infosec.pub on 19 Feb 2024 08:33 next collapse

The blog post they did showing how they do a sort of regression testing is still some of the coolest devops I’ve seen.

Check the FifoCI stuff here.

dolphin-emu.org/…/making-developers-more-producti…

doctorcrimson@lemmy.today on 19 Feb 2024 11:01 collapse

The RPCS3 team who figured out how to emulate the wacky core design of the PS3 are truly mentally unwell and I hope they never get better because the world needs more people like them.

yamanii@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 21:26 collapse

It is truly a marvel and it can run even on CPUs with less cores than it had.

penquin@lemm.ee on 18 Feb 2024 22:29 next collapse

I have a 2TB ssd on my PC that is almost full with all kinds of retro games. All the way up to the PS3. It’s crazy how good these games look on my 4k monitor compared to those tube TV’s I played those games on back in the day. Lol

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 22:38 collapse

It’s amazing! GameCube with Hd textures looks like next gen I love it!

penquin@lemm.ee on 18 Feb 2024 22:41 collapse

And old games are actually a lot more fun than a lot of the new ones. I haven’t played a new title for a long time. Still going through my retro collection. 😁

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:03 collapse

The only thing is some old gave have very wonky camera movements and controls especially for first person like 007. Some have custom controls hacks too.

penquin@lemm.ee on 20 Feb 2024 02:04 collapse

Oh man, 007 is the shit

ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 22:37 next collapse

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AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com on 19 Feb 2024 09:06 collapse

Ah, Harry Picard and the revenge of the king. Big fan of that movie.

CorrodedCranium@leminal.space on 18 Feb 2024 22:43 next collapse

Adding to this you can use Playstation and other controllers with Nintendont. Pretty useful if you have a Wii and want to play GameCube games but don’t have the controllers.

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 01:18 collapse

Yep. And actually the DualShock 4 controller can send motion data so you could use it as a very wonky looking Wii controller. I tried it briefly on MarioKart Wii.

CorrodedCranium@leminal.space on 19 Feb 2024 01:20 collapse

Whoa that’s nifty might have to try it

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 22:45 next collapse

Genuine question because I like retro games, what is the point of 4k here? It’s blocky pixelated Mario kart, is there mods to update textures or something?

fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net on 18 Feb 2024 22:53 next collapse

Yeah there’s usually hidef textures you can download or even just decent up scaling options

imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee on 18 Feb 2024 22:58 next collapse

Yeah “4k” monitor maybe but it looks worse than my old CRT

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:01 collapse

It looks absolutely stunning in 4K no pixels in sight with HD texture packs and 4K 3D renders. Now for older gen’s like SNES your CRT is a definite win.

DdCno1@kbin.social on 18 Feb 2024 22:59 next collapse

It just looks clean. Lowpoly games benefit from running at high resolutions to a surprising degree. The better the art, the more it benefits from being shown with as little obfuscation as possible. There are texture packs and shaders available for popular old games, but even without them, it's often worth it to ramp up the resolution, even far beyond 4K. I've played some old games at ridiculous resolutions like 5k or more, eliminating even a hint of jagged edges. You can then add a touch of retro flair through scanline and bloom shaders.

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:00 next collapse

Yea. There are Hd textures made by fans. And the 3D is generated in 4K. No pixels in sight!!!

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:04 next collapse

More info here for Mario Kart Double Dash. Including a demo video.

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LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 01:16 collapse

All 100% true, this is with HD textures so the game looks like a next gen game.

usrtrv@lemmy.ml on 18 Feb 2024 23:50 next collapse

As others have mentioned, there are two schools of thought.

Crisp 4K rendering, no jagged lines, higher details added in textures, etc

Or emulating the look of a CRT by using high density displays to create the same look.

youtu.be/-B5ebucZ69s?si=0lDLAWdMlN77VQen goes into it a bit. This shows off a device for actual consoles. But the same principal applies when doing it in software for emulators.

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LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 01:15 collapse

I’m a bit in both worlds. I think that the split is at HD games. Up to SNES a CRT really makes things look as they were designed, but once you reach 3D games the low rez really feels like a limitation game designers had to deal with.

Anamana@feddit.de on 19 Feb 2024 01:09 next collapse

If you play these old games in fullhd etc, it actually feels like the game you remember. If you play it in original resolution it’s nothing like that.

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 01:13 collapse

Agreed. That plus the fact that SD on an HD screen looks even worse. HD texture and up scaling really breathes a new life into the games.

x4740N@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 01:47 collapse

It’s also because it’s missing that pattern CRT screens gave to old games

Modern LCD’s don’t have a pattern like CRT

I think their is an option for a simulated CRT pattern in some emulators but I’m not familiar with it

kautau@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 03:00 collapse

The textures themselves remain at their original resolution. But anything that was 3d rendered in the original console (like the karts and characters in Mario kart) will now have crisp lines. Additionally many emulators will support some form of texture scaling to make the original low texture stuff look marginally better. On a system like N64 it’s a toss up on looking significantly better. But on a PS3 emulator for example, since many environments are rendered in 3d, it’s a considerable improvement

UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk on 18 Feb 2024 23:06 next collapse

I played through several GameCube titles using the original Wii along with the Wii2HDMI dongle. I thought the games still looked great even on HD televisions. Burnout 2 is still awesome.

thantik@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:15 next collapse

btw the PS5 controller works flawlessly on the Nintendo Switch.

suction@lemmy.world on 18 Feb 2024 23:33 next collapse

Just as Nintendo nintended.

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 19 Feb 2024 00:06 collapse

They Nintend to do what Nintendon’t.

Strobelt@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 12:55 collapse

Just like the Genesis! youtu.be/k7nsBoqJ6s8?si=ruRS7xOdq_05RuYc

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ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de on 19 Feb 2024 01:46 next collapse

Apple doesn’t even make a 4k macbook…

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Feb 2024 01:53 next collapse

Things still look better at 4k displayed on a 1440p screen than they do at native 1440p. If you have the power excess, why not?

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 02:15 collapse

There’s a 4K tv right above. We actually connected the computer to it not long after the photo.

Thcdenton@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 02:01 next collapse

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Psythik@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 07:23 collapse

Switch games look and run better on PC too.

Huschke@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 08:48 collapse

Very true, Sword and Shield at 60fps is vastly superior to the 20-30 fps you get on Switch.

Psythik@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 10:29 collapse

Not to mention that 60 FPS is at 4K.

pineapplelover@lemm.ee on 19 Feb 2024 02:22 next collapse

Why not connect to tv or a bigger monitor?

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 02:53 collapse

Delay. I have a 4K TV right above but somehow there is significant delay on it.

pineapplelover@lemm.ee on 19 Feb 2024 03:17 next collapse

Interesting. Hopefully you find out the issue.

emptiestplace@lemmy.ml on 19 Feb 2024 03:26 collapse

Does TV have game scene / picture mode? On mine that is more than just different colour settings, it cuts the delay significantly. Also ensure all motion smoothing / interstitial frame generation bullshit is disabled.

technomad@slrpnk.net on 19 Feb 2024 03:30 next collapse

Yo, that laptop looks like it might be suffocating? We just gonna ignore that? Lol

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 03:42 collapse

It was. I added a book under.

technomad@slrpnk.net on 19 Feb 2024 11:02 collapse

😅

uis@lemm.ee on 19 Feb 2024 09:23 next collapse

E-waste

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 12:06 collapse

why e-waste? I’m re-using things. Nothing is wasted. We are re-using controllers to play new games. The waste would be to buy each console. Instead I’m using my work computer to play. I gave my son my old computer and he’s using it now. Nothing is wasted.

uis@lemm.ee on 19 Feb 2024 13:00 collapse

Fine then

doctorcrimson@lemmy.today on 19 Feb 2024 10:59 next collapse

Mac is garbo but at least you found a good use for it.

gmtom@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 11:33 next collapse

“Now that we’ve taken the picture for your Internet points dad, can I back to playing on the PlayStation now?”

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 12:18 collapse

Haha not really. He actually switched to Mario party. He’s also really into Paper Mario TTYD.

Strobelt@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 12:59 next collapse

Doug Bowser wants to know your location

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 13:03 next collapse

I’m at Peach Beach!

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 17:49 collapse

Another castle.

bitwolf@lemmy.one on 19 Feb 2024 20:40 next collapse

I see you Apple Playcube and raise you my Google PlayBox

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LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 19 Feb 2024 22:01 collapse

An then there’s my Apple iDSphone

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Psythik@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 20:34 collapse

I have a foldable phone (Samsung Z Fold 3), which unironically works out perfectly for DS and 2DS games. The only thing missing is the 3D.

yamanii@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 21:25 next collapse

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BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world on 20 Feb 2024 23:58 next collapse

Looks great but I’d plug the laptop into the TV, those games were made to be played on a big screen from the sofa, not gathered around a laptop.

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 21 Feb 2024 01:02 collapse

The TV had some major delay that makes the game les fun somehow. Besides, TVs were much smaller back then. That laptop is bigger than the TV I had back then.

Really_long_toes@lemmy.world on 21 Feb 2024 03:34 collapse

4k… 10 inch screen…weird flex but okay

LazaroFilm@lemmy.world on 21 Feb 2024 03:43 collapse

It’s actually 4x resolution on this screen. I have a 4K 55” on the wall in front but there was some lag and we unplugged it.

Really_long_toes@lemmy.world on 25 Feb 2024 06:41 collapse

Sorry man, I was in a bad mood (quitting smoking) , just hanging shit on a random on the internet… I love video games because you can play however you want to play, as long as you’re having fun bro… I hope you have an awesome day mate