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HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today on 14 Mar 00:28 next collapse

They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.

tiredofsametab@fedia.io on 14 Mar 01:02 next collapse

I've spoken to some Fins and it's being that close to another human being causing that.

/S but only slightly

FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 01:59 next collapse

They sound like my kind of people. Time to look into graduate school in Finland

tiredofsametab@fedia.io on 14 Mar 05:10 collapse

There was a meme picture of a Finnish bus stop with people queueing leaving about 1-2m between each person. When it was still current, I asked some friends of mine about it and they said "yeah, we definitely like our personal space", especially out in the countryside.

tajunta@lemmy.wtf on 14 Mar 05:42 collapse

At the time of the pandemic it was hard for us Finns, as they said we should be 2 meters away from each other. Too close!

tajunta@lemmy.wtf on 14 Mar 05:40 collapse

As a Finn I can confirm this.

mmddmm@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 02:19 next collapse

It’s AI generated, isn’t it?

ryedaft@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 08:12 collapse

Kinda small on my phone but I don’t think so. Most ai stuff looks more air brushed and the light is usually weird. This has skin imperfections and clothes wrinkles that look very real.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:35 next collapse

I guess they’re just not actors

Ymer@feddit.dk on 14 Mar 08:26 next collapse

Yeah, but it’ll be a random family member - not necessarily a woman or LGBTQ+.

Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 09:35 next collapse

No no the guy is making a face like “I came here to fart don’t follow me” and she’s all “I came here to smell it”

umbraroze@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 12:19 collapse

I’m from Finland. It’s late winter now. It’s not Smiling Season yet.

[deleted] on 14 Mar 00:53 next collapse

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CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 00:58 next collapse

Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.

Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.

SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 01:17 next collapse

It’s like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey’s paw

The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share, not because we want to flat out refuse to help or share

mmddmm@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 02:18 collapse

The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share

Instructions unclear, got weapons to defend against the US instead…

Suddenly nobody wants an F-35 anymore.

musubibreakfast@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 05:07 collapse

Maybe if things go poorly Europe will have to come liberate you guys and spread some democracy.

Skunk@jlai.lu on 14 Mar 06:53 collapse

We ally with California, Mexico and Canada then liberate the Gilead Republic (see The Handmaid’s Tale series and Civil War film).

TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub on 14 Mar 15:25 collapse

We could rejoin the three Californias!

RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com on 26 Mar 21:52 collapse

You like being told to fuck off?

I’m making plans to leave and I’m not looking forward to being associated with the US

Hylactor@sopuli.xyz on 14 Mar 02:48 next collapse

Living somewhere else is quite tempting in a grass is greener way, but it feels like moving out of my house because of pests. What I’d really rather do is eradicate the pests and get my home back. Even if I move, how long until I have to suffer new pests? Meanwhile the more sane of the two completely out of touch parties that comprise my government are like my housemate, and they keep leaving food wrappers and shit all over the place and they refuse to call an exterminator because it would be “cruel”. But these no-kill traps ain’t doing shit. Figuratively speaking, of course.

Lauchmelder@feddit.org on 14 Mar 09:48 next collapse

I couldn’t have said it better myself, I will definitely steal that analogy. Moving to another country is such an extreme step, because it means giving up everything I have here and adjusting to new people, new culture, new language, new everything. I’d rather my home stay pest-free.

thevoidzero@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 13:38 collapse

Of course we’d rather it stays pest free. For if you have black mold, would you stay there and have health consequences for rest of your life, your children and all. Or would you just think I’ll abandon this, it’s gonna cost a lot to give up the furniture and everything that you have build up over the years but it’s not important than your life. Specifically as a non-white person where even your residence status isn’t protecting you anymore.

And this current thing isn’t the problem it’s a symptom of a problem so deep, I don’t really see us getting back to normal anytime soon. We might mitigate it, or maybe it’ll get so bad people will realize the actual problems and work towards solving it. I just don’t have energy to be that optimistic. I really wish people would be more empathetic, think about the community and be altruistic enough to address the bigger problem. But I don’t see that happening.

JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 18:22 collapse

Hello. I’d like to rekindle some of your optimism. In a little tiny corner of America, I know of at least one man with a plan to fix this situation.

The plan is relatively simple, start networking. You don’t need to make friends per se, but relationships are powerful. Once you have established a relationship with enough people with similar issues to you (think coworkers, family members, people in your neighborhood, etc) start creating co-ops/non-profits. Food/housing are your best bets to get a foothold. As each co-op stabilizes, start on the next. Again, food/housing. Food can be done as a mutual fund and evolves into food drives. Housing starts with “you can crash” and eventually evolves into a non-profit expense-sharing apartment complex with a rent cap.

That last bit might be confusing. A non-profit, expense-sharing apartment complex with a rent cap looks like:

“Your rent is due, this month it cost us $X to keep the lights on, water running, land owned, etcetera. We have Y tenants, which means we need $X/Y from each tenant. Due to the 30% AGI/$1700 (whichever is lower) (according to average rent in America) rent cap, some high earners may be asked to contribute a slightly higher amount than listed above. If this policy applies to you, a second notification will be sent to you.”

Eventually, combine them. Why shouldn’t your tenants eat for free? You just add “bellies full” to that list up there.

The best part about this plan is that you can give up at literally any point without really fucking with your life too much. The whole plan is basically “make friends and offer to pay their bills until no one needs to pay bills anymore”

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 11:26 collapse

Sometimes you gotta move out and leave your roommate alone in the mess, for them to hopefully realize that they are the problem

SARGE@startrek.website on 14 Mar 04:00 next collapse

Man I just love being undesirable in every country due to my beliefs, lifestyle, or lack of a degree.

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br on 14 Mar 04:02 next collapse

Explain the “beliefs” so I can judge you.

SARGE@startrek.website on 14 Mar 17:48 collapse

I believe that my gay neighbors should be able to grow weed in their yard and if you diss our trans homies, we might get violent before we bother asking nicely for you to leave, and if you refuse then the guns are coming out. Armed minorities are harder to oppress.

Judge away.

driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br on 14 Mar 17:58 collapse

Oh I see, a teenager, at least you have all the time of the world to get a degree.

SARGE@startrek.website on 14 Mar 19:18 collapse

You’re off by a few decades, but sure.

Agrivar@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 00:10 collapse

You might be chronologically old AF, but you talk like an edgy teenager.

SARGE@startrek.website on 15 Mar 01:35 collapse

Yet only one of us seems to spend a lot of time on lemmy shitting on others for no reason. Weird.

Have a nice day.

nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz on 14 Mar 04:15 next collapse

All of these things can change

TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz on 14 Mar 14:50 collapse

Very few people can operate a transporter, though.

SARGE@startrek.website on 14 Mar 17:49 collapse

You make a good point, I’ll have to see if there are any practical applications in Europe or Canada.

hash@slrpnk.net on 14 Mar 04:09 next collapse

Their schools were already orders of magnitude cheaper. Get ready for extreme brain drain!

ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip on 14 Mar 05:16 next collapse

I’m hoping to get into a pretty well regarded game dev school in Sweden that is $25k USD for the entire degree. Comparing it with anything similar in the US is mind boggling. Schools here are impossibly expensive

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:32 next collapse

That’s still pricey imo

SyntaxError@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 06:26 collapse

University in Sweden is free for swedish citizens, it used to be free for foreign students as well, but since some years ago the universities are allowed to put fees on foreign students. Dont remember the exact details of how it works. Edit: looked it up, still free for people from EU, EES and Switzerland, and people living in Sweden with a resident permit.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 06:46 next collapse

Oh nice! Get yourself a permit!

ryedaft@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 06:57 next collapse

Yeah, if it’s free for your citizens it has to be free for all EU citizens. Getting in can be tricky though.

mumblerfish@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 07:22 collapse

I was around when they introduced it. They basically killed some programs because it went from a few students to none. Because why would you pay for a Swedish uni noone heard of instead of a bit more for a famous uni. It was a stupid policy.

LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 10:08 collapse

To be fair, I see the argument. It is tax-paid, so you want to reserve it for people who are likely to pay future taxes.

mumblerfish@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 12:28 collapse

Why are rich expats more likely to pay taxes in sweden in the future than expats who could not afford tuition?

LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 19:35 collapse

They are not, which is why they charge them upfront. But people with a residence permit or citizenship are much more likely to stay long-term.

I have no strong opinion whether that is the right choice, tbh. I see it at my Uni, a lot of foreign students study here and the majority then leaves the country again. Which is fair, but the idea of tax-funded education is, well, it’s tax-funded, so I am more or less directly paying for their education. Is that good/bad/worth it or not? I’m not sure.

Also, I feel like the majority of foreign students that come here just for a degree are already from wealthy backgrounds. I know I’m on dangerous “feelings, not facts” territory, but I get a lot of “rich kid who didn’t get into a good uni in their home country” vibes. The poorer foreign students are usually super smart and got in via a scholarship or the likes.

SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 07:57 collapse

Future games, innit? The one the ceo of the company that made It Takes Two finished?

It’s mind boggling to me that this school exists. I mean they have the achievements of the alumni to schow, so good for them.

But still it’s a paid school for game dev, famous for crunch, and worse salary than “normal” dev. So not only will you work more, and earn less, you also have to pay for your studies, since standard CS is free.

Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 08:06 next collapse

I didn’t look at the curriculum of the game dev school but from my personal experience studying CS I would say that what you learn there isn’t really comparable to CS besides the programming part

JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 10:18 collapse

Agreed, and I kind of wish CS and game dev weren’t considered so similar. They both program, sure, and those skills can be moved.

Go ask a Microsoft dev to explain game theory, hotkey availability, and UX. Then, ask a game dev the same questions. You’ll get wildly different answers because they wildly different goals

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 12:05 next collapse

Having over a 25 year career done development in all kinds of areas including gamedev, there is quite a big difference in way of thinking and doing stuff between anything with user interaction and server-side stuff, and gamedev specifically also differs a lot from the rest of areas of user-facing software because it’s very performance oriented, way closer to the bare metal than the rest (in smartphone apps you’re working on top of libraries on top of libraries on top of libraries, in gamedev you make GPU shaders in a variant of C which very tightly tied to the specifics of how that hardware works), and each game is pretty much a unique user interface in programming terms (i.e. there much less reusability, especially of assets, than in say web or smartapp development).

(I mean, in server-side stuff you’re for example worrying about transactional integrity during database access, system design for balanced distributed handling of requests or networked access to APIs exposed via REST interfaces, whilst in in gamedev you’re for example doing vector maths to project a user click on the screen onto a game plane in the 3D universe, moving the bones in 3D models to animate them and writting shaders to produce effects like a 3D model being consumed from the point of impact when hit by a shot.

Mind you, for me personally all of them are cool challenges (which is probably why I’m one of those unusal developers who is generic to the point of sillyness) but they’re definitelly very different, even in the kinds of architectural approaches used for the software being developed.

JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 12:09 collapse

And that’s not even to mention security. I’m in a CS course right now, and sure we talk about cyber security and social networking and blah blah blah.

Go ask a game dev about their security patches and you’ll see the WORLD of difference in the two spaces

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 12:18 collapse

Oh, man, yes.

I’ve spent more of my career doing server-side stuff than other areas and it’s like night and day when it comes to IT security between server-side dev and gamedev, probably because server-side is networked and generally is done for much more important targets (valuable data and even actual financial assets of big companies, rather than an individual’s game state or machine) so there a big expectation that the best external attackers (and a veritable army of script kiddies) will be hammering at anything a server-side component exposes via a network interface, trying to hack it.

Mind you, I still bitched and moaned at the lack of IT Security awareness of some of my colleagues when I was doing server side stuff :)

JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 12:26 collapse

And that’s exactly the thing, the threat model is so different. In gamedev, they’re thinking about those networking issues for sure but man oh man are they WAY more worried about RCE in those drivers you mentioned earlier.

Why? For the same reason Emacs is a text editor, internet browser, and Spotify client. For the same reason that “will it run doom” is even a question. Because their game got hacked before they even opened the first text file to make the game

socsa@piefed.social on 14 Mar 12:27 collapse

This is why the tradeification of engineering should be viewed with skepticism. An engineering degree should give you a strong technical background in computing, physics, math, and software without over-specializing. You are meant to learn specific tradecraft on the job.

ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip on 14 Mar 17:31 collapse

I’m a little confused here, I’m not EU/Swedish citizen wouldn’t any of my studies require me to pay? I care about money very little which is part of why I’ve been feeling so soul sucked at my current job. I’ve only been here for money for a bit now and I hate it. In a lot of ways I’d rather just be poor. I was happier when I was working for like 1/5 what I make now but felt excited about what I did

I love games and game making. I’ve been skirting around the industry for over 15 years at this point and haven’t been able to crack in yet. Future Games, or any of the schools I’ve applied to, is an opportunity to be on a visa for nearly the entire trump term and hopefully network enough to land a job after school. So I’m not just paying for education I’m paying for my own safety

The crunch is for real but also the job culture in the US is batshit. My first job out of college I ended up pulling 16 hour days 7 days/week. Everywhere here it is expected you’re going to do more work than you’re paid for or you risk getting fired. Crunch time in Sweden sounds like normal time in the US tbh

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 05:22 next collapse

Haven’t European schools been cheaper since like the 80s tho?

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:32 collapse

Yep

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 05:39 collapse

So I would think the brain drain would have happened a long time ago, like back in the 90s. Sadly, most of us Americans will just keep paying more and more for stuff rather than give any of it up.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:55 next collapse

The message “america is best” used to be shouted everywhere they had a chance. It might be bullshit, but say it enough and it sticks.

Then again, the scars that the nazi’s left behind are still visible. With how recent that was back in the 90’s I wouldn’t blame people for being careful. Moving countries isn’t a thing most people do every few decades.

Letstakealook@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 09:17 next collapse

It isn’t an active choice. Moving to Europe is not an option for most Americans.

Herr_S_aus_H@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 10:06 collapse

Is there a reason for it or is this just internalised american exceptionalism?

Letstakealook@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 10:09 collapse

Edit: There was a misunderstanding, and I was rude here.

Herr_S_aus_H@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 10:28 collapse

Ok. I must have failed to formulate my question properly. I’m sorry for that. Let me try again. I know moving is expansive, takes much of time and is really exhausting. But the post talks about scientists. The little interaction I had with scientists have led me to the believe, that it is much more easy for scientists to move even across nations and even across continents. You said moving is no option for americans. Why is that?

Letstakealook@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 10:35 collapse

I understand what you meant now, apologies. I thought it was a dig.

The person I was responding to said “most Americans,” and I was responding to that statement. It is difficult for most Americans to immigrate anywhere, unless they have skills/knowledge that the country they are attempting to move to is having trouble filling or independent wealth. Perhaps soon, we’ll be able to claim refugee status or political asylum, but I certainly hope it doesn’t get there.

socsa@piefed.social on 14 Mar 12:31 collapse

It is quite hard to even get accepted to a foreign undergrad program out of high school. Grad school is a bit easier but it's still difficult and traditionally there is just enormous amounts of money in the US academic system so going abroad really needs to be something you prioritize. Also many US grad students don't pay tuition for PhD track programs. You get an assistantship with a stipend.

TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz on 14 Mar 14:41 collapse

You get paid for doing a PhD in Europe, too. Also, teams tend to be very international, sometimes majority or even exclusively so.
So if students from third-world countries can come over regularly with few issues to live and work here, I wonder what’s holding back Americans.

tauonite@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 09:35 collapse

Completely free. Kind of. It’s like less than €200 a year to study at a university in Finland.

kaarne@leminal.space on 14 Mar 09:57 collapse

This is true only for students from the EU/ETA area: for students from outside it is a minimum of 1500€/year to study in a school of higher education.

jol@discuss.tchncs.de on 14 Mar 11:48 next collapse

Which is still cheap for many Americans.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 13:24 next collapse

So the cost of like one class in the US.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:53 collapse

better than the states, even at a cheap states its still thousands of USD per semester, and not a whole year, plus COL.

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 05:20 next collapse

Americans: Ok sure, but SoCiAlIsM!

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:31 collapse

Oh no, careful, you might just get affordable healthcare!

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 05:37 collapse

I want healthcare to be for everybody, not just to be more affordable for the ones who can afford it.

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:50 collapse

That’s how it is! The specifics differ a bit country to country though.

For example, where I am everyone is legally required to have health insurance and the government makes sure it is decent. Those who can’t afford it are given money from the government to pay for their health insurance.

Sorry for giving you the wrong impression.

Obi@sopuli.xyz on 14 Mar 06:48 collapse

Netherlands?

pineapplelover@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 05:28 next collapse

Say less, I’m omw

Boomkop3@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 05:34 next collapse

Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn’t want people to leave?

Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 07:55 collapse

Of course he doesn’t want people to leave, how can he be king if all his serfs leave?

Kusimulkku@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 09:11 next collapse

TORILLE

Ravi@feddit.org on 14 Mar 09:18 next collapse

Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 09:55 collapse

I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it’s threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the “kill all Muslims” button as hard as they can.

Starting with “Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism” as the justification.

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 11:28 next collapse

I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go “oh shit”, and try to avoid it

jol@discuss.tchncs.de on 14 Mar 11:47 next collapse

Half the country is fighting to run towards the trainwreck…

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 11:54 next collapse

The reaction to Brexit in the rest of the EU - where almost from one month to the next people’s support for the idea of leaving the EU crashed to less than half as much as shown in various polls at the time - gives me hope that what Trump is doing in America is actually crushing the chances of his ideology in the rest of the World.

This seems to already be happenning in Canada (we will know for sure once the result of their upcoming elections is out).

In summary, I think there is good reason to hope that the result in the rest of the World of the Fascist Far-Right taking over a high-profile country like the US will be either the crushing of the Far-Right or it very explicitly distancing itself from the kind of ideology espoused by Trump - in other words, that America, just like Britan with Brexit, is really and unwittingly taking one for the rest of us.

cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social on 14 Mar 12:26 collapse

As a pretty terrified American, I actually take some comfort in this idea. Please learn from us. I just hope if things get that far here, that the rest of you will have some empathy for those of us who did not want this. So many comments from people in other countries are blaming every American for this. Seeing so many of those comments (mostly on Reddit) has been the second scariest part of all of this for me. I’m used to being hated in the abstract for being an American, but to think that if the fascists here get their way people like me have no hope of escape is too much to think about

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today on 14 Mar 13:13 next collapse

Welcome to our world. I remember the hate I had to put up with, just for being Serbian. Finally, someone else understands.

cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social on 14 Mar 18:51 collapse

As a white American, I was just talking about this relatively new experience to me, and not in any way meaning to co-opt or undermine other people’s objectively worse experiences, by the way. Just wanted to throw that out there.

At the same time, while we might disparage Russia or China, to me that’s always meant the government, not literally the people. I hate that I probably took for granted that at least most other people thought the same way I did.

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today on 14 Mar 22:29 collapse

Too many people often just handwave that civilians should die rebelling against their government if it is bad. It is never that simple, it is not as simple as they voted bad and didn’t rebel, so we have an excuse to exterminate them all.

We should do the same as was done with Germany: trial those most responsible in Nuremberg, rehabilitate the rest. Germany turned out to be a wonderful, anti-nazi country, with hard workers that produced high-quality products. Imagine if they where just nuked instead?

cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social on 15 Mar 12:39 next collapse

Germany is a really interesting example. When I’m trying to decide if I’m overreacting about what’s happening now, I often tell myself a lot of Germans probably said the same thing in the 1930s. I’ve never assumed all Germans were Nazis, and always knew there was a large number, if not majority, who were victims of their own government. However, I remember my mother (born just after WWII and my grandpa fought in the Pacific) saying she grew up with a negative opinion of Germany.

CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml on 17 Mar 19:22 collapse

Nazis remained in positions of authority across Europe after World War Two. And it is…generous… to call Germany anti-nazi. I think we need more than trials

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 14:47 collapse

If there’s any consolation, I personally support asylum for Americans escaping political persecution for my country, I just hope that our government will act quickly enough for it, and the right not getting in the way

I expect a lot of, especially queer, people trying to escape, and I really hope we get something in place before it’s too late

0ops@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 14:55 next collapse

It’s happened before. A lot of the allies in ww2 were nazi-curious before their country was invaded. They were getting fairly popular in the US especially, holding large rallies and captivating the hearts of several of our captains of industry. I won’t go into the details.

Some states will go down the path of fascism until they pass the point of no return, and the state that existed before is well and truly dead. When they’re done warring against their own minorities they’ll attempt to expand to neighboring states because they need to justify their own existence.

Some states will follow the path of fascism until they see their peers further down the path either trapped in the turmoils of war and genocide, or threatening war and genocide on themselves or their close allies, then they turn around out of fear of the new common enemy. Like a sailor trapped by a sirens call only snapping out of it when the sailor in front of them gets devoured.

darthelmet@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 15:56 collapse

I have less hope for two reasons:

  1. These are still capitalist countries and thus the incentive for fascism still remains even if it gets delayed a bit.

  2. The US is the largest, most dangerous military superpower the world has ever seen and it has shown time and time again that it’s willing to use that might to bully other nations into economic submission. No country is really safe if it decides to start going after them. The US hasn’t always won these wars, but even when it fails like in Vietnam or Korea, it does enough damage on the way out to cause massive destruction and suffering which has long lasting consequences. I seriously doubt the rest of the world is just gonna get to sit this one out and watch America self destruct.

SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 16:43 collapse

For 1., also don’t forget that major labour movements spring up during and after WW2, it’s hard to say how much of a repeat that will be this time around, but the potential is there

And 2., I agree, I am concerned myself, especially with nukes these days

But on the other hand, economy, and reliance on globalized production chains, is so much more central to the core of a nation these days. It’s not possible to just produce everything locally anymore, not like it was during WW2, anyway. everything is too hyper specialized for that now

So there is the potential that, if the US really does something very stupid and gets a complete embargo from the rest of the west, they’re just going to get completely fucked (and so will the rest of the west, but you know). So the amount of damage they end up being able to do might end up being limited

Of course, China would benefit massively from this, as they do actually go heavy on self-sufficiency, and then there’s the risk of Russia exploiting this as well, but the silver lining is that the US simply might collapse before it manages to do some real damage

In the end, I think the future of how the world will look like will be up to China. I really really hope that they end up having a massive democratic movement for the sake of the world, but we’ll see. At least China so far still seems like a rational actor on the world stage, although still ruthless and self-serving, of course

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 11:45 collapse

I would say that the politically widespread “unwavering support” for a nation very overtly because of their dominant ethnicity, including whilst they’re commiting a Genocide along ethnic lines themselves (the kind of thing one would naivelly expect Germans to be especially disgusted at), proved beyond any doubt that Racism in Germany is alive & well all across the political spectrum, from the supposed “left” of the Greens all the way to the far-right.

(AfD really is just the same mindset with the addition of “If it’s good to unwaveringly support them no matter what they do, then it’s also good for us”)

Sadly whilst the symbols were forbidden, the way of thinking about other human beings (of seeing people as members of ethnicities and judging and treating them differently depending on ethnicity) that was the foundation for Nazism never actually died in Germany, they just changed who the ubermenschen and untermenschen are and don’t actually say those words out loud.

cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social on 14 Mar 12:28 collapse

Where is this post-racism country where you live and are you taking applications?

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 12:42 collapse

Ah, the good old sociopath-style argument that because there is Racism everywhere then people shouldn’t complain about the level of Racism in some places approaching that of the Nazis.

It’s the Racist variant of the good old “we’re better than North Korea” argument to defend Capitalist excesses.

cabinet_sanchez@midwest.social on 14 Mar 18:54 collapse

I’m not German and maybe I misread, but I took this as specifically singling out Germany

Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 19:28 collapse

If you go up to my original post, it was in response to somebody talking about German politics in the context of the Israeli Genocide.

As one of only a handful of nations who kept on “unwaveringly supporting” Israel with weapons even as the Genocide became more and more extreme and obvious beyond deniability, Germany definitely needs to be heavily criticized for that support and the underlying view of other human beings that is required for people to say - as Sholz did - “We unwaveringly support the Jewish Nation” (note the ethnicity very explicitly) as justification to keep sending weapons to Israel even after they had already murdered over 40,000 civilians including a list of babies 1 year old or less which was 17 pages long.

This isn’t the “police taking less seriously reports of being assaulted from victims of certain ethnicities than from other ethnicities” level of Racism far too common in many countries, this is the “we’ll keep on sending weapons to people who have murdered thousands of babies because we support the race of the murderers” level of Racism - the level of evil of unfairly treating a minority is a whole different scale from the level of evil of sending weapons to baby mass murderers because you support their race.

Absolutely, the likes of the US and UK, for example, are just as appallingly and disgustingly Racist.

However I myself did not expect this from Germany, both because I had a much much better opinion of Germans (I even lived there for 3 months) and because having in the past done horrible things (Nazism, the Holocaust) exactly because of extreme Racism and spent the time since remembering it and claiming “Never again”, it turned out that the “Never again” of most German politicians was the race-limited version “Never again shall we Germans do this to Jews” rather than the Humanist version of “Never again shall this happen”.

It’s hard for me to convey just how profoundly disappointing I am with Germany in addition to how disgusted I am with it and other nations who kept supporting baby mass murderers with weapons to kill more babies overtly because they support the race of the murderers.

So yeah, I totally agree with

I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped

from the poster I was responding to, because until recently Germany hadn’t displayed anywhere near the levels of Racism required to, because of the race of the murderers, support baby mass murderers with weapons that will be used to murder more babies.

DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 12:08 next collapse

Actual free market at work, as opposed to the shit we have in the U.S.

RedSnt@feddit.dk on 14 Mar 12:15 next collapse

Wouldn’t that be wonderful, so see the greatest brain-drain in human history. Couldn’t happen to nicer people.

socsa@piefed.social on 14 Mar 12:21 next collapse

It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.

Acamon@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 14:52 collapse

Yeah, I good with the message, but that’s one of the most uncomfortable looking photos I’ve seen. Where are they supposed to be looking?

Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 13:39 next collapse

My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.

She’s fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We’re starting to look into options though.

Revan343@lemmy.ca on 14 Mar 13:44 next collapse

Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is

captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 14 Mar 14:59 collapse

The technical terms are very similar. The only issue would be the colloquial terms.

tempest@lemmy.ca on 14 Mar 15:33 next collapse

I mean English is sorta the science lingua franca so I imagine most of the technical words would be lone words if they showed up in a paper first.

Agrivar@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 00:03 collapse

*loan words, as they were loaned to the language in question.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 15 Mar 02:16 collapse

I interpreted it as meaning lone words as in only a few here and there.

Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:20 collapse

You’re too generous 😅

Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 22:33 collapse

We interact with people from numerous Spanish speaking countries as part of an intern program, and the one thing every new group says is how funny each other’s slang sounds to the rest of the group. She might have a rough month or two, but then I think it would be fairly smooth after that.

fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 14:07 next collapse

College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it’s for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.

Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 15:04 next collapse

Ugh, Spain is amazing. I dream of that country.

quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 17:17 collapse

Specially in smaller cities away of the big two.

couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 16:25 collapse

Working in Rota was absolutely frustrating trying to get anything done

Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 22:30 collapse

Very true. If she’s up for the challenge I really want her to do that. I’d love more reasons to go to Spain.

tbs9000@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 23:27 collapse

Healthcare in the US is terrible, but part of that is how much providers can charge. Healthcare providers aren’t able to charge as much in communities where it’s considered a basic human right. If she practices outside the US her earnings will probably not be as high - and thats even considering the insurance healthcare providers need to carry to account for lawsuits.

Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 16 Mar 02:15 collapse

The biggest problem in the US is how the insurance companies insert themselves between the doctor and patient, and tell you what services you’re allowed to receive without even being in the room for the diagnosis.

sgbrain7@lemm.ee on 14 Mar 14:59 next collapse

I wouldn’t mind moving to canada since I’m really close to the border anyway. it would be like nothing happened almost

Bunbury@feddit.nl on 14 Mar 15:35 next collapse

And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.

Snowclone@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 18:14 next collapse

It’s already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We’re already losing.

Bunbury@feddit.nl on 14 Mar 22:45 collapse

All numbers I’ve seen for record applications were for high level research and university level teaching. Maybe the medical doctors mainly moved states? At least I haven’t seen them making headlines about moving to Europe.

Snowclone@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 05:15 collapse

Many are leaving teaching all together, it’s a huge problem that’s going to have far reaching consequences for a lot more than 4 years. While they might not all leave the US, they are no longer teaching or practicing medicine in hostile states, Idaho has been forced to shut down hospitals and medical services.

Here in rural CA we’re also seeing medical access dwindle. A lot of things people don’t realize have changed are very drastic, being older I remember not even needing to think about buying produce and inspection it for bugs or rotting. Now, you have to check, and if you aren’t washing everything before you put it away from the store you are getting bugs. It’s gonna happen reliably, many services and newly built things seem shotty and badly done. We have been running out of competency for some time now, and if you’ve been alive long enough were clearly in decline.

Bunbury@feddit.nl on 15 Mar 05:48 collapse

Sadly a lot if not most of these changes will take generations to reverse. It’s the sad reality of things.

The main good thing I am taking from the news currently is that as far as I can tell the people won’t accept this for very long. Can’t quite yet tell how or what will happen, but I’d be surprised if the current regime are still in power in the same way 1-2 years from now. The protest are amping up at an intense speed, the videos coming out of the few republicans still giving town halls feel like the crowd is a pot about to boil over.

Snowclone@lemmy.world on 17 Mar 06:05 collapse

Yeah, hopefully, but Americans are really bad at fighting back, and easily swayed with very dubious conceits.

Bunbury@feddit.nl on 17 Mar 06:36 collapse

I don’t know. It takes a while to get organized but I have confidence that they’ll get there. At least based on what I’m seeing at the moment. Could obviously still just slowly die down again. Time will tell.

edryd@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 19:30 collapse

It has already been happening for several years now, it’s just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a “negative brain drain” of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.

But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.

The brain drain is here, and won’t be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.

Bunbury@feddit.nl on 14 Mar 22:56 next collapse

Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:30 collapse

its also very hard to get hired as faculty as colleges because of the limited space, alot of people graduaitng in the us with a undergrad thinks thier career path is a PHD, but its too competitive because tenures arnt leaving until thier dead, plus university can be stingy and hiring cheap temporary instructors,. also getting grad degrees are expensive and not easy too. oh yea i also hear about hte lack of wet lab experience before graduating with your undergrad degree, plus the amount of papers people are doing to get noticed by a university on thier CV. when i was in undergrad i was in a talk where the announcer said the professor attending today has to write dozens of research papers just to get hired. and then theres the complaint about quality of said research paper too.

im curious are they moving to other countries because “insurance, pay, politics”?

CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml on 14 Mar 17:08 next collapse

Lmao I’m not moving to Europe

F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 17:31 next collapse

This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 17:38 next collapse

The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 17:57 next collapse

well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….

i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?

parrhesia@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 18:41 next collapse

It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.

xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 20:12 collapse

oklahoma wasn’t great before that, but at least it was OK…

_g_be@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 23:11 collapse

Take this up vote and GO

WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 19:10 collapse

I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.

tbs9000@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 23:22 collapse

It’s worth noting, keeping your citizenship means paying US federal income taxes, regardless of where you live and work.

psud@aussie.zone on 16 Mar 17:25 collapse

Most places have double tax agreements with the US. They’ll be reporting their income to the US, but only paying tax to the US on money earned in the US, from shares for example

Squizzy@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 19:13 collapse

Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:25 collapse

except they need the same experts to maintain nukes, Nukes have a “expiration date”, they want it to mostly become like russia, where all the money goes to oligarches.

Slovene@feddit.nl on 14 Mar 18:02 next collapse

We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!

ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.

fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 18:17 next collapse

Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)

PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!

TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 20:02 next collapse

How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America … which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in “progressive” cities.

Slovene@feddit.nl on 15 Mar 14:41 collapse

Oof, I don’t know about that. It’s very difficult even for regular students from other EU countries to get in. There are so few spots opened that they are very strict with the criteria plus domestic students are preferred.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:18 collapse

i heard its pretty hard because us has standards that are usually above that of most countries, and some countries thier medical programs might not be equal. Also even if you are MD outside of the usa, its very hard to become one in the USA if you try to immigrate here.

aside from UK, and some other european MED schools , theres much more you have to do to apply to become a med student/MD in the usa. you all heard about people trying to go to caribbean med schools only to be met with more requirements in the USA.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:16 collapse

theres a shortages in the us to for prof, because the tenures are not retiring to leave any positions open, so alot of them end up not applying to colleges anymore, also the fact that many schools are abusing just using adjuncts only

Zink@programming.dev on 14 Mar 19:43 next collapse

This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:09 collapse

our 4-year university, actually state is actually suffering from low-enrollment issues, its getting so serious as of recently they have slash faculty and “less important classes”: and the faculties getting canned said it was “birth rates”, i was commenting on the sub, said it was HCOL, and low job prospects.

many state Uni in our area also have big problems too. its likely stemmed from covid, where everyone had a shitty education from classes being online only, cant really learn anything if you cant ask in person questions. although i think covid just unmasked systemic issues going before the pandemic. ive seen disasstisfied reviews on yelp going back 2016. i was curious after graduation if any universities had yelp reviews they all did.

TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works on 14 Mar 20:05 next collapse

This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like… I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I’m ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

AidsKitty@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 22:36 next collapse

Yes move to Europe with stagnant economies and 60% tax rates. There are evident reasons why the EU isnt competitive, it’s not a secret.

LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 22:45 next collapse

And long ass vacations. I’m in.

AidsKitty@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 23:09 collapse

Long ass vacays is true, I’ll give you that one.

Randelung@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 22:58 next collapse

www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/…/GDP_per_capita.html

I’d say we do pretty well and STILL have affordable healthcare. But I’m sure potholes and a few extra billionaires are worth the tradeoff.

ChillPenguin@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 23:20 next collapse

America is a shithole that treats their workers like shit overall. I would love to be able to move to Europe.

AidsKitty@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 00:21 next collapse

There is great opportunity in America. People all over the world still want to come here for a chance to compete. Bow down before the great Eagle, cawcaw!! Sure we have our problems but I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. The border to leave stays open btw.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:03 collapse

the income is “reasonablly” decent if you reach the PHD/MD level(more true for MD than for PHD though) but for ms AND BS, its pretty low. theres also the problem with getting lab experience too.

fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Mar 23:44 next collapse

I live better and more cheaply here than I did in the US, to each their own.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:58 collapse

doesnt really matter if USA has HCOL, extremely volatile politics, plus significant anti-science and intellectualism going on. alot of successful scientists tend to immigrate wealthy conservative countries like parts of india, and M.E, thats why there are ton of successful scientists that are well off to begin with.

when they made columbia or another university MED SCHOOL free for a while, they saw disadvantaged students were less likely to get in admissions than their richer white counterparts.

mondomon@lemmy.world on 14 Mar 23:03 next collapse

I too enjoy the freedom to think my thoughts!

Lumbardo@reddthat.com on 14 Mar 23:12 next collapse

It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.

sroos@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 05:25 next collapse

I’m sure they’re not.
I’m also pretty sure that they’re working a lot better now than they were before…

MITM0@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 05:44 collapse

Yeah with money

Lumbardo@reddthat.com on 15 Mar 15:54 collapse

Yes. People conducting cutting-edge research should receive suitable compensation. Don’t see a problem with that.

MITM0@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 16:54 next collapse

& then that research gets gatekept by said country, do you agree to that

Lumbardo@reddthat.com on 15 Mar 16:56 next collapse

I wasn’t aware that publishing peer-reviewed work for anybody to read was “gatekeeping”.

MITM0@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 18:56 next collapse

I said countries (as in governments & corporations)

Lumbardo@reddthat.com on 15 Mar 19:04 collapse

Research related to National Defense are usually kept confidential, and corporations have an incentive to not share there research to maintain competitive with their competitors. Neither of these seem out of the ordinary regardless of where you are on the globe.

Even still. The US government funds various institutions that share their research publicly, so I am not sure where you are really going with this.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:55 collapse

thats only 1 part of the issue, its a minor but important part.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:54 collapse

its gatekeeped in alot of ways, its complex issue stemming back to undergrad. not only because of recent anti-science, and anti-dei initiatives, which adds to the problem.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:54 collapse

yea thats the only reason, just higher salary only if it matches the HCOL in there area, otherwise they wouldnt have come here.

Etterra@discuss.online on 15 Mar 00:19 next collapse

Yeah brain drain isn’t as cool when it happens here, is it?

sharetload@aussie.zone on 15 Mar 06:35 next collapse

Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)

fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 11:47 next collapse

You guys are gutting funding, unfortunately.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:33 collapse

this is just latest problem and is only a symptom of a larger set of issues going back to your 1st degree.

Ledericas@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:57 collapse

they only want scientists(phds) in many countries outside of us(i know there are alot there are struggling after just thier initial undergrad and even thier masters)(struggling as in the job prospects for biotech is quite a bit poor for those who are not eligible for grad school, or need experience)

Randomgal@lemmy.ca on 15 Mar 06:42 next collapse

Emotional, fucking, damage.

Comment105@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 19:59 collapse

Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.

Elkot@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 16:18 next collapse

Loadsa Yanks in Edinburgh

fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 15 Mar 16:20 collapse

Aberdeen and Glasgow too tbh.

boonhet@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 19:11 next collapse

Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol

* Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.

Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz on 15 Mar 19:31 next collapse

Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.

mineralfellow@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 00:12 collapse

I love Tartu, but last I heard, the pay and funding sucked. How is it now?

boonhet@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 06:26 collapse

Apparently it’s only good if you get good grants and scheme around with the money.

According to this professors and above make pretty good money for Tartu cost of living, assuming you’re not trying to support an entire family on a single salary.

Really, it’s a place you could move to for the vibes, but it won’t be the best place to make money.

Formfiller@lemmy.world on 15 Mar 23:32 next collapse

I’m in.

sfu@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:49 next collapse

I don’t get it. The US didn’t go and fire a bunch of women professors, we still have many women professors. The comment in the image makes no sense to me, its jumping.

blind3rdeye@lemm.ee on 15 Mar 23:54 next collapse

Do you honestly not get it, or are you just trying to push back against a message you don’t like?

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:00 next collapse

I don’t get it. The US has many women professors, not just associate and assistant professors. The comment implies that Finland is saying the US is no longer having women as professors. What am I missing?

tomkatt@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 00:36 next collapse

What am I missing?

You’re missing the fact that currently in many states in the US, a Tesla has more civil rights than a woman, and it’s bullshit.

Also ignoring the removal of inclusion programs, and a number of other things wrong with the US in recent past that you would almost certainly be aware of unless you’re living in a cave in the wilderness with no internet connection. Which I doubt, since you’re posting here.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:47 collapse

I’m pretty sure there is not one single professor that is a Tesla, so I don’t know what that comment was about.

What civil right does a woman not have? Honest question.

tomkatt@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 01:17 collapse

equalitynow.org/…/the-united-states-is-still-viol…

stacker.com/…/how-womens-rights-us-have-been-erod…

nbcnews.com/…/trump-reversing-justice-departments…

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:31 collapse

So, not one of those articles give me any examples of a civil right that a woman doesn’t have that a man has. As far as civil rights that women do not have (or are being taken away), all three articles only speak of abortions. Men already can’t have abortions.

So what civil right does a women not have, that a man does? Again, honest question.

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:39 next collapse

The right over his own body. Name me one law that restricts mens bodily autonomy. I’ll wait.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:43 collapse

I’m not going to debate abortion. Regardless of either sides position, abortion is a different topic, because it’s not just about the woman’s body, it’s also about the baby’s body.

tomkatt@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 01:58 next collapse

Not going to be playing “honest question” with you, since it’s obviously not honest, and you’re not open to changing your viewpoint. No, sometimes it’s about critical care in life threatening situations, often involving pregnancies that cannot be brought to term anyway. Women are literally dying from preventable issues due to pregnancy complications. And that’s not even getting into the concept of women’s care for horrible situations like rape.

If you can’t see the issue here, you’re part of the problem. I knew that already, but thanks for confirming.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 04:18 collapse

I’m not playing anything. Just asked an honest question, hoped for an honest answer. I guess no one has an answer though.

tomkatt@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 05:23 collapse

Enjoy the block list.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 05:37 collapse

Why, because you can’t provide an answer to my simple question?

beejboytyson@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 02:07 next collapse

There we go. Be a man, not a pussy. Just say what you just said w/o the pageantry. God cons are such cowards.

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 02:18 collapse

I’m not here to debate it either. There’s no debate. You’re not pro life. You’re just anti women and use it as a shield for your bigotry.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 04:20 collapse

So you can’t give me one civil right that a man has, that a woman does not. Got it.

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 04:55 collapse

You should probably work on your reading comprehension. It’s probably why people keep calling you an idiot and you don’t even know why. Maybe read some kids books and then take a quiz on what happened in the story. It will help you a lot. It’s ok, some kids fall behind in school. You don’t have to keep being this stupid as an adult though. You can still work on it at any age. Good luck.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 05:06 collapse

At this point, I guess it’s hopeless. I’m not going to receive an answer to my very simple question. Instead, I’m just going to be called an idiot by people who can’t back up their claim.

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 05:54 collapse

No. You’re just an idiot because I already answered your question. Maybe start with “Green eggs and Ham” or some other kids book and work your way up to Harry Potter or something. Good luck mate!

MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml on 16 Mar 16:29 collapse

As far as civil rights that women do not have (or are being taken away), all three articles only speak of abortions. Men already can’t have abortions.

You really thought you were cooking here, didn’t you?

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 20:27 collapse

Not bad eh? j/k

As I said earlier, the abortion issue does not count, because it does not only involve the women, but also the baby. Therefore, regardless of anyone’s opinion on the subject, it is a completely different issue.

blind3rdeye@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:25 collapse

Here is a recent Lemmy post highlighting some of the issues that women commonly face in US universities. It’s largely about inclusivivity. Lots of good progress has been made in recent times to fix problems of that type, but there is still some way to go.

Unfortunately, the new US president is strongly against that kind of progress. He has gone out of his way to roll back and block anything that might look like an inclusivity boosting program. Quite clearly, the USA is now moving backwards in these issues.

So that’s what the comment in the post is about. Note that we’re just reading some random guy’s off-hand comment about an advertisement. So it isn’t an in-depth analysis. It’s a highly simplified message. But I hope you can at least see what we’re talking about.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:40 collapse

I get the issues that some women get flack from others for being a woman in particular fields. But the US does have many women professors. The comment above the ad insinuates that the US doesn’t, and that the University of Finland is trying to capitalize on that. I still don’t get it.

Kage520@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 01:53 collapse

I think it’s about where you want to put your time in for a career. Not sure how professors are doing right now, but with the department of education budget being slashed, many are seeing the writing on the wall for the future of education here in America.

Highlighting that they are a country that still values inclusive education, and emphasizing their tenure stuff, shows that their country wants and needs you, and intends to value you long term, vs America trying to show the opposite.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 04:23 collapse

That, I think is a better explanation than the comment in the image.

[deleted] on 16 Mar 00:38 next collapse

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Ledericas@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:38 collapse

sounds likes he baiting people.

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:40 collapse

I hope so but some people are really this stupid too.

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:37 collapse

If all the professors had left already who would they be advertising to? Don’t hurt your brain thinking too much about that.

sfu@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:46 collapse

My brain is starting to hurt.

xye@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 00:36 next collapse

Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.

And, if you’re still not convinced, think about this. This ad is specifically for Finland. That’s a country that just joined NATO because it rightfully fears Russian aggression. But now NATO isn’t a reliable alliance, and Europe will be scrambling to create its own defensive pact. Finland is one of the most immediately vulnerable in this gap however - so, if you move there and Russia comes knocking, when does the running stop? Do you now stay in Finland or do you just keep running?

mlg@lemmy.world on 16 Mar 00:47 next collapse

The US University experience

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eecb2f0e-bb31-474f-8bfd-cdc9902ce096.webp">

Tungsten5@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:18 next collapse

Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes

LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee on 16 Mar 01:35 collapse

Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.

sudoer777@lemmy.ml on 16 Mar 02:01 collapse

I have a friend here in the US who is on a visa and is planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere