FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 11 Jul 2024 20:17
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Sooo much inane naysaying in that Rust for Filesystems article. I’m glad there are people with the stamina to push through it.
Part of the problem, Ted Ts’o said, is that there is an effort to get “everyone to switch over to the religion” of Rust
I would say a bigger problem is that there are people that think Rust is some kind of religion with acolytes trying to convert people. Is it really that hard to distinguish genuine revolutions (iPhone, Rust, AI, reusable rockets, etc.) from hyped nonsense (Blockchain/web3, Metaverse, etc.)?
These things are very obvious IMO, especially if you actually try them!
taladar@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jul 2024 07:56
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Is it really that hard to distinguish genuine revolutions (iPhone, Rust, AI, reusable rockets, etc.) from hyped nonsense (Blockchain/web3, Metaverse, etc.)?
It is funny that you list AI under genuine revolutions while I would list it (or at least 90% of it) under hyped nonsense.
crispy_kilt@feddit.de
on 12 Jul 2024 11:49
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It can be both
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2024 18:06
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Modern AI (LLMs etc) is definitely a revolution. Anyone that has tried ChatGPT can tell that, just like the only people saying the iPhone was a fad were the ones that hadn’t used it.
The thing that is hyped around AI is companies just trying to shove it into everything, and say stuff uses AI when it is totally inappropriate. That doesn’t mean AI itself is nonsense though. The same thing happened with the iPhone (everything had an app even if it made no sense).
taladar@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jul 2024 18:23
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If the iPhone had been hyped like AI is today people would have claimed you could replace your hammer, saw, garden hose and cooking utensils with an iPhone.
Meanwhile current AI is pretty much useless for any purpose where you actually need to rely on a decent chance to get quality results without human review.
FizzyOrange@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2024 19:26
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Meanwhile current AI is pretty much useless for any purpose where you actually need to rely on a decent chance to get quality results without human review.
Sure but there are tons of applications where you can tolerate lower than human levels of performance.
The amount of time ChatGPT has saved me programming is crazy, even though it struggles with more complex or niche tasks.
Here’s what I used it for most recently:
Write an HTML page that consists of a tree of <details> elements with interspersed text. These are log files with expandable sections. The sections can be nested.
The difficult part is I want the text content that is stored in the HTML file to be compressed with zlib and base64 encoded. It should be decompressed and inserted into the DOM once when each DOM node first becomes visible.
Be terse. Write high quality code with jsdoc type annotations.
It write a couple of hundred lines of code that was not perfect but took 5 minutes to fix. Probably saved me an hour writing it from scratch (I’m not a web dev so I’d have to look things up).
robinm@programming.dev
on 12 Jul 2024 18:06
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The quote (and the associated discussion) is such an important part of Rust and why I love this language so much. Anything that can be automated should at one point be automated reliably, and the sooner the better.
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Sooo much inane naysaying in that Rust for Filesystems article. I’m glad there are people with the stamina to push through it.
I would say a bigger problem is that there are people that think Rust is some kind of religion with acolytes trying to convert people. Is it really that hard to distinguish genuine revolutions (iPhone, Rust, AI, reusable rockets, etc.) from hyped nonsense (Blockchain/web3, Metaverse, etc.)?
These things are very obvious IMO, especially if you actually try them!
It is funny that you list AI under genuine revolutions while I would list it (or at least 90% of it) under hyped nonsense.
It can be both
Modern AI (LLMs etc) is definitely a revolution. Anyone that has tried ChatGPT can tell that, just like the only people saying the iPhone was a fad were the ones that hadn’t used it.
The thing that is hyped around AI is companies just trying to shove it into everything, and say stuff uses AI when it is totally inappropriate. That doesn’t mean AI itself is nonsense though. The same thing happened with the iPhone (everything had an app even if it made no sense).
If the iPhone had been hyped like AI is today people would have claimed you could replace your hammer, saw, garden hose and cooking utensils with an iPhone.
Meanwhile current AI is pretty much useless for any purpose where you actually need to rely on a decent chance to get quality results without human review.
Sure but there are tons of applications where you can tolerate lower than human levels of performance.
The amount of time ChatGPT has saved me programming is crazy, even though it struggles with more complex or niche tasks.
Here’s what I used it for most recently:
It write a couple of hundred lines of code that was not perfect but took 5 minutes to fix. Probably saved me an hour writing it from scratch (I’m not a web dev so I’d have to look things up).
That Ted seems to be on a crusade of his own.
The quote (and the associated discussion) is such an important part of Rust and why I love this language so much. Anything that can be automated should at one point be automated reliably, and the sooner the better.