SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social
on 27 Sep 10:22
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That’s what I like about science. You’re never too sure you know what’s happening. It just keeps being exciting. Imagine being religious and being told “we figured all out 2,000 years ago, there’s no need to keep looking”. Boring!
Each religion, including fundamentalist-atheism, tells its people something that at some level they want to hear.
The Abrahamic religions were suited to the people that those religions took-root in.
The savagely-scientific AwakeSoulism/Buddhism couldn’t possibly have taken-root among those people.
Fundamentalist-atheism takes-root in people who want that, & then they won’t even contemplate the question of why the electromagnetic-force ( mediator of all normal/terrestrial chemistry ) behaves differently in disintegrating-corpses, vs growing-organisms… producing different results?
It’s the SAME force!
WHY is it disintegrating 1 body, but growing the other?
Physicalism has proclaimed ( see “God: The Failed Hypothesis” by Victor Stenger, for 1 example of this ) that “anybody who invokes the immaterial…” ( notice that awareness isn’t protons, neutrons, or electrons: it isn’t matter, therefore awareness is categorically included in this declaration ) "…is invoking the supernatural!"
But flip that on its head:
Any “physics” which doesn’t accurately describe how mind ALTERS the behavior of matter, including explaining how the intersection of knowing & will can somehow create airliners, culture, science, etc…, ( obviously NOT "random interactions of particles ) ISN’T complete!
( see Hofstadter’s book “Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid”, for how you have to choose EITHER self-consistent-knowing XOR complete-matching-Universe, & that is mathematically proven )
Here’s part of why I value AwakeSoulism… it ORDERED Empiricism, the ONLY true Science.
"Do not go by revelation;
Do not go by tradition;
Do not go by hearsay;
Do not go on the authority of sacred texts;
Do not go on the grounds of pure logic;
Do not go by a view that seems rational;
Do not go by reflecting on mere appearances;
Do not go along with a considered view because you agree with it;
Do not go along on the grounds that the person is competent;
Do not go along because "the recluse is our teacher."
Kalamas, when you yourselves know: These things are unwholesome, these things are blameworthy; these things are censured by the wise; and when undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill, abandon them...
Kalamas, when you know for yourselves: These are wholesome; these things are not blameworthy; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness, having undertaken them, abide in them."
Kalama Sutta - Angutarra Nikaya 3.65
Why do I call it the ONLY true Science?
There is a concept outside-centrism that is captured by a biblical-Greek term, eklegos.
The Christian who was explaining this concept ( Dr. Gene Scott ) was explaining that relying-on-other/higher-power was inherent in their religion, but has been lost in ours.
Interestingly, outside-centrism is what differentiates Empiricism from all formal-systems/ideologies/prejudices/“religions” nowadays:
All the self-sufficient ones, even if they identify as being based-on-universe, or being based-on-evidence, or being based-on-G-D, if they reject worldview-altering falsification, then they hold that their axioms outrank evidence/universe’s-speech!
& THAT falsifies the whole category of them all, in my eyes.
IF you hold that your system-of-knowing CANNOT be falsified by contradictory-evidence, THEN you hold that your-belief is The Ultimate Answer™.
However, IF you hold that evidence contradicting your belief that holds up to testing actually obliges one to change-one’s-worldview ( as Empiricism does ), THEN … now one is doing exactly what Buddha Gautama instructed.
Eklegos.
Outside-centrism.
What really makes the difference funny, is that in Beaumeister’s book “Willpower”, he identified that the evidence clearly showed that relying-on-a-higher-power was required for a profound-addict to win against addiction, but … he rejected that that was valid/true-requirement.
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That’s what I like about science. You’re never too sure you know what’s happening. It just keeps being exciting. Imagine being religious and being told “we figured all out 2,000 years ago, there’s no need to keep looking”. Boring!
Each religion, including fundamentalist-atheism, tells its people something that at some level they want to hear.
The Abrahamic religions were suited to the people that those religions took-root in.
The savagely-scientific AwakeSoulism/Buddhism couldn’t possibly have taken-root among those people.
Fundamentalist-atheism takes-root in people who want that, & then they won’t even contemplate the question of why the electromagnetic-force ( mediator of all normal/terrestrial chemistry ) behaves differently in disintegrating-corpses, vs growing-organisms… producing different results?
It’s the SAME force!
WHY is it disintegrating 1 body, but growing the other?
Physicalism has proclaimed ( see “God: The Failed Hypothesis” by Victor Stenger, for 1 example of this ) that “anybody who invokes the immaterial…” ( notice that awareness isn’t protons, neutrons, or electrons: it isn’t matter, therefore awareness is categorically included in this declaration ) "…is invoking the supernatural!"
But flip that on its head:
Any “physics” which doesn’t accurately describe how mind ALTERS the behavior of matter, including explaining how the intersection of knowing & will can somehow create airliners, culture, science, etc…, ( obviously NOT "random interactions of particles ) ISN’T complete!
( see Hofstadter’s book “Godel Escher Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid”, for how you have to choose EITHER self-consistent-knowing XOR complete-matching-Universe, & that is mathematically proven )
Here’s part of why I value AwakeSoulism… it ORDERED Empiricism, the ONLY true Science.
Why do I call it the ONLY true Science?
There is a concept outside-centrism that is captured by a biblical-Greek term, eklegos.
The Christian who was explaining this concept ( Dr. Gene Scott ) was explaining that relying-on-other/higher-power was inherent in their religion, but has been lost in ours.
Interestingly, outside-centrism is what differentiates Empiricism from all formal-systems/ideologies/prejudices/“religions” nowadays:
All the self-sufficient ones, even if they identify as being based-on-universe, or being based-on-evidence, or being based-on-G-D, if they reject worldview-altering falsification, then they hold that their axioms outrank evidence/universe’s-speech!
& THAT falsifies the whole category of them all, in my eyes.
IF you hold that your system-of-knowing CANNOT be falsified by contradictory-evidence, THEN you hold that your-belief is The Ultimate Answer™.
However, IF you hold that evidence contradicting your belief that holds up to testing actually obliges one to change-one’s-worldview ( as Empiricism does ), THEN … now one is doing exactly what Buddha Gautama instructed.
Eklegos.
Outside-centrism.
What really makes the difference funny, is that in Beaumeister’s book “Willpower”, he identified that the evidence clearly showed that relying-on-a-higher-power was required for a profound-addict to win against addiction, but … he rejected that that was valid/true-requirement.
IOW, he demonstrated axiom-based