I’m guessing those infected or mutated in ways harmful aren’t allowed?
ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 Mar 01:33
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I mean, in my opinion skinny pigs have been mutated in a harmful way, just not as a result of whatever tests they were subjected to. But if you have a pet scrotum, you can knit it little sweaters so it isn’t constantly shivering
Usually, if the mouse is infected or mutated in a given manner, its innards would need to be removed and studied, to determine what effects the mutation/infection had on them. This kills the mouse.
It’s still a suffering animal, so we should get the most data we can out of every specimen. That should minimize the total amount of mice being used.
Also only studying some mice can lead to biased results.
Iirc in the pace trial participants who dropped out because the intervention worsened their condition where not included in the end result. With rats the researchers could just chose the healthiest ones and just claim they selected randomly.
Rant:
The pace trial was a horrible study on a chronic disease that was conducted by the british health system with the goal of denying care.
The trial also had other systematic flaws like having a laxer definition of healthy at the end of the trial that at the beginning, meaning people who where sick enough to participate would be declared cured at the end even if nothing changed.
This study is still used to denie people’s lived experience and just call them lazy.
I don’t have a personal connection to any of this, but learning about it made me angry enough, that I must share this knowledge.
I do wish humans could find a humane way to do research in general. Thank you for sharing this. It’s a good reminder that life suffers and dies so we can live and I feel it would become us to remember that, for everything we consume.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz
on 14 Mar 08:30
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Not in the EU I’m pretty sure
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Mar 08:43
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Im in the EU, and quite a few of the biology students had labrats as pets.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz
on 15 Mar 02:27
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Oh shit forreal? I used to work in the NL and there it wasn’t allowed. You couldn’t even had rodents as pets because the possible dangers of contamination. I thought it was an EU thing actually, but maybe it’s just NL.
Edit: not necessarily and EU thing but animal/test dependent actually.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Mar 04:36
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It probably depends on what they were used for. I’m dutch too, but I did chemistry and civil engineering so I never used animals myself.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz
on 15 Mar 17:22
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Oh, yeah I was looking it up, and I think it might be just the general CCD protocols in our institution which al involve neuroscience, and those specifically are not up for adoption ,(couldnt find if this actually was from an EU thing, but prolly depends on the type of animal and intervention).
And actually makes total sense. Some the relatively chil work in Wageningen with pets als falls under animal testing but it would feel wrong in those, mild cases.
My sister did, you just need approval from some government offices so you don’t get mice that’ve had rabies-ebola-smallpox-anthrax tested on them getting out
“This is I, when the attractive biochemistry student tickles me in the stomach. Unbeknownst to me, I will be later killed by her as part of her research.”
I thought the 10/10 was how good of a student she is.
LonstedBrowryBased@lemm.ee
on 14 Mar 11:37
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HOT GRAD STUDENT DOING MOUSE RESEARCH TICKLES MOUSE TO MAKE IT HAPPY THEN CUTS ITS HEAD OFF OR KILLS IT IN A GAS CHAMBER AFTER USING THE MOUSE TO COLLECT DATA FOR HER RESEARCH CAUSE THATZ WHAT WE DO
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or, adopt them as pets as a graduation present
Is that permitted?
Yes, if there is no need to collect tissues or anything
I’m guessing those infected or mutated in ways harmful aren’t allowed?
I mean, in my opinion skinny pigs have been mutated in a harmful way, just not as a result of whatever tests they were subjected to. But if you have a pet scrotum, you can knit it little sweaters so it isn’t constantly shivering
😂 Forgot to add “for humans.”
Usually, if the mouse is infected or mutated in a given manner, its innards would need to be removed and studied, to determine what effects the mutation/infection had on them. This kills the mouse.
Couldn’t they just put them back?
Nah it’s like how if you touch A baby bird it’s mom won’t take it back, the body rejects the insidey bits when it has human funk on them.
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For some reason, I was under the impression not all infected mice were actually studied. Thanks so much for your kind reply.
It’s still a suffering animal, so we should get the most data we can out of every specimen. That should minimize the total amount of mice being used.
Also only studying some mice can lead to biased results. Iirc in the pace trial participants who dropped out because the intervention worsened their condition where not included in the end result. With rats the researchers could just chose the healthiest ones and just claim they selected randomly.
Rant:
The pace trial was a horrible study on a chronic disease that was conducted by the british health system with the goal of denying care.
The trial also had other systematic flaws like having a laxer definition of healthy at the end of the trial that at the beginning, meaning people who where sick enough to participate would be declared cured at the end even if nothing changed.
This study is still used to denie people’s lived experience and just call them lazy.
I don’t have a personal connection to any of this, but learning about it made me angry enough, that I must share this knowledge.
I do wish humans could find a humane way to do research in general. Thank you for sharing this. It’s a good reminder that life suffers and dies so we can live and I feel it would become us to remember that, for everything we consume.
Not in the EU I’m pretty sure
Im in the EU, and quite a few of the biology students had labrats as pets.
Oh shit forreal? I used to work in the NL and there it wasn’t allowed. You couldn’t even had rodents as pets because the possible dangers of contamination. I thought it was an EU thing actually, but maybe it’s just NL.
Edit: not necessarily and EU thing but animal/test dependent actually.
It probably depends on what they were used for. I’m dutch too, but I did chemistry and civil engineering so I never used animals myself.
Oh, yeah I was looking it up, and I think it might be just the general CCD protocols in our institution which al involve neuroscience, and those specifically are not up for adoption ,(couldnt find if this actually was from an EU thing, but prolly depends on the type of animal and intervention).
And actually makes total sense. Some the relatively chil work in Wageningen with pets als falls under animal testing but it would feel wrong in those, mild cases.
My sister did, you just need approval from some government offices so you don’t get mice that’ve had rabies-ebola-smallpox-anthrax tested on them getting out
Kill-joy bureaucrats…
Depending on the study, yes.
Unrealistic, labs use skinny pigs for more efficient sampling
I clicked because the picture was cute. Could the text be any more difficult to parse?
“This is I, when the attractive biochemistry student tickles me in the stomach. Unbeknownst to me, I will be later killed by her as part of her research.”
Tks 4 expl8/10ning it (to me)
I thought the 10/10 was how good of a student she is.
HOT GRAD STUDENT DOING MOUSE RESEARCH TICKLES MOUSE TO MAKE IT HAPPY THEN CUTS ITS HEAD OFF OR KILLS IT IN A GAS CHAMBER AFTER USING THE MOUSE TO COLLECT DATA FOR HER RESEARCH CAUSE THATZ WHAT WE DO
Worth
Difficult to admit yeah, but the lab mouse had an incredible CV in medicine