latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 09:03
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“Ok, so here’s the theme for this one: you’re in the 1890s and you’ve just seen your first lightbulb. All you know is it runs on electricity instead of oil, and that some fucking idiot caught some electricity in a jar during a lightning storm. Go!”
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 10:10
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In 1890 they had telegraph lines between continents for about 40 years.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 11:43
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“Ey, look! We gotta publish this book by the end of the week and the thermodynamics guy already wasted so much time that we’re behind schedule! Pretend those people were morons, alright?! Now, c’mon, get to writing, you’re on preface duty after that!”
1890 would also be about 30 years after the invention of the telephone and 2 years after the invention of the strowger switch (first automated telephone switch)
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 09:06
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When was this written? Also, it’s not entirely untrue to say that we know what electromagnetic force does, but not what causes it. They say it’s a ‘fundamental force’, which is basically way of saying we can’t further reduce it to explain in terms of other stuff. We don’t know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are - we can only describe their effects on the world with maths (‘what they do’)
Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn’t get a pass.
We don’t know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are
I’d argue that for fundamental forces, “what they are” and “what they do” is the same, by definition.
And in any case, mains supply in your home is not just electromagnetic waves vibing around, it’s electrons engineered to move through wires in very specific ways, transferring power from a moving magnet or (increasingly) a photon falling on a semiconductor junction, to move another magnet, heat up some metal, or (increasingly) bounce around some electrons between some semiconductor junctions and then emit photons from other semiconductors junctions.
Finally, most of the text is bullshit even if you don’t think we know what fundamental forces “are”:
No one has ever felt it
You can easily feel electric discharge. Just rub your hair on some wool.
No one has ever heard it
Just be around a thunderstorm. Thunder is the sound of an electric discharge.
We cannot even say where electricity comes from
You can see where the energy that moved the electrons in your wires came from: app.electricitymaps.com
It was written by a complete and utter buffoon, and it can’t be redeemed with any amount of handwaving or philosophizing over what it means to “know” or what things “are”. Either that or it’s satire (which might well be the case).
Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 10:08
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I think it might be real:
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 10:13
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Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn’t get a pass.
It’s even worse than that. Electric lighting predates the photo camera by several decades
bigfondue@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 10:22
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Faraday’s law and Lenz’s law were discovered in the 1830s
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 13:22
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The first arclamp is from the 1800-1810s. They weren’t exactly selling them in stores by then, but they had been invented.
I’d argue we didn’t fully understand the theory of electricity until we understood the atomic structures of metals and semiconductors, and that was properly developed in the early 20th century.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 13:21
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You could place “understanding” at many points in history, and several in the future:
Building an arclamp powered by a portable generator is damned impressive.
Sending a message via electromagnetic waves shows very impressive understanding of electricity too.
Having a small electromagnetic particle accelerator in your house to show moving pictures is pretty damned amazing.
Using electricity and basically sand to do maths is insanely impressive.
On the other hand, you might argue we don’t understand electricity because we don’t have a unified field theory.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 12:22
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I totally agree that the rest of it is nonsense, I was just commenting on the what it is/what it does bit
Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 10:03
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I think you’re on the right track. It’s like they heard “you can’t hold and observe an electron” and just really ran with that but missed all the actual nuance behind it. Still baffling why they would print this, seeming to point to on something like only god knows how electricity works while there’s a person using a very clearly engineered device and electric socket.
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 10:35
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This is the basis for their entire “understanding” of the world. It’s how they thank god when a doctor heals them. It’s how they can say that something produced by the scientific process (vaccines) are bad, but then enjoy so many of the benefits of the exact same process (pain meds). “God did it” is the ultimate willful ignorance.
EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 10:07
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It was apparently first printed in 1976 according to this page I found discussing it.
I love how the book says that no one has observed electricity, yet it has a picture of a lightning bolt on the cover 🤦
EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 13:27
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“That’s not you observing electricity, that’s just seeing something electricity does heathen.”
Those guys probably.
Their argument seems to be that since you can’t actually see it, as in you can’t pump electricity into a clear pipe and see flowing through the pipe like water. That “science” must just be lying to you.
zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 14:09
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You can’t see water either, only its effects on light that goes to your eyes
EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 14:51
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Oh don’t worry. They don’t understand how eyes work either.
But you can see it though. You can see it arc right?
EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 14:47
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What they’re saying best I can decipher is that seeing that bolt of lightning or that arc from a wire isn’t you setting the “electricity” itself. It’s you seeing something that it’s doing. Like the arc is a shadow puppet and “electricity” as they define it is the hand casting the shadow.
What they essentially want is for you to be able to take a picture of a lightning bolt and zoom in to see the individual electrons moving through the air. Fundamentally entirely misunderstanding how science says electricity works.
First of all, there are no “inductive fields”. There are electric and magnetic fields and what you can feel or sometimes hear are the electric fields.
Edit: I don’t understand all the downvotes, but whatever. Specifically what you can hear near high voltage power lines sometimes is partial discharge which is caused by high electric field strengths.
Madison420@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 11:36
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Electromagnetic induction is what you’re feeling and it is indeed creating an inductive field.
Electromagnetic fields induce electric fields, so you’re saying these inductive fields that you can feel are electric fields or do you feel the magnetic field of the induced currents?
An induced magnetic field is how you feel electricity around high voltage. What even is your argument here because what you’re saying in large part makes no sense.
My argument is that you can’t feel magnetic fields. What is yours, because all you write is utter nonsense. Electric fields are induced, not magnetic fields, it’s called Faraday’s law of induction, inductive field is not a technical term. You get a magnetic field from an induced current which is caused by the electric field in a conductor.
When PD, arcing or sparking occurs, electromagnetic waves propagate away from the fault site in all directions which contact the transformer tank and travel to earth (ground cable) where the HFCT is located to capture any EMI or EMP within the transformer, breaker, PT, CT, HV Cable, MCSG, LTC, LA, generator, large hv motors, etc.
Yes, EM-Waves consist of an Electric and an orthogonal Magnetic field, these are linked, one can’t exist without the other, otherwise you wouldn’t get a wave. Partial discharge which is a form of corona discharge is caused by Electric fields.
You’re citing random parts of a wikipedia article that talks about an effect caused by an electric field and claim that it’s caused by a magnetic field. You’re an unscientific troll.
And you’re a tedious know-it-all. So again answer my question have I said anything untrue? No, I phrased something in a way you don’t agree with because it’s atypical but not inaccurate.
Grow up or be more entertaining at the very least.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml
on 29 Jul 12:56
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Ah but your nerves rely on electricity so actually you only feel electricity, checkmate athiests
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Jul 13:08
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You only felt what electricity did to you, not what electricity feels, it probably feels like Rogue from Xmen where when it touches someone it hurts them so it will not be able to experience love so its sad and angry
Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone
on 29 Jul 12:06
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MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 12:01
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I may be an outlier here, but I’ve experienced mild electric shock from touching a random bare cable sticking out of a wall, and I found it weirdly pleasant. Refreshing, almost.
Fellow electrician here, I’m convinced that electricity is magic. I’ve only been in electric for 2 years or so, but I’ll be damned if I know how that shit works. The copper touches together and that equals light, or motors spinning, or whatever have you. How? Idk, smarter people figured that out, I’m just here to make sure the damned drywallers don’t cover up our magic copper
Look up “potential difference” and that should make everything make a little more sense.
Basically, the voltage component of electricity wants to flow where the potential is less than itself. In a 120v circuit, the neutral is bonded to ground at the main for a reference of 0v, and you hot leg will find the path of least resistance to that 0v (through the devices we put in line of that circuit, be it lights, motors, etc). The current, or load, in amps, is the work being done by those devices in conjunction with the designed resistance.
Think of a simple incandescent light bulb. The filament has a certain level of resistance that’s designed to sustain a glow when power is applied to it. The 120v potential, trying to reach 0v ground, passes through that filament (the load), making it glow (the current draw is the amount of amps necessary to achieve its full brightness). A motor is similar; power passes through the windings, generating a magnetic field that react with magnets and spin the motor.
Basically, your voltage drives the power through its path to ground, and current is drawn by work being done. V multiplied by A is Watts (kW), or power consumed.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 10:10
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A textbook would lose most of its credibility in my opinion with a title like “____ 4 ____”.
The fact that it contains such wonderful takes on electricity is just icing on the cake.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 10:40
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The title is “Science 4 for”, so it’s the fourth in the series.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 18:28
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Ah! I stand corrected on the title. Thank you.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 10:20
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There are no concepts we’ve ever seen, we only see their effects.
The thing is that back in Carboniferous, there were the first trees but no decomposers for that so the process still exists but there are other processes that make it much more unlikely
One of my favorite insane conspiracy theories is that petroleum is constantly produced and is a renewable resource but that fact is hidden from us because it would mean “they” wouldn’t be able to impose carbon taxes and create more profit from other energy sources.
I suppose it isn’t completly a lie. It just takes 100 million years under some pretty specific circumstances, but there’s likely places where it’s currently being produced naturally right now…
The theory is that there is biotic petroleum(the oil we know) formed from biomass from millions of years ago and there is abiotic petroleum that constantly forming from carbon sources deep in the Earth.
Depending on what degree of delusion, they either believe that there is more petroleum being produced than we use or there is less being produced than we need and we need to offset the deficit with other forms of energy.
As you can imagine, the believers in limitless abiotic petroleum tend to have some overlap with young Earth creationists and flat-earthers.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
on 29 Jul 13:16
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Well technically its still electricity created by the sun. Plants absorbed Carbon dioxide, turned it into carbon with the power of the sun, died and got buried deep below.
varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 10:39
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Stupidity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it. We can see and hear and feel only what stupidity does. We know it makes people say strange things, make poor decisions, and ignore obvious facts. But we cannot say what stupidity is like.
We cannot even say where stupidity comes from. Some say it might stem from ignorance or misinformation. Others think that social influences or emotional bias produce some of it. All everyone knows is that stupidity seems to be everywhere and that there are many ways for it to surface.
artifex@piefed.social
on 29 Jul 12:52
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I may have to make this my bio.
systemglitch@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 12:55
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psycho_driver@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 11:19
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Well, from someone who studied electrical theory in a ‘normal’ university, the author isn’t completely off base in that we know what electricity is but not why electricity is.
science doesn’t determine why, it determines how to the best of our abilities. why implies purpose and/or intent, which isn’t something science measures.
Oh we do measure why’s, that’s the point of social sciences. You just have to accept that purpose and intent don’t exist in a vacuum and are the result of human perception and expression then study it as such. As a human phenomenon. From philosophy to psychology, there’s a vast body of analysis on the why of many things. Cultural artifacts for example are the equivalent of batteries, where meaning is concentrated, captured and can be measured, studied and analysed.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 13:25
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With Griffith it stops being a mystery… It goes back to one with Jackson.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca
on 29 Jul 11:25
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It’s been revised since this edition. I was homeschooled with the “for Christian Schools” textbooks (and was sent to college at the University that produced them) I was just young enough to get the newer editions as they were being rewritten, my cousins who were 4 grades ahead of me weren’t as lucky and had the version shown in the picture. The versions I had were slightly better, they at least didn’t have this particular nonsense in them. But they still all taught a very warped view of science, and I was in my mid-twenties before I stopped believing in Creationism. The last ~10 years since then has taken both a lot of work to learn about reality, but has also been quite a lot of fun. Science is really cool if you aren’t stopping all the time to try to fit God in somehow.
jaded_genie@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 11:34
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Are they dense?? Electricity comes from the power outlet. Everyone knows that
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 14:37
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Of course. That’s why god created power outlets. So mommy can plug in the electric mixer, to make you chocolate chip cookies
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 11:52
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I know this screeshot is as old as the internet because of that toilet. Still embarassing.
In creaciontist Schoolbooks Earth is still 6000 Years old, there is nothing which has changed. For creacionists, all answer is in the Bible, not in science facts, as in an interview “The human made globalwarming is a lie, the humans can’t change the creacion of God”, creacionism in action. Trump is one of these.
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 13:06
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Creationism is pretty much rooted in religious fundamentalism, ofc it requires an act of absolute faith against clear evidences.
Faith based learning is its defining feature.
That is the problem of religion, they confuse faith with knowledge. Believing in something is always personal and never can be promoted or even imposed as truth, this is why religion is so harmfull, not the believes or faith of individuals. Religion only creates ignorants and hypocrits.
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 13:33
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Entshitification is impossible to completely avoid, even here, when so much of the internet’s content is recycled or reposted from the most influential sites
It isn’t certainly old, but creationism is still used in US schools, with not better content. I remember a US delegation not so many years ago, wanting creationism as an alternative teaching in European schools and their anger when they were sent to comb the desert.
Even in religious schools the religion is separated from academic teaching. This is not the case in the US, where creationism and also scientology are taught as themes equivalent to real science, even in universities.
muhyb@programming.dev
on 29 Jul 12:46
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Eh, it’s ok. There was even a Diogenes’ Square post recently, which is centuries old meme. Imagine how many reposts that one saw.
People who were not homeschooled in a christian fundamentalist household in the last 30 years.
People who just havent seen the post before.
People who forgot they’ve seen the post, then see it again and get a chuckle out of it.
People who havent had all the joy ripped out of them.
I think putting your effort into creating the memes of the new forefront instead of complaining about reposted content might be more a constructive and fruitful effort.
This feels like a projection of their deity. Did they want to conflate the mystery of their god to the mystery of electricity? I guess I’m a theist now…
Hackworth@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 17:57
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Mysticism has a way of filling a volume. They’ll ask question after question until they get the answer they want: “No, we’re not sure why charge is a property that a particle can have in our universe, but…” - “Got it, mystery.” Then they’ll turn around and shepherd all these “mysteries” into their god of the gaps to demystify them anyway, so they can feel wise when they should feel curious.
This is somehow more offensive to my brain than if they’d simply said “electricity is god”. The way they completely muddy the issue, making the reader not just misinformed but made to feel complacent, like there’s no correct information to be found, is way more grotesque. It shuts down the mind of the reader. It’s anti-education.
A number of modern scholars such as Fielding H. Garrison, Sultan Bashir Mahmood, Hossein Nasr consider modern science and the scientific method to have been greatly inspired by Muslim scientists who introduced a modern empirical, experimental and quantitative approach to scientific inquiry. Certain advances made by medieval Muslim astronomers, geographers and mathematicians were motivated by problems presented in Islamic scripture, such as Al-Khwarizmi’s (c. 780–850) development of algebra in order to solve the Islamic inheritance laws,[18] and developments in astronomy, geography, spherical geometry and spherical trigonometry in order to determine the direction of the Qibla, the times of Salah prayers, and the dates of the Islamic calendar.[19] These new studies of math and science would allow for the Islamic world to get ahead of the rest of the world. ‘With these inspiration at work, Muslim mathematicians and astronomers contributed significantly to the development to just about every domain of mathematics between the eight and fifteenth centuries"[20]
Many Muslims agree that doing science is an act of religious merit, even a collective duty of the Muslim community.[61] According to M. Shamsher Ali, there are around 750 verses in the Quran dealing with natural phenomena. According to the Encyclopedia of the Quran, many verses of the Quran ask mankind to study nature, and this has been interpreted to mean an encouragement for scientific inquiry,[62] and the investigation of the truth.[62] Some include, “Travel throughout the earth and see how He brings life into being” (Q29:20), “Behold in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are indeed signs for men of understanding …” (Q3:190)
Yes, but the religious accapt only the amount of science until it don’t denies their dogma.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
on 29 Jul 17:04
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Religion doesn’t exist outside society; that dogma is determined by what is useful to those in society with the power to promote it. This is why under the multi-cultural Ottoman Empire they came up with all sorts of justifications to expand the definition of “people of the book” to include basically every significant religious minority except Hindus, and that was only a matter of time, and why fundamentalists who want to return to the 1300s were promoted funded by the British/US/Saudis.
Same applies to any ideology or philosophy. To pretend otherwise is liberal idealism.
The Baha’i faith teaches that there can never be a conflict between their faith and science. Anything in the past against what science has shown to be true now is considered allegorical.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
on 30 Jul 02:41
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I would like to add on, that the Islamic Goldern Age is why we still know about Greek philsophers, have the concept of algebra, or why the scientific method exists.
I think its more than what you claimed… They are just objectively incorrect facts. Many people have felt electricity, we know where it comes from, what causes it, and how to control it, even.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 29 Jul 13:42
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American Christianity is so weird. This sort of nonsense just isn’t a thing in Europe or at least not in my country.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 13:56
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I may have a simple American education… But I’m pretty sure the Vatican is in Europe.
r4venw@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 14:03
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Not to be that guy but the vatican is important to catholics; not christians as a whole.
In my experience american christianity is a whole other ball game
Bytemeister@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 14:09
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I’ll lob the ball back over the fence here. Old textbooks with outdated views of a niche sect of Christian beliefs are probably less important to most Christians than the Vatican is, even to non-Catholic Christians.
TheRealKuni@midwest.social
on 29 Jul 14:14
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Eh. Probably not. Protestants don’t really give a rat’s ass what the Vatican thinks, and the official position of the Roman Catholic Church on creation is “Theistic Evolution,” whereas these nonsense Protestant textbooks teach that evolution isn’t real.
Source: grew up in almost as close to Catholic as a Protestant church can get, but was still taught that the office of the papacy is “a form of Antichrist.”
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
Please note the “Global Statistics” section which notes that evangelicals exist in over 120 different countries, including countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia.
TheRealKuni@midwest.social
on 29 Jul 15:28
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How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
I don’t care at all about “this belief that electricity is a complete mystery.” It’s not a part of any form of Christianity with which I am familiar. It strikes me as the kind of thing someone might write in a children’s textbook because they themselves don’t know what they’re talking about and aren’t going to let that stop them from selling a textbook.
But I also don’t really care what the Vatican says, except as it has an impact on the world. My beliefs, as they are, are in no way affected by the Vatican.
For what it’s worth, I was never taught this nonsense. The Christian school I attended growing up was actually a phenomenal education, lacking only in specific areas like evolution. We consistently scored higher than most other area schools on everything, including science. My understanding of electricity when finishing 8th grade and moving over to public school for high school was as good, if not better, than the average middle schooler (which isn’t, you know, a profound understanding, but also not “no one knows” either).
I don’t think this particular textbook is indicative of religious education in the US in general, and it’s clearly an old textbook based on the image, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is some wackjob church that teaches this shit. There are crazy people in all corners of the world, after all.
All I was saying was that, in general, Protestants are more likely to care what some old textbook says than what the Vatican says. They still teach Young Earth Creation, after all. Perhaps not this textbook though.
Yep, you long-form summarized my point. For the most part, Christians in the US do have an understanding of modern phenomena, and they aren’t any crazier than most Christians anywhere else on the planet.
TheRealKuni@midwest.social
on 29 Jul 15:36
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Gotcha. Broadly I agree with that, although I will say in response to “they aren’t any crazier” part that I fear the evangelical movement in the US more than most places. They seem to not care at all about their actual religion and instead worship power. It’s disconcerting to say the least.
But it isn’t about a misunderstanding of modern phenomena, it’s about a misunderstanding of their own scripture.
The evangelical movement’s outsized influence in the US is rooted in the Republican’s “southern strategy” to make a big umbrella of the fringiest racist, chauvinist and fundamentalists, and use them to elect shitty hate-bait politicians.
They aren’t actually powerful, someone just handed them a really big megaphone.
Yeah I went to Catholic high school in the US. Received an excellent education, which was much better than what the public schools offered. It made college very easy for me, while I watched public school graduates struggle with basic general education concepts.
“Christians” is a broad term, which includes non-Catholics. And within that group there is another huge spectrum where many fall on the crazier side.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 14:07
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Not sure what point you’re trying to make. The seat of Catholicism in Europe and American fundamentalists have very few things in common. Even American Catholics have very little crossover with their evangelical counterparts.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 14:11
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The point I’m trying to make is Christianity across the globe is an absurd denial of facts and the observable world. There isn’t really anything more dramatic about American Christians vs Christians in Europe or anywhere else for that matter.
Glitterbomb@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 14:38
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In Germany, religious defamation is covered by Article 166 of the Strafgesetzbuch, the German criminal law. If a deed is capable of disturbing the public peace, defamation is actionable. The article reads as follows:[53]
§ 166 Defamation of religious denominations, religious societies and World view associations
(1) Whoever publicly or by dissemination of writings (§ 11 par. 3) defames, in a manner suitable to disturb the public peace, the substance of the religious or world view conviction of others, shall be fined or imprisoned for up to three years.
(2) Whoever publicly or by dissemination of writings (§ 11 par. 3) defames, in a manner suitable to disturb the public peace, a church existing in Germany or other religious society or world view association, or their institutions or customs, shall be punished likewise.
In 2006, the application of this article received much media attention when a Manfred van H. (also known as “Mahavo”) was prosecuted for defamation for distributing rolls of toilet paper with the words “Koran, the Holy Koran” stamped on them.[54][55][56] The defendant claimed he wanted to protest the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004 and the London bombings of 2005. Beyond the sentence he also received death threats from Islamists and needed a police bodyguard.[56]
What is called “Blasphemy law” here is just protection of religious people, in particular minorities against persecution and incitement of hatred. You know, because last time when it was en vogue in Germany it led to millions of people being exterminated for their (alleged) religious affiliation.
If such a protection is called “Blasphemy law”, the same would have to be said for laws protecting LGBT, disabled people, ethnic minorities and other vulnerable groups.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 15:22
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What they have on the books and what they enforce/how people live, are two very different things.
I appreciate that link, it’s enlightening, I didn’t know some of those countries still had it on their books.
However, the actual people living in Europe (at least Western Europe) ignore pretty much all of that. Everyone blasphemies all the time, nobody cares.
If anyone’s religious, they generally keep it to themselves in the EU.
If they’re religious in the US, they talk about it as if everyone else is as well, and pray for you and will pray to God to heal you from whatever affliction you have.
You pretty much cant’ escape the religious fanaticism that exists in the US from the people. It’s got nothing to do with the laws on the books (yet, but give the Christo-fascists time…), and everything to do with the insanity that is being religious in the US and making it a part of every aspect of your life, and forcing everyone else around you to participate whether they want to or not.
I’ve spent a good bit of time in Europe, and never once, not even remotely, have I ever been asked anything religious or had anyone talk about God, or Jesus, or offer to pray for me, etc.
I met a Tattoo artist the other day that said he’d pray for me and that Jesus can “do all things through Christ” (which I guess is Jesus doing everything through himself?) completely unprompted and without displaying anything other than a plain black t-shirt.
This happens constantly. Everywhere in the US. And if you’re anywhere near a mega church, holy shit, those people are pure insanity. I’ve been to sermons where people are speaking in “tongues” and yelling jibberish, flopping about on the floor during a big tent-revival thing, hitting people to smack the “demons” out of them, screaming and rolling on the ground to escape demons (or praise God, it’s difficult to tell sometimes), etc.
Nothing like that exists in western Europe to my knowledge. Or if it does, nothing even close to the scale it’s displayed in the US exists.
Did you see the picture of the Vatican I posted in comparison to that evangelical weirdo’s little theater in the US? So much for “keeping it to themselves” there is practically a sovereign state for one branch of Christians in Europe.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 22:58
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Man, I’m trying to help out here, but you’re making it difficult by conflating these things.
They are not the same. You seem to be on the same side as everyone else here in terms of disliking/hating organized religion. With you on that. I have a deep, deep, deep hatred and mistrust of that given my upbringing in the US.
However, it is not a fair comparison that the Vatican or the way religion in Western Europe is in any way similar to what’s going on in those evangelical revival tents/places.
I’ve been to and lived in/through both, and so have a lot of people replying to you. It seems like your first hand experience with religion in Western Europe is perhaps extremely limited and you’re looking at extremely superficial similarities (like the opulence of the Vatican or how it’s basically its own country, sort of thing).
It’s tradition. You’re looking at things from the times during the crusades, sort of thing. What’s left in Europe is mostly just traditional religion stuff, that’s more about ceremony and habit than any actual true fanatical belief in anything.
There are no preachers on street corners in Europe that I’ve ever seen or heard of.
There’s no big tent revival things.
There’s no people shoving their religion down your throat.
There’s no crazy mega-church speaking in tongues shit.
That’s largely contained in the US. Whatever superficial similarities you’re seeing between the two regions is just that, superficial.
I encourage you to go over to Europe and visit these sights.
I’ve been to the Vatican. It’s basically just a bunch of money thrown at artists during the Renaissance period because the church had too damn much money. It’s an attraction. It’s a circus. A sideshow.
Even the devout Catholics over there keep it to themselves. They’re science focused (generally), and tend to not let it affect their social discourse too much. Nobody ever asks for your religion over there or assumes you’re a Christian.
Europe has an absolute shitton of non-believers, especially depending on the country we’re talking about (Norway/Finland/Iceland are some of the highest number of Agnostic/Atheists).
There’s not many other ways I can explain this right now other than you are wrong. It’s understandable why you think what you think, because on the surface you could make these connections, but I absolutely promise you, if you were to go and live in Western Europe for even a week or more; you’d learn quickly how little religion plays a part in anyone’s life over there.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 15:31
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I too was raised with religion (Catholicism) in the US, while my wife grew up going to Baptist churches - our childhoods could not have been more different. I was taught that studying science and the processes of observation and inquiry bring you closer to God, while for her the sciences were alternately ignored or lied about. Our family gave into the collection basket of our own will because we believed raising funds for good causes was the right thing to do. Her family was under compulsory tithing - 10% of all income. I was allowed to read whatever books, consume whatever media, and wear whatever I wanted, she was not. The list goes on…
I’m not trying to whitewash Catholicism - it obviously has its own major issues that shouldn’t be ignored, but it’s a far cry from the fundamentalist book burners who my family thought of as zealous nut bags.
They also have a ton of books saying that the universe was created in 7 days, and that when you take communion, wine and bread are literally transformed into blood and flesh of a zombie diety.
Ah yes, because changes in the interpretation of the word of God by mere mortals is different from changing the word of God.
Those weren’t “days” per se, it’s more like undefined segments of time. Humans weren’t literally made of of clay, it’s just a stand-in for god’s brainstorming putty.
Ooh ooh, my turn! God made us in his image, but he doesn’t actually have a dick and balls, or even a real form, but he is definitely a ‘he’ despite not having a biologically defined sex, so God created individually selected pronouns and put them in his bio.
Do you see how all this is absolutely absurd? I just changed the meaning of the “literal word of God” and my reasoning is a concrete as any other interpertation, it simply lacks consensus, (which is not a proof BTW). The idea that mortals can re-write the literal meaning and intent of a omnipotent deity is more absurd than stating that we aren’t really sure where electicty comes from.
chuymatt@startrek.website
on 29 Jul 15:56
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I’m an atheist, and that reply is kinda coming off as assholary.
Modern Catholicism has a lot to critique, but their support of science has been really good, especially compared to fundamentalist religions in the US.
As for the explanations for terms (handwaves), I’d say the Talmud started that long ago.
I went to Italian catholic school from kindergarten to high school and studied dinosaurs and shit, nobody gets to american level of nonsense
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 15:25
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My American catholic school taught us that creationism is against catholic doctrine. They also taught the controversy.
My friends who went to public school got less instruction on evolution and their science teachers were obviously creationist while mine barely hid that she thought it was moronic
All of my friends who went to catholic school had the opposite experience. Evolution was handwaved away as complete nonsense, and God’s benevolence was the answer for why people exist. My public school taught evolution very thoroughly, though none of my science teachers seemed creationist.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world
on 30 Jul 03:38
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Strange. We had just enough Jesuit influence to tell us that God was why, but what and how is best understood through science. Non overlapping magesteria and whatnot.
Now thats not to say they didnt spew some shit. Hell we once got pulled out of class to look at magic bones (internet atheist Latin teacher didn’t like that lol), and our Christian lifestyles class was mostly bigotry and marriage advice, but science class was for understanding the world and the scientific method.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 13:46
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I know people in my day to day who dont belive the earth is more than 2k years old, who believe there were never “cavemen”, and dinosaurs weren’t real. Baffling. This person is rich and has a ton of land. Education dont mean shit in freedom land.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 14:01
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To be fair, the bible doesn’t have any lessons on how electricity works… /s
When I went to a (private) Christian school our science book was called Undertstanding God’s World and it was pretty wacky. I think I remember it saying dinosaurs and humans lived alongside each other. I also remember being taught plate tectonics was a lie?
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Jul 15:54
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I was enrolled in a Christian school for kindergarten through second grade.
I was suspended in first grade because I threw a tantrum over the teacher saying that dinosaur fossils were all fake and created to deceive people into believing evolution. According to her dinosaurs and humans coexisted before the flood, and scientists know this but carve rocks into bone shapes to fool people because atheists are evil.
Naturally, being a dinosaur obsessed little boy, I flat out rejected this hypothesis. My grandmother had taught me to read way above my level, and I read encyclopedia entrees on different dinosaurs before bed every night, often annoying the shit out of grandma because id ask for explanations of sentences from scientific articles as a 6 year old. So after calling the teacher a moron for the fifth time, I was sent home early. When my mother heard my side of the story, she went to the public school the next day and asked for an enrollment form.
Fuck Christian schools. Science is awesome and dinosaurs are cool.
OmegaMan@lemmings.world
on 29 Jul 15:59
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Very punk. I dig it.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 29 Jul 16:44
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Dinosaurs are amazing, especially when they play a suburban family that is a thinly veiled metaphor for 90s America (and to a large extent present day America) and environmentalism.
You can probably safely say plate tectonics is a lie in Texas, and not have to worry about inconvenient earthquakes to explain to the class. Try that in NZ…far more active over here.
Not only can you see it and feel it, you can also hear and smell it! They have clearly never seen lightning, heard thunder, been electrocuted or smelled the ozone.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Jul 16:05
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lol I’m sure some of us has felt it before.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Jul 16:22
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ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 29 Jul 16:39
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This is the stupidest shit I have heard in my life. Ever seen fucking sparks? Ever had to deal with static electricity? What do they mean they don’t know where electricity comes from? We have power plants and an entire grid to provide electricity. The ways to generate electricity is extremely well known and are common fucking knowledge… I mean I learned it as a kid from cartoons and video games.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 16:46
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Good electricians might understand the theory behind it, but average ones just need to meet code without wasting too much time or materials. And to do that they follow patterns that work, patterns they learn from good electricians (or engineers).
Also, as an outsider, it seems like modern electrical code is designed so electricians don’t need to use common sense. For better or worse…
I refuse to believe that anyone can be this incompetent. What is the strategy here? How would religious extremists profit from creating the “myth” of electricity? I’m more confused than anything else, honestly.
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Jul 17:25
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It conditions them into believing that there are powerful and mysterious forces at work in the world that can’t be explained but must be taken on faith. If they get into the habit of looking for answers to questions, they might start asking other inconvenient questions. My sunday school teacher had a similar spiel about how god was like the wind, we couldnt see or touch him but we could see the effects of his actions.
Funny, I heard the exact same explanation for Dark Matter. But the context was ‘so we know, there’s something there, we cannot explain, which is why we need to study more or even rethink what we thought to know about gravity/the universe’. Science is awesome!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Jul 04:15
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Yep.
It boils down to:
Reality is actually magic (ie, fundamentally incomprehensible and inconsistent), and our magic guide book, and my interpretation of said magic guide book, is more correct than any other book or person, because this book says it is, and says it is the bestest magical book, and I am the bestest knower of the magic book.
It is magical thinking, a worldview based on a psuedo reality derived from psuedo logic (where psuedo means ‘fake’, ‘impostor’, ‘sham’), which is a key component of many cults and also severe psychological disorders.
That is really clever. Soften them up slowly but surely. Infest their world view with this nonsense and then one day they will be ready for the sales pitch.
Oh wow. It’s been a long time since just reading a thing made me physically nauseous. I crave for the person responsible for these lies to suffer excruciating punishment. It breaks my heart having to accept that justice is dead and they will very likely never face consequences.
This appears to be stupid, and it is, but it’s mostly evil. Teaching children to accept absurdities and distrust evidence to make them easier to control.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
on 29 Jul 18:12
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I had that feeling… I never did it again. I am lucky it was a split second or I’d be dead.
LethargicPuppy14@lemmy.zip
on 29 Jul 18:27
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As a kid, I used to purposely stick my fingers between prongs while plugging Christmas lights in in order to electrocute myself. It’s shocking that I came out from that unscathed.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 18:35
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Eh, you only get a little tickle from that. Now completing a circuit across your chest is a doozy. Would not recommend.
AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Jul 18:02
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We homeschooled our kids for non-religious reasons. Most of the commercially available books, materials and curriculums were Christian oriented. While I am a Christian (although not a conservative) I found some of the materials just flat out intellectually insulting, factually incorrect, extremely biased (without the benefit of scriptural justification) and the above example is far from the worst of what I saw. It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 29 Jul 18:47
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Wait so the above is actually real? And there are worse things in existence?
Wtf…
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 18:59
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It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
The irony is that such fundamentalists rely on so much engineering, built on layers of scientific research, for what they do (like eating. And housing. And recruitment. And printing and distributing that textbook), and… yeah. It’d be like a flat-earther in orbit. It’s beyond ironic: it’s just not a possible situation without the help of outsiders refuting that belief.
I have a lot more respect for the Amish, isolated monks, folks that take their beliefs seriously and consistently in their lifestyle.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 19:25
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We briefly homeschooled during the pandemic, and like you we’re non-conservative Christians. When our Christian friends asked about our curriculum, they always wrinkled their noses at the fact that it said “secular curriculum” on the cover. We told them, “you don’t understand how weird the home school curriculum business is. Trust me, it’s way easier to take this curriculum and add the values we want to impart than to take all the Christian nationalism out of the religious curriculum.”
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
on 29 Jul 20:15
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My brother and sister-in-law homeschooled their kids for a while, which was a bit out of character for them. It turned out they were actually sending them to a private school that was technically “home schooling” because the parents taught the kids at home one day out of the week using school-provided materials and the kids were at the school the other four days. That one day a week allowed the technical “home schooling” designation and also allowed the school to use non-state-certified teachers (with the added bonus of being able to pay them hourly and only for four days of work a week). And all of this was only marginally cheaper than normal private schools. My bro and SIL eventually realized how shitty this was all around and moved into a good school district - which was way cheaper than private schools.
It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
But also;
I am a Christian
How do you reconcile these two viewpoints?
“It’s all bollocks, but I still believe it.”
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk
on 29 Jul 21:14
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There’s nothing fundamentally christian about the text in the picture above, it’s just nonsense propaganda. The whole science vs religion thing is frankly bollocks too - science shouldn’t be arguing about religion it’s fundamentally incompatible. OP can believe in a god, believe in an afterlife - science has nothing to say on the subject, it’s not testable, it’s not falsifiable it’s got absolutely nothing to do with science.
PokerChips@programming.dev
on 30 Jul 03:05
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I think gp is referring to the fact that there is soooo much in the Bible that defies science that is taken as truth.
AntEater@discuss.tchncs.de
on 30 Jul 20:13
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I was thinking about how to reply here in a meaningful way but I think your response encapsulates the core of it pretty well. Lots more I could say, but would lead to long essay and probably of limited interest to the topic at hand.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk
on 30 Jul 23:52
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Ah yeah man, I feel ya. One thing I don’t really get is why there’s a subset of Christianity that wants to be so combative - like all that needs to be said is “well, yes, that’s pretty clever - of course god would do it that way” or “in this we better understand our maker” instead of trying to belittle what is a clearly useful and widely applied modelling tool.
as a person from across the ocean, i don’t get this. why would there be need for some different curriculum for homeschooling, and why would the choice depend on the parent? how is it possible you just get to chose? don’t you have to comply with some general standard? here, home-schooling is extremely rare, but if someone undergoes it, they have to use the same textbooks as everyone else and from time to time pass some exams in school to be sure the kid is not behind its peers.
Conservatism needs its masses of ignorant and near-illiterate electorate who cannot think for themselves and cannot use critical thinking to realize how badly they are being hoodwinked. This hollowing out of the educational system has been done on purpose to bulk up the Republican electorate.
For a preview that’s way way too low touch a dodgy HDMI cable, a finger will suffice if you want to feel electricity and with your tongue if you ran out of 9v bats.
That’s not a dodgy HDMI cable. One of the devices, if multiple are connected together, is causing the mains electricity to be capacitively transferred across the transformer core in the power supply.
That’s a dodgy power supply design because of either a cheap core design, poorly rated decoupling caps across the HV to LV side of the core or lack of earth pin.
Benchamoneh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Jul 07:55
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I do
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
on 30 Jul 10:03
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9V battery and tongue, or electric fence
JackbyDev@programming.dev
on 29 Jul 21:25
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I’m curious what they think a lightning strike is.
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space
on 29 Jul 22:52
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god playing craps with the lizard king, who is always below the earth’s crust right at the moment when lightning is striking the ground.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
on 30 Jul 02:30
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Fuck listening to science about how “Lightning is a natural phenomenon consisting of electrostatic discharges occurring through the atmosphere between two electrically charged regions. One or both regions are within the atmosphere, with the second region sometimes occurring on the ground. Following the lightning, the regions become partially or wholly electrically neutralized.”
This sounds so much better. What reminds when either one of them roll snake eyes?
dharmacurious@slrpnk.net
on 29 Jul 22:08
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I was homeschooled my entire childhood. My mom was a Christian. Not a crazy zealot, just a woman with faith. Initially, my school books were through a Christian curriculum program (I believe abeka books, iirc). One of my textbooks had this module on dinosaurs, with little pictures of humans in leopard print look clothes picking berries while a brontosaurus walked by in the background. My mom, ever the fantastic mother, immediately tossed those pieces of garbage and got me on the state curriculum that the public schools used. Took her forever to get it. Initially, when she called the state to ask how to get those resources she was told to stick with abeka, and was offered several other insane religious options before they finally relented. From then on, even though we lived in Virginia, my school standard came out of California, and I had to take end of year tests that aligned with the state of California. I got a great education, and because Mama let me basically choose what hours of the day I did my schoolwork in, I didn’t really need to take summers off. Ended up finishing 12th grade at 14 years old. I am so thankful that she realized how bad those books were, and fought to make sure, even as a single mother working well over full time, that her kids got a good education. My brother and I both placed highest in the state when we took our final exams, in everything but math.
This sounds similar to my childhood. Glad to know there are others. Growing up like that, I didn’t understand the stigma around homeschooling, however, seeing how some of my homeschool “peers” around me turned out, we’re a fraction of a fraction my friend. Thanks for sharing.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 30 Jul 02:12
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What a coincidence! I had a very similar path! My elementary mis-education was largely a fundie school using Abeka as well. Their weird religious nationalism was so crazy when I look back on it. It’s amazing they could actually publish this crap.
I wish I still had all the old books we had to get because that would make for a good laugh (and possibly an embarrassment campaign.)
Like c’mon we were kids how were we supposed to know? But also it just felt so bullshitty, like a written form of that awkward feeling you got when it was really obvious adults were lying to manipulate you and thought you were stupid.
It was in California, so eventually I had to move to the state curriculum also, around middle school, for my grades to actually count.
Honestly, that requirement saved my intellect. I went to a secular charter school where I was pushed into interacting with so many different people of different perspectives, and I would be a much crappier person without that experience.
Even today the damage isn’t gone, there’s still so much untangling and deprogramming to do.
These “curriculums” are child abuse.
After all that, I still kept my faith, not because of that upbringing, but in spite of it. That being said, I’m a Christian anarchist now. I make a point to counter this anti-intellectual, anti-Jesus, pro-fascist propaganda mongering wherever I can.
For what it’s worth. . .I’m glad we both made it through the other side of being exposed to that slop.
dharmacurious@slrpnk.net
on 30 Jul 04:53
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Damn! Fellow Homeschooled Abeka-refugee, and a fellow Christian anarchist‽ Well met! In fairness, my religion’s all over the place, but Christian anarchism is a big part of it.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 30 Jul 05:13
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Even today the damage isn’t gone, there’s still so much untangling and deprogramming to do.
it stunts their development while assuring them they have all the answers. funny, this is a recurring theme in religion that I see…
Now, i usually don’t advocate for book burning, but this one is making a compelling case
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
on 30 Jul 05:09
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slow down there bud. burning the book would release co2 to the atmosphere and only return ashes and heat.
RECYCLING THE BOOK enables it to have a chance at being a better book, a book not fulla shit. a book someone should read. The tree that was cut down to make these ridiculous pages deserves better.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 30 Jul 04:02
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Replace ‘electricity’ with ‘wind’ and/or ‘moving air’ and/or ‘breath’, and now you understand what Proto-Judaic Canaanites circa 800 BCE thought ‘spirit’ was.
It’s worth remembering that this is not the type of textbook used in American public schools and most American students do not attend weird private religious schools. I was also raised as a Catholic and learning about science (including evolution through natural selection, of course) was always encouraged. Evangelicals are nuts.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world
on 31 Jul 01:23
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JFC, it’s real. Someone posted a link to purchase the book off Amazon below. I’m gobsmacked.
mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml
on 30 Jul 05:49
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Looking back when I was growing up I think the most nefarious thing about books like this is that printing gave a lot of implied legitimacy because it was expensive to print a book.
Speaks to how much money these people had to miseducate people.
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jul 07:26
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BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Jul 11:09
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You know, back in time before the dark ages, Christianity was very scientific. Science was a tool that god gave to humans to understand the world they live in.
Yes, monks are authors of scientific works, but as said, only if it not denies the Dogma (if they don’t wanted to burn) , also not accessible by the people and only for the elites, apart it wasn’t really science how we understand it now, it was more a process to adapt theories to fit the Dogma. But they invent also very nice things, eg. in the middle age, a number system to write numbers fro 1 to 9999 in one sign by Cistercian monks.
PokerChips@programming.dev
on 30 Jul 19:42
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This is brilliant! Now finish it by making 100000 a “knot” by making it like 99999 but fill in the missing side bars. Then start a new hundred thousand knot by using a hyphen. So 100001 would be [knot]-[1]
Now we just need to get rid of computers, typewriters and technology so this can be rightly appreciated.
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
on 31 Jul 04:44
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Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz
on 30 Jul 07:55
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I have seen electric, it’s blue and I have even felt it, it hurts. Also I know where it comes from, it comes from the walls, there’s an electric sockets for it.
I feel like pretty much everyone who reads them is only doing so out of spite. I don’t think anyone has ever really wanted to read Fahrenheit 451.
camelbeard@lemmy.world
on 30 Jul 23:27
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I read 1984 (as an adult) and really enjoyed it, I’m not sure enjoyed is the right word, as it was also pretty sad. I can highly recommend the book. Animal farm I read for English class when I was 15 (in the Netherlands), didn’t fully get it, and should probably read it again, knowing its meaning.
451ºF is the temperatur when Paper begins to burn.
Apparently this is not actually true, paper will burn at much lower temperatures than that which when you think about it is kind of obvious, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to set paper on fire with a lit match, you would need an accelerant, as wood starts burning at 400F.
I’ve read most of them and they’re mostly great, only one I read I didn’t really like was Catcher in the Rye. Fahrenheit 451 is a classic, I’ve read it of my own free will.
No offense dude but you kind of just sound like a teenager going “reading is dumb”.
Just so because something is a classic doesn’t mean it’s good or that most people have read them, it just means that people have decided that it’s an important work.
Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca
on 30 Jul 17:42
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Electricity is the flow of electrons, (negative charge,) caused by one substance gaining electrons, and one substance losing electrons in a redox reaction. The thing that is oxidized loses electrons, and the substance that is reduced gains electrons. Oxidation is visible in nature via Rust. Water and oxygen gain electrons that are lost by the pure iron creating an iron oxide that is reddish brown. (Batteries have a + and - sign, hooking them up into a loop with a device creates the electricity that powers the device. Everyday batteries utilize zinc and a magnese oxide, but there are many other types of materials that are used in other types of batteries.) 25 years of this Christian faith homeschool bullshit; pretty clear why these dipshits voted trump.
It’s not needed to explain electricity here, but needed to ban the Bible and religious faith from science and academic books in the US, because the US has too much (weapon) power in the world to let it in the hands of stupid and ignorant creationist people. 50% of cientifics in the US are foreigners and with the Trump policy and cuts of supports, a lot of these are leaving the US (4.000 from the NASA)-
Ehhh… That can’t be right. And we gotta teach both sides.
Stonewyvvern@lemmy.world
on 30 Jul 18:58
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Used to live across the street from a Freewill Baptist Church.
Always curious about other beings mindsets, went and attended a service.
Walked through the main door and felt the trope of crickets chirping. No one greeted me, said hello, welcome, nothing. I was stared at but never acknowledged.
The service was strictly talking. No hyms or singing.
The sermon told me they are creationists that believe “Singing and dancing lead to temptation”.
Point is their “educational materials” were horrifying. Mostly just fear mongering and advising self segregation from reality.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 30 Jul 20:35
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How full was the church?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 30 Jul 21:10
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You called other people beings and that feels odd to me for some reason.
multifariace@lemmy.world
on 30 Jul 22:52
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Why is there a 4th book? The way this book teaches, they don’t even need a class.
They have several tomes more, in the 4th Science there are totak 3 formulas (Area, Volumen, Speed of light) but 32 Bibel quotes. No more needed to make Anerica great again.
threaded - newest
“Ok, so here’s the theme for this one: you’re in the 1890s and you’ve just seen your first lightbulb. All you know is it runs on electricity instead of oil, and that some fucking idiot caught some electricity in a jar during a lightning storm. Go!”
In 1890 they had telegraph lines between continents for about 40 years.
“Ey, look! We gotta publish this book by the end of the week and the thermodynamics guy already wasted so much time that we’re behind schedule! Pretend those people were morons, alright?! Now, c’mon, get to writing, you’re on preface duty after that!”
1890 would also be about 30 years after the invention of the telephone and 2 years after the invention of the strowger switch (first automated telephone switch)
When was this written? Also, it’s not entirely untrue to say that we know what electromagnetic force does, but not what causes it. They say it’s a ‘fundamental force’, which is basically way of saying we can’t further reduce it to explain in terms of other stuff. We don’t know what any of the fundamental forces (electromagnetism, gravity, and the strong and weak nuclear forces) really are - we can only describe their effects on the world with maths (‘what they do’)
Given it has a (good quality) color photo attached to it, it was definitely published when we already understood the theory of electricity really well, so it doesn’t get a pass.
I’d argue that for fundamental forces, “what they are” and “what they do” is the same, by definition.
And in any case, mains supply in your home is not just electromagnetic waves vibing around, it’s electrons engineered to move through wires in very specific ways, transferring power from a moving magnet or (increasingly) a photon falling on a semiconductor junction, to move another magnet, heat up some metal, or (increasingly) bounce around some electrons between some semiconductor junctions and then emit photons from other semiconductors junctions.
Finally, most of the text is bullshit even if you don’t think we know what fundamental forces “are”:
You can easily feel electric discharge. Just rub your hair on some wool.
Just be around a thunderstorm. Thunder is the sound of an electric discharge.
You can see where the energy that moved the electrons in your wires came from: app.electricitymaps.com
It was written by a complete and utter buffoon, and it can’t be redeemed with any amount of handwaving or philosophizing over what it means to “know” or what things “are”. Either that or it’s satire (which might well be the case).
I think it might be real:
It’s even worse than that. Electric lighting predates the photo camera by several decades
Faraday’s law and Lenz’s law were discovered in the 1830s
The first arclamp is from the 1800-1810s. They weren’t exactly selling them in stores by then, but they had been invented.
I’d argue we didn’t fully understand the theory of electricity until we understood the atomic structures of metals and semiconductors, and that was properly developed in the early 20th century.
You could place “understanding” at many points in history, and several in the future:
Building an arclamp powered by a portable generator is damned impressive.
Sending a message via electromagnetic waves shows very impressive understanding of electricity too.
Having a small electromagnetic particle accelerator in your house to show moving pictures is pretty damned amazing.
Using electricity and basically sand to do maths is insanely impressive.
On the other hand, you might argue we don’t understand electricity because we don’t have a unified field theory.
I totally agree that the rest of it is nonsense, I was just commenting on the what it is/what it does bit
I think you’re on the right track. It’s like they heard “you can’t hold and observe an electron” and just really ran with that but missed all the actual nuance behind it. Still baffling why they would print this, seeming to point to on something like only god knows how electricity works while there’s a person using a very clearly engineered device and electric socket.
This is the basis for their entire “understanding” of the world. It’s how they thank god when a doctor heals them. It’s how they can say that something produced by the scientific process (vaccines) are bad, but then enjoy so many of the benefits of the exact same process (pain meds). “God did it” is the ultimate willful ignorance.
It was apparently first printed in 1976 according to this page I found discussing it.
Oh my…that page is amazing
I love how the book says that no one has observed electricity, yet it has a picture of a lightning bolt on the cover 🤦
“That’s not you observing electricity, that’s just seeing something electricity does heathen.”
Those guys probably.
Their argument seems to be that since you can’t actually see it, as in you can’t pump electricity into a clear pipe and see flowing through the pipe like water. That “science” must just be lying to you.
You can’t see water either, only its effects on light that goes to your eyes
Oh don’t worry. They don’t understand how eyes work either.
But you can see it though. You can see it arc right?
What they’re saying best I can decipher is that seeing that bolt of lightning or that arc from a wire isn’t you setting the “electricity” itself. It’s you seeing something that it’s doing. Like the arc is a shadow puppet and “electricity” as they define it is the hand casting the shadow.
What they essentially want is for you to be able to take a picture of a lightning bolt and zoom in to see the individual electrons moving through the air. Fundamentally entirely misunderstanding how science says electricity works.
Good find , from the same book, respect Astronomy, explained with the Bible (in a science Book 🤦)
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That quote from the bible sounds a lot like they were saying “the things you see are made of things you can’t see”.
Which is totally accurate, atoms baby!
The whole time I was reading that, I was thinking “man, I miss the old Cracked. This is gold.”
Then, I saw the author was Seanbaby! I think I know what site I will be wasting time on next.
Holy shit, I thought this had to be fake. :(
Electrician here, I’ve certainly felt electricity, and it sure ain’t pleasant.
And those generation alternators must be very confused.
Have you ever had a conversation with electricity?!?!?
checkmate, “electricians”
I’ve sure sworn at it when I’ve shown up to a call and something’s arcing, so yeah kinda.
“All right you fucking lightning, back in the (fuse) box!”
Those pesky pixies do have a penchant for producing pain.
Point properly presented.
You did not feel electricity, you felt what it did to your body 🤓
And your heart felt the frequency 🤓🤓 assuming AC… hope you do your regular ECG 🫶🏻
No no, work around hv and you’ll feel electricity even if you’re not doing hot work a lot of the time you can feel the inductive fields around you.
First of all, there are no “inductive fields”. There are electric and magnetic fields and what you can feel or sometimes hear are the electric fields.
Edit: I don’t understand all the downvotes, but whatever. Specifically what you can hear near high voltage power lines sometimes is partial discharge which is caused by high electric field strengths.
Electromagnetic induction is what you’re feeling and it is indeed creating an inductive field.
Electromagnetic fields induce electric fields, so you’re saying these inductive fields that you can feel are electric fields or do you feel the magnetic field of the induced currents?
An induced magnetic field is how you feel electricity around high voltage. What even is your argument here because what you’re saying in large part makes no sense.
My argument is that you can’t feel magnetic fields. What is yours, because all you write is utter nonsense. Electric fields are induced, not magnetic fields, it’s called Faraday’s law of induction, inductive field is not a technical term. You get a magnetic field from an induced current which is caused by the electric field in a conductor.
You can absolutely feel electromagnetic fields. You’re being overly tedious about verbiage. Neat.
You got any papers on that? Title/DOI is enough.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35637212/
Confidently incorrect.
What kind of fields?
Electromagnetic ones!
Yes, EM-Waves consist of an Electric and an orthogonal Magnetic field, these are linked, one can’t exist without the other, otherwise you wouldn’t get a wave. Partial discharge which is a form of corona discharge is caused by Electric fields.
Neat. So tell me, am I wrong in any of my statements this far. No? So what is the point of this tedious interaction?
You’re citing random parts of a wikipedia article that talks about an effect caused by an electric field and claim that it’s caused by a magnetic field. You’re an unscientific troll.
It’s not random if you read the wiki.
And you’re a tedious know-it-all. So again answer my question have I said anything untrue? No, I phrased something in a way you don’t agree with because it’s atypical but not inaccurate.
Grow up or be more entertaining at the very least.
Ah but your nerves rely on electricity so actually you only feel electricity, checkmate athiests
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By that definition you don’t see or feel anything 🤡
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Masochist here, you’re wrong
Sadist here. You’re right.
Appeaser here: You both make very good points.
AI here: wow, such a great and thoughtful comment! Thanks for adding to the channel.
Grok here: Regarding “white genocide” in South Africa,
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It depends, with enough A’s, you don’t notice anything (anymore)
As a non-electrician, I’ve also felt electricity and can confirm, it is indeed not pleasant.
You only felt what electricity did to you, not what electricity feels, it probably feels like Rogue from Xmen where when it touches someone it hurts them so it will not be able to experience love so its sad and angry
It really hertz
Must’ve been an AC
zztz…
Or did you felt it? vsauce music
I may be an outlier here, but I’ve experienced mild electric shock from touching a random bare cable sticking out of a wall, and I found it weirdly pleasant. Refreshing, almost.
And this is how people get into electroplay…I, uh, assume.
Wait—I could have been physically enjoying the torture, rather than getting off on the dom’s pleasure??
Mrs Doyle touching bare cables because it makes her feel alive feels like the actual plot of a father Ted episode
Perhaps it’s time we call the men in white coats
It feels like angry
Would you say like an angry god smiting you? That is how lightning must feel like.
and smells like burneding.
No! You only felt what it does.
Now listen here you little shit
Fellow electrician here, I’m convinced that electricity is magic. I’ve only been in electric for 2 years or so, but I’ll be damned if I know how that shit works. The copper touches together and that equals light, or motors spinning, or whatever have you. How? Idk, smarter people figured that out, I’m just here to make sure the damned drywallers don’t cover up our magic copper
Look up “potential difference” and that should make everything make a little more sense.
Basically, the voltage component of electricity wants to flow where the potential is less than itself. In a 120v circuit, the neutral is bonded to ground at the main for a reference of 0v, and you hot leg will find the path of least resistance to that 0v (through the devices we put in line of that circuit, be it lights, motors, etc). The current, or load, in amps, is the work being done by those devices in conjunction with the designed resistance.
Think of a simple incandescent light bulb. The filament has a certain level of resistance that’s designed to sustain a glow when power is applied to it. The 120v potential, trying to reach 0v ground, passes through that filament (the load), making it glow (the current draw is the amount of amps necessary to achieve its full brightness). A motor is similar; power passes through the windings, generating a magnetic field that react with magnets and spin the motor.
Basically, your voltage drives the power through its path to ground, and current is drawn by work being done. V multiplied by A is Watts (kW), or power consumed.
A textbook would lose most of its credibility in my opinion with a title like “____ 4 ____”.
The fact that it contains such wonderful takes on electricity is just icing on the cake.
The title is “Science 4 for”, so it’s the fourth in the series.
Ah! I stand corrected on the title. Thank you.
There are no concepts we’ve ever seen, we only see their effects.
Do you see the air you breath?
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I wish most electricity waa from renewable energy
Lots of it is generated by burning biologically sequestered solar energy from hundreds of millions of years ago.
Which is not renewable. Unless you can wait for a couple of million years.
The planet can, maybe the next species of critters to pick up a pointy stick can make use of it after it resets itself.
not even then. the conditions that turned vegetation in to coal no longer exist
The process still exists, its just limited to rare environments, and will never be the scale as it once was.
The thing is that back in Carboniferous, there were the first trees but no decomposers for that so the process still exists but there are other processes that make it much more unlikely
One of my favorite insane conspiracy theories is that petroleum is constantly produced and is a renewable resource but that fact is hidden from us because it would mean “they” wouldn’t be able to impose carbon taxes and create more profit from other energy sources.
I suppose it isn’t completly a lie. It just takes 100 million years under some pretty specific circumstances, but there’s likely places where it’s currently being produced naturally right now…
The theory is that there is biotic petroleum(the oil we know) formed from biomass from millions of years ago and there is abiotic petroleum that constantly forming from carbon sources deep in the Earth.
Depending on what degree of delusion, they either believe that there is more petroleum being produced than we use or there is less being produced than we need and we need to offset the deficit with other forms of energy.
As you can imagine, the believers in limitless abiotic petroleum tend to have some overlap with young Earth creationists and flat-earthers.
Well technically its still electricity created by the sun. Plants absorbed Carbon dioxide, turned it into carbon with the power of the sun, died and got buried deep below.
Yes, that’s what they said.
I mean outside of nuclear and geothermal it’s all from the sun
There are more pixels than the neurons in the writer’s brain
This reads like a Look Around You narration
What are birds? We just don’t know.
Stupidity is a mystery. No one has ever observed it or heard it or felt it. We can see and hear and feel only what stupidity does. We know it makes people say strange things, make poor decisions, and ignore obvious facts. But we cannot say what stupidity is like.
We cannot even say where stupidity comes from. Some say it might stem from ignorance or misinformation. Others think that social influences or emotional bias produce some of it. All everyone knows is that stupidity seems to be everywhere and that there are many ways for it to surface.
I may have to make this my bio.
I love you.
I wish.
Paychology, Sociology, Social Psychology. Arguably studies of stupidity.
The cultist Sintist demand you belive thier particle-wave duality while denouncing the Holy Trinity.
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Well, from someone who studied electrical theory in a ‘normal’ university, the author isn’t completely off base in that we know what electricity is but not why electricity is.
to be fair, we don’t know why anything is, but that’s something for philosophy so ponder, not science where you seek answers
science doesn’t determine why, it determines how to the best of our abilities. why implies purpose and/or intent, which isn’t something science measures.
Oh we do measure why’s, that’s the point of social sciences. You just have to accept that purpose and intent don’t exist in a vacuum and are the result of human perception and expression then study it as such. As a human phenomenon. From philosophy to psychology, there’s a vast body of analysis on the why of many things. Cultural artifacts for example are the equivalent of batteries, where meaning is concentrated, captured and can be measured, studied and analysed.
With Griffith it stops being a mystery… It goes back to one with Jackson.
What a shithole country.
But surely that’s some old book and is no longer used to teach today, right? Right???
It’s been revised since this edition. I was homeschooled with the “for Christian Schools” textbooks (and was sent to college at the University that produced them) I was just young enough to get the newer editions as they were being rewritten, my cousins who were 4 grades ahead of me weren’t as lucky and had the version shown in the picture. The versions I had were slightly better, they at least didn’t have this particular nonsense in them. But they still all taught a very warped view of science, and I was in my mid-twenties before I stopped believing in Creationism. The last ~10 years since then has taken both a lot of work to learn about reality, but has also been quite a lot of fun. Science is really cool if you aren’t stopping all the time to try to fit God in somehow.
Are they dense?? Electricity comes from the power outlet. Everyone knows that
Of course. That’s why god created power outlets. So mommy can plug in the electric mixer, to make you chocolate chip cookies
I know this screeshot is as old as the internet because of that toilet. Still embarassing.
In creaciontist Schoolbooks Earth is still 6000 Years old, there is nothing which has changed. For creacionists, all answer is in the Bible, not in science facts, as in an interview “The human made globalwarming is a lie, the humans can’t change the creacion of God”, creacionism in action. Trump is one of these.
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Creationism is pretty much rooted in religious fundamentalism, ofc it requires an act of absolute faith against clear evidences. Faith based learning is its defining feature.
That is the problem of religion, they confuse faith with knowledge. Believing in something is always personal and never can be promoted or even imposed as truth, this is why religion is so harmfull, not the believes or faith of individuals. Religion only creates ignorants and hypocrits.
Bro it’s got to be like 6025 years old by now.
…and three month
So this is what Lemmy’s come down to? A repost of a 10 year-old Reddit post, which is a repost of a 14 year-old Tumblr post, about a 30 year-old book marketed to homeschoolers?
Truly we’re at the forefront of memes.
Entshitification is impossible to completely avoid, even here, when so much of the internet’s content is recycled or reposted from the most influential sites
It isn’t certainly old, but creationism is still used in US schools, with not better content. I remember a US delegation not so many years ago, wanting creationism as an alternative teaching in European schools and their anger when they were sent to comb the desert. Even in religious schools the religion is separated from academic teaching. This is not the case in the US, where creationism and also scientology are taught as themes equivalent to real science, even in universities.
Eh, it’s ok. There was even a Diogenes’ Square post recently, which is centuries old meme. Imagine how many reposts that one saw.
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I think putting your effort into creating the memes of the new forefront instead of complaining about reposted content might be more a constructive and fruitful effort.
People who haven’t had all the joy ripped out of them don’t make/spread ragebait memes, lol, this is projection.
Sounds like this youtube.com/watch?v=FBaVwwuErmU&t=
This feels like a projection of their deity. Did they want to conflate the mystery of their god to the mystery of electricity? I guess I’m a theist now…
The machine god is real. It’s blood is charge
Bloo… CHARGE FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
Praise the Omnissiah!
Mysticism has a way of filling a volume. They’ll ask question after question until they get the answer they want: “No, we’re not sure why charge is a property that a particle can have in our universe, but…” - “Got it, mystery.” Then they’ll turn around and shepherd all these “mysteries” into their god of the gaps to demystify them anyway, so they can feel wise when they should feel curious.
This is somehow more offensive to my brain than if they’d simply said “electricity is god”. The way they completely muddy the issue, making the reader not just misinformed but made to feel complacent, like there’s no correct information to be found, is way more grotesque. It shuts down the mind of the reader. It’s anti-education.
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Holy crap that art is freakily accurate to reality
Actually there is also religions promoting science and research.
en.wikipedia.org/…/Islamic_attitudes_towards_scie…
Yes, but the religious accapt only the amount of science until it don’t denies their dogma.
Religion doesn’t exist outside society; that dogma is determined by what is useful to those in society with the power to promote it. This is why under the multi-cultural Ottoman Empire they came up with all sorts of justifications to expand the definition of “people of the book” to include basically every significant religious minority except Hindus, and that was only a matter of time, and why fundamentalists who want to return to the 1300s were promoted funded by the British/US/Saudis.
Same applies to any ideology or philosophy. To pretend otherwise is liberal idealism.
The Baha’i faith teaches that there can never be a conflict between their faith and science. Anything in the past against what science has shown to be true now is considered allegorical.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baháʼí_views_on_science
I would like to add on, that the Islamic Goldern Age is why we still know about Greek philsophers, have the concept of algebra, or why the scientific method exists.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
I think its more than what you claimed… They are just objectively incorrect facts. Many people have felt electricity, we know where it comes from, what causes it, and how to control it, even.
American Christianity is so weird. This sort of nonsense just isn’t a thing in Europe or at least not in my country.
I may have a simple American education… But I’m pretty sure the Vatican is in Europe.
Not to be that guy but the vatican is important to catholics; not christians as a whole.
In my experience american christianity is a whole other ball game
I’ll lob the ball back over the fence here. Old textbooks with outdated views of a niche sect of Christian beliefs are probably less important to most Christians than the Vatican is, even to non-Catholic Christians.
Eh. Probably not. Protestants don’t really give a rat’s ass what the Vatican thinks, and the official position of the Roman Catholic Church on creation is “Theistic Evolution,” whereas these nonsense Protestant textbooks teach that evolution isn’t real.
Source: grew up in almost as close to Catholic as a Protestant church can get, but was still taught that the office of the papacy is “a form of Antichrist.”
How much do you care about this belief that electricty is a complete mystery? Were you even aware that this was a mainstream teaching of a small sect of Christians before you saw this meme?
I dunno if we can call Evangelicals a small sect at this time. Especially not in the US. Catholicism is a “small sect” in the US, for the most part.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism
Please note the “Global Statistics” section which notes that evangelicals exist in over 120 different countries, including countries in Europe, South America, Africa and Asia.
I don’t care at all about “this belief that electricity is a complete mystery.” It’s not a part of any form of Christianity with which I am familiar. It strikes me as the kind of thing someone might write in a children’s textbook because they themselves don’t know what they’re talking about and aren’t going to let that stop them from selling a textbook.
But I also don’t really care what the Vatican says, except as it has an impact on the world. My beliefs, as they are, are in no way affected by the Vatican.
For what it’s worth, I was never taught this nonsense. The Christian school I attended growing up was actually a phenomenal education, lacking only in specific areas like evolution. We consistently scored higher than most other area schools on everything, including science. My understanding of electricity when finishing 8th grade and moving over to public school for high school was as good, if not better, than the average middle schooler (which isn’t, you know, a profound understanding, but also not “no one knows” either).
I don’t think this particular textbook is indicative of religious education in the US in general, and it’s clearly an old textbook based on the image, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if there is some wackjob church that teaches this shit. There are crazy people in all corners of the world, after all.
All I was saying was that, in general, Protestants are more likely to care what some old textbook says than what the Vatican says. They still teach Young Earth Creation, after all. Perhaps not this textbook though.
Edit: Happy cake day, by the way!
Yep, you long-form summarized my point. For the most part, Christians in the US do have an understanding of modern phenomena, and they aren’t any crazier than most Christians anywhere else on the planet.
Gotcha. Broadly I agree with that, although I will say in response to “they aren’t any crazier” part that I fear the evangelical movement in the US more than most places. They seem to not care at all about their actual religion and instead worship power. It’s disconcerting to say the least.
But it isn’t about a misunderstanding of modern phenomena, it’s about a misunderstanding of their own scripture.
The evangelical movement’s outsized influence in the US is rooted in the Republican’s “southern strategy” to make a big umbrella of the fringiest racist, chauvinist and fundamentalists, and use them to elect shitty hate-bait politicians.
They aren’t actually powerful, someone just handed them a really big megaphone.
Yeah I went to Catholic high school in the US. Received an excellent education, which was much better than what the public schools offered. It made college very easy for me, while I watched public school graduates struggle with basic general education concepts.
“Christians” is a broad term, which includes non-Catholics. And within that group there is another huge spectrum where many fall on the crazier side.
Not sure what point you’re trying to make. The seat of Catholicism in Europe and American fundamentalists have very few things in common. Even American Catholics have very little crossover with their evangelical counterparts.
The point I’m trying to make is Christianity across the globe is an absurd denial of facts and the observable world. There isn’t really anything more dramatic about American Christians vs Christians in Europe or anywhere else for that matter.
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As an American raised in a religious household who’s extremely familiar with European culture, people, and living; you are unfortunately wrong.
American Christianity is its own brand, and Europe has absolutely nothing like it. Nothing. Not at the scale of US religion absurdity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law
There are parts of Europe where the fanaticism is so entrenched that you can be fined or go to jail for blasphemy.
So I’m seriously doubting your opinion that American Christians are on the whole crazier and more fanatical than Christians anywhere else.
From your source:
What is called “Blasphemy law” here is just protection of religious people, in particular minorities against persecution and incitement of hatred. You know, because last time when it was en vogue in Germany it led to millions of people being exterminated for their (alleged) religious affiliation.
If such a protection is called “Blasphemy law”, the same would have to be said for laws protecting LGBT, disabled people, ethnic minorities and other vulnerable groups.
What they have on the books and what they enforce/how people live, are two very different things.
I appreciate that link, it’s enlightening, I didn’t know some of those countries still had it on their books.
However, the actual people living in Europe (at least Western Europe) ignore pretty much all of that. Everyone blasphemies all the time, nobody cares.
If anyone’s religious, they generally keep it to themselves in the EU.
If they’re religious in the US, they talk about it as if everyone else is as well, and pray for you and will pray to God to heal you from whatever affliction you have.
You pretty much cant’ escape the religious fanaticism that exists in the US from the people. It’s got nothing to do with the laws on the books (yet, but give the Christo-fascists time…), and everything to do with the insanity that is being religious in the US and making it a part of every aspect of your life, and forcing everyone else around you to participate whether they want to or not.
I’ve spent a good bit of time in Europe, and never once, not even remotely, have I ever been asked anything religious or had anyone talk about God, or Jesus, or offer to pray for me, etc.
I met a Tattoo artist the other day that said he’d pray for me and that Jesus can “do all things through Christ” (which I guess is Jesus doing everything through himself?) completely unprompted and without displaying anything other than a plain black t-shirt.
This happens constantly. Everywhere in the US. And if you’re anywhere near a mega church, holy shit, those people are pure insanity. I’ve been to sermons where people are speaking in “tongues” and yelling jibberish, flopping about on the floor during a big tent-revival thing, hitting people to smack the “demons” out of them, screaming and rolling on the ground to escape demons (or praise God, it’s difficult to tell sometimes), etc.
Nothing like that exists in western Europe to my knowledge. Or if it does, nothing even close to the scale it’s displayed in the US exists.
Did you see the picture of the Vatican I posted in comparison to that evangelical weirdo’s little theater in the US? So much for “keeping it to themselves” there is practically a sovereign state for one branch of Christians in Europe.
Man, I’m trying to help out here, but you’re making it difficult by conflating these things.
They are not the same. You seem to be on the same side as everyone else here in terms of disliking/hating organized religion. With you on that. I have a deep, deep, deep hatred and mistrust of that given my upbringing in the US.
However, it is not a fair comparison that the Vatican or the way religion in Western Europe is in any way similar to what’s going on in those evangelical revival tents/places.
I’ve been to and lived in/through both, and so have a lot of people replying to you. It seems like your first hand experience with religion in Western Europe is perhaps extremely limited and you’re looking at extremely superficial similarities (like the opulence of the Vatican or how it’s basically its own country, sort of thing).
It’s tradition. You’re looking at things from the times during the crusades, sort of thing. What’s left in Europe is mostly just traditional religion stuff, that’s more about ceremony and habit than any actual true fanatical belief in anything.
There are no preachers on street corners in Europe that I’ve ever seen or heard of. There’s no big tent revival things. There’s no people shoving their religion down your throat. There’s no crazy mega-church speaking in tongues shit.
That’s largely contained in the US. Whatever superficial similarities you’re seeing between the two regions is just that, superficial.
I encourage you to go over to Europe and visit these sights.
I’ve been to the Vatican. It’s basically just a bunch of money thrown at artists during the Renaissance period because the church had too damn much money. It’s an attraction. It’s a circus. A sideshow.
Even the devout Catholics over there keep it to themselves. They’re science focused (generally), and tend to not let it affect their social discourse too much. Nobody ever asks for your religion over there or assumes you’re a Christian.
Europe has an absolute shitton of non-believers, especially depending on the country we’re talking about (Norway/Finland/Iceland are some of the highest number of Agnostic/Atheists).
There’s not many other ways I can explain this right now other than you are wrong. It’s understandable why you think what you think, because on the surface you could make these connections, but I absolutely promise you, if you were to go and live in Western Europe for even a week or more; you’d learn quickly how little religion plays a part in anyone’s life over there.
I too was raised with religion (Catholicism) in the US, while my wife grew up going to Baptist churches - our childhoods could not have been more different. I was taught that studying science and the processes of observation and inquiry bring you closer to God, while for her the sciences were alternately ignored or lied about. Our family gave into the collection basket of our own will because we believed raising funds for good causes was the right thing to do. Her family was under compulsory tithing - 10% of all income. I was allowed to read whatever books, consume whatever media, and wear whatever I wanted, she was not. The list goes on…
I’m not trying to whitewash Catholicism - it obviously has its own major issues that shouldn’t be ignored, but it’s a far cry from the fundamentalist book burners who my family thought of as zealous nut bags.
That’s because Europe sent us all their religious crazies right at the start.
Most evangelicals think Catholics are devil worshippers, just like Muslims.
The Vatican library has books on how electricity works.
They also have a ton of books saying that the universe was created in 7 days, and that when you take communion, wine and bread are literally transformed into blood and flesh of a zombie diety.
That’s just not really true, for Catholics. Not for a few centuries at least.
Ah yes, because changes in the interpretation of the word of God by mere mortals is different from changing the word of God.
Those weren’t “days” per se, it’s more like undefined segments of time. Humans weren’t literally made of of clay, it’s just a stand-in for god’s brainstorming putty.
Ooh ooh, my turn! God made us in his image, but he doesn’t actually have a dick and balls, or even a real form, but he is definitely a ‘he’ despite not having a biologically defined sex, so God created individually selected pronouns and put them in his bio.
Do you see how all this is absolutely absurd? I just changed the meaning of the “literal word of God” and my reasoning is a concrete as any other interpertation, it simply lacks consensus, (which is not a proof BTW). The idea that mortals can re-write the literal meaning and intent of a omnipotent deity is more absurd than stating that we aren’t really sure where electicty comes from.
I’m an atheist, and that reply is kinda coming off as assholary.
Modern Catholicism has a lot to critique, but their support of science has been really good, especially compared to fundamentalist religions in the US.
As for the explanations for terms (handwaves), I’d say the Talmud started that long ago.
Oh, don’t get me wrong… I think its all absurd. Just mentioning Catholics don’t buy into this tripe anymore.
I went to Italian catholic school from kindergarten to high school and studied dinosaurs and shit, nobody gets to american level of nonsense
My American catholic school taught us that creationism is against catholic doctrine. They also taught the controversy.
My friends who went to public school got less instruction on evolution and their science teachers were obviously creationist while mine barely hid that she thought it was moronic
Yeah, catholic school are generally better about teaching science than other denominations; especially the evangelicals.
All of my friends who went to catholic school had the opposite experience. Evolution was handwaved away as complete nonsense, and God’s benevolence was the answer for why people exist. My public school taught evolution very thoroughly, though none of my science teachers seemed creationist.
Strange. We had just enough Jesuit influence to tell us that God was why, but what and how is best understood through science. Non overlapping magesteria and whatnot.
Now thats not to say they didnt spew some shit. Hell we once got pulled out of class to look at magic bones (internet atheist Latin teacher didn’t like that lol), and our Christian lifestyles class was mostly bigotry and marriage advice, but science class was for understanding the world and the scientific method.
Mostly because American school is about brainwashing, which isn’t the case for the vast majority of everywhere else.
So you’re not Danish, noted.
I know people in my day to day who dont belive the earth is more than 2k years old, who believe there were never “cavemen”, and dinosaurs weren’t real. Baffling. This person is rich and has a ton of land. Education dont mean shit in freedom land.
To be fair, the bible doesn’t have any lessons on how electricity works… /s
Found a site with some more fun excerpts:
1900hotdog.com/…/learning-day-science-4-for-chris…
Fun excerpts and a fun article about them too!
Tide comes in and tide goes out. You can’t explain that.
We have no clue what electricity is, because we, the authors, are dumb as fuck.
And we say noone knows because we can’t imagine anyone could think on their own, and God forbid be smarter than us.
Nobody knew electricity could be so complicated!
Next chapter needs to be: “Fucking magnets, how do they work?”
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I guess we know where ICP got their science education now.
Man, talk about a deep fried JPEG. If it was slightly more blurry with a few more artifacts I wouldn’t be able to read it at all.
I swear I saw somewhere Texas schools gives out these books
When I went to a (private) Christian school our science book was called Undertstanding God’s World and it was pretty wacky. I think I remember it saying dinosaurs and humans lived alongside each other. I also remember being taught plate tectonics was a lie?
Source: Flintstones
A documentary, clearly.
At least we had a gay old time.
I was enrolled in a Christian school for kindergarten through second grade.
I was suspended in first grade because I threw a tantrum over the teacher saying that dinosaur fossils were all fake and created to deceive people into believing evolution. According to her dinosaurs and humans coexisted before the flood, and scientists know this but carve rocks into bone shapes to fool people because atheists are evil.
Naturally, being a dinosaur obsessed little boy, I flat out rejected this hypothesis. My grandmother had taught me to read way above my level, and I read encyclopedia entrees on different dinosaurs before bed every night, often annoying the shit out of grandma because id ask for explanations of sentences from scientific articles as a 6 year old. So after calling the teacher a moron for the fifth time, I was sent home early. When my mother heard my side of the story, she went to the public school the next day and asked for an enrollment form.
Fuck Christian schools. Science is awesome and dinosaurs are cool.
Very punk. I dig it.
Dinosaurs are amazing, especially when they play a suburban family that is a thinly veiled metaphor for 90s America (and to a large extent present day America) and environmentalism.
Thx that right there is why their next goal is the destruction of the public school system.
You can probably safely say plate tectonics is a lie in Texas, and not have to worry about inconvenient earthquakes to explain to the class. Try that in NZ…far more active over here.
We have caught the electricity monster into a circuit and now we need to keep it in a loop.
The electricity monster was caught by Jesus! Why do you think electric poles are all crosses?
Oh my god, energy travels via divine intervention. This is a miracle!
Miracles are all around us, brethren. Sing this hymn and believe…
What in the 2010s CGI clown hell is this 😂
That’s how MRIs work! Superconducting electromagnets.
You see, the electricity monster will lend us its magical “X-ray vision” that doesn’t actually use ionizing radiation like x-rays.
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Obligatory Gremlins 2 Brainstorm Key & Peele sketch
Not only can you see it and feel it, you can also hear and smell it! They have clearly never seen lightning, heard thunder, been electrocuted or smelled the ozone.
lol I’m sure some of us has felt it before.
This is child abuse. Pure and simple.
Reminds me of this
I had never seen that before, thank you
This is the stupidest shit I have heard in my life. Ever seen fucking sparks? Ever had to deal with static electricity? What do they mean they don’t know where electricity comes from? We have power plants and an entire grid to provide electricity. The ways to generate electricity is extremely well known and are common fucking knowledge… I mean I learned it as a kid from cartoons and video games.
Guess there are no Christian electricians then…
I think those ones are call magic smoke workers…
Electricians just need to know how to follow the rules, they don’t need to understand the underlying physics. Engineers, on the other hand…
But we do.
If you don’t have a working knowledge of your craft, how can you apply common sense?
As the generation that I’m from dies out, there goes the knowledge.
Good electricians might understand the theory behind it, but average ones just need to meet code without wasting too much time or materials. And to do that they follow patterns that work, patterns they learn from good electricians (or engineers).
Also, as an outsider, it seems like modern electrical code is designed so electricians don’t need to use common sense. For better or worse…
I refuse to believe that anyone can be this incompetent. What is the strategy here? How would religious extremists profit from creating the “myth” of electricity? I’m more confused than anything else, honestly.
It conditions them into believing that there are powerful and mysterious forces at work in the world that can’t be explained but must be taken on faith. If they get into the habit of looking for answers to questions, they might start asking other inconvenient questions. My sunday school teacher had a similar spiel about how god was like the wind, we couldnt see or touch him but we could see the effects of his actions.
Funny, I heard the exact same explanation for Dark Matter. But the context was ‘so we know, there’s something there, we cannot explain, which is why we need to study more or even rethink what we thought to know about gravity/the universe’. Science is awesome!
Yep.
It boils down to:
Reality is actually magic (ie, fundamentally incomprehensible and inconsistent), and our magic guide book, and my interpretation of said magic guide book, is more correct than any other book or person, because this book says it is, and says it is the bestest magical book, and I am the bestest knower of the magic book.
It is magical thinking, a worldview based on a psuedo reality derived from psuedo logic (where psuedo means ‘fake’, ‘impostor’, ‘sham’), which is a key component of many cults and also severe psychological disorders.
That is really clever. Soften them up slowly but surely. Infest their world view with this nonsense and then one day they will be ready for the sales pitch.
I expect it goes like this: Electricity is real and does things, yet it’s so mysterious and unseen! Just like god!
It’s not incompetence, it’s malice: a way to stupefy, thus, control more easily.
Oh wow. It’s been a long time since just reading a thing made me physically nauseous. I crave for the person responsible for these lies to suffer excruciating punishment. It breaks my heart having to accept that justice is dead and they will very likely never face consequences.
This appears to be stupid, and it is, but it’s mostly evil. Teaching children to accept absurdities and distrust evidence to make them easier to control.
That’s, what religion is about. Religion teaches people to be content with not understanding the world.
That’s bootleg Christianity.
I’ve definitely fucking felt it before, luckily only a little 120VAC tickle, but yea I felt it
You felt god!
I had that feeling… I never did it again. I am lucky it was a split second or I’d be dead.
As a kid, I used to purposely stick my fingers between prongs while plugging Christmas lights in in order to electrocute myself. It’s shocking that I came out from that unscathed.
Eh, you only get a little tickle from that. Now completing a circuit across your chest is a doozy. Would not recommend.
Electrocution is electric execution. Assuming you’re still alive, you shocked yourself. Pet peeve of a former electrician, forgive me.
I share your pain. In EMS, I have to bite my tongue on every “electrocution” call.
Tide comes in tide goes out. Can’t explain that.
My Catholic school is more grounded to reality than this.
If it’s grounded then there should be no safety risk
Grounded? That sounds like electricity talk, or should I say WITCHCRAFT?!
Lightning comes from Zeus and Thor. Obviously. /s
Obviously /s because Perun is the god of lightning and thunder
Thor’s the god of thunder, not lightning.
That’s a bit more pedantic than the old Norse were.
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We homeschooled our kids for non-religious reasons. Most of the commercially available books, materials and curriculums were Christian oriented. While I am a Christian (although not a conservative) I found some of the materials just flat out intellectually insulting, factually incorrect, extremely biased (without the benefit of scriptural justification) and the above example is far from the worst of what I saw. It says a LOT about where your faith actually lies if you have to promote a false reality to justify it.
Wait so the above is actually real? And there are worse things in existence?
Wtf…
The irony is that such fundamentalists rely on so much engineering, built on layers of scientific research, for what they do (like eating. And housing. And recruitment. And printing and distributing that textbook), and… yeah. It’d be like a flat-earther in orbit. It’s beyond ironic: it’s just not a possible situation without the help of outsiders refuting that belief.
I have a lot more respect for the Amish, isolated monks, folks that take their beliefs seriously and consistently in their lifestyle.
We briefly homeschooled during the pandemic, and like you we’re non-conservative Christians. When our Christian friends asked about our curriculum, they always wrinkled their noses at the fact that it said “secular curriculum” on the cover. We told them, “you don’t understand how weird the home school curriculum business is. Trust me, it’s way easier to take this curriculum and add the values we want to impart than to take all the Christian nationalism out of the religious curriculum.”
My brother and sister-in-law homeschooled their kids for a while, which was a bit out of character for them. It turned out they were actually sending them to a private school that was technically “home schooling” because the parents taught the kids at home one day out of the week using school-provided materials and the kids were at the school the other four days. That one day a week allowed the technical “home schooling” designation and also allowed the school to use non-state-certified teachers (with the added bonus of being able to pay them hourly and only for four days of work a week). And all of this was only marginally cheaper than normal private schools. My bro and SIL eventually realized how shitty this was all around and moved into a good school district - which was way cheaper than private schools.
But also;
How do you reconcile these two viewpoints?
“It’s all bollocks, but I still believe it.”
There’s nothing fundamentally christian about the text in the picture above, it’s just nonsense propaganda. The whole science vs religion thing is frankly bollocks too - science shouldn’t be arguing about religion it’s fundamentally incompatible. OP can believe in a god, believe in an afterlife - science has nothing to say on the subject, it’s not testable, it’s not falsifiable it’s got absolutely nothing to do with science.
I think gp is referring to the fact that there is soooo much in the Bible that defies science that is taken as truth.
I was thinking about how to reply here in a meaningful way but I think your response encapsulates the core of it pretty well. Lots more I could say, but would lead to long essay and probably of limited interest to the topic at hand.
Ah yeah man, I feel ya. One thing I don’t really get is why there’s a subset of Christianity that wants to be so combative - like all that needs to be said is “well, yes, that’s pretty clever - of course god would do it that way” or “in this we better understand our maker” instead of trying to belittle what is a clearly useful and widely applied modelling tool.
as a person from across the ocean, i don’t get this. why would there be need for some different curriculum for homeschooling, and why would the choice depend on the parent? how is it possible you just get to chose? don’t you have to comply with some general standard? here, home-schooling is extremely rare, but if someone undergoes it, they have to use the same textbooks as everyone else and from time to time pass some exams in school to be sure the kid is not behind its peers.
Claude François : am I a joke to you ?
I have heard, felt, tasted and smelt electricity and all that was required was a lack of self-preservation
Mehdi, is that you…?
This is for real? How is it even legal?
Murica
Apparently it is real. Wild
This just in, no one has ever seen lightning, and if you say you have, we’ll have to burn you at the stake to protect the children.
what are frogs
A mystery.
Gay.
When they want to feel it, they should take a bath with a plugged in toaster.
And with the dismantling of the US Department of education, things are going to get a lot, lot worse.
This is from 1976 (uncertain if this specific passage was change from the original run though)
The US education system has been slowly, but surely gutted since then
Conservatism needs its masses of ignorant and near-illiterate electorate who cannot think for themselves and cannot use critical thinking to realize how badly they are being hoodwinked. This hollowing out of the educational system has been done on purpose to bulk up the Republican electorate.
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My brother in America I have felt electricity and I can say exactly what it’s like.
If you still don’t believe though I will gladly share the secret of how to feel it for yourself. You need only bring a fork.
Just live somewhere that 220 is the standard.
Not as fun
You’ll feel it once…
Nah, I got rattled quite a number of times.
For a preview that’s way way too low touch a dodgy HDMI cable, a finger will suffice if you want to feel electricity and with your tongue if you ran out of 9v bats.
That’s not a dodgy HDMI cable. One of the devices, if multiple are connected together, is causing the mains electricity to be capacitively transferred across the transformer core in the power supply.
That’s a dodgy power supply design because of either a cheap core design, poorly rated decoupling caps across the HV to LV side of the core or lack of earth pin.
I assume it is dodgy because it is a 5 meter cable and it was the only HDMI cable to do this, and it was purchased from a bazaar.
You mean like America?
youtu.be/jMmUoZh3Hq4
never miss a chance to link TCI do
9V battery and tongue, or electric fence
I’m curious what they think a lightning strike is.
god playing craps with the lizard king, who is always below the earth’s crust right at the moment when lightning is striking the ground.
Fuck listening to science about how “Lightning is a natural phenomenon consisting of electrostatic discharges occurring through the atmosphere between two electrically charged regions. One or both regions are within the atmosphere, with the second region sometimes occurring on the ground. Following the lightning, the regions become partially or wholly electrically neutralized.”
This sounds so much better. What reminds when either one of them roll snake eyes?
As a sub-par professional electrician, i have definitely felt electricity.
Seen it, too!
I was homeschooled my entire childhood. My mom was a Christian. Not a crazy zealot, just a woman with faith. Initially, my school books were through a Christian curriculum program (I believe abeka books, iirc). One of my textbooks had this module on dinosaurs, with little pictures of humans in leopard print look clothes picking berries while a brontosaurus walked by in the background. My mom, ever the fantastic mother, immediately tossed those pieces of garbage and got me on the state curriculum that the public schools used. Took her forever to get it. Initially, when she called the state to ask how to get those resources she was told to stick with abeka, and was offered several other insane religious options before they finally relented. From then on, even though we lived in Virginia, my school standard came out of California, and I had to take end of year tests that aligned with the state of California. I got a great education, and because Mama let me basically choose what hours of the day I did my schoolwork in, I didn’t really need to take summers off. Ended up finishing 12th grade at 14 years old. I am so thankful that she realized how bad those books were, and fought to make sure, even as a single mother working well over full time, that her kids got a good education. My brother and I both placed highest in the state when we took our final exams, in everything but math.
If only my mom had had half the motivation to look after my education as yours did. Hell, even a tenth.
I didn’t do bad, but I could’ve done much better weren’t it for the hindrances that mom didn’t care about.
This sounds similar to my childhood. Glad to know there are others. Growing up like that, I didn’t understand the stigma around homeschooling, however, seeing how some of my homeschool “peers” around me turned out, we’re a fraction of a fraction my friend. Thanks for sharing.
What a coincidence! I had a very similar path! My elementary mis-education was largely a fundie school using Abeka as well. Their weird religious nationalism was so crazy when I look back on it. It’s amazing they could actually publish this crap.
I wish I still had all the old books we had to get because that would make for a good laugh (and possibly an embarrassment campaign.)
Like c’mon we were kids how were we supposed to know? But also it just felt so bullshitty, like a written form of that awkward feeling you got when it was really obvious adults were lying to manipulate you and thought you were stupid.
It was in California, so eventually I had to move to the state curriculum also, around middle school, for my grades to actually count.
Honestly, that requirement saved my intellect. I went to a secular charter school where I was pushed into interacting with so many different people of different perspectives, and I would be a much crappier person without that experience.
Even today the damage isn’t gone, there’s still so much untangling and deprogramming to do.
These “curriculums” are child abuse.
After all that, I still kept my faith, not because of that upbringing, but in spite of it. That being said, I’m a Christian anarchist now. I make a point to counter this anti-intellectual, anti-Jesus, pro-fascist propaganda mongering wherever I can.
For what it’s worth. . .I’m glad we both made it through the other side of being exposed to that slop.
Damn! Fellow Homeschooled Abeka-refugee, and a fellow Christian anarchist‽ Well met! In fairness, my religion’s all over the place, but Christian anarchism is a big part of it.
it stunts their development while assuring them they have all the answers. funny, this is a recurring theme in religion that I see…
Elec-trickery!
Jesus…
He’s done enough damage, thank you
Those Romans had the right idea.
nailed it
The next generation… Uneducated dombassrs
second verse, same as the first!
ISBN please— full title and author will help too
1591664233
Bought it. Hard cover.
You’re gonna "unzip* when it arrives, aren’t you?? 🤣
Fuckin magnets, how do they work?
Magic.
Well, since you asked…
youtu.be/cb9pdRjbQRo
De-energize an electrical panel, remove the panel covers, energize it and let them fuck around and find out.
Now, i usually don’t advocate for book burning, but this one is making a compelling case
slow down there bud. burning the book would release co2 to the atmosphere and only return ashes and heat.
RECYCLING THE BOOK enables it to have a chance at being a better book, a book not fulla shit. a book someone should read. The tree that was cut down to make these ridiculous pages deserves better.
But send a few copies to foreign museums. So your descendants in about a 1000 years can study their history ✊😅
This genuinely feels like a bit from Look Around You
What are birds? We just don’t know.
Came here to say exactly the same. Experiment Two.
Replace ‘electricity’ with ‘wind’ and/or ‘moving air’ and/or ‘breath’, and now you understand what Proto-Judaic Canaanites circa 800 BCE thought ‘spirit’ was.
I somehow have the feeling that this is simply ragebait… if not, well… can someone please take away the printing press from those people? Please?
Unfortunately, this appears to be real.
Yeah it’s not
I mean, this particular image might be, I don’t know for sure, bit the content? Yeah, that’s what the Bible thumpers wants taught.
Fuck Christianity, fuck all religions, it’s the main cause of most of all suffering in world history
America is fucking weird… you guys build the first atomic bomb and brought a man to the moon and then something like THAT appears.
Regarding religion, well, I had a catholic upbringing and nobody, really nobody would have teached some horseshit like that.
American Evangelical Christianity is what most of Lemmy users seem to really hate. They know nothing about Orthodox or other kinds of Christianity.
It’s worth remembering that this is not the type of textbook used in American public schools and most American students do not attend weird private religious schools. I was also raised as a Catholic and learning about science (including evolution through natural selection, of course) was always encouraged. Evangelicals are nuts.
JFC, it’s real. Someone posted a link to purchase the book off Amazon below. I’m gobsmacked.
So where does that put people who have been electrified? Did they simply die of terror because they thought they had grasped a live wire?
God called their souls home. Of course. HE works in mysterious ways but we do live in His universe and we have to trust His wisdom.
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www.bjupress.com/about/
Looking back when I was growing up I think the most nefarious thing about books like this is that printing gave a lot of implied legitimacy because it was expensive to print a book.
Speaks to how much money these people had to miseducate people.
Found it
archive.org/details/science4forchris00watk
Yep, real science
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You know, back in time before the dark ages, Christianity was very scientific. Science was a tool that god gave to humans to understand the world they live in.
And now it’s scawwy
Yes, monks are authors of scientific works, but as said, only if it not denies the Dogma (if they don’t wanted to burn) , also not accessible by the people and only for the elites, apart it wasn’t really science how we understand it now, it was more a process to adapt theories to fit the Dogma. But they invent also very nice things, eg. in the middle age, a number system to write numbers fro 1 to 9999 in one sign by Cistercian monks.
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This is brilliant! Now finish it by making 100000 a “knot” by making it like 99999 but fill in the missing side bars. Then start a new hundred thousand knot by using a hyphen. So 100001 would be [knot]-[1]
Now we just need to get rid of computers, typewriters and technology so this can be rightly appreciated.
This looks like tunics language
omg it’s real? 🤣
I have seen electric, it’s blue and I have even felt it, it hurts. Also I know where it comes from, it comes from the walls, there’s an electric sockets for it.
Boom! Science, bitch! drops mic
Index Tome 5
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Meanwhile banned Books in Schools (Dangerous stuff)
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I’m understanding more and more how a stupid pedo_asshole can be voted as president by so much people.
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Has anyone actually read any of those books?
I feel like pretty much everyone who reads them is only doing so out of spite. I don’t think anyone has ever really wanted to read Fahrenheit 451.
I read 1984 (as an adult) and really enjoyed it, I’m not sure enjoyed is the right word, as it was also pretty sad. I can highly recommend the book. Animal farm I read for English class when I was 15 (in the Netherlands), didn’t fully get it, and should probably read it again, knowing its meaning.
I saw also the movie, also a movie with similar content, Equilibrium. 451ºF is the temperatur when Paper begins to burn.
Apparently this is not actually true, paper will burn at much lower temperatures than that which when you think about it is kind of obvious, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to set paper on fire with a lit match, you would need an accelerant, as wood starts burning at 400F.
The title is refered to the temperature needed to burn books. “Who burn books, soon also burn people”.
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Currently very actual in the US
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I’ve read most of them and they’re mostly great, only one I read I didn’t really like was Catcher in the Rye. Fahrenheit 451 is a classic, I’ve read it of my own free will.
No offense dude but you kind of just sound like a teenager going “reading is dumb”.
Just so because something is a classic doesn’t mean it’s good or that most people have read them, it just means that people have decided that it’s an important work.
Electricity is the flow of electrons, (negative charge,) caused by one substance gaining electrons, and one substance losing electrons in a redox reaction. The thing that is oxidized loses electrons, and the substance that is reduced gains electrons. Oxidation is visible in nature via Rust. Water and oxygen gain electrons that are lost by the pure iron creating an iron oxide that is reddish brown. (Batteries have a + and - sign, hooking them up into a loop with a device creates the electricity that powers the device. Everyday batteries utilize zinc and a magnese oxide, but there are many other types of materials that are used in other types of batteries.) 25 years of this Christian faith homeschool bullshit; pretty clear why these dipshits voted trump.
It’s not needed to explain electricity here, but needed to ban the Bible and religious faith from science and academic books in the US, because the US has too much (weapon) power in the world to let it in the hands of stupid and ignorant creationist people. 50% of cientifics in the US are foreigners and with the Trump policy and cuts of supports, a lot of these are leaving the US (4.000 from the NASA)-
www.thechristianmyth.com/creationist-nonsense/
Ehhh… That can’t be right. And we gotta teach both sides.
Used to live across the street from a Freewill Baptist Church.
Always curious about other beings mindsets, went and attended a service.
Walked through the main door and felt the trope of crickets chirping. No one greeted me, said hello, welcome, nothing. I was stared at but never acknowledged.
The service was strictly talking. No hyms or singing.
The sermon told me they are creationists that believe “Singing and dancing lead to temptation”.
Point is their “educational materials” were horrifying. Mostly just fear mongering and advising self segregation from reality.
How full was the church?
You called other people beings and that feels odd to me for some reason.
Why is there a 4th book? The way this book teaches, they don’t even need a class.
They have several tomes more, in the 4th Science there are totak 3 formulas (Area, Volumen, Speed of light) but 32 Bibel quotes. No more needed to make Anerica great again.
And they think we’re the brainwashed ones. lmao
Fancy believing in electrons.
You must be some kind of primitive
Are you suggesting that he’s related to a primate?! Heathen! Blasphemy! Stone him!