The ???? operator
from to on 27 Sep 2023 08:54

I found this funny.

The context is as explained by

the issue is that you can’t return from inside a closure, since the closure might be called later/elsewhere

and this post was the asnwer to the question by

you got me curious what the record for the longest ? operator chain on is

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I never though about chaining ?! This is hilarious and I need to use it somewhere now. on 27 Sep 2023 11:54 collapse

yeah i didnt realize you could do that either lmao. on 28 Sep 2023 08:46 collapse

It make total sense, I just never ran into a Result(Result(Result(T, E), E), E) situation

Edit: Lemmy is so scared of cross site scripting, they simply remove all less than and greater than signs, lmao on 28 Sep 2023 14:15 collapse

And it replaces ampersands. on 27 Sep 2023 09:45 next collapse

While funny, this also highlights part of why I like rust’s error handling story so much: You can really just read the happy path and understand what’s going on. The error handling takes up minimal space, yet with one glance you can see that errors are all handled (bubbled up in this case). The usual caveats still apply, of course ;) on 27 Sep 2023 10:20 collapse

I’m writing my Rust wrong… I have match statements everywhere to the degree that it’s cluttering up everything. on 27 Sep 2023 12:19 next collapse

If the matches are causing too much nesting/rightward drift, then that could be an indicator that you’re doing something wrong.

If it’s the opposite, then you’re probably doing something right, except maybe the code needs some refactoring if there is too much clutter.

If there isn’t much difference, then it’s a matter of style. I for example sometimes prefer to match on bools in some contexts because it makes things look clearer to me, despite it being not the recommended style. I’m also a proud occasional user of bool::then() and bool::then_some() 😉

Also, if you find yourself often wishing some API was available for types like bool, Option, and Result, then you don’t have to wish for long. Just write some utility extension traits yourself! I for example have methods like bool::err_if(), bool::err_if_not(), Option::none_or_else(), and some more tailored to my needs methods, all available via extension traits.

Macros can also be very useful, although some people go for them too early. So if everything else fails to declutter your code, try writing a macro or two.

And it’s worth remembering, there is no general rule, other than if the code is understandable for you and works, then you’re probably okay irregardless of style. It’s all sugar after all, unless you’re really doing some glaringly wrong stuff. on 27 Sep 2023 12:20 next collapse

Most likely you can get by with adjusting the return type and using a ? or maping to a type that you can use the ? on. on 27 Sep 2023 22:42 collapse

If all you do in the Err(e) => … match arm is returning the error, then you absolutely should use the ? operator instead.

If the match arm also converts the error type into another error type, implement the From trait for the conversion, then you can use ? as well.

If you want to add more information to the error, you can use .map_err(…)?. Or, if you’re using the anyhow crate, .with_context(…)?. on 27 Sep 2023 22:57 collapse

You can also do map_err, which is a bit cleaner while keeping the mapping obvious. If you really need to do some logic on error, extracting that to the calling function is often better. on 27 Sep 2023 10:53 next collapse

I feel like a ???-operator would help many languages on 28 Sep 2023 08:40 collapse

Scala has one, which throws a NotImplemented error on 28 Sep 2023 14:14 collapse

Runtime or compile-time? If run-time, that sounds like a fun way to implement something like panic(). on 30 Sep 2023 05:48 collapse

runtime, the point is so that you can see if the types align and then come back and fill in the function bodies later on 27 Sep 2023 11:18 next collapse

Oh, like the LISP "close all"! on 27 Sep 2023 12:43 next collapse

People who know monad: ???

People who don’t know monad: ??? on 27 Sep 2023 12:43 next collapse

there was a comment about adding an ?! operator that would resolve any number of ? operators but I can’t find it. on 27 Sep 2023 14:24 next collapse on 27 Sep 2023 22:54 collapse

Interrobang gang rise up! on 27 Sep 2023 22:37 collapse

I can’t remember ever needing more than two question marks (??), and even that is very rare in my experience. on 27 Sep 2023 14:28 next collapse

Is everyone genuinely liking this!

This is, IMHO, not a good style.

Isn’t something like this much clearer?

// Add `as_cstr()` to `NixPath` trait first

let some_or_null_cstr = |v|

// `Option::or_null_cstr()` for `OptionᐸTᐳ`
// where `T:  NixPath` would make this even better
let source_cstr = some_or_null_cstr(&source)?;
let target_cstr = target.as_cstr()?;
let fs_type_cstr = some_or_null_cstr(&fs_type)?;
let data_cstr = some_or_null_cstr(&data)?;
let res = unsafe { .. };

Edit: using alternative chars to circumvent broken Lemmy sanitization. on 29 Sep 2023 07:36 collapse

I think the issue with this is that the code ( allocates a fixed-size buffer on the stack in order to add a terminating zero to the end of the path copied into it. So it just gives you a reference into that buffer, which can’t outlive the function call.

They do also have a with_nix_path_allocating function ( that just gives you a CString that owns its buffer on the heap, so there must be some reason why they went this design. Maybe premature optimization? Maybe it actually makes a difference? 🤔

They could have just returned the buffer via some wrapper that owns it and has the as_cstr function on it, but that would have resulted in a copy, so I’m not sure if it would have still achieved what they are trying to achieve here. I wonder if they ran some benchmarks on all this stuff, or they’re just writing what they think will be fast. on 29 Sep 2023 17:15 collapse

so there must be some reason why they went this design.

Some applications have a hard zero-alloc requirement. on 30 Sep 2023 10:03 collapse

But that’s not the case here, seeing as they have

if self.len() >= MAX_STACK_ALLOCATION {
    return with_nix_path_allocating(self, f);

in the code of with_nix_path. And I think they still could’ve made it return the value instead of calling the passed in function, by using something like

enum NixPathValue {
    Short(MaybeUninitᐸ[u8; 1024]>, usize),

impl NixPathValue {
    fn as_c_str(&self) -> &CStr {
        // ...

impl NixPath for [u8] {
    fn to_nix_path(&self) -> ResultᐸNixPathValue> {
        // return Short(buf, self.len()) for short paths, and perform all checks here,
        // so that NixPathValue.as_c_str can then use CStr::from_bytes_with_nul_unchecked

But I don’t know what performance implications that would have, and whether the difference would matter at all. Would there be an unnecessary copy? Would the compiler optimize it out? etc.

Also, from a maintainability standpoint, the context through which the library authors need to manually ensure all the unsafe code is used correctly would be slightly larger.

As a user of a library, I would still prefer all that over the nesting. on 27 Sep 2023 17:03 next collapse

this reminds me of

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Source: post

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. on 28 Sep 2023 10:13 next collapse

Awesome, reminds me of –> operator:…/what-is-the-operator-in-c-c

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