I used (for a short time) to maintain a usage of Twitter instead of X, to participate on pissing of Musk along with the crowd, but to me it makes no sense anymore, X is indeed not what Twitter was years ago. It’s not a name rebranding anymore, we all here know that. And IMO, Rust would not have left Twitter, like I wouldn’t have. We left X, with everything that new name carries with.
Functionality changes, community and users are changing and off course the leadership, rights and branding changed. Right, I think its fair to distinguish the Musk era with his X branding, from the legacy Twitter. So I give you that.
Anyway, I don’t think the world needs 20 different alternatives to Twitter, just like we don’t need 20 alternatives to Linux, Python, the W3C, or Rust.
What seems ideal is a single dominant system run by people whose authority comes from a broad consensus of the stakeholders, plus a limited number of competitors that could conceivably take over, but only if the dominant system is badly mismanaged. Having alternatives keeps the market leaders honest and provides space to try out new ideas that can either serve a different niche or be incorporated into the dominant system, but in a space where compatibility and network effects are so important, I want there to be a clear leader that most users can rally around, and that most developers can target to benefit the greatest number of users.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today
on 05 Apr 20:03
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I don’t understand why any business is active on any social media, especially ones run by billionaires.
Post your shit to a website.
Have it auto-mirror to a social media platform.
Funnel questions back to your own website.
Done.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 20:57
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Consumers are lazy and are trained that anything not on an app is dangerous and scary.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 17:09
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As a privacy advocate, I have the opposite reaction: almost every app is dangerous and scary. If it doesn’t have a nice mobile web app, I’ll try to avoid it on my phone.
firelizzard@programming.dev
on 05 Apr 23:32
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Marketing. People expect to see different things on a website vs Twitter/X so the same content won’t perform the same on each. So for a business it makes sense to post different things on your website vs Twitter/X.
MXX53@programming.dev
on 05 Apr 23:34
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I have been recently reminiscing with some friends about the internet back when instead of massive websites that held everything, there were small forums with specialized focus. You could get to know the people in the forums over time. It was so much better than the shit that exists today.
I would love to join forums made by these projects. I don’t care if I have to have a bunch of accounts. Individual forums and RSS feeds are awesome. Since moving to RSS I have drastically reduced my mindless scrolling.
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 15:18
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Ah yes phpBB those were the days. Wait, no they weren’t. They sucked. Old forum software was one of the worst computing experiences I remember.
Want to download a custom Android ROM? Hope you like reading through this 120 page thread one page at a time. Oh and each message will be surrounded by a metric mile of profile pictures and signature.
conicalscientist@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 23:48
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Flat forums weren’t just for downloading Android ROMs. Forums were meant for linear one-to-one discussion. All the eye bleed can be disabled anyways. I haven’t looked at avatars or signatures in decades.
Besides has there been a better solution? People were still using XDA forums last I checked. Which has been several years so I don’t know. XDA evolved around dedicated individuals who kept a top post updated with relevant info. So the problem was kind of solved after a while.
That’s what it is most of the time. The thing is that native content just does a lot better than linked content. Think about how often someone will see a link and not click it. If they don’t have to click and you meet them on the website they’re already on, your content is consumed a lot more. I’m not just talking about so-called “content creators”, but also things like what the Rust account would post.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 03:18
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It’s pretty easy to automate posting content instead of just a link.
Holy crap. I don’t go on Twitsack any more but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the remaining people are clowns.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 03:16
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It’s funny how many people care one way or another. It’s a programming language, and if I want updates, I’ll check their changelog. They have incredibly consistent releases, so why would I need a notification on SM when they release again on that schedule?
I don’t get it. Post or don’t, I don’t care, just write good code.
Honestly I’m laughing at those comments. Most of them are outright pathetic, not just sad or annoyed or smug but childish and pathetic.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
on 06 Apr 01:33
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Why are people using bluesky? Just use mastodon or something else federated. Stay are from centralized platforms
buddascrayon@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 15:51
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First off they are using Mastodon. And secondly Mastodon is still pretty half baked as a platform. If it was as far along as Lemmy is, which is ironic because I think Mastodon was developed first, then people would probably be using it more. I just don’t think anyone’s putting in the man hours to streamline it the way they have with Lemmy.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:30
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There’s work ongoing right now in making it easier to run a small appview, and the relay is cheaper to run than the appview and very manageable by even small companies
The appview needs to index the relay contents to build a view of the whole network, the relay is just a type of CDN, and is NOT that expensive. There are multiple individuals maintaining full copies right now, while the network is at double digit millions of users. The relay is by far less expensive.
You’re looking at poorly matched cloud options in that article. The individuals doing it does it easily on a NAS and equivalent. The cost from running public relays will come from traffic, not storage
It’s the appview that needs to be made lighter, and that work is progressing. Like building variants you can self host which are selective and only care about content from your network (and only fetching other content as needed)
The appview needs to index the relay contents to build a view of the whole network, the relay is just a type of CDN, and is NOT that expensive. There are multiple individuals maintaining full copies right now, while the network is at double digit millions of users. The relay is by far less expensive.
Great, but how much do these people pay to maintain a relay of the entire network? I bet a lot more than for a fediverse server that only has to maintain a small fraction of the whole network.
There is another problem: these other relays are all copies of the Bluesky relay, where the official app publishes the messages of its users, so they are not independent from each other; if I publish my posts on a relay other than Bluesky’s I will not be able to communicate with them.
Fediverse servers can quickly get more expensive if you have a few thousand users, or even a few dozen but somebody has a post go viral. That’s because every retrieval of a post always goes to the original user’s server, every like does too, etc, and this generates a flood of events which quickly gets expensive to process.
Just ask the maintainers of the botsin.space Mastodon server who couldn’t afford to keep it running, and now put the server in archival mode and not allowing new posts.
A PDS only publishes static data and don’t have to process incoming events, making it very easy to run one behind a caching server very cheaply.
There is another problem: these other relays are all copies of the Bluesky relay, where the official app publishes the messages of its users, so they are not independent from each other; if I publish my posts on a relay other than Bluesky’s I will not be able to communicate with them.
Not entirely correct.
Every individual users’ account host (PDS) publishes directly locally, the relay then collects published posts from known PDS servers (including both bluesky’s own and others’ self hosted servers) and display everything. A PDS server can sync to multiple relays. Relays can even sync to each other, which is practical because PDS servers publish through content addressing for posts in user repositories so it’s easy to verify completeness.
So sure if somebody uses an app connected to a filtering / partial / out of sync relay they might not see everything. This is not an architectural limit in the protocol, however.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:29
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Technically yes, practically no
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net
on 06 Apr 03:07
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Good. No one with any sense still uses that site.
tengkuizdihar@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 15:01
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I still dont get why people use bluesky. I mean if you really want a pseudo federated social media, might as well use twitter and not migrate. Its ridiculous.
Because it is a decently polished app that is by many metrics a step up from Twitter, and it has a ton of people. Social networks will always be a numbers game. Some will hit the curve and some won’t, but it is often not linked to technical merit.
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 15:14
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I assume people want something centralised like Twitter but without Musk. Most people don’t care about federation and don’t want the extra complexity and division it causes.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:25
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It doesn’t create division if properly designed, and Mastodon honestly does it rather well generally. There are just two things that hampered its adoption, which was the bad “default” app everyone installed as well as the network’s inability to scale absurdly fast.
It’s like with proper cities with lots of stores vs. big box stores. The latter might got everything in one place, but it fucks up everything around it. And a well designed city with lots of small stores is way more beautiful and pleasing in every aspect.
if you really want a pseudo federated social media
The vast majority of people don’t, they simply want something like what Twitter was before elon ruined it. If the Twitter exodus resulted in mass adoption of federated platforms, it’d be a happy coincidence.
I really liked his “Linux sucks” presentations when I watched them many years ago, but I didn’t know anything about him beyond that. Then some time last year I saw that he made another one, and I decided to watch it mainly for nostalgia, and I was shocked to see so many points about how linux companies are woke, something about opensuse firing anyone who was right-wing and redhat doing some white shaming move or something. I paused, checked his actual channel and holy shit. More than 90% was anti-woke “journalism”, and has been for years now. I was severely disappointed.
His “Linux Sucks” series was also rage-bait, He’s a shill & lacks morals & attacks any FOSS projects for not being on the side of politics that he is in.
Most of the FOSS outlets have outright banned him & his community from interacting since he’s a menace
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:18
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something about opensuse firing anyone who was right-wing
Niccolò, KDE developer, made a video about Bryan’s… everything. It’s revolting. People still bringing up his stuff must be either unaware and thus should be informed, or they’re complicit. Having talked to a few, I’ve noticed it’s usually the latter.
Just finished watching it, and honestly that’s the idea I got after those red flags that jumpscared me when I was watching that linux sucks video. I think I watched them up until 2018, and I remember finding them entertaining and they always ended on a postive note, but I knew absolutely nothing about Lunduke apart from those 4 or 5 videos, that’s why I was so shocked to find out that he’s a generic right wing parrot.
As a sidenote, Niccolò seems like a really cool guy. Thanks for sharing the video, I subbed
Glad you liked Nicco and found it informative. I think his takes are usually grounded, and his software development background helps. I certainly like him a lot better than most tech influencers, if he even counts as one.
I’m happy with doing so just so I can see comments without signing in again. I do believe social media was geting too highly censored, and I dont trust the government to decide what to censor.
But you cant call yourself the “town square of the internet” while hiding things from people you cant monetize.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 23:46
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Good news, it was mostly private for profit entities doing the censorship
The_Caretaker@lemm.ee
on 07 Apr 01:42
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I don’t know what Rust is but glad to see anyone leave X or Facebook. There is a swimming pool at the local military base where my son wants a job as a lifeguard, but to find out when they are hiring, you have to go to their Facebook page. A government entity that requires you to sign into Facebook to see what they offer and when they are hiring.
asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev
on 07 Apr 08:14
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You’ve managed to create a 2+years old account, congrats
KillTheMule@programming.dev
on 08 Apr 18:35
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Huh? I might be misunderstanding something (maybe a joke, even!), but this is my lemmy account, that’s kinda older indeed. How would that be connected to my mastodon account?
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Thank me later alligator.
Twitter hasn’t existed for a while. Rust didn’t leave twitter, they left a corpse
It’s to clear possible confusion with X11.
Xitter (pronounced shitter) works well enough
I used (for a short time) to maintain a usage of Twitter instead of X, to participate on pissing of Musk along with the crowd, but to me it makes no sense anymore, X is indeed not what Twitter was years ago. It’s not a name rebranding anymore, we all here know that. And IMO, Rust would not have left Twitter, like I wouldn’t have. We left X, with everything that new name carries with.
Functionality changes, community and users are changing and off course the leadership, rights and branding changed. Right, I think its fair to distinguish the Musk era with his X branding, from the legacy Twitter. So I give you that.
Surprised it didn’t rewrite it’s own X with blackjack and concurrency
wait until you hear about this project called lemmy
Lemmy was written in Rust?
(Edit: damn, over 75% of the codebase is rust. Nice)
I’m actually surprised there aren’t already 20 alternatives to Twitter written in Rust
There could be. How would you know?
Anyway, I don’t think the world needs 20 different alternatives to Twitter, just like we don’t need 20 alternatives to Linux, Python, the W3C, or Rust.
What seems ideal is a single dominant system run by people whose authority comes from a broad consensus of the stakeholders, plus a limited number of competitors that could conceivably take over, but only if the dominant system is badly mismanaged. Having alternatives keeps the market leaders honest and provides space to try out new ideas that can either serve a different niche or be incorporated into the dominant system, but in a space where compatibility and network effects are so important, I want there to be a clear leader that most users can rally around, and that most developers can target to benefit the greatest number of users.
I don’t understand why any business is active on any social media, especially ones run by billionaires.
Post your shit to a website.
Have it auto-mirror to a social media platform.
Funnel questions back to your own website.
Done.
Marketers are lazy.
Consumers are lazy and are trained that anything not on an app is dangerous and scary.
As a privacy advocate, I have the opposite reaction: almost every app is dangerous and scary. If it doesn’t have a nice mobile web app, I’ll try to avoid it on my phone.
Marketing. People expect to see different things on a website vs Twitter/X so the same content won’t perform the same on each. So for a business it makes sense to post different things on your website vs Twitter/X.
I have been recently reminiscing with some friends about the internet back when instead of massive websites that held everything, there were small forums with specialized focus. You could get to know the people in the forums over time. It was so much better than the shit that exists today.
I would love to join forums made by these projects. I don’t care if I have to have a bunch of accounts. Individual forums and RSS feeds are awesome. Since moving to RSS I have drastically reduced my mindless scrolling.
Ah yes phpBB those were the days. Wait, no they weren’t. They sucked. Old forum software was one of the worst computing experiences I remember.
Want to download a custom Android ROM? Hope you like reading through this 120 page thread one page at a time. Oh and each message will be surrounded by a metric mile of profile pictures and signature.
RSS was pretty great though, I’ll give you that.
rss is still everywhere.
Flat forums weren’t just for downloading Android ROMs. Forums were meant for linear one-to-one discussion. All the eye bleed can be disabled anyways. I haven’t looked at avatars or signatures in decades.
Besides has there been a better solution? People were still using XDA forums last I checked. Which has been several years so I don’t know. XDA evolved around dedicated individuals who kept a top post updated with relevant info. So the problem was kind of solved after a while.
Forums and irc channels is a much better combo than twitter and discord.
That’s what it is most of the time. The thing is that native content just does a lot better than linked content. Think about how often someone will see a link and not click it. If they don’t have to click and you meet them on the website they’re already on, your content is consumed a lot more. I’m not just talking about so-called “content creators”, but also things like what the Rust account would post.
It’s pretty easy to automate posting content instead of just a link.
Thank you! I mean how many more reasons do people need?
Nitter link: nitter.net/rustlang/status/1908479478159818903
It’s funny how many people are against this. They sure do like to lick elon’s boots.
Rust is… woke?!?
<img alt="" src="https://media1.tenor.com/m/tq-STLjC7EMAAAAd/garten-of-banban-banban.gif">
I love this gif, where’d you get it from?
I searched “garten of banban sad gif” on tenor
Holy crap. I don’t go on Twitsack any more but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the remaining people are clowns.
It’s funny how many people care one way or another. It’s a programming language, and if I want updates, I’ll check their changelog. They have incredibly consistent releases, so why would I need a notification on SM when they release again on that schedule?
I don’t get it. Post or don’t, I don’t care, just write good code.
The people in support there likely got deprioritized.
Those people wrote a “hello world” and gave up after having to do something using an ampsand (&)
Honestly I’m laughing at those comments. Most of them are outright pathetic, not just sad or annoyed or smug but childish and pathetic.
Why are people using bluesky? Just use mastodon or something else federated. Stay are from centralized platforms
First off they are using Mastodon. And secondly Mastodon is still pretty half baked as a platform. If it was as far along as Lemmy is, which is ironic because I think Mastodon was developed first, then people would probably be using it more. I just don’t think anyone’s putting in the man hours to streamline it the way they have with Lemmy.
Lol
It does have federation, just a different model
Essentially it’s a centralized platform. Independent PDS cannot work without a big expensive relay managed by a large corporation
There’s work ongoing right now in making it easier to run a small appview, and the relay is cheaper to run than the appview and very manageable by even small companies
The relay is very expensive, it collects and receives messages from the whole network.
The appview it’s not the problem, that’s just an user of the relay.
See this article
The appview needs to index the relay contents to build a view of the whole network, the relay is just a type of CDN, and is NOT that expensive. There are multiple individuals maintaining full copies right now, while the network is at double digit millions of users. The relay is by far less expensive.
You’re looking at poorly matched cloud options in that article. The individuals doing it does it easily on a NAS and equivalent. The cost from running public relays will come from traffic, not storage
It’s the appview that needs to be made lighter, and that work is progressing. Like building variants you can self host which are selective and only care about content from your network (and only fetching other content as needed)
Great, but how much do these people pay to maintain a relay of the entire network? I bet a lot more than for a fediverse server that only has to maintain a small fraction of the whole network.
There is another problem: these other relays are all copies of the Bluesky relay, where the official app publishes the messages of its users, so they are not independent from each other; if I publish my posts on a relay other than Bluesky’s I will not be able to communicate with them.
Fediverse servers can quickly get more expensive if you have a few thousand users, or even a few dozen but somebody has a post go viral. That’s because every retrieval of a post always goes to the original user’s server, every like does too, etc, and this generates a flood of events which quickly gets expensive to process.
Just ask the maintainers of the botsin.space Mastodon server who couldn’t afford to keep it running, and now put the server in archival mode and not allowing new posts.
A PDS only publishes static data and don’t have to process incoming events, making it very easy to run one behind a caching server very cheaply.
Not entirely correct.
Every individual users’ account host (PDS) publishes directly locally, the relay then collects published posts from known PDS servers (including both bluesky’s own and others’ self hosted servers) and display everything. A PDS server can sync to multiple relays. Relays can even sync to each other, which is practical because PDS servers publish through content addressing for posts in user repositories so it’s easy to verify completeness.
So sure if somebody uses an app connected to a filtering / partial / out of sync relay they might not see everything. This is not an architectural limit in the protocol, however.
Technically yes, practically no
Good. No one with any sense still uses that site.
I still dont get why people use bluesky. I mean if you really want a pseudo federated social media, might as well use twitter and not migrate. Its ridiculous.
Because it is a decently polished app that is by many metrics a step up from Twitter, and it has a ton of people. Social networks will always be a numbers game. Some will hit the curve and some won’t, but it is often not linked to technical merit.
I assume people want something centralised like Twitter but without Musk. Most people don’t care about federation and don’t want the extra complexity and division it causes.
It doesn’t create division if properly designed, and Mastodon honestly does it rather well generally. There are just two things that hampered its adoption, which was the bad “default” app everyone installed as well as the network’s inability to scale absurdly fast.
It’s like with proper cities with lots of stores vs. big box stores. The latter might got everything in one place, but it fucks up everything around it. And a well designed city with lots of small stores is way more beautiful and pleasing in every aspect.
^(Yes I watch NotJustBikes, how do you know?)^
Network effect. Its where everyone is.
Bluesky is excellent that’s why.
Moderation is better, including better personal moderation filters, etc
The vast majority of people don’t, they simply want something like what Twitter was before elon ruined it. If the Twitter exodus resulted in mass adoption of federated platforms, it’d be a happy coincidence.
Oh nyoooo, Rust is woke
He crapped on Debian for this reason too. & for some reason people think he’s a journalist.
Also will Pleroma & Akkoma get any love & I also hope they create a Matrix room as well
I really liked his “Linux sucks” presentations when I watched them many years ago, but I didn’t know anything about him beyond that. Then some time last year I saw that he made another one, and I decided to watch it mainly for nostalgia, and I was shocked to see so many points about how linux companies are woke, something about opensuse firing anyone who was right-wing and redhat doing some white shaming move or something. I paused, checked his actual channel and holy shit. More than 90% was anti-woke “journalism”, and has been for years now. I was severely disappointed.
His “Linux Sucks” series was also rage-bait, He’s a shill & lacks morals & attacks any FOSS projects for not being on the side of politics that he is in.
Most of the FOSS outlets have outright banned him & his community from interacting since he’s a menace
I knew my OS of choice was awesome but damn. 💗
Niccolò, KDE developer, made a video about Bryan’s… everything. It’s revolting. People still bringing up his stuff must be either unaware and thus should be informed, or they’re complicit. Having talked to a few, I’ve noticed it’s usually the latter.
Just finished watching it, and honestly that’s the idea I got after those red flags that jumpscared me when I was watching that linux sucks video. I think I watched them up until 2018, and I remember finding them entertaining and they always ended on a postive note, but I knew absolutely nothing about Lunduke apart from those 4 or 5 videos, that’s why I was so shocked to find out that he’s a generic right wing parrot.
As a sidenote, Niccolò seems like a really cool guy. Thanks for sharing the video, I subbed
Glad you liked Nicco and found it informative. I think his takes are usually grounded, and his software development background helps. I certainly like him a lot better than most tech influencers, if he even counts as one.
I’m happy with doing so just so I can see comments without signing in again. I do believe social media was geting too highly censored, and I dont trust the government to decide what to censor.
But you cant call yourself the “town square of the internet” while hiding things from people you cant monetize.
Good news, it was mostly private for profit entities doing the censorship
Yep. Twitter and Discord are the two most annoying walled gardens I can think of when it comes to projects (like FOSS dev).
Nice.
I don’t know what Rust is but glad to see anyone leave X or Facebook. There is a swimming pool at the local military base where my son wants a job as a lifeguard, but to find out when they are hiring, you have to go to their Facebook page. A government entity that requires you to sign into Facebook to see what they offer and when they are hiring.
Rust is a programming language.
Rust is the stuff metal gets
The stuff Iron gets.
No. Rust is a multiplayer map featured in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
1v1 me in C++
Go
You’re Basic
<head>
No, Rust is a multiplayer survival game
I wasn’t on X, but now I’ve created a mastodon account :)
You’ve managed to create a 2+years old account, congrats
Huh? I might be misunderstanding something (maybe a joke, even!), but this is my lemmy account, that’s kinda older indeed. How would that be connected to my mastodon account?
Eh. I mixed them. My bad.
Trump has now ordered NIST to reverse their recommendation on Rust.
Fuck you and have a nice day.
@skisnow @neme nice try but we can see link target in thumbnail 😝
Darn. Problem with the Fediverse is you don’t know how things will render on other people’s clients.
I knew what it was but clicked anyways.
That’s crazy.