This is only mind blowing because popular media likes to show every dinosaur at once. Like there’s a lot of things depicting stegosaurus fighting T-Rex; but these animals never would have met. They’re from entirely different periods.
chuymatt@startrek.website
on 18 Mar 11:19
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There were still mammoth when the pyramids were being built.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 16:31
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This makes me wonder if there is any possibility that someone who worked on the pyramids knew what roast mammoth tasted like. I suspect the possibility is 0 due to geography, but maybe someone got sick of being cold and happened to be an architect?
From wikipedia: A fossil (from Classical Latin fossilis, lit. ‘obtained by digging’)[1] is any preserved remains, impression, or trace of any once-living thing from a past geological age.
Answer: yes. It does count. Specifically carbonization.
Personal take: when I think of a “fossil”, I think of the stereotypical mineralized bones. Like the T-Rex in the museum of natural history that most people have seen from various movies and TV shows. Thinking of human and human predecessor bones as fossils is just weird to me.
Okay so even though I read all this last night, I somehow missed the “2000 - (-2000) years” thus making the current geological age around 4000 years, and technically Pompeii would not count in the strictest definition. That said, had it happened 4,000 years ago, absolutely nothing would have changed. All the stuff would still be carbonized.
Also from Wikipedia in the (geological age) article: An age is the smallest hierarchical geochronologic unit. It is equivalent to a chronostratigraphic stage.[14][13] There are 96 formal and five informal ages.[2] The current age is the Meghalayan.
So again the answer is “yes it counts” but my personal take is “it feels weird to consider 4,000-10,000 ago multiple different geologic ages”
Reading through Geologic time scale, it defines an age as equivalent to a chronostratigraphic stage, which it says are normally millions of years. But you’re right, interestingly the current Meghalayan age only started 4,200 years ago.
It seems all the recent ages are only a few thousand years each (until 2018 the last 10,000 or so were one age, but this was split in three in 2018).
After all that reading I still didn’t really understand how they decided that this was a new age.
But anyway, I agree there isn’t going to be any difference between 2,000 and 4,000 years so we might as well consider Pompeii fossilised even if not strictly true under the definition. I’m just surprised we consider anything within human history to be a previous geological age, but it seems we do.
If you like fun but also well-researched stories about people living in pre-modern times, you might also enjoy the weird medieval guys podcast :) They actually did an episode on fossils recently. Another funny story they mention is the one of Johann Beringer’s “Lying Stones”.
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 01:03
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Well, there are plenty of hominid fossils and we humans are plentiful.
It is more chronologically accurate to show a t-rex being hit by a car than it is to show a t-rex eating a stegosaurus
irish_link@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 01:17
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This is the comparison I was looking for. It’s great to explain that media shows them together but untrue, it is a totally different idea to explain the staggering time difference between the two.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Mar 01:48
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I said I’m sorry. But if you’re going to let your T-Rex out at night you should at least put a reflective collar on it.
Frozengyro@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 02:16
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Hi, I was just calling because I live down the street from you, and your daughter come to my house today and she kick my t-rex.
Your daughter come to my house today, And she come on my property and then she kick my t-rex. And now my t-rex needs operation.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Mar 02:49
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The only interaction I’ve seen between a T-Rex and a collar is that one scene from The Lost World. Based on what I saw there, I have to assume that collars wouldn’t really work for them.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone
on 18 Mar 06:03
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Is it a self-driving car?
LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe
on 18 Mar 06:50
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I don’t remember that episode of the Flintstones
Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Mar 08:53
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And people mocked me for my human-tyrannosaur slashfic on ao3. Well, who’s laughing now?
This meme made me gasp loud enough that my girlfriend was worried something was wrong.
Then I had to explain that I’m 41 years old and was just shocked by a dinosaur fact.
fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Mar 01:45
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To be fair, things can fossilise very quickly given ideal conditions. Still dinosaurs reigned for a lot more time than mammals and frankly nature is still feeling the loss in certain ways.
Another fun fact (dino facts are the best facts): There are more “dinosaur” species alive today than there are mammal species.
11,000 bird species alive today (approx)
6,000 mammal species alive today (approx)
PixelPinecone@lemmy.today
on 18 Mar 06:23
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Who is “they” and why do they have “all bats”? Also, what’s an all bat?
On a more serious note, I didn’t know most bird species were bats. That’s wild.
fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Mar 01:52
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Also, my favourite fact is we know almost nothing about dinosaurs from jungles and mountains. Most of our knowledge comes from wetland and oceanic creatures because of the way fossils are formed.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 16:11
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For some reason, I don’t entirely believe you. Might be the whole God of Madness thing. You turning back into Jyggalag anytime soon? I’d like to know when to short the shit out of the entire market.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Mar 06:16
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I know there’s some animal fossils in New Zealand that date back to its colonization by the ancestors of the Maori, so about the 1400s. Though I don’t know if they are partially or fully fossilized.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de
on 18 Mar 06:19
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Your teeth can fossilise while they’re still in your mouth. We call it tartar.
Which makes me ask, why were mammals able to evolve to produce an apex predator that relies on it’s inventiveness (Humans) in quite a short time, but no similar “dinosaur” got to that point in a much longer period?
We’re searching planets for signs of life as a pre-cursor to intelligent life, but there’s no guarantee that life will evolve in the same direction as ours.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 16:02
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Corvids and psittacines display human child level intelligence. They use tools. They recognize other people. Hell the psittacines can mimic speech.
I personally suspect it’s a matter of energy density. Birds have to use almost all of their available calories on flying. Doesn’t leave a lot of energy left over for a massively hungry brain. No clue what’s holding back penguins, emus, and cassowaries.
Birds have to use almost all of their available calories on flying.
But flying is quite energy efficient as a method of getting from point A to point B. That’s why flying insects and birds have had such evolutionary success with that strategy.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 16:35
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Is it though? They have to eat an absolute ton relative to their own mass. At least all the birds I’ve ever interacted with were constantly eating, even when they mostly didn’t bother flying. Chicken soccer is what I called feeding the chickens. No patience whatsoever.
My mother used to say that her sons eat like birds, a peck at a time, and twice our own body weight daily.
While we humans eat a lot, something like 50% of our calories are going to our brains. I’m not sure most birds could actually increase their caloric intake enough to be able to evolve bigger brains than they already have. Maybe if we designed them some super foods, but that seems to be cheating, to me.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
on 18 Mar 16:51
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…something like 50% of our calories are going to our brains.
Dang, I’ll have to remember this next time my ADHD pushes me to hyperfocus and I risk skipping meals again. O.O
While we humans eat a lot, something like 50% of our calories are going to our brains.
I don’t think that’s right.
This article says that about 20% of an adult human male’s resting energy expenditure goes towards supporting the brain’s metabolism. Obviously for more active people, the higher denominator of total energy expenditure will mean an even lower percentage of energy being used for the human brain.
Flying is energetically expensive to start doing, but pays off in efficiency once an animal moves a far enough distance. How many calories does a goose need to consume to fly 4000 km, and how does that compare to terrestrial species like deer or wolves?
YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 09:02
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My mother used to say that her sons eat like birds, a peck at a time, and twice our own body weight daily.
Aw that’s cute lol
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk
on 18 Mar 22:27
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Most birds are extremely light and efficient. Their bones have evolved to be light weight to help with this. Some species even fly in a V formation to conserve energy.
Evolution doesn’t mean get better or smarter. It just means the species can survive and keep reproducing. Emperor Penguins in Antarctica for example, where they nest in a place where there are no predators. It seems insane the hardship and their silly walk which takes forever. But it works.
fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 18 Mar 17:01
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Now you get it. :)
Chakravanti@monero.town
on 18 Mar 18:28
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The difference is that they decided not to be parasitic narcissistic global suicide “apex” who gave no fucks, literally, about our will-no-longer-exist “children.”
You’re so narcissistic you will refuse to admit that they weren’t stupid. The very way you will chose to be exactly that by denying the obvious as I lay it out so blatantly that your ego cries and denies ad infinitum.
Edit: Yeah and it’s okay. Those downvotes will save anyone’s life on this planet. Adiós!
Evolution isn’t aimed. A T-Rex needs to be good enough to hunt enough food.
Our ancient ancestors smashed the skulls of animals killed by African predators to eat the brains, smashed bones to eat the marrow.
Later as our ancestors became bigger and stronger they hunted and needed to communicate with each other to effectively track and take down an animal. Maybe they needed twenty words. Chickens have three words (or cluck patterns)
At the same time women collected stuff and needed to share how to identify this from that with younger women. They might have needed a hundred words.
Then those who could talk better were more attractive to the other sex than those who couldn’t (even now being well spoken is attractive) then a few millions of years later we’re making stone knives, hammers, axes; then ten minutes later aeroplanes and machine guns
In short: we had it hard enough we needed to share information. We later found communication sexy. T-Rex had no such trouble. We seem to be the only animal that solved “scavenging is dangerous” and “hunting is hard” with talking to each other rather than by getting bigger and getting claws or vicious teeth
I understand we selected for tall by fighting humans
I realise that, but the use of tools and sharing of ideas may well have had advantages against the T-Rex. Just as I’m sure they’ve helped us against things that would eat or kill us.
We seem to be the only animal that solved “scavenging is dangerous” and “hunting is hard” with talking to each other rather than by getting bigger and getting claws or vicious teeth
Right, but why are we the only ones to solve it that way? Some lesser “dinosaur” could have evolved tactics to fight bigger predators through basic weapons (sharp sticks), but no evidence of that exists.
An advantage is an advantage, so I think it’s reasonable to ask why mammals and not murder chickens came up with it.
nothacking@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Mar 14:21
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YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 08:59
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It says:
Sure, T. rex is closer in height to Stegosaurus than a sparrow. But that doesn’t tell you much; ‘Dinosaur Comics’ author Ryan North is closer in height to certain dinosaurs than to the average human.
😂
As a tall person I feel cooler now
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 15:36
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Birds are considered to be dinosaurs. Birds exist now. We are finding dinosaur fossils now.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 18 Mar 15:59
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That’s what the XKCD that was posted says. Mostly.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
on 19 Mar 09:06
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OK, now I’m imagining dinosaur archaeologists (monocles and brushes, not bullwhips and quips).
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This is only mind blowing because popular media likes to show every dinosaur at once. Like there’s a lot of things depicting stegosaurus fighting T-Rex; but these animals never would have met. They’re from entirely different periods.
<img alt="" src="https://artworks.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/299414-2.jpg">
How dare you suggest DinoTrux lied to us!!!
You can tell because non of them has feathers.
If gasoline is made from dinosaurs, what did the Dinotrux run on?
The blood of their enemies!!!
Drugs.
<img alt="" src="https://simkl.in/episodes/71/7124070bd6e741ed7_w.jpg">
Jurassic drugs!
DinoTrux drove the earth for such a long time BP Oil^®^ existed while DinoTrux drove the earth.
We live closer to the time of T-Rex than T-Rex lived to the time of Stegosaurus.
67 million years separate us from T-Rex.
83 million years separate T-Rex from Stegosaurus. (150 million years between us and Stegosaurus)
Wtf 🤯
on a similar note: When cleopatra lived, the pyramids were already ancient
Cleopatra lived closer to t-rex than us
Woah
You were born after cleopatra died 🫠🤑👻
Follow me for more Greece facts.
how? cleopatra was born in 69 BC, last trex died around 65 million years ago
What i meant is that cleopatra was closer in time to t-rex than we are to t-rex
Technically correct, just as yesterday was closer to the formation of the moon than today is.
Only if we assume they can’t be ressurected
There were still mammoth when the pyramids were being built.
This makes me wonder if there is any possibility that someone who worked on the pyramids knew what roast mammoth tasted like. I suspect the possibility is 0 due to geography, but maybe someone got sick of being cold and happened to be an architect?
There are people around right now who know how roast mammoth tastes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
Does getting buried in pumice count as becoming a fossil? Because Pompeii was only a couple thousand years ago.
From wikipedia: A fossil (from Classical Latin fossilis, lit. ‘obtained by digging’)[1] is any preserved remains, impression, or trace of any once-living thing from a past geological age.
Answer: yes. It does count. Specifically carbonization.
Personal take: when I think of a “fossil”, I think of the stereotypical mineralized bones. Like the T-Rex in the museum of natural history that most people have seen from various movies and TV shows. Thinking of human and human predecessor bones as fossils is just weird to me.
Is Pompeii from a past geological age?
2000 years ago doesn’t seem important on geological time scales.
Okay so even though I read all this last night, I somehow missed the “2000 - (-2000) years” thus making the current geological age around 4000 years, and technically Pompeii would not count in the strictest definition. That said, had it happened 4,000 years ago, absolutely nothing would have changed. All the stuff would still be carbonized.
Also from Wikipedia in the (geological age) article: An age is the smallest hierarchical geochronologic unit. It is equivalent to a chronostratigraphic stage.[14][13] There are 96 formal and five informal ages.[2] The current age is the Meghalayan.So again the answer is “yes it counts” but my personal take is “it feels weird to consider 4,000-10,000 ago multiple different geologic ages”Reading through Geologic time scale, it defines an age as equivalent to a chronostratigraphic stage, which it says are normally millions of years. But you’re right, interestingly the current Meghalayan age only started 4,200 years ago.
It seems all the recent ages are only a few thousand years each (until 2018 the last 10,000 or so were one age, but this was split in three in 2018).
After all that reading I still didn’t really understand how they decided that this was a new age.
But anyway, I agree there isn’t going to be any difference between 2,000 and 4,000 years so we might as well consider Pompeii fossilised even if not strictly true under the definition. I’m just surprised we consider anything within human history to be a previous geological age, but it seems we do.
[off topic]
The Gryphon’s Skull is a fun read. Two Greek traders, circa 300 BC, discover a dinosaur fossil…
bookshop.org/p/books/…/8156325?ean=9781612421421&…
If you like fun but also well-researched stories about people living in pre-modern times, you might also enjoy the weird medieval guys podcast :) They actually did an episode on fossils recently. Another funny story they mention is the one of Johann Beringer’s “Lying Stones”.
Well, there are plenty of hominid fossils and we humans are plentiful.
It is more chronologically accurate to show a t-rex being hit by a car than it is to show a t-rex eating a stegosaurus
This is the comparison I was looking for. It’s great to explain that media shows them together but untrue, it is a totally different idea to explain the staggering time difference between the two.
I said I’m sorry. But if you’re going to let your T-Rex out at night you should at least put a reflective collar on it.
Hi, I was just calling because I live down the street from you, and your daughter come to my house today and she kick my t-rex.
Your daughter come to my house today, And she come on my property and then she kick my t-rex. And now my t-rex needs operation.
How cruel.
My T-Rex ist mostly armless
That would be a knee slapper if I could reach.
We don’t know you
The only interaction I’ve seen between a T-Rex and a collar is that one scene from The Lost World. Based on what I saw there, I have to assume that collars wouldn’t really work for them.
Is it a self-driving car?
I don’t remember that episode of the Flintstones
And people mocked me for my human-tyrannosaur slashfic on ao3. Well, who’s laughing now?
You made me scroll up to the picture again, looking for a T-Rex or a car
This meme made me gasp loud enough that my girlfriend was worried something was wrong.
Then I had to explain that I’m 41 years old and was just shocked by a dinosaur fact.
To be fair, things can fossilise very quickly given ideal conditions. Still dinosaurs reigned for a lot more time than mammals and frankly nature is still feeling the loss in certain ways.
americanforests.org/…/the-trees-that-miss-the-mam…
Another fun fact (dino facts are the best facts): There are more “dinosaur” species alive today than there are mammal species.
11,000 bird species alive today (approx)
6,000 mammal species alive today (approx)
And their all bats.
Who is “they” and why do they have “all bats”? Also, what’s an all bat?
On a more serious note, I didn’t know most bird species were bats. That’s wild.
Also, my favourite fact is we know almost nothing about dinosaurs from jungles and mountains. Most of our knowledge comes from wetland and oceanic creatures because of the way fossils are formed.
Forty-one?! You’re practically a fossil!
So, technically there could be a paleantology dinosaur?
Yes, just like there are archeologists digging human fossilized bones now.
Paleosaurus (that’s a real word)
Well, there are human fossiles aswell and we have been here for a pretty short time.
Speed running fucking it up too
There are fossilized humans. Fossilization really doesn’t take that much time, geologically speaking; it just requires very specific conditions.
About how much time are we talkin here?
Where are the bodies?
Where’s Rachel!?
Where are the other drugs going?
I don’t know, swear to God
For some reason, I don’t entirely believe you. Might be the whole God of Madness thing. You turning back into Jyggalag anytime soon? I’d like to know when to short the shit out of the entire market.
I know there’s some animal fossils in New Zealand that date back to its colonization by the ancestors of the Maori, so about the 1400s. Though I don’t know if they are partially or fully fossilized.
Your teeth can fossilise while they’re still in your mouth. We call it tartar.
Human species before H. Sapiens
Homer Sapiens?
No homo, but the H is for homo
Also makes you wonder what fossils they mean, of the same species or then already extinct ones.
Because according to a quick Wikipedia search the oldest hominid fossils (?) are something like 7 millions years old
That’s much much shorter than dinosaurs where around but hey " hominins are around long enough to unearth hominin fossils"!
Also, water you are drinking has probably been peed by dinosaure. Several time. But probably not peed by a human.
guzzles water
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/702f9dba-64ec-4492-a3dc-538ff77db5b3.jpeg">
Second relevant xkcd of the comments what-if.xkcd.com/74/
Which makes me ask, why were mammals able to evolve to produce an apex predator that relies on it’s inventiveness (Humans) in quite a short time, but no similar “dinosaur” got to that point in a much longer period?
We’re searching planets for signs of life as a pre-cursor to intelligent life, but there’s no guarantee that life will evolve in the same direction as ours.
Corvids and psittacines display human child level intelligence. They use tools. They recognize other people. Hell the psittacines can mimic speech.
I personally suspect it’s a matter of energy density. Birds have to use almost all of their available calories on flying. Doesn’t leave a lot of energy left over for a massively hungry brain. No clue what’s holding back penguins, emus, and cassowaries.
But flying is quite energy efficient as a method of getting from point A to point B. That’s why flying insects and birds have had such evolutionary success with that strategy.
Is it though? They have to eat an absolute ton relative to their own mass. At least all the birds I’ve ever interacted with were constantly eating, even when they mostly didn’t bother flying. Chicken soccer is what I called feeding the chickens. No patience whatsoever.
My mother used to say that her sons eat like birds, a peck at a time, and twice our own body weight daily.
While we humans eat a lot, something like 50% of our calories are going to our brains. I’m not sure most birds could actually increase their caloric intake enough to be able to evolve bigger brains than they already have. Maybe if we designed them some super foods, but that seems to be cheating, to me.
Dang, I’ll have to remember this next time my ADHD pushes me to hyperfocus and I risk skipping meals again. O.O
I don’t think that’s right.
This article says that about 20% of an adult human male’s resting energy expenditure goes towards supporting the brain’s metabolism. Obviously for more active people, the higher denominator of total energy expenditure will mean an even lower percentage of energy being used for the human brain.
Flying is energetically expensive to start doing, but pays off in efficiency once an animal moves a far enough distance. How many calories does a goose need to consume to fly 4000 km, and how does that compare to terrestrial species like deer or wolves?
Aw that’s cute lol
Most birds are extremely light and efficient. Their bones have evolved to be light weight to help with this. Some species even fly in a V formation to conserve energy.
Evolution doesn’t mean get better or smarter. It just means the species can survive and keep reproducing. Emperor Penguins in Antarctica for example, where they nest in a place where there are no predators. It seems insane the hardship and their silly walk which takes forever. But it works.
Now you get it. :)
The difference is that they decided not to be parasitic narcissistic global suicide “apex” who gave no fucks, literally, about our will-no-longer-exist “children.”
You’re so narcissistic you will refuse to admit that they weren’t stupid. The very way you will chose to be exactly that by denying the obvious as I lay it out so blatantly that your ego cries and denies ad infinitum.
Edit: Yeah and it’s okay. Those downvotes will save anyone’s life on this planet. Adiós!
Evolution isn’t aimed. A T-Rex needs to be good enough to hunt enough food.
Our ancient ancestors smashed the skulls of animals killed by African predators to eat the brains, smashed bones to eat the marrow.
Later as our ancestors became bigger and stronger they hunted and needed to communicate with each other to effectively track and take down an animal. Maybe they needed twenty words. Chickens have three words (or cluck patterns)
At the same time women collected stuff and needed to share how to identify this from that with younger women. They might have needed a hundred words.
Then those who could talk better were more attractive to the other sex than those who couldn’t (even now being well spoken is attractive) then a few millions of years later we’re making stone knives, hammers, axes; then ten minutes later aeroplanes and machine guns
In short: we had it hard enough we needed to share information. We later found communication sexy. T-Rex had no such trouble. We seem to be the only animal that solved “scavenging is dangerous” and “hunting is hard” with talking to each other rather than by getting bigger and getting claws or vicious teeth
I understand we selected for tall by fighting humans
Weird to leave at animals like crows with that last one.
I realise that, but the use of tools and sharing of ideas may well have had advantages against the T-Rex. Just as I’m sure they’ve helped us against things that would eat or kill us.
Right, but why are we the only ones to solve it that way? Some lesser “dinosaur” could have evolved tactics to fight bigger predators through basic weapons (sharp sticks), but no evidence of that exists.
An advantage is an advantage, so I think it’s reasonable to ask why mammals and not murder chickens came up with it.
xkcd.com/1211/
There’s always a relevant xkcd
The popup text on that one is quite funny.
Any idea how to access the pop-up text on a phone?
On my android, I just long press on the image, and it appears at the top of the popup menu
Same on iOS
It says:
😂
As a tall person I feel cooler now
Birds are considered to be dinosaurs. Birds exist now. We are finding dinosaur fossils now.
That’s what the XKCD that was posted says. Mostly.
OK, now I’m imagining dinosaur archaeologists (monocles and brushes, not bullwhips and quips).
I suddenly feel very small, but also the load off my shoulders lifted.
There are still a few of them in government.
“Hey, isn’t that Dave’s skull?”
“Can’t be, I just saw him this morning. Sure looks like him though. Weird.”