I miss console ads being this weird
from The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to retrogaming@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 12:52
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Jimbabwe@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 13:01 next collapse

Everything reminds me of her…

YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 13:18 next collapse

That’s a lot of ecstasy.

A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 13:36 next collapse

It’s gonna be a fun night followed by a hard, sleepy day

SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 13:39 next collapse

She gonna need some water

jballs@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 19:21 collapse

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe ecstacy is actually dehydrating. Dancing at a rave for hours on end without drinking anything is though.

Crismus@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:39 collapse

Just like SSRI’s, Ecstasy does interfere with your hypothalamus and temperature regulation. So, small energy expenditures creat oversized responses.

You would still sweat heavily doing more than lying down with a fan blowing on you.

sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 03:51 collapse

Yeah, another part of the problem is that you cannot tell that you are hyperthermic and or dehydrated.

Thats how you get the people that dance all night and then just die, or go comatose or pass out.

Your body stops telling you wow, i am way too hot and wow, i really need water.

Sort of like that rare condition where you literally cannot feel pain, and children with it will break their fingers because it feels weird.

kwomp2@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 13:40 collapse

Looks more like a few hours of cramping body and soul followed by 3 days of emotional hangover

rez_doggie@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 13:49 next collapse

Drained

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 16:55 collapse

Ehhhhh so this was in 2000. Your standard ecstasy pill (we’re assuming they’re not pipers; these don’t look shiny and they’re not shaped or outpressed) have between 70mg MDMA and 120mg (if they’re absolute fire.)

This would be about 400mg of MDMA total. While that is quite a lot, you’re not going to have a horrible time—I just wouldn’t do it in public because you WILL be a chattering mess. It’ll still feel amazing, though.

Source: oldhead, last time I rolled it was a total of about 450mg but spread out over hours and I was absolutely not in public, just writing naked with my partner)

kwomp2@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 17:00 collapse

I was gonna add “these days” but didn’t

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 17:06 collapse

Oh GOD I fully agree in that case. Rolls nowadays have up to 300-400mg in a single pill (sounds like you already know that, but I’m just saying this for context in case another reader doesn’t)

That’d be like eating a gram or more of Molly at once, and THAT is for sure not safe and not a good time.

not_that_guy05@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 13:41 next collapse

Eh, not double stacked so it’s ok.

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 16:57 collapse

AKSHULLY that wasn’t a thing in the 2000s, just marketing hype. Rolls back then had between 70 and 120mg of MDMA, and 120 is a basal amount you want to take if you fully want to get rolling.

Now it’s TOTALLY a thing, tons of rolls have 300-400mg in a single pill now. It’s insanity.

dditty@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 17:34 next collapse

Damn that is insane. My skin would slink off if I did 300+

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 18:32 collapse

Recently did 400-450 each with my partner in a night but over the course of a couple hours… definitely not something to do in public hahaha. We were naked, quivering piles of hedonism, writhing in bed for hours in absolute insane, well, ecstasy. It’s aptly named, that’s for sure.

For once, got incredible sleep afterwards and felt awesome the next day! Thank you, sleep.

person420@lemmynsfw.com on 21 Jun 2024 18:47 collapse

Worse than that, that one website dance something that would test pills found that a huge percentage of the “ecstasy” people took didn’t contain MDMA. A surprising amount didn’t even contain illegal drugs. Just over the counter speed.

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 18:50 next collapse

Yah, there were TONS of pipers going around (BZP/TFMPP) when that was legal to buy. I’ve never had one because I could instantly tell when a pill was a piper (shiny, hard, outpress, or shaped.) I could also tell by the taste if I licked it. Headache city apparently.

mox@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 21:12 collapse

Curious. When I last looked (quite a while ago) most of the tested pills were MDMA, with many containing caffeine as well. I guess it varies a lot over time.

dancesafe.org

www.drugsdata.org

person420@lemmynsfw.com on 21 Jun 2024 21:51 collapse

Dancesafe.org was it! I’m going back over 20 years to the late 90’s early 2000’s. I can’t comment on the state of ecstasy today, I haven’t rolled in over 20 years.

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:03 collapse

This is how the girl from that Mitsubishi eclipse car commercial started her night

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 13:30 next collapse

Not much can top the 3DFX VooDoo graphics card boxes.

Mango@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 14:04 next collapse

Unfortunately the nanny state is taking over because it means more religion cult BS.

craftyindividual@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 14:07 next collapse

We had this in the UK for PS 1

The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 14:26 next collapse

Love it.

“Hey, you know what would be a good way to advertise our system? Let’s just give children nightmares for about 40 seconds and then splash our logo on the screen at the end.”

craftyindividual@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 15:03 next collapse

It worked because I still remember it now ;)

zaphod@sopuli.xyz on 21 Jun 2024 19:02 collapse

I think most ads for consoles in the early 2000s were like that, at least for ps1, ps2 and the original xbox. Not necessarily nightmare fuel, just “weird” stuff unrelated to the console or games.

sonymegadrive@feddit.uk on 22 Jun 2024 09:36 collapse

Watching this gave me Aphex Twin vibes. Then I discovered it was directed by Chris Cunningham. So yeah, that’s why

craftyindividual@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 14:51 collapse

Oh wow, that explains a lot!

oce@jlai.lu on 21 Jun 2024 14:52 next collapse

I feel like it means: we are not like Nintendo, we make video games for adults (and children who want to play like adults).

The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 14:55 next collapse

Also, our games are as good as drugs.

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 19:13 collapse

Sony’s version of the classic Sega “Genesis does what Nintendon’t”

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altima_neo@lemmy.zip on 21 Jun 2024 22:03 collapse

Man, everyone was in on it during this era, even Nintendo

youtu.be/yji_sBjt0_U

youtu.be/GmFCSc-iXBo

FinishingDutch@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 15:55 next collapse

I miss that era. Companies didn’t mind a bit of edginess and weren’t afraid to market to adults. The console culture itself also isn’t what it used to be.

These days, gaming consoles all need to be safe enough for five year olds to play on them. And it’s caused everything to be just too bland and safe, both in marketing and the console itself. Can’t really have things like Xbox 360 Uno with the live camera feed and no moderation. Or the wholly uncensored COD lobbies.

stufkes@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 16:21 next collapse

I like the part between your two paragraphs. The early gaming era was really shitty when it came to diversity and… It’s not even representation, it’s not having to play sluts or princesses or whatever.

The now-era is all AAA all-the-same sanitised stuff, nothing to do with lack of edginess. Just corporate safety in mainstream appeal. Currently, indie games are where the experiments and interesting ideas happen.

FinishingDutch@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 16:40 next collapse

I’m certainly not going to say you’re wrong on that first part. I’ve been online since 1996. At that time, the internet was the domain of white, heterosexual, nerdy, generally well educated guys. And me being a white, heterosexual, nerdy, well educated guy… well… going online felt like coming home. Those were my people. I still really miss those days.

But I also know that the experience of someone not like me would’ve been wildly different. I learned a bajillion slurs on COD lobbies after all. It’s a good thing that more people now feel welcome online, as it led to platform growth and functionality that we otherwise wouldn’t have had if it was just ‘my kind of people’.

The current safe, sanitised, gentrified gaming sphere also has benefits: COD lobbies these days are very pleasant by comparison. You even have to sign a code of conduct to get on multiplayer. It feels more welcoming, less hostile. Of course, companies certainly have been financially incentivized to attract as wide an audience as possible. For example, the very first GTA game sold about 6 million copies. GTA V has sold 200 million. And with ever-increasing development budgets, you can’t afford to cater to a niche, you want to cast as wide a net as possible to recoup those costs.

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:24 next collapse

Bro here in Brazil, we have slurs in the millions since gaming took of in the 90s

The number reaches the Brazillions

FinishingDutch@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:52 next collapse

I don’t think I’ve met any Brazilians back in those days; (online) gaming is really expensive there from what I heard, right?

One fun thing in the old COD lobbies was always to teach others slurs and general cursing in your language. I learned how to curse folks out in like 50 languages. Each country also has its own unique style of cursing. We Dutch really like to incorporate diseases for example.

stufkes@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:12 next collapse

Oh yeah, I was so bewildered when I read “kanker, ga lopen!” for the first time!

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:31 collapse

Classic perkele dyas

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:15 collapse

A lot were in tibia, RO, Mu, AOE and other classics like Ultima, xeminos and lineage

Wild times but no voice chat so that was nice 👍

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:24 collapse

The number reaches the Brazillions

hahaha ;D

I used to play Rune Quake with a guy on MPlayer named ‘svfox’ and he was from Brazil - this was 96/97. I miss him sometimes; we managed to lock down games of Rune Quake and CTF we played so well together.

stufkes@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:11 collapse

“the internet was the domain of white, heterosexual, nerdy, generally well educated guys. And me being a white, heterosexual, nerdy, well educated guy… well… going online felt like coming home. Those were my people”

Thank you for putting it so clearly. Yes, it is completely valid to long for a time where the own niche was the in-group. As someone who’s been on the web from early on but a woman, it wasn’t really “my people”. It was never a safe space for me, but I totally understand where you are coming from. It’s great to be on the side of the “default”.

The only spaces I genuinely miss are phpbb forums. I honestly believe they are better than reddit, or the fediverse for that matter. Smaller interest groups have a self selection mechanism and better moderation. I think they could still foster a great environment today that would welcome nerdy educated people on a shared interest without specifically speaking to just one type of educated nerds.

FinishingDutch@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:46 collapse

I miss forums as well, and I’m actually moving back to them. Back in the early 2000’s, I visited like a dozen forums each day. I was a member of like three watch forums, a camera forum, a Star Trek forum, some gaming forums and others. Just ‘doing the rounds’ kept you busy for a while. People also were insanely knowledgeable on those niche forums, and they all had their own specific culture and flavor to them.

Places like a niche subreddit are… OK at best. They are convenient and easy to visit, but don’t tend to have the level of knowledge and discourse that I generally enjoy. You also run the risk of your sub getting ruined by people who are into the wrong aspects of your particular hobby. For example, on a watch FORUM, the discussions are about design, mechanical features, history, photography, how to repair, etc. etc. On the subreddit, a lot of posts tended to be drive-by posters who ‘found a watch and wanted to know what it’s worth’. or ‘is this fake’. The subreddit didn’t curb that, so eventually I and many others just stopped going there. It was basically too easy for people to post there just because, well, they could. Whereas on an actual watch forum, you can do a bit stricter moderation and the registration requirement weeds out low effort posting.

Some consider that ‘gatekeeping’, but I see it as a valid way of protecting one’s chosen community.

mox@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 21:02 collapse

It was basically too easy for people to post there just because, well, they could.

I expect the difference you’re describing was partly due to moderation (and lack thereof), but also partly due to the barrier to entry imposed by the forum signup process.

Unfortunately, the signup barrier cuts both ways: Despite loving high-quality discussion forums, I seldom bother participating in them these days, mainly because jumping through signup/captcha/email-validation hoops and then having to maintain yet another set of credentials for yet another site, forever, became too much hassle once I had more than a couple dozen. (I have hundreds, so I’m very reluctant to add to the pile.)

OpenID managed to solve a good deal of that hassle, but it’s mostly forgotten these days. I think well-moderated federated services have the potential to solve it completely, though. Here’s hoping.

nl4real@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:53 next collapse

Yeah, gaming (and tech in general) going mainstream brought with it both the good and the bad. More diversity, but also more corporate consolidation.

tjsauce@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:07 next collapse

It’s the eternal pendulum swinging between slut and saint, whore and Madonna. AAA games are afraid of sexuality, and one can see why when looking back on how Lara Croft was portrayed in magazines. We need games that, when appropriate, acknowledge sexuality in a way that reflects its role in people’s lives.

BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 22:44 collapse

didnt bladurs gate 3 just come out and has sex scenes?

[deleted] on 22 Jun 2024 10:10 collapse

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pyre@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:27 next collapse

this isn’t marketing to adults. it’s marketing to teenage boys.

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br on 22 Jun 2024 04:09 collapse

They were pretty sexist tho.

stufkes@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 16:24 next collapse

Honestly, it puts me off completely. I’m a woman and this is what gaming used to be: women are sluts. The ad isn’t even trying to be clever or anything. Like wtf is this this trying to say?

domdanial@reddthat.com on 21 Jun 2024 16:41 next collapse

The ad is saying PlayStation is as good as drugs? I’m assuming that the little tabs are supposed to be exctacy or something.

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Jun 2024 17:17 next collapse

Ecstasy.

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:21 next collapse

Exactly

EverythingIsALot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Jun 2024 18:52 collapse

eccentric

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:29 collapse

Eggcelent

ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 07:35 collapse

sexelent

hoss@lemmynsfw.com on 21 Jun 2024 18:55 collapse

Exstacltsy

stufkes@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:03 collapse

And why is it a “trashy hot” woman despite the target audience being 99% young men at the time? This is what I mean. The ad speaks to a target audience that is not on the poster.

AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:12 collapse

Oh, she’s trashy? Why? Please don’t tell us you did not get whooshed by the ad now.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:35 collapse

Oh, she’s trashy? Why? Please don’t tell us you did not get whooshed by the ad now.

The ad has combined the image of putting tablets on a womans tongue, while also having her in a pose with tongue out that is also used to imply the desire to perform oral sex. This is highlighted by the fact she is looking up, with the camera focused on her face.

That said, I’m guessing here, but I’m sure as hell not going to tell a woman she’s not allowed to be offended by sexualization of another woman to sell Playstations.

gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 18:38 next collapse

her in a pose with tongue out

Yeah, so you can see the logos forming the pattern of the face buttons on the pills.

This is highlighted by the fact she is looking up, with the camera focused on her face.

becausw she’s getting high, this is really common “being high” imagery. That’s even why it looks slightly sexual: orgasms are just a different kind of high.

but I’m sure as hell not going to tell a woman she’s not allowed to be offended by sexualization of another woman to sell Playstations.

Nobody said she can’t be, they just pointed out her reasoning doesn’t really hold much water, because it doesn’t. People can feel however they want about something, none of us can stop them.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:55 collapse

her in a pose with tongue out

Yeah, so you can see the logos forming the pattern of the face buttons on the pills.

Are you seriously implying this is the only pose you could use to show that off?

Nobody said she can’t be, they just pointed out her reasoning doesn’t really hold much water, because it doesn’t.

Ah, ok, I understand now.

gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 19:21 collapse

Are you seriously implying this is the only pose you could use to show that off?

No, don’t put words in other people’s mouths. Just because you read it as sexual does not mean that was the intention

Mansplain

Nobody’s been condescending but you, motherfucker.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:45 collapse

Nobody’s been condescending but you, motherfucker.

Hahahhahahah

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gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 20:12 collapse

Bruh, what?

AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:07 collapse

When i saw this ad, all i thought was ecstasy, rave and playstation. Not “women are sluts” or anything like it. If i didn’t get the reference, i probably would think the same about the ad as her. I don’t think she got the reference, not after her initial comment.

Tongue out with ecstasy on is something you would see at raves. The eyes up is odd i give you that, that’s made to look submissive, and sure there are sexual connotations, advertisers are clever.

But raves were also not some sterile asexual gatherings either. I don’t know.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:30 collapse

Tongue out with ecstasy on is something you would see at raves. The eyes up is odd i give you that, that’s made to look submissive, and sure there are sexual connotations, advertisers are clever.

Yeah exactly, but also come on everyone, ecstasy is a drug that tends to make you want to fuck. So I think the ad -> sluttiness could be from, and I’m guessing here, that she’s in a submissive pose that just so happens to be identical to a sexual one, taking a drug that makes one want to fuck, and that’s her ‘role’ in this ad.

That said, you’ll notice not a single person asking the woman who posted why she saw it that way, they just jumped to tell her she’s wrong.

So @stufkes@lemmy.world , on behalf of men on lemmy, I’m sorry you got this reaction. I really hope at least one person in this thread goes “Wait… I don’t see it as problematic, but someone else does. Maybe I should understand why?”

AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:13 collapse

I should not have replied to her but kept to myself.

I don’t care about the ad, never was a gamer, just stumbled in here via all.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:19 collapse

I should not have replied to her but kept to myself.

I don’t care about the ad, never was a gamer, just stumbled in here via all.

The fact you have the wherewithal to say that means you’re basically there already. A simple “Huh, why?” goes a long way.

AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:33 collapse

You want me to ask why she feels that way about the ad? She already said why, i’m good thanks, not following this topic any longer.

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 16:44 next collapse

“Playstation is a drug”

It’s edgy marketing. You’re not wrong it’s also clearly sexualizing her, but they’re pushing a console like a party drug.

On the one hand, it’s a very dated ad, on the other I really wish marketing companies would do weird shit like this more. Just maybe with a bit less sex appeal?

nikaaa@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 16:56 next collapse

Just maybe with a bit less sex appeal?

Counter point: sex appeal is fine.

It’s the people who are pushy irl who are the problem. IMO you can still be very “sexy” and as long as you don’t push it, that’s not a problem.

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:10 collapse

Said to another commenter as well, but listen I’m not going to respond to a woman saying an ad is gross and off putting by telling her to lighten up.

FunnyUsername@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:06 collapse

Go ahead. Down votes are meaningless here.

Edit: keep em coming gargles

ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 16:58 collapse

There’s nothing wrong with sex appeal. Removing sex appeal, drugs, whatever else is how you get boring corpo bullshit ads instead of edgy corpo bullshit ads.

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:10 next collapse

Listen I’m not going to respond to a woman saying an ad is gross and off putting by telling her to lighten up.

ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 18:22 next collapse

That’s why I responded to you and not her 😅

SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 19:22 collapse

Why not? A woman can’t have a idiotic opinion? That’s sexist!

ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:14 collapse

They absolutely can. This just isn’t really one of them. Ads in the 90s all treated women as sex objects to be “played”. And this ad isnt wild in that regard, but you’re kidding yourself if you think they didn’t choose that angle and lighting deliberately.

Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 17:19 next collapse

…and let’s be fair, it’s an ad so the corpo bullshit is mandatory.

paraphrand@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:41 next collapse

I dunno if corpos hiding under sex and drugs to lure people to their corpo products is a great reality either.

ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 18:47 next collapse

Maybe not but it’s certainly more entertaining. This ad doesn’t make me want a PlayStation, it makes me want to go out and party

crank0271@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:48 collapse

Maybe not, but damn it, that’s our reality. I kind of like it better than the hollow virtue signaling these days. And of course it would be great if corporations could actually be virtuous, but apparently that’s been litigated away.

groucho@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 18:45 collapse

Nah this is still corpo bullshit. It’s also one of the tamer specimens of that era. The only difference is, the corpos in charge of advertising at that time were all sentient hardons who heard stories about how drugs are and peaked at 14. None of them lived in the real world and they just churned out knee-jerk sexist bullshit because they wanted to appeal to boys going through puberty and men that never left that headspace.

<rant> A lot of the ads from that era are uncomfortable. Hell, a lot of the games were. It was rare to see a female character that wasn’t ditzy and helpless, a thinly-veiled copy of the writer’s mom, or exactly like a dude but hot. Those were the options. I’m not saying I needed every game to be a work of great literature with complex and tormented characters and copious backstory; I just wanted female characters in games that didn’t like someone doing a ventriloquism act with their fleshlight.

I ended up chasing gameplay and trying to ignore how fucking awkward and immature most of the shooters were in that era and I don’t think I was alone. I think a lot of gamers grew up and drove the market in a slightly more mature direction. Some people blame woke bullshit, but for me it was just being utterly sick of how fucking juvenile everything was and voting with my money. There’s still a vocal minority out there that wants the good old days back, but I’d stop playing if the industry went back to exclusively 3xtr33m l33t 4ct10n d00d bullshit.

Sidenote: I played the demo for some Cliffy B game a decade ago on my XBox and hard-quit and deleted when the guy on my comms told me to “fire a rocket directly up the bad guy’s poop chute.” I was in my 30s and Cliff was probably pushing 40 at the time. What the hell? Are we nine years old again? Then again, he was the guy that threw his cat into his scanner and posted a picture of it every day until the internet told him to stop. Ugh. Let’s never go back there. </rant>

ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 18:59 next collapse

I’m 41 now, so I was around for all that stuff. I must admit, I love those old ’90s and early ’00s games like Duke Nukem. I was also going through puberty at the time, so there’s that nostalgic factor.

I don’t think those days are ever coming back, and I’m okay with that. I enjoyed those games at the time, but I can now see how others may have found them offensive—something I never really considered back then. Many of those ads and games were a product of their time, reflecting the MTV era, which, as we know, eventually gave way to reality TV, for better or worse.

These days, it seems like we’ve evolved in some ways but regressed in others, with thousands of porn games on Steam, which is definitely not my thing. I appreciate that the industry has matured and is now more inclusive and diverse. While there’s still room for improvement, I’m glad to see that gaming can offer more sophisticated and varied content that appeals to a broader audience.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:39 collapse

None of them lived in the real world and they just churned out knee-jerk sexist bullshit because they wanted to appeal to boys going through puberty and men that never left that headspace.

It really took the industry a long time to get out of that, too. It was all through the early 2000’s, and people forget, also had wonderful shit like:

this, which should have taken that franchise down. People just gloss over it now like ‘oh yeah, haha, people were just like that back in… 2009!? Oh, shit, uh…’

(EDIT: Feel free to explain your downvote, you miss ads like this?)

groucho@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 22:27 next collapse

Lol that’s awful. 2009?!

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:34 collapse

Yes, and I really hope more people see this. It was an embarrassment, and people tried to quickly forget. Before they did though, we got to see the absolute art piece that was the Battlefield teams response.

groucho@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 22:51 collapse

Yeah that’s actually funny. Calling it FRAGS is just the icing.

Now that it’s less broken, I’ve been playing Cyberpunk a lot and it feels like edgy shit done correctly. All the big tough guys are actually just weirdos enamored with the sound of their own voice, the ads are ludicrously over the top, it’s bloody, and everyone’s a human being. I haven’t felt gross with any of the content in it so far and it has at least as many strippers as Duke 3D had. I think the loud edgelords keep trying to paint it as free speech vs censorship but it’s really about not making players complicit in whatever infantile world view the director has.

tjsauce@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:32 collapse

Not the downvoter, but i appereciate how the punchline of the ad wasn’t explicitly spelled out, despite the punchline being “slur funny.”

I feel like we tolerated the assholes of the time because, immature though they were, they were the life of the party, which was “the point” of gaming for a demographic, to be the exact opposite of work in every way.

We need high-energy, charismatic, boundary pushing people if we want games that are fresh and innovative. Unfortunately, those tendencies can amplify the worst in us. But we don’t need to tolerate asholism for the sake of entertainment, its never worth it.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:41 collapse

I feel like we tolerated the assholes of the time because, immature though they were, they were the life of the party, which was “the point” of gaming for a demographic, to be the exact opposite of work in every way.

Hard disagree there, particularly as someone who worked in the industry, has a gay kid, and worked with women in the industry. The ‘frat boy’ stuff was amusing to 13 year old fans, sure, but it was abusive, cruel, and awful to be anywhere near. There’s a billion different ways to achieve the same objective without being homophobic, sexist, etc, like say this masterpiece response to said ad.

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 16:58 next collapse

Ayyyooo you don’t hafta be a slut to love MDMA

YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:18 collapse

Doesn’t hurt though.

Skullgrid@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:30 next collapse

I’m a woman and this is what gaming used to be: women are sluts.

Why is this saying the woman is a prostitute?

What is wrong if she was one?

semi trolling.

Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 18:59 next collapse

It was a serious problem for a long time. Late 90’s/early 2000’s E3 and game shows were greasy.

I remember gaming magazines running whole sections just on the “best booth babes” of the season.

TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:43 collapse

Late 90’s/early 2000’s E3 and game shows were greasy

I posted this elsewhere, but people pretend like that just ended abruptly in 2005, but I want people to always remember this shit. That’s 2009, not 1999, gross.

[deleted] on 21 Jun 2024 19:19 next collapse

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JohnSwanFromTheLough@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:26 next collapse

Seriously, that is not the message this ad is putting out. It’s about PlayStation being a drug, like ecstasy pills

Your right it’s not clever but it’s pretty clear it’s nothing to do with woman being sluts.

Miaou@jlai.lu on 22 Jun 2024 01:04 collapse

You seriously can’t see how this is sexualizing women?

viking@infosec.pub on 22 Jun 2024 04:46 collapse

Not the OP, but I for once can’t. She’s not sexualized in any way.

Miaou@jlai.lu on 22 Jun 2024 18:04 collapse

Remove the pills on her tongue and this is your typical porn-shoot picture. Lucky you I guess for not seeing that.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 21:11 next collapse

Your homophobia/sex negativity is noted.

Given this is a print ad, I think the primary payload is just “SEX DRUGS AND ROCK & ROLL” shouted as loud as it can to get the reader to stop flipping through the magazine and actually look at it, and then once it’s got the reader by the foveas it then says “Sony Playstation 2. Circle Cross Triangle Square.”

PS2 launched in late 2000 so this ad would be targeting tween, teen and young adult millennial boys and men, so the secondary payload here is to associate the PS2 brand with thoughts and imagery that demographic is interested in or curious about, such as clubs/raves/parties, girls, sex, party drugs, and sex with girls on party drugs at a club or rave and thus transfer some of that interest/curiosity to itself.

The tertiary payload would be to use association with more grown up imagery (also during this time were ads featuring four condoms in see-through packets bent into the Circle-Cross-Triangle-Square shapes among others) to set themselves apart from Nintendo, who generally maintains an all-ages friendly image, and especially during the GameCube era when they revealed The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker to much fan backlash at the “childish, cartoony” graphics. The PS2 looked more like a piece of AV equipment than Nintendo’s Barney The Dinosaur purple box, and could play audio CDs and DVD movies, VERY important socializing tools for teens in the 2000s.

Bottom line is it FUCKING worked. The PS2 sold like toilet paper. Sony sold 155 million PS2s worldwide, Outselling the GameCube (21.7 million and the Wii (101.7 million) combined And they did it with ads that said “Hey, if you’re grown up and with it enough to recognize what this chick is doing, ours is the game console for you.”

p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 00:14 next collapse

Bottom line is it FUCKING worked. The PS2 sold like toilet paper.

You really didn’t need the ads. PS2 absolutely dominated because they were the ones with the all of the huge publishers. Sega, Nintendo, and Microsoft couldn’t hold a candle to the sheer amount of great exclusives. It was only when Xbox 360 and later the Wii came out did the console wars start to shift.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 22 Jun 2024 05:19 collapse

You could present your valid argument without calling in homophobia.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 14:42 collapse

It was this webcomic that put this idea in my head and I just can’t stop seeing it everywhere “I don’t like this because I’m a woman” comes up. The original commenter also slut shamed the model in the ad which is why I figure it’s either homophobia or sex negativity in general.

But yeah yeah I know homophobia is bad and you can’t accuse women of being bad.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 21:25 next collapse

Oh yeah, the culture was toxic af. Lots of folks never grew out of the toxicity. Granted it was preexisting toxicity coopted and reinforced in the gaming culture, not created by it. We’re in a much better place in that regard these days.

p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 00:14 next collapse

No, the imagery was supposed to invoke the rave culture at the time. Lots of men, women, boys, and girls doing X, and the pills usually were white like that.

eugene171@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 01:07 collapse

Did you just mansplain how to take this ad?

AVincentInSpace@pawb.social on 22 Jun 2024 01:27 collapse

She asked a question. It was answered.

Maggoty@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:43 next collapse

Our games are as good as drugs.

Miaou@jlai.lu on 22 Jun 2024 01:12 next collapse

The answers to your comments are depressing. Good luck with everything!

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br on 22 Jun 2024 04:13 next collapse

People arguing with you without acknowledging that this was just an ad in a sea of sexist as fuck ads. Maybe is not as sexist as the average one, but still.

Cryophilia@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 20:40 next collapse

If you see this girl as a slut, that’s a you issue lol. Might want to do some therapy about that.

Syrc@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 01:13 collapse
B0NK3RS@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 17:08 next collapse

There were some bizarre ads from around the late 90s to early 00s.

The Dreamcast Barber comes to mind.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:47 collapse
SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social on 21 Jun 2024 17:26 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/55fb251d-77b1-4277-89eb-386b2d8af4e9.jpeg">

Rockstar used to go pretty hard.

b000rg@midwest.social on 21 Jun 2024 17:46 next collapse

This game, appropriately, is where I learned there was such a thing as uppers and downers.

deezbutts@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 22:51 next collapse

All right I’ll ask the dumb question here, what am I looking at? From what I can tell they are tiny empty bags

31337@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 22:55 next collapse

Those type of bags are usually used to hold illicit substances, and typically only bought by small-time drug dealers.

SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Jun 2024 23:07 collapse

And board game players!

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 22 Jun 2024 02:11 next collapse

And electronics hobbyists!

humorlessrepost@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:52 collapse

And toenail collectors!

revlayle@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 18:29 collapse

And my sword!

mPony@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:55 collapse

board game baggies usually have a tiny hole in them, to let the air out when you’re packing the game away. not so great if you’re muleing some molly to your weekly game of Wingspan

dumbass@leminal.space on 22 Jun 2024 05:20 next collapse

The Bags that spare buttons come in, or how I used to get all my drugs.

JudahBenHur@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 09:55 collapse

awww youve never bought street powders thats nice

phoneymouse@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:56 next collapse

It’s likely they were trying to get the news riled up so they could cause a moral outrage that would attract attention to the game.

grrgyle@slrpnk.net on 22 Jun 2024 01:46 collapse

When the marketing agency jumps the shark

DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml on 21 Jun 2024 17:58 next collapse

“Only Happy When it Rains” automatically begins playing in head

jadedwench@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 02:14 collapse

Wait, is that actually Garbage? That was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the picture. That Bond music video she did was awesome. World is Not Enough.

OozingPositron@feddit.cl on 21 Jun 2024 19:07 next collapse

Sovl.

namelivia@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:06 next collapse

90s SEGA was the OG of this, we need 90s SEGA back

Zink@programming.dev on 21 Jun 2024 22:26 collapse

Coffee?

Tea?

SEGA!!!

DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Jun 2024 22:16 next collapse

“Live in your world. Play in ours.”

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:45 collapse

I still have my megatokyo sticker, “Live in your world. Die in ours.” Probably couldn’t be that edgy anymore, but I still like it.

mox@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 23:51 next collapse

Welcome to the Third Place (David Lynch)

tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 00:44 next collapse

I like the PS2 ad that pretended to be a PS9 ad

youtu.be/QP2wuDts3S4

NaoPb@eviltoast.org on 22 Jun 2024 18:36 collapse

What dpes that voice say in the end?

Playstation two, the …

mox@lemmy.sdf.org on 22 Jun 2024 19:49 collapse

“…third place.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_place

Etterra@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:42 next collapse

My cousin told me that she ODed so hard that they had to put her in an institution where she spends all day thinking she’s at a rave.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 09:15 collapse

Is that institution on a Spanish island?

Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 11:47 collapse

Ibitha

Beetschnapps@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 19:59 collapse

It’s pronounced “Ibiza”… Batman said so

catch22@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 02:29 next collapse

SEGA!!!

Shardikprime@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:45 next collapse

On the switch you can get the same rush of the times of yore

dgbbad@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 08:03 collapse

I heard this.

sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 03:54 next collapse

Can someone make a version of this photo, but its acetaminophen and the girl is just up-aged to how old she’d be now?

JudahBenHur@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 09:54 collapse

thyroid medication

RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 04:35 next collapse

PS2 is retro now? Damn, getting old really does sneak up on you.

dumbass@leminal.space on 22 Jun 2024 05:18 next collapse

Ps3 is starting to be referenced as retro now…

EddoWagt@feddit.nl on 22 Jun 2024 09:43 next collapse

That one does hurt

dumbass@leminal.space on 22 Jun 2024 10:46 collapse

But also, people wondered why our generation loved taking drugs and being weird fucks…

thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 14:16 collapse

When ‘next gen’ (eg. PS5) becomes the new ‘current gen’, then the old ‘last gen’ becomes retro.

smaximov@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 05:28 next collapse

It has been for a long time.

Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 09:27 collapse

I found my Green game boy Pocket and saw the 1989-1996 copyright.

It looks so pristine. 😭😭😭

JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 12:44 next collapse

I find this funny, since I used to hide drugs like mushrooms inside consoles. I figured it was the one place literally no one would think to look. Just unscrewed them, put a baggie inside in one of those empty spaces (there’s always a spot), and put the case back together.

WhoaDang@reddthat.com on 22 Jun 2024 18:51 next collapse

This isn’t a real PS2 ad. It’s a fake created a few years ago by an influencer named Shy Smith.

secret300@lemmy.sdf.org on 22 Jun 2024 20:17 collapse

Aww damn, I definitely thought it was real and in some video game magazine

[deleted] on 22 Jun 2024 18:51 next collapse

.

[deleted] on 22 Jun 2024 18:55 next collapse

.

librejoe@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 19:32 next collapse

This is dumb.

lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 20:07 next collapse

youtu.be/6ICS6IV6ELY

youtu.be/EacZguvbZ5s

These were made for the UK market to promote the PSP.

cRazi_man@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 21:08 collapse

If ads were interesting and creative, I might have turned off my adblockers to watch them.

EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de on 23 Jun 2024 01:24 collapse

I don’t think an ad with this kind of imagery would fly today