However, while preparing for the move to Boston, he was spotted in the nightclub where he worked in Sydney and was hired by Grace Jones as a bodyguard, and the two became lovers.[18] He moved with Jones to New York City, where he dabbled in modeling at the Zoli Agency but was described as āa bit too tall and muscular for a modelās size 40ā.
Itās not like he said āthis is too hard for meā, itās more like he said āwait, I can have this other life instead?ā
Iām not complaining or anything. Bro was banging peak Grace Jones and saw a better life than chemical engineering (maybe he saw god, she was smoking hot). Before this meme I thought he had a PhD and then I had to look up the scholar stuff.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
on 03 Jul 13:46
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And he is a Trump and Putin supporter. Fuck him.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Jul 13:47
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2013 was still after 2008 invasion of Georgia and many other signs that Putin is a ruthless dictator tbh. In 2017 he said Russia is lucky to have Putin.
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Jul 15:16
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fartographer@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 14:56
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My brain has always translated BS to āBastard Studies.ā I genuinely have up take a beat when someone says they have a BS in something so I can remind myself science bachelor
Eh, itās more about the enthusiasm than the qualifications. Plus, while Bill Nye is no angel, at least heās not a Putin supporter.
LikeTearsInTheRain@lemmynsfw.com
on 03 Jul 15:13
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Bill Nye is an entertainer / educator. Iāve met plenty of people with PHDs and masters who couldnāt present a basic concept because theyāre too caught up in technicalities and not understanding what itās like to teach and get people interested in something.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
on 03 Jul 15:40
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Iāll happily take a minimally qualified Science Guy that inspires thousands or millions of people to get into science than the most sciency scientist in all science that only ever inspired people to punch people.
Furthermore, formal education is only one part of knowledge. Gatekeeping the word āscientistā is pointless. Maybe he has equivalent knowledge, skills, and ability to someone with a more advanced education. Maybe he doesnāt. Formal education is just the usual route, not the only route.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 15:38
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Is there some controversy around Bill Nye that I havenāt heard?
He has been a leading science communicator covering hundreds of topics for many decades, and is only human, of course there are going to be shortcomings.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 16:03
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He has a reputation of just being an unpleasant dick and difficult to work with. Nothing super problematic to my knowledge, just a bad personality.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 19:37
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Iāve also heard that he gets a lot of weird people who are overly attached to the idea of him getting their fantasies crushed when they meet him. Realize that a lot of those āI met him and he was rudeā people might not be completely honest about their encounters. Think along the lines of Paris Syndrome, but for a person.
Fwiw Nye does seem to be very chummy with Neil de Grasse Tyson, and that guyās issues are far more well attested to. From the smug poor media literacy, to reports of being professionally hard to work with, to his sexual harrassment allegations. Iām not especially inclined to give Nye the benefit of the doubt given the company he chooses to keep.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 20:45
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I had to look up the sexual harassment stuff. Thatās from 2019 and it was either cleared or never substantiated.
Even if Tyson is a bit of a lolcow on twitter, there are far worse things to be.
Iām just really suspicious of how popular it is to discredit science communicators while anti-intellectualism is so pervasive in society. Itās far easier to tear something down then it is to build something.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 21:33
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I find it fascinating that theyāre out for blood when it comes to Tyson and Nye, but they ignore the rapist in the whitehouseā¦
Heās more than just āa bit of a lolcowā. He discredits science by being an arsehole and inserting science into places it obviously does not belong. Heās the epitome of that stereotypical āSTEM broā that looks down upon the arts and humanities. Hereās one anecdote about him I found:
Just saw a clip of his on Instagram about whether āfahrenheit units are better for the weatherā as opposed to Celsius.
He starts off with āwell, the weather doesnāt care about how we measure it. It just is what it is, regardless of our units. What you mean is that fahrenheit makes it easy for us to understand the weatherā¦ā And then goes on to discuss it.
Likeā¦ Fuck off man. Everyone knows what the person meant, and heās just being a smartass about it.
Heās also gone on āprovingā that Santa canāt be real with real physics. Thatās not stuff that makes people interested in science. Itās just dickish and does exactly the opposite.
Hereās an anecdote from someone who admits to overall liking him:
I still listen to [his podcast], but Iām gonna spoil it to you: just listen how often he interrupts people. Every question being asked he needs do change or add something and then ācomplainsā that the section or question takes too long.
Thereās also a clip with Joe Rogan where heās not even listening but just rambles on, and keep interrupting.
And finally, I get annoyed by his words of wisdoms where heās recycling the same sentences in his genius complex voice.
The claim there is that this is just one āsideā of NDT and that his ārealā side, when itās allowed to show through, is a much better communicator of the wonder of science. My take is that we donāt get to see this āauthenticā version of him nearly often enough to give him credit for it.
He has that bad habit that a lot of smart people (particularly physicists, for some reason) have, which is to think that because theyāre smart in their one area, they must also be smart in others. He is certainly nowhere near as bad as some (looking at you, Sabine Hossenfelder), but he does have a nasty habit particularly when talking about the history of science (which, first and foremost, is history). One point that heās particularly fond of (having repeated it regularly online as well as including it in his Cosmos remake) is the mediaeval flat earth myth.
As for the sexual misconduct allegations, they werenāt proven, but even if you take NDT entirely at his own wordā¦it might not rise to the level of criminal misconduct, but it sure is creepy as fuck behaviour. Grabbing under someoneās dress straps? Inviting a subordinate home for a private meal?
But itās not clear to me that we should just take him at his word. His own post defending himself, particularly the 1980s case, spends an awful lot of time attacking the character of the accuser. Whereas in the other cases he at least attempts to play it in the respectful āoh I can see how you might have gotten the wrong impression and Iām sorryā manner, here itās just āno, youāre clearly my intellectual inferior and therefore why should anybody believe you?ā
As for him being āclearedā:
According to Watson, the so-called āinvestigationsā Tyson was referring to consisted of the following: āI had one 30-minute sit-down with a Fox HR representative and a 45 minute-hour sit-down with a man from a private company. I gave them both lengthy lists of extremely reliable people who could corroborate my story, text messages from that time, emails NDT had sent to me, etc. None of the people I gave contact info for were ever contacted by these companies.ā
In his defence, I will say, Iāve seen a lot of people accusing him of also getting the physics wrong on certain things. And at least one case of him getting into a conversation with Richard Dawkins where he supposedly got something wrong about DNA. My read on most of the situations of this sort that Iāve seen are that theyāre either minor errors that are naturally going to occur in off-the-cuff discussions, or stem from an imprecision of language where the actual point he is trying to convey was totally reasonable. Maybe, given heās a science communicator, he should try better to get these things right, and be ready to correct them in the comments or in editing when they happen and are pointed out, which is something he seems not to do. But I donāt consider this a slight on him as a person at all. Not at the scale that Iāve seen.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 00:53
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I saw Tyson take such a dismissive attitude toward the threats of something like AI, specifically, AGI/ASI with the flippant ābut weād just shut it off!ā kind of thing, it really grinded my gears.
However, I guess Iām falling into the same trap that so many do - expecting this guy to be all things to every aspect of anything that smacks of āscienceā and thatās just not a realistic expectation. Iāll stick with him on things like the re-make/update of Cosmos and ignore his random hot takes on virtually everything else. Probably also when heās putting pen to paper vs. the hot take kind of thing on a talk show. He seems to be a frequent guest on talk shows and I remember a few being quite cringe at times.
I seem to remember a certain kind of person (usually your local WELLAXKTUALLY guy) getting butthurt about the way Sagan was being held up (in their view) as the arbiter of science or something, repeating āheās not a real scientist heās just a generalistā as a constant refrain.
Fuck it, who cares. If guys like this are good at getting whole generations of people interested in science, more power to themā¦science could use all the PR it can get in the age of Idiocracy.
If guys like this are good at getting whole generations of people interested in science, more power to them
Thatās the problem here though. He might be good at getting a certain kind of STEM bro into science, but his smart attitude turns away heaps more. He contributes to the perception of science as being hostile to women, at the same time as reinforcing the perception of science as elitist and exclusionary. He mightāve fit in well in the '90s and '00s, but unfortunately heās around in the '10s and '20s.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 20:38
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Definitely possible, itās just a little too consistent for me to think itās all people meeting their hero and nobody just trying to do their job and getting treated poorly.
I mean, I got the info about other people being weird around Bill Nye from a fan who went to one of his talks. According to her, lot of people who asked questions were asking him questions they were hyper specific to their chosen field that Nye would have no way of knowing unless that was the field he was working in. His specific field is education and science commutation. Without preparation, heās only going to be able to answer in depth questions in that field.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 00:46
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Hm, never heard of Paris Syndrome; guess you learn something every day, thanks.
Pretty much this. Met him once. Heās has no scandals, heās just kind of a rude guy.
I had a friend tell a story once about how he was on a field trip and the class found out Bill Nye was in the building. But once Bill found out kids were on the way he escaped out a window to avoid them. Iām not sure how true that is, but its kinda funny.
Having personally interacted with him more times than I would like, and it was only 3, heās just a massive jerk, and a self assured belittler.
He doesnāt respect people. Iām not sure he respects anyone other than those that can make his image better, and then itās conditional and stops when they arenāt useful.
On a more serious note: If anyone can just claim anything in a conversation, that would be detrimental to any discussion. Either everybody makes up their own āfactsā because no-one bothers proving everyone elseās version of a story (which is just everybody lying in everybodyās face); or everybody is constantly fact-checking everyone else, which makes the conversation take much longer than necessary.
You already have the source, or at least an idea in which context you got the information and how to find it again. Itās just common courtesy to share it the others rather than making them do the work, too.
There is a time and topic for demanding rigorous discussion, and shit posting about Dolph Lundgren aināt it. Insinuating dishonesty and demanding a source about something so unserious is like inserting yourself into a casual conversation to start an argument.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 18:05
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There was a clickbait NY Post article that Iād never link to, this article (archive) is more even handed.
I bet Lundgren is a huge piece of shit irl, no way someone like this canāt have a major fatal flaw
sourquincelog@hexbear.net
on 03 Jul 16:14
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I read through his wiki entry and didnāt notice anything of import except he made a bunch of flop movies and then he married a personal trainer 40 years younger than him
ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net
on 03 Jul 16:40
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IIRC heās a Zionist and criticised Sweden for being too socialist, so yeah, a couple.
Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org
on 03 Jul 15:23
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Bill is just a science guy after all. Not a science lord.
Boomkop3@reddthat.com
on 03 Jul 16:00
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More educated, you mean? Cuz to my knowledge only one of them works in science
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 17:47
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He sure does like to pretend heās the latter
Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com
on 03 Jul 19:06
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Based on what exactly? Iāve gone to one of his events, heās pretty explicit about being a science educator. I canāt say Iāve seen him claim otherwise anywhere, though people definitely like to put those words in his mouth.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 19:40
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The Information Age - the age of tailoring information to support our personal anger impulses.
I personally found his style really abrasive in the first and only recent show Iāve seen. Reddit was shitting all over him too, stating mostly that heās a prick and not friendly IRL at all.
That said what he advocates for is right.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 23:14
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I personally found his style really abrasive
the goofball science schtick doesnāt work for you? I know him from his old tv show from my youth.
Reddit was shitting all over him too, stating mostly that heās a prick and not friendly IRL at all.
well thatāsā¦ kinda an endorsement for me lol. most of reddit is a prick and not friendly irl from my own experiences.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 23:31
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realize youāre am asshole
am? dude, try not to trip on your keyboard while insulting people. it really undercuts your effort. I mean, perhaps consider for a moment that you am the real asshole lol
Itās important that you understand the difference between calling out the irony in a person like you accusing others of being āamā asshole- andā¦ ādefending celebrity gods.ā
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 01:32
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Iāve never seen the originals, as heās not that popular in Europe. My only exposure is āBill Nye Saves The Worldā on Netflix. I couldnāt get past the first episode.
Iām a big fan of Sagan, and while I donāt think NDTāa Cosmos: A Space time Odyssey was as good as the first series, I was mostly looking at Nyeās show with the same lense and trying to draw comparisons between them.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 05:15
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My only exposure is āBill Nye Saves The Worldā on Netflix.
have not seen that. will go look for it, I wonder if perhaps heās exhausted trying to explain basic science in this idiot-filled age.
I watched half of the new cosmos, then something got in the way (deployment or vacation or something where I was away from the internet), I should rewatch it. Agree it was not as amazing as OG Cosmos (I love that series so much that I own two copies of the book, one for me and one for the kids). Sagan is just that awesome, it even overcomes the 70s outfits :D
From me too. Reddit wasnāt mad because heās ānot friendlyā, they were mad that Bill was ātoo wokeā and featured a song and dance number by Rachel Bloom that even I found a little cringy tbh. Not because of the message, but I just think it was kind of poorly done. The only people Iāve ever heard say a bad word about Bill were climate deniers, anti vaxxers etc.
Iām proud of Bill for not backing down from politically charged issues, when he could easily ignore them to get more viewers/supporters. Scientists shouldnāt let politics interfere with Science and Science Communicators shouldnāt either.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 05:12
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well put. any time someone sneers āwokeā I laugh and check that person off of my list of people to give two fucks about. itās such a stupid, regressive pattern that you realize is represented in choices throughout their lives.
hobovision@mander.xyz
on 03 Jul 16:41
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What about a masters in engineering and a bachelorās in chemistry makes him even double more qualified? Yeah, maybe if he had a doctorate you could make that argument, but you could easily learn and do as much science work in 6 years outside of a university than you would in a BS and MS program at a university.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 17:05
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IQ 160, speaks 6 lenguages, Black Belt in several martial arts, in the making of the Rocky movie, Stallone wanted for realism that Lundgreen give him a real punch, after this he woke up in the hospital.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
on 03 Jul 21:19
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Instead, Lundgren found himself at the centre of one of New Yorkās most romanticised periods. He dabbled in modelling but was too tall and big for most gigs. He earned a basic wage alongside Chazz Palminteri as a bouncer on the door of Manhattanās Limelight Club. By night, he hung out with Keith Haring, Iman and Steve Rubell. By morning, [Garace] Jones would bring back as many as five girls for group sex, an activity he describes as āexhaustingā. He was a regular at both Studio 54 and the Factory, and Andy Warhol would invite him to do a photoshoot with Jones. But not before Warhol asked him: āWhat are you famous for?ā
āIt was certainly a shock for this young engineering student,ā he says. āIām pleased to have been part of that scene. It was right before Aids, and the club scene was hardcore. And my girlfriend, Grace, was a big gay icon, so we went to a lot of the clubs. We knew Andy and all the designers, and Michael Jackson and David Bowie. It was simpler in those days somehow. And fun. Entertainment wasnāt corporate in the way entertainment is now. A lot of the people I met back then are not alive anymore. You know, Aids or drugs or a combination of the two. Its bittersweet looking back. Even with Andy. I thought he was an old man at the time but he died in his 50s.ā
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 23:09
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What kinda essentialism is this? Artist is also absolutely a job title. Sure, you can self-describe as well, but there are people that get paid to be an artist.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Jul 23:38
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Iām a warrior, a poet, an entrepreneur. Who says Iām not?
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Jul 23:44
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No one. Like I said, you can self-identify but it is also a title you can have from a job or similar.
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 03 Jul 23:55
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Bachelors of Science? I know you could argue that is applied to a lot of degrees, However one of my kids is a Materials Scientist. It is the Diploma and Job. americanprofessionguide.com/materials-scientist-cā¦
Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Jul 02:23
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Iāll bet the bachelor of science degree is in something. BS in psychology. BS in materials (new to me). So youāre going to be a counselor, or a psychologist, or whatever a materialist is called other than materialist which doesnāt make sense.
Iām not sure what you are saying. Its not Materialist its Material Scientist, they study the science of materials and get a diploma in Materials Science, and the job is called Materials Scientist. Its basically Math, chemistry and metalurgial sciences rolled I into one discipline. Thus the link I posted, hereās another
materials.princeton.edu/ā¦/what-materials-science
troglodytis@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 22:26
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ā¦Does Bill Nye need more qualifications to be an effective science educator?
buttnugget@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 00:29
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He does not. This post is gatekeeping bullshit. The only thing that matters is knowledge of a subject. This shit reminds me of the worthless dumbfucks who immediately start asking for credentials when I tell them that their understanding of AI is nonsense.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 04 Jul 01:29
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the post thinks having more degrees means your more qualfied in that profession, and also prestige.
experience and basic qualification> more degrees and prestige just because your an actor.
Here is an advert by Veritasium for Googleās carās (Waymo). Itās a terrible video. It uncritically shills. It contains garbage āresearch.ā Here is a longer breakdown.
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 02:26
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Iām educated and fascinated by what Iāve learned too, and Iāve managed to not be an pompous assā¦ Oh wait, nevermind.
pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Jul 00:00
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Sure but watching him on nova when I was a kid is a big reason I got so into science and engineering so I donāt really care
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 04 Jul 00:13
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Unfortunately same with Bill Nye. He seemed so pissed at getting recognized by people at a symposium.
Like geeze dude sorry you inspired people as kids and encouraged them to pursue science and theyāre excited to meet you.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world
on 03 Jul 23:59
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Neil does have a PhD. in astrophysics, however.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 00:04
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Neil regularly gets osmosis wrong and thinks it/distilled water can āsuck mineralsā from your body, something I was taught repeatedly in basic A&P, biology, and chemistry, that isnt true bc osmosis is the movement of water, not solutes.
Well, considering thatās not astrophysics, I canāt say Iām surprised. Not trying to defend the guy; he can be confidently wrong and a dick at times and should be more aware of what he doesnāt know. On the other hand, Iāve never heard anyone say anything bad about Bill.
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 04 Jul 00:54
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He specifically claims to be a science guy. Not a scientist.
Iām not his biggest fan, but I fully respect his scientific credentials. He has a PhD from Columbia. He published at least a dozen papers. Thereās no question that heās a scientist, a manager of scientists, as well as a science communicator.
The problem is that his success seems to have destroyed his humility. Itās not that he brags about being so incredibly smart. Itās more that he doesnāt ever seem to sit back and say āhey, maybe this isnāt something where my contributions wonāt be appreciatedā. I think his science communication is doing more good than harm. I think heās a great role model for little black boys who think all scientists are white, or that theyāre all stuffy nerds with no personality. But, I think heās at his best when heās in a show where thereās a script and an editor. On social media and on free-form podcasts, he comes off as a know-it-all ass.
He is a know-it-all ass. Heās a self-important dickhead. But I appreciate his role in getting young black kids seeing a role model that they can relate to. Thatās far more important than his ego.
Ha! It makes it sound like youāre saying that young black kids are self-important dickheads and thatās why heās a good role model.
But, yeah, I know what youāre trying to say. Despite his social media presence, the image that kids generally see is a very positive one. Heās a somewhat stylish (in his own way) guy, who clearly has personality, and is a very accomplished scientist. I just cringe any time he comments on something not related to astrophysics.
Exactly. He doesnāt need to ruin movies. We know that movies are for entertainment, it doesnāt need to be dissected as fact. And we certainly donāt need someone taking our escapism away from us. Let us have this, dude. We need this right now, including from the time he became prominent. He killed Pluto, which I guess is fine because it was accurate, but he didnāt need to shove himself into movies and try to ruin our very-much-needed escapism. Itās egotistical, and insulting, as if we donāt know that itās a movie.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 13:28
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But, I think heās at his best when heās in a show where thereās a script and an editor. On social media and on free-form podcasts, he comes off as a know-it-all ass.
^ This. I still am miffed at his attitude in regards to considering the issues of AI on I forget which talk show, but he took the attitude of āweād just pull the plugā.
Maybe when in a scripted format or in writing, he might be able to extrapolate a bit, but he just sounded like a layperson when it comes to the topic, and I honestly have no idea if heās read or considered the kinds of things that, say, Nick Bostrom has put out there. It just sounded like some hot take man-on-the-street kind of response, talking about the problem as if we are talking about someoneās server running somewhere. It was justā¦facepalm.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson has a Phd in astrophysics and he has published a lot of papers. He is a scientist and a science communicator. Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye are not the same.
Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml
on 04 Jul 00:05
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And we are commenting on a device whose WiFi signal was inspired by the work of Hedy Lamaar.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 01:12
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Whoever made this meme doesnāt know what exponentially means.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Jul 14:53
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I, too, spent longer than I ever should have thinking about this. My first thought was, theyāre just using it in a linguistic sense, so it doesnāt matter that the exponent would have to be something very small to go from 1 qualification to 4. But then I thought, hm, I guess since thereās only 1 qualification for Bill, no exponent would be enough. But then I realized that grammatically the value in question is āqualificationā and not ānumber of degreesā. The number of degrees is merely standing in as a heuristic proxy to illustrate qualification. This āqualificationā scale makes the most the most sense if itās between 0 and 1, representing percentiles of qualification. Therefore, the exponent applied to Billās qualifications must also be between 0 and 1 in order to increase the value to Lundgrenās. For a moment I thought this was the nail in the coffin for the original text, but of course the word āmoreā there again refers to the qualification, not to the exponent itself. This interpretation has the nice benefit that no matter what the exponent is, we always get a qualification value between 0 and 1. Hence I can conclude this is the only viable headcanon for this post.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 04 Jul 01:24
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to be fair bill nye is using his degree and teaching rather than someone that just ditched his degree after he got it. in a job setting they will take bill nye over someone that hasnt used his degree in a while. some people. one is passionate about the stems while the other ones wasnt, some people get higher degrees just because of pressure in thier social circles and then end up hating it and leaving, there were alot of those people in college.
they are seeing someone as having more prestige and degree means they are more qualfied than someone that has more experience in the field.
meep_launcher@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Jul 03:43
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If anything, in my 30 years Iāve learned degrees only mean so much. Someone without a degree but with actual on the job experience will out perform a new grad any day of the week.
Frankly the university system has become a way to make sure the poor stay poor.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
on 04 Jul 05:07
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i believe that too, unfortunately for stems its still archaic in the way it gains experience, plus its also gatekeeped too in a way too, like they gatekeep MD salaries, although not as aggressive, the profs at my school you can gauranteed one of them had money to go to harvard or some expensive school and come out with a job in hand, you can tell which one came from these top schools because they also give off an elitist attitude. one the gen chem prof was like that.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today
on 04 Jul 05:41
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Sounds like he got him beat.
DominatorX1@thelemmy.club
on 04 Jul 12:33
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Theater is everything. Even in āscienceā.
Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 14:04
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Stephen Hawking fell into the same role in his later years. If your first introduction to him was trying to communicate science to stupid people, please read Black Holes and Baby Universes, or really, any of his works before he was getting ready to die.
Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 14:06
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Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson, Dora the Explorer. All very important. Be interested in things.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world
on 04 Jul 16:20
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Dolph, Dolph, Dolph!
Dolph Lundgren the science front man.
Lundgren the science guy!
š¶ Dolph! Dolph! Dolph! Dolph! Dolph! Dolph!š¶
He quit the Fulbright thing after two weeks though.
Choice. A bold choice. Not a negative.
Yeah, but look at why he quit:
Itās not like he said āthis is too hard for meā, itās more like he said āwait, I can have this other life instead?ā
Iām not complaining or anything. Bro was banging peak Grace Jones and saw a better life than chemical engineering (maybe he saw god, she was smoking hot). Before this meme I thought he had a PhD and then I had to look up the scholar stuff.
And he is a Trump and Putin supporter. Fuck him.
Oof. Didnāt know that
Thereās no evidence for that anywhere. Always ask for a source.
He took his role in Rocky IV too seriously.
Dolph or Bill?
Dolphā¦ Bill Nye is a Queer and Trans supporter.
And a big plastics shill, unfortunately.
I could only find this:
nymag.com/ā¦/dolph-lundgren-putin-sniper-rifles-inā¦
It mentions only Putin (which also sounds like a joke) and itās from 2013 (before the annexation of Crimea).
Is there any more, and preferably recent, info?
I donāt care much about this guy specifically, but I wanted to chime in and say that I appreciate you looking for a source.
Maybe theyāre confusing Dolph with Kevin Sorbo?
I think thatās bigger insult than calling him a Trump supporter
2013 was still after 2008 invasion of Georgia and many other signs that Putin is a ruthless dictator tbh. In 2017 he said Russia is lucky to have Putin.
Source?
Since we are talking science, let me paraphrase Carl Sagan:
āClaims require evidenceā
Obligatory: Source?
Source: I made it the fuck up
If you read BS as Bullshit, it makes it better.
My brain has always translated BS to āBastard Studies.ā I genuinely have up take a beat when someone says they have a BS in something so I can remind myself science bachelor
I always read it that way. Why not just call it B.O.S or remove the abbreviation?
The same reason the National Aeronautics and Space Administration isnāt NAASA.
Eh, itās more about the enthusiasm than the qualifications. Plus, while Bill Nye is no angel, at least heās not a Putin supporter.
Bill Nye is an entertainer / educator. Iāve met plenty of people with PHDs and masters who couldnāt present a basic concept because theyāre too caught up in technicalities and not understanding what itās like to teach and get people interested in something.
Iāll happily take a minimally qualified Science Guy that inspires thousands or millions of people to get into science than the most sciency scientist in all science that only ever inspired people to punch people.
Furthermore, formal education is only one part of knowledge. Gatekeeping the word āscientistā is pointless. Maybe he has equivalent knowledge, skills, and ability to someone with a more advanced education. Maybe he doesnāt. Formal education is just the usual route, not the only route.
Is there some controversy around Bill Nye that I havenāt heard?
He has been a leading science communicator covering hundreds of topics for many decades, and is only human, of course there are going to be shortcomings.
He has a reputation of just being an unpleasant dick and difficult to work with. Nothing super problematic to my knowledge, just a bad personality.
Iāve also heard that he gets a lot of weird people who are overly attached to the idea of him getting their fantasies crushed when they meet him. Realize that a lot of those āI met him and he was rudeā people might not be completely honest about their encounters. Think along the lines of Paris Syndrome, but for a person.
Fwiw Nye does seem to be very chummy with Neil de Grasse Tyson, and that guyās issues are far more well attested to. From the smug poor media literacy, to reports of being professionally hard to work with, to his sexual harrassment allegations. Iām not especially inclined to give Nye the benefit of the doubt given the company he chooses to keep.
I had to look up the sexual harassment stuff. Thatās from 2019 and it was either cleared or never substantiated.
Even if Tyson is a bit of a lolcow on twitter, there are far worse things to be.
Iām just really suspicious of how popular it is to discredit science communicators while anti-intellectualism is so pervasive in society. Itās far easier to tear something down then it is to build something.
I find it fascinating that theyāre out for blood when it comes to Tyson and Nye, but they ignore the rapist in the whitehouseā¦
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Heās more than just āa bit of a lolcowā. He discredits science by being an arsehole and inserting science into places it obviously does not belong. Heās the epitome of that stereotypical āSTEM broā that looks down upon the arts and humanities. Hereās one anecdote about him I found:
Heās also gone on āprovingā that Santa canāt be real with real physics. Thatās not stuff that makes people interested in science. Itās just dickish and does exactly the opposite.
Hereās an anecdote from someone who admits to overall liking him:
The claim there is that this is just one āsideā of NDT and that his ārealā side, when itās allowed to show through, is a much better communicator of the wonder of science. My take is that we donāt get to see this āauthenticā version of him nearly often enough to give him credit for it.
He has that bad habit that a lot of smart people (particularly physicists, for some reason) have, which is to think that because theyāre smart in their one area, they must also be smart in others. He is certainly nowhere near as bad as some (looking at you, Sabine Hossenfelder), but he does have a nasty habit particularly when talking about the history of science (which, first and foremost, is history). One point that heās particularly fond of (having repeated it regularly online as well as including it in his Cosmos remake) is the mediaeval flat earth myth.
As for the sexual misconduct allegations, they werenāt proven, but even if you take NDT entirely at his own wordā¦it might not rise to the level of criminal misconduct, but it sure is creepy as fuck behaviour. Grabbing under someoneās dress straps? Inviting a subordinate home for a private meal?
But itās not clear to me that we should just take him at his word. His own post defending himself, particularly the 1980s case, spends an awful lot of time attacking the character of the accuser. Whereas in the other cases he at least attempts to play it in the respectful āoh I can see how you might have gotten the wrong impression and Iām sorryā manner, here itās just āno, youāre clearly my intellectual inferior and therefore why should anybody believe you?ā
As for him being āclearedā:
In his defence, I will say, Iāve seen a lot of people accusing him of also getting the physics wrong on certain things. And at least one case of him getting into a conversation with Richard Dawkins where he supposedly got something wrong about DNA. My read on most of the situations of this sort that Iāve seen are that theyāre either minor errors that are naturally going to occur in off-the-cuff discussions, or stem from an imprecision of language where the actual point he is trying to convey was totally reasonable. Maybe, given heās a science communicator, he should try better to get these things right, and be ready to correct them in the comments or in editing when they happen and are pointed out, which is something he seems not to do. But I donāt consider this a slight on him as a person at all. Not at the scale that Iāve seen.
I saw Tyson take such a dismissive attitude toward the threats of something like AI, specifically, AGI/ASI with the flippant ābut weād just shut it off!ā kind of thing, it really grinded my gears.
However, I guess Iām falling into the same trap that so many do - expecting this guy to be all things to every aspect of anything that smacks of āscienceā and thatās just not a realistic expectation. Iāll stick with him on things like the re-make/update of Cosmos and ignore his random hot takes on virtually everything else. Probably also when heās putting pen to paper vs. the hot take kind of thing on a talk show. He seems to be a frequent guest on talk shows and I remember a few being quite cringe at times.
I seem to remember a certain kind of person (usually your local WELLAXKTUALLY guy) getting butthurt about the way Sagan was being held up (in their view) as the arbiter of science or something, repeating āheās not a real scientist heās just a generalistā as a constant refrain.
Fuck it, who cares. If guys like this are good at getting whole generations of people interested in science, more power to themā¦science could use all the PR it can get in the age of Idiocracy.
Thatās the problem here though. He might be good at getting a certain kind of STEM bro into science, but his smart attitude turns away heaps more. He contributes to the perception of science as being hostile to women, at the same time as reinforcing the perception of science as elitist and exclusionary. He mightāve fit in well in the '90s and '00s, but unfortunately heās around in the '10s and '20s.
Definitely possible, itās just a little too consistent for me to think itās all people meeting their hero and nobody just trying to do their job and getting treated poorly.
I mean, I got the info about other people being weird around Bill Nye from a fan who went to one of his talks. According to her, lot of people who asked questions were asking him questions they were hyper specific to their chosen field that Nye would have no way of knowing unless that was the field he was working in. His specific field is education and science commutation. Without preparation, heās only going to be able to answer in depth questions in that field.
Hm, never heard of Paris Syndrome; guess you learn something every day, thanks.
Pretty much this. Met him once. Heās has no scandals, heās just kind of a rude guy.
I had a friend tell a story once about how he was on a field trip and the class found out Bill Nye was in the building. But once Bill found out kids were on the way he escaped out a window to avoid them. Iām not sure how true that is, but its kinda funny.
His AMA was pretty bad.
How so?
Itās been a while and I donāt feel like going back there to refresh my memory.
Having personally interacted with him more times than I would like, and it was only 3, heās just a massive jerk, and a self assured belittler.
He doesnāt respect people. Iām not sure he respects anyone other than those that can make his image better, and then itās conditional and stops when they arenāt useful.
Thatās disappointing.
Source or GTFO. Spreading rumours about people is a shitty thing to do.
Iāll be nice, but nobody owes it to you to source everything they say or look things up for you. Googling isnāt hard.
Nobody owes it to you to believe what you say either, but they offered you the chance to back up your words.
Granted they werenāt nice about it, but shit for shit leaves everyone covered in shit.
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Onlyfans already knew.
On a more serious note: If anyone can just claim anything in a conversation, that would be detrimental to any discussion. Either everybody makes up their own āfactsā because no-one bothers proving everyone elseās version of a story (which is just everybody lying in everybodyās face); or everybody is constantly fact-checking everyone else, which makes the conversation take much longer than necessary.
You already have the source, or at least an idea in which context you got the information and how to find it again. Itās just common courtesy to share it the others rather than making them do the work, too.
Also: en.wikipedia.org/ā¦/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
There is a time and topic for demanding rigorous discussion, and shit posting about Dolph Lundgren aināt it. Insinuating dishonesty and demanding a source about something so unserious is like inserting yourself into a casual conversation to start an argument.
There was a clickbait NY Post article that Iād never link to, this article (archive) is more even handed.
This is confirmed by a search thatās faster than your comment so whereās your anger coming from?
Itās tragic that he never got to play a scientist who could smell crime.
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I bet Lundgren is a huge piece of shit irl, no way someone like this canāt have a major fatal flaw
I read through his wiki entry and didnāt notice anything of import except he made a bunch of flop movies and then he married a personal trainer 40 years younger than him
IIRC heās a Zionist and criticised Sweden for being too socialist, so yeah, a couple.
Bill is just a science guy after all. Not a science lord.
More educated, you mean? Cuz to my knowledge only one of them works in science
He also dated Grace Jones. Prime human indeed.
Bill Nye is a science communicator, like Kyle Hill
I wonder if Kyle will ever address his Bill Gates video or if heāll just ignore it forever
Heās a science guy, not a scientist.
He sure does like to pretend heās the latter
Based on what exactly? Iāve gone to one of his events, heās pretty explicit about being a science educator. I canāt say Iāve seen him claim otherwise anywhere, though people definitely like to put those words in his mouth.
The Information Age - the age of tailoring information to support our personal anger impulses.
Heās explicit about being a science communicator and welcomes that discussion.
citation needed
aw did the science guy hurt your feefees?
show me where the bad man TOLD YOU SOMETHING OBVIOUS THAT RUINED YOUR DAY.
Oh wow, didnāt know Bill Nye also has a toxic, Rick and Morty style army of shit slinging white knights
itās ok, calm down calm downā¦ just explain what your beef with the science bro is.
not hard, articulate your issues man. let it off your chest, I can tell itās really really bothering you.
I personally found his style really abrasive in the first and only recent show Iāve seen. Reddit was shitting all over him too, stating mostly that heās a prick and not friendly IRL at all.
That said what he advocates for is right.
the goofball science schtick doesnāt work for you? I know him from his old tv show from my youth.
well thatāsā¦ kinda an endorsement for me lol. most of reddit is a prick and not friendly irl from my own experiences.
appreciate the reply
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am? dude, try not to trip on your keyboard while insulting people. it really undercuts your effort. I mean, perhaps consider for a moment that you am the real asshole lol
Oh the irony.
Actually bill Nye is a well known asshole, but keep defending your celebrity gods
Itās important that you understand the difference between calling out the irony in a person like you accusing others of being āamā asshole- andā¦ ādefending celebrity gods.ā
Being pedantic about grammar is such a loser move
lolā¦ I donāt think you know what pedantic means.
Iāve never seen the originals, as heās not that popular in Europe. My only exposure is āBill Nye Saves The Worldā on Netflix. I couldnāt get past the first episode.
Iām a big fan of Sagan, and while I donāt think NDTāa Cosmos: A Space time Odyssey was as good as the first series, I was mostly looking at Nyeās show with the same lense and trying to draw comparisons between them.
have not seen that. will go look for it, I wonder if perhaps heās exhausted trying to explain basic science in this idiot-filled age.
I watched half of the new cosmos, then something got in the way (deployment or vacation or something where I was away from the internet), I should rewatch it. Agree it was not as amazing as OG Cosmos (I love that series so much that I own two copies of the book, one for me and one for the kids). Sagan is just that awesome, it even overcomes the 70s outfits :D
From me too. Reddit wasnāt mad because heās ānot friendlyā, they were mad that Bill was ātoo wokeā and featured a song and dance number by Rachel Bloom that even I found a little cringy tbh. Not because of the message, but I just think it was kind of poorly done. The only people Iāve ever heard say a bad word about Bill were climate deniers, anti vaxxers etc.
Iām proud of Bill for not backing down from politically charged issues, when he could easily ignore them to get more viewers/supporters. Scientists shouldnāt let politics interfere with Science and Science Communicators shouldnāt either.
well put. any time someone sneers āwokeā I laugh and check that person off of my list of people to give two fucks about. itās such a stupid, regressive pattern that you realize is represented in choices throughout their lives.
What about a masters in engineering and a bachelorās in chemistry makes him even double more qualified? Yeah, maybe if he had a doctorate you could make that argument, but you could easily learn and do as much science work in 6 years outside of a university than you would in a BS and MS program at a university.
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IQ 160, speaks 6 lenguages, Black Belt in several martial arts, in the making of the Rocky movie, Stallone wanted for realism that Lundgreen give him a real punch, after this he woke up in the hospital.
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Point to Lundren for epic party stories.
The quote in his online biography about his modeling career is a bit more detailed:
Wow. Can you imagine a bigger ego boost than being turned down to be a male model because youāre just too tall and muscular?
Being perpetually exhausted because your celebrity girlfriend keeps bringing back too many girls for the group sex session is a close second though.
Nye is more of if an educator than scientist. A lot like your average science teacher in high school.
Dolph is usually posted in this manner to put down Nyeās support for climate research, anti creationism, and other āpoliticalā stands.
Wait why? Does he not support those views?
His views are easily found online. Iām commenting on the side by side comic meme and its implications.
Dolph is vegan and seems to not care about religion, but mostly stays out of politics.
So heās probably on the same page as Nye Iām guessing.
Its not the size of your knowledge. Its what you do with it that counts.
āBill nye the science guyā
Fair enough.
Dolph lundgren the Scienceā¦ Dungeon?
Curmudgeon?
Exponential in which variable?
Bill Nye the Engineering Guy
What do you guys think is so special about a scientist.
They measure things and record data really well. They apply scientific principles and such.
They use lab equipment and usually have a very narrow scope on the things they are working on.
Do you think every scientist gets a nobel or something?
Scientist isnāt a thing. Itās like artist, a self-designation.
No, its a thing, people have the title āscientist.ā Its just a job, tho.
Nuh-uh.
Just do a quick job search. I know plenty of scientists.
Researchers, professors, testers, archeologists, chemists, physicists, biologists.
Show me someone walking around with āscientistā on their lapel. Itās like a cartoon joke.
americanprofessionguide.com/materials-scientist-cā¦
Staff scientists at work vanish into thin air upon receiving this profound take.
Staff assassins move in to protect them from staff ninjas.
Itās a real staff infection
My kid holds a Materials Science degree and worka as a Materials Scientist americanprofessionguide.com/materials-scientist-cā¦
Itāsa you, Mario!
Eeii, mama mia!
What kinda essentialism is this? Artist is also absolutely a job title. Sure, you can self-describe as well, but there are people that get paid to be an artist.
Iām a warrior, a poet, an entrepreneur. Who says Iām not?
No one. Like I said, you can self-identify but it is also a title you can have from a job or similar.
You did say that. Iām corrected.
Bachelors of Science? I know you could argue that is applied to a lot of degrees, However one of my kids is a Materials Scientist. It is the Diploma and Job. americanprofessionguide.com/materials-scientist-cā¦
Iāll bet the bachelor of science degree is in something. BS in psychology. BS in materials (new to me). So youāre going to be a counselor, or a psychologist, or whatever a materialist is called other than materialist which doesnāt make sense.
Iām not sure what you are saying. Its not Materialist its Material Scientist, they study the science of materials and get a diploma in Materials Science, and the job is called Materials Scientist. Its basically Math, chemistry and metalurgial sciences rolled I into one discipline. Thus the link I posted, hereās another materials.princeton.edu/ā¦/what-materials-science
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This is the way
Iāmma need to see Dolph in a bow tieā¦
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Now what?
im not a scientist but my data points indicate that this meme fucking sucks
ā¦Does Bill Nye need more qualifications to be an effective science educator?
He does not. This post is gatekeeping bullshit. The only thing that matters is knowledge of a subject. This shit reminds me of the worthless dumbfucks who immediately start asking for credentials when I tell them that their understanding of AI is nonsense.
the post thinks having more degrees means your more qualfied in that profession, and also prestige. experience and basic qualification> more degrees and prestige just because your an actor.
bill nye is not a scientist, and he never claimed to be one. He is a science communicator, a role he has done well for some time.
Same with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
NDT is a pompous ass
Itās a downside of being educated and fascinated by what youāve learned.
He kisses himself in the mirror
He also has credible sexual assault allegations against him.
But only on the lips.
Mark rober manages just fine without being a pompous ass
Here is Mark Rober shilling for Anduril, an AI weapon company.
Well shit. Veritasium? Smarter every day?
Smarter Every Day pushed Young Earth Creation talking points in a video where he tears up remembering his time developing guided missiles :(
I liked Mark Rober until about ten seconds ago, too :(
Its a raw youtube link (Iām a cave-dweller) so Iām putting it here: youtu.be/VPSm9gJkPxU?t=1615
Here is an advert by Veritasium for Googleās carās (Waymo). Itās a terrible video. It uncritically shills. It contains garbage āresearch.ā Here is a longer breakdown.
Iām educated and fascinated by what Iāve learned too, and Iāve managed to not be an pompous assā¦ Oh wait, nevermind.
Sure but watching him on nova when I was a kid is a big reason I got so into science and engineering so I donāt really care
Unfortunately same with Bill Nye. He seemed so pissed at getting recognized by people at a symposium.
Like geeze dude sorry you inspired people as kids and encouraged them to pursue science and theyāre excited to meet you.
Neil does have a PhD. in astrophysics, however.
Neil regularly gets osmosis wrong and thinks it/distilled water can āsuck mineralsā from your body, something I was taught repeatedly in basic A&P, biology, and chemistry, that isnt true bc osmosis is the movement of water, not solutes.
Neil regularly says super dumb shit lol I donāt subscribe to him but I see random clips of him talking sometimes and not getting things right
Well, considering thatās not astrophysics, I canāt say Iām surprised. Not trying to defend the guy; he can be confidently wrong and a dick at times and should be more aware of what he doesnāt know. On the other hand, Iāve never heard anyone say anything bad about Bill.
He specifically claims to be a science guy. Not a scientist.
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BILL! BILL! BILL! BILL!
Sure, but he has a Bachelor of Science degree. :)
Yeah, but thatās BS
Not the same with Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Iām not his biggest fan, but I fully respect his scientific credentials. He has a PhD from Columbia. He published at least a dozen papers. Thereās no question that heās a scientist, a manager of scientists, as well as a science communicator.
The problem is that his success seems to have destroyed his humility. Itās not that he brags about being so incredibly smart. Itās more that he doesnāt ever seem to sit back and say āhey, maybe this isnāt something where my contributions wonāt be appreciatedā. I think his science communication is doing more good than harm. I think heās a great role model for little black boys who think all scientists are white, or that theyāre all stuffy nerds with no personality. But, I think heās at his best when heās in a show where thereās a script and an editor. On social media and on free-form podcasts, he comes off as a know-it-all ass.
He is a know-it-all ass. Heās a self-important dickhead. But I appreciate his role in getting young black kids seeing a role model that they can relate to. Thatās far more important than his ego.
Ha! It makes it sound like youāre saying that young black kids are self-important dickheads and thatās why heās a good role model.
But, yeah, I know what youāre trying to say. Despite his social media presence, the image that kids generally see is a very positive one. Heās a somewhat stylish (in his own way) guy, who clearly has personality, and is a very accomplished scientist. I just cringe any time he comments on something not related to astrophysics.
Exactly. He doesnāt need to ruin movies. We know that movies are for entertainment, it doesnāt need to be dissected as fact. And we certainly donāt need someone taking our escapism away from us. Let us have this, dude. We need this right now, including from the time he became prominent. He killed Pluto, which I guess is fine because it was accurate, but he didnāt need to shove himself into movies and try to ruin our very-much-needed escapism. Itās egotistical, and insulting, as if we donāt know that itās a movie.
^ This. I still am miffed at his attitude in regards to considering the issues of AI on I forget which talk show, but he took the attitude of āweād just pull the plugā.
Maybe when in a scripted format or in writing, he might be able to extrapolate a bit, but he just sounded like a layperson when it comes to the topic, and I honestly have no idea if heās read or considered the kinds of things that, say, Nick Bostrom has put out there. It just sounded like some hot take man-on-the-street kind of response, talking about the problem as if we are talking about someoneās server running somewhere. It was justā¦facepalm.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson has a Phd in astrophysics and he has published a lot of papers. He is a scientist and a science communicator. Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye are not the same.
And we are commenting on a device whose WiFi signal was inspired by the work of Hedy Lamaar.
Whoever made this meme doesnāt know what exponentially means.
This is science, not math.
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I, too, spent longer than I ever should have thinking about this. My first thought was, theyāre just using it in a linguistic sense, so it doesnāt matter that the exponent would have to be something very small to go from 1 qualification to 4. But then I thought, hm, I guess since thereās only 1 qualification for Bill, no exponent would be enough. But then I realized that grammatically the value in question is āqualificationā and not ānumber of degreesā. The number of degrees is merely standing in as a heuristic proxy to illustrate qualification. This āqualificationā scale makes the most the most sense if itās between 0 and 1, representing percentiles of qualification. Therefore, the exponent applied to Billās qualifications must also be between 0 and 1 in order to increase the value to Lundgrenās. For a moment I thought this was the nail in the coffin for the original text, but of course the word āmoreā there again refers to the qualification, not to the exponent itself. This interpretation has the nice benefit that no matter what the exponent is, we always get a qualification value between 0 and 1. Hence I can conclude this is the only viable headcanon for this post.
to be fair bill nye is using his degree and teaching rather than someone that just ditched his degree after he got it. in a job setting they will take bill nye over someone that hasnt used his degree in a while. some people. one is passionate about the stems while the other ones wasnt, some people get higher degrees just because of pressure in thier social circles and then end up hating it and leaving, there were alot of those people in college.
they are seeing someone as having more prestige and degree means they are more qualfied than someone that has more experience in the field.
If anything, in my 30 years Iāve learned degrees only mean so much. Someone without a degree but with actual on the job experience will out perform a new grad any day of the week.
Frankly the university system has become a way to make sure the poor stay poor.
i believe that too, unfortunately for stems its still archaic in the way it gains experience, plus its also gatekeeped too in a way too, like they gatekeep MD salaries, although not as aggressive, the profs at my school you can gauranteed one of them had money to go to harvard or some expensive school and come out with a job in hand, you can tell which one came from these top schools because they also give off an elitist attitude. one the gen chem prof was like that.
Heās a science guy.
Sounds like he got him beat.
Theater is everything. Even in āscienceā.
Stephen Hawking fell into the same role in his later years. If your first introduction to him was trying to communicate science to stupid people, please read Black Holes and Baby Universes, or really, any of his works before he was getting ready to die.
Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson, Dora the Explorer. All very important. Be interested in things.
If he is a Prime, what does he transform into?
120ft tall robot version of himself.
He still audits classes at MIT occasionally.
Dolph Lundgren also smells crime, and when heās not out fighting crime ā¦