Anyway, I don’t think the world needs 20 different alternatives to Twitter, just like we don’t need 20 alternatives to Linux, Python, the W3C, or Rust.
What seems ideal is a single dominant system run by people whose authority comes from a broad consensus of the stakeholders, plus a limited number of competitors that could conceivably take over, but only if the dominant system is badly mismanaged. Having alternatives keeps the market leaders honest and provides space to try out new ideas that can either serve a different niche or be incorporated into the dominant system, but in a space where compatibility and network effects are so important, I want there to be a clear leader that most users can rally around, and that most developers can target to benefit the greatest number of users.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today
on 05 Apr 20:03
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I don’t understand why any business is active on any social media, especially ones run by billionaires.
Post your shit to a website.
Have it auto-mirror to a social media platform.
Funnel questions back to your own website.
Done.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 05 Apr 20:57
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Consumers are lazy and are trained that anything not on an app is dangerous and scary.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 17:09
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As a privacy advocate, I have the opposite reaction: almost every app is dangerous and scary. If it doesn’t have a nice mobile web app, I’ll try to avoid it on my phone.
firelizzard@programming.dev
on 05 Apr 23:32
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Marketing. People expect to see different things on a website vs Twitter/X so the same content won’t perform the same on each. So for a business it makes sense to post different things on your website vs Twitter/X.
MXX53@programming.dev
on 05 Apr 23:34
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I have been recently reminiscing with some friends about the internet back when instead of massive websites that held everything, there were small forums with specialized focus. You could get to know the people in the forums over time. It was so much better than the shit that exists today.
I would love to join forums made by these projects. I don’t care if I have to have a bunch of accounts. Individual forums and RSS feeds are awesome. Since moving to RSS I have drastically reduced my mindless scrolling.
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 15:18
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Ah yes phpBB those were the days. Wait, no they weren’t. They sucked. Old forum software was one of the worst computing experiences I remember.
Want to download a custom Android ROM? Hope you like reading through this 120 page thread one page at a time. Oh and each message will be surrounded by a metric mile of profile pictures and signature.
conicalscientist@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 23:48
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Flat forums weren’t just for downloading Android ROMs. Forums were meant for linear one-to-one discussion. All the eye bleed can be disabled anyways. I haven’t looked at avatars or signatures in decades.
Besides has there been a better solution? People were still using XDA forums last I checked. Which has been several years so I don’t know. XDA evolved around dedicated individuals who kept a top post updated with relevant info. So the problem was kind of solved after a while.
That’s what it is most of the time. The thing is that native content just does a lot better than linked content. Think about how often someone will see a link and not click it. If they don’t have to click and you meet them on the website they’re already on, your content is consumed a lot more. I’m not just talking about so-called “content creators”, but also things like what the Rust account would post.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 03:18
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It’s pretty easy to automate posting content instead of just a link.
Holy crap. I don’t go on Twitsack any more but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the remaining people are clowns.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Apr 03:16
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It’s funny how many people care one way or another. It’s a programming language, and if I want updates, I’ll check their changelog. They have incredibly consistent releases, so why would I need a notification on SM when they release again on that schedule?
I don’t get it. Post or don’t, I don’t care, just write good code.
Honestly I’m laughing at those comments. Most of them are outright pathetic, not just sad or annoyed or smug but childish and pathetic.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
on 06 Apr 01:33
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Why are people using bluesky? Just use mastodon or something else federated. Stay are from centralized platforms
buddascrayon@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 15:51
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First off they are using Mastodon. And secondly Mastodon is still pretty half baked as a platform. If it was as far along as Lemmy is, which is ironic because I think Mastodon was developed first, then people would probably be using it more. I just don’t think anyone’s putting in the man hours to streamline it the way they have with Lemmy.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:30
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There’s work ongoing right now in making it easier to run a small appview, and the relay is cheaper to run than the appview and very manageable by even small companies
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:29
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Technically yes, practically no
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net
on 06 Apr 03:07
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Good. No one with any sense still uses that site.
tengkuizdihar@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 15:01
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I still dont get why people use bluesky. I mean if you really want a pseudo federated social media, might as well use twitter and not migrate. Its ridiculous.
Because it is a decently polished app that is by many metrics a step up from Twitter, and it has a ton of people. Social networks will always be a numbers game. Some will hit the curve and some won’t, but it is often not linked to technical merit.
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 06 Apr 15:14
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I assume people want something centralised like Twitter but without Musk. Most people don’t care about federation and don’t want the extra complexity and division it causes.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:25
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It doesn’t create division if properly designed, and Mastodon honestly does it rather well generally. There are just two things that hampered its adoption, which was the bad “default” app everyone installed as well as the network’s inability to scale absurdly fast.
It’s like with proper cities with lots of stores vs. big box stores. The latter might got everything in one place, but it fucks up everything around it. And a well designed city with lots of small stores is way more beautiful and pleasing in every aspect.
I really liked his “Linux sucks” presentations when I watched them many years ago, but I didn’t know anything about him beyond that. Then some time last year I saw that he made another one, and I decided to watch it mainly for nostalgia, and I was shocked to see so many points about how linux companies are woke, something about opensuse firing anyone who was right-wing and redhat doing some white shaming move or something. I paused, checked his actual channel and holy shit. More than 90% was anti-woke “journalism”, and has been for years now. I was severely disappointed.
His “Linux Sucks” series was also rage-bait, He’s a shill & lacks morals & attacks any FOSS projects for not being on the side of politics that he is in.
Most of the FOSS outlets have outright banned him & his community from interacting since he’s a menace
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Apr 23:18
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something about opensuse firing anyone who was right-wing
I’m happy with doing so just so I can see comments without signing in again. I do believe social media was geting too highly censored, and I dont trust the government to decide what to censor.
But you cant call yourself the “town square of the internet” while hiding things from people you cant monetize.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
on 06 Apr 23:46
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Good news, it was mostly private for profit entities doing the censorship
I don’t know what Rust is but glad to see anyone leave X or Facebook. There is a swimming pool at the local military base where my son wants a job as a lifeguard, but to find out when they are hiring, you have to go to their Facebook page. A government entity that requires you to sign into Facebook to see what they offer and when they are hiring.
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Thank me later alligator.
Twitter hasn’t existed for a while. Rust didn’t leave twitter, they left a corpse
It’s to clear possible confusion with X11.
Xitter (pronounced shitter) works well enough
Surprised it didn’t rewrite it’s own X with blackjack and concurrency
wait until you hear about this project called lemmy
Lemmy was written in Rust?
(Edit: damn, over 75% of the codebase is rust. Nice)
I’m actually surprised there aren’t already 20 alternatives to Twitter written in Rust
There could be. How would you know?
Anyway, I don’t think the world needs 20 different alternatives to Twitter, just like we don’t need 20 alternatives to Linux, Python, the W3C, or Rust.
What seems ideal is a single dominant system run by people whose authority comes from a broad consensus of the stakeholders, plus a limited number of competitors that could conceivably take over, but only if the dominant system is badly mismanaged. Having alternatives keeps the market leaders honest and provides space to try out new ideas that can either serve a different niche or be incorporated into the dominant system, but in a space where compatibility and network effects are so important, I want there to be a clear leader that most users can rally around, and that most developers can target to benefit the greatest number of users.
I don’t understand why any business is active on any social media, especially ones run by billionaires.
Post your shit to a website.
Have it auto-mirror to a social media platform.
Funnel questions back to your own website.
Done.
Marketers are lazy.
Consumers are lazy and are trained that anything not on an app is dangerous and scary.
As a privacy advocate, I have the opposite reaction: almost every app is dangerous and scary. If it doesn’t have a nice mobile web app, I’ll try to avoid it on my phone.
Marketing. People expect to see different things on a website vs Twitter/X so the same content won’t perform the same on each. So for a business it makes sense to post different things on your website vs Twitter/X.
I have been recently reminiscing with some friends about the internet back when instead of massive websites that held everything, there were small forums with specialized focus. You could get to know the people in the forums over time. It was so much better than the shit that exists today.
I would love to join forums made by these projects. I don’t care if I have to have a bunch of accounts. Individual forums and RSS feeds are awesome. Since moving to RSS I have drastically reduced my mindless scrolling.
Ah yes phpBB those were the days. Wait, no they weren’t. They sucked. Old forum software was one of the worst computing experiences I remember.
Want to download a custom Android ROM? Hope you like reading through this 120 page thread one page at a time. Oh and each message will be surrounded by a metric mile of profile pictures and signature.
RSS was pretty great though, I’ll give you that.
rss is still everywhere.
Flat forums weren’t just for downloading Android ROMs. Forums were meant for linear one-to-one discussion. All the eye bleed can be disabled anyways. I haven’t looked at avatars or signatures in decades.
Besides has there been a better solution? People were still using XDA forums last I checked. Which has been several years so I don’t know. XDA evolved around dedicated individuals who kept a top post updated with relevant info. So the problem was kind of solved after a while.
That’s what it is most of the time. The thing is that native content just does a lot better than linked content. Think about how often someone will see a link and not click it. If they don’t have to click and you meet them on the website they’re already on, your content is consumed a lot more. I’m not just talking about so-called “content creators”, but also things like what the Rust account would post.
It’s pretty easy to automate posting content instead of just a link.
Thank you! I mean how many more reasons do people need?
Nitter link: nitter.net/rustlang/status/1908479478159818903
It’s funny how many people are against this. They sure do like to lick elon’s boots.
Rust is… woke?!?
<img alt="" src="https://media1.tenor.com/m/tq-STLjC7EMAAAAd/garten-of-banban-banban.gif">
I love this gif, where’d you get it from?
I searched “garten of banban sad gif” on tenor
Holy crap. I don’t go on Twitsack any more but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised the remaining people are clowns.
It’s funny how many people care one way or another. It’s a programming language, and if I want updates, I’ll check their changelog. They have incredibly consistent releases, so why would I need a notification on SM when they release again on that schedule?
I don’t get it. Post or don’t, I don’t care, just write good code.
The people in support there likely got deprioritized.
Those people wrote a “hello world” and gave up after having to do something using an ampsand (&)
Honestly I’m laughing at those comments. Most of them are outright pathetic, not just sad or annoyed or smug but childish and pathetic.
Why are people using bluesky? Just use mastodon or something else federated. Stay are from centralized platforms
First off they are using Mastodon. And secondly Mastodon is still pretty half baked as a platform. If it was as far along as Lemmy is, which is ironic because I think Mastodon was developed first, then people would probably be using it more. I just don’t think anyone’s putting in the man hours to streamline it the way they have with Lemmy.
Lol
It does have federation, just a different model
Essentially it’s a centralized platform. Independent PDS cannot work without a big expensive relay managed by a large corporation
There’s work ongoing right now in making it easier to run a small appview, and the relay is cheaper to run than the appview and very manageable by even small companies
Technically yes, practically no
Good. No one with any sense still uses that site.
I still dont get why people use bluesky. I mean if you really want a pseudo federated social media, might as well use twitter and not migrate. Its ridiculous.
Because it is a decently polished app that is by many metrics a step up from Twitter, and it has a ton of people. Social networks will always be a numbers game. Some will hit the curve and some won’t, but it is often not linked to technical merit.
I assume people want something centralised like Twitter but without Musk. Most people don’t care about federation and don’t want the extra complexity and division it causes.
It doesn’t create division if properly designed, and Mastodon honestly does it rather well generally. There are just two things that hampered its adoption, which was the bad “default” app everyone installed as well as the network’s inability to scale absurdly fast.
It’s like with proper cities with lots of stores vs. big box stores. The latter might got everything in one place, but it fucks up everything around it. And a well designed city with lots of small stores is way more beautiful and pleasing in every aspect.
^(Yes I watch NotJustBikes, how do you know?)^
Network effect. Its where everyone is.
Bluesky is excellent that’s why.
Moderation is better, including better personal moderation filters, etc
Oh nyoooo, Rust is woke
He crapped on Debian for this reason too. & for some reason people think he’s a journalist.
Also will Pleroma & Akkoma get any love & I also hope they create a Matrix room as well
I really liked his “Linux sucks” presentations when I watched them many years ago, but I didn’t know anything about him beyond that. Then some time last year I saw that he made another one, and I decided to watch it mainly for nostalgia, and I was shocked to see so many points about how linux companies are woke, something about opensuse firing anyone who was right-wing and redhat doing some white shaming move or something. I paused, checked his actual channel and holy shit. More than 90% was anti-woke “journalism”, and has been for years now. I was severely disappointed.
His “Linux Sucks” series was also rage-bait, He’s a shill & lacks morals & attacks any FOSS projects for not being on the side of politics that he is in.
Most of the FOSS outlets have outright banned him & his community from interacting since he’s a menace
I knew my OS of choice was awesome but damn. 💗
I’m happy with doing so just so I can see comments without signing in again. I do believe social media was geting too highly censored, and I dont trust the government to decide what to censor.
But you cant call yourself the “town square of the internet” while hiding things from people you cant monetize.
Good news, it was mostly private for profit entities doing the censorship
Yep. Twitter and Discord are the two most annoying walled gardens I can think of when it comes to projects (like FOSS dev).
Nice.
I don’t know what Rust is but glad to see anyone leave X or Facebook. There is a swimming pool at the local military base where my son wants a job as a lifeguard, but to find out when they are hiring, you have to go to their Facebook page. A government entity that requires you to sign into Facebook to see what they offer and when they are hiring.