TheRealKuni@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 11:52
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From Dungeon Crawler Carl:
I grumbled a bit about that three in intelligence. Yeah, I never did too great in math, but I never considered myself a slobbering idiot, either. I could fix most anything electrical after studying it for a bit. My friend Billy Maloney, now that guy was an idiot. Just last week weâd come out of a bar, and heâd peed right on a copâs bicycle while the cop was giving someone else a ticket for drunk and disorderly. That guy deserved an intelligence of three, maybe two.
. . .
After I complained about my intelligence score to Mordecai, using the Billy example, he said, âIntelligence told you that bike belonged to a police officer. Wisdom told you not to urinate upon it.
gofsckyourself@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 17:02
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Yeah, it seems youâve heard a version adapted to explain the different D&D stats.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 06:52
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Okay, but the ruling is totally sensible inasmuch as it applies to âpurposes of tariffs, imports and customsâ. Tomatoes by and large arenât being imported for their botanical value; theyâre being used for food. This ruling exists so corporations canât âum ackshuallyâ their way out of paying their fair share.
But thatâs too sensible; in reality, this unanimous ruling that I never bothered to spend five seconds researching independently (I am very intellectually superior) was just âle Americans uneducated ecksdeeâ.
(And before you point it out: yes, an âum ackshuallyâ definition of vegetables includes fruits, although this is using a culinary one. So indeed, the original post canât even pedant right.)
Edit: to totally gild the lily, imagine your country adds a tax to crab meat because overfishing for a luxury good is destroying the Earthâs oceans. Someone sells Alaskan king crab, and they go to the courts demanding their taxes back because âum, ackshually, crabs are infraorder Brachyura, but king crabs are nested cladistically inside the hermit crab superfamilyâ. You would hope the court would tell them to get lost, because for the environmental impact and culinary uses that the bill is targeting, itâs a crab.
Or maybe dodging the no meat Friday of the Catholic Church. ?
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 07:50
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Fruit the botanical term and fruit the culinary term are just not the same word. Similarly to how theory means something different in science and in colloquial speech. Thatâs just how language works.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 08:26
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More people ought to learn about the programming language concept of namespaces. Generalize from that and you realize that every domain of discourse has its own namespace of words that have different meanings from those same words outside the domain.
My favourite is math which has loads of wonderfully generic-sounding terms such as rational, irrational, radical, real, imaginary, complex, group, ring, field, category, set, operator, element, and unit which all have radically different meanings from the everyday senses of those words.
jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk
on 11 Jul 09:55
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Yes, but then where would we be without all those endless squabbles about X which are easily solved by pointing out that A::X != B::X?
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 10:16
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Weâd all be sitting on the back porch, enjoying an ice cold ginger beer at the end of long summer day!
SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org
on 11 Jul 13:10
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I always thought it was more like overloading, but namespaces are also a good analogy.
Being smug over the meanings of words that arenât ever actually used in a consistent way is even more American.
Um actually, Strawberries are not a berry, itâs a Gameboy, not a Nintendo, and I lick toads. Can you go to the bathroom?
The only thing similar that I have experienced in Europe is the protected food name law, e.g. Champagne and Parmesan, but thatâs an EU cultural protectionism law that the US doesnât actually follow.
flora_explora@beehaw.org
on 11 Jul 09:07
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No worries, âbeing smug over the meanings of words that arenât ever actually used in a consistent wayâ is done over here in Europe as well. People have the exact same conversations you list as examples. I would even go so far and say that this is true for the whole world and throughout time, a human condition. I would also think that it really isnât about the words/language, but rather about having control over the conversation and power over others.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 10:21
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No! How dare! My unique lived experience is unique to only me and my arbitrary group! You canât be the same!
What next? You gonna tell me the âwait 5 minutesâ joke about weather basically applies everywhere?
The wait 5 minutes joke never seems to hold up in my region. Usually if it changes in the middle of the day, itâs not changing back. Usually it changes at night though.
pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jul 19:45
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If I had a nickel for every lemmy post and comment being hostile over another countries language/use of language, Iâd be a rich fucker indeed
krawutzikaputzi@slrpnk.net
on 11 Jul 20:20
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I still get angry about teachers replying with " I donât know if you can go to the toilet"
Fucking power play for sure. I was already shy about asking to use the toilet.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 09:31
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I donât see much difference between the Parmesan case and Apple sueing against a vaguely similiar looking logo.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 11:54
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How so? You can have a cheese thatâs a molecular perfect replica of a Parmesan and have no legal issues. You only have problems is you call it Parmesan without following the requirements.
To be honest, it seems like the complete opposite issue.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 12:11
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i thought the problem would be if they called it parmigiano reggiano, but calling it parmesan was okay
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jul 14:49
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That just defines fruit. Vegetable has no formal definition, and in practice is defined basically as âparts of plants we eat that arenât considered fruits or nuts.â
Also the X-men arenât human. Kinda makes the court system feel like the baddies tho
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jul 10:02
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I wonder if in other romance languages is the same, in Spanish and Catalan the two definitions are distinguished by being masculine or feminine. Fruto/fruit being masculine is the botanical fruit and fruta/fruita is the culinary fruit.
Almost, but not quite. Fruto and fruta are not two genders of the same word, but two different words, with different sources words (fruto fructus and fruta fructa)
Meanings are very similar, so thereâs a lot of mixup.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jul 13:19
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Youâre completely right, they are two different words. For me that distinction was so clear that I never considered that what I wrote could be interpreted as two genders of the same word, that would make no sense.
This is because âvegetableâ is purely a culinary term. Thereâs no botanical definition of a vegetable. Tomatoes are berries, which is a type of fruit, from a botanical standpoint. So are cucumbers. Theyâre both vegetables from a culinary standpoint. Lettuce is a leaf. Broccoli is a flower. Carrots are roots. Celery is a stalk. All vegetables culinarily.
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jul 15:19
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Oh right, they call it eggplant. Right?
WILSOOON@programming.dev
on 11 Jul 10:17
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Fun fact, the vatican classifies capybaras as fish
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jul 11:04
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For lent-related purposes, I presume? Same as beavers.
starlinguk@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 11:25
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Squirrels too.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 12:09
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TIL the vatican approves of squirrel stew on fridays.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 13:29
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Either weâre all fish, whales and dolphins are fish, or nothing is fish. All three positions are perfectly justifiable depending on your critieria, so take your pick.
TomMasz@piefed.social
on 11 Jul 11:51
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There are two big grocery chains where I live. One puts the olives in the canned vegetable aisle, the other puts them in the canned fruit aisle. I keep forgetting which does which and end up in the wrong aisle every time.
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jul 13:36
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Treat yourself next time you find them to a jar of kalamatas.
Botanically, fruits don't have to be sweet. It's anything that's a seed carrier of some kind. Vegetables are other plant parts that don't contain seeds, more or less. It. Culinary usage takes a different approach, hence the different aisles.
Not sure about beans, I don't usually buy canned beans.
woodenghost@hexbear.net
on 11 Jul 12:27
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Yes, fruit is a botanical category, but vegetable is not.
homura1650@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 12:42
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Iâm going to take this as an opportunity to point out that bees are a type of fish in California.
California enforces many wildlife regulations. CESA, or the California Endangered Species Act, is designed to keep animal and plant life from extinction. The law covers any threatened âbird, mammal, fish, amphibian, reptile, or plant.â
Insects werenât mentioned in the specific actâs wording. However, a separate California regulation legally defines fish as âa wild fish, mollusk, crustacean, invertebrate, amphibian, or part, spawn, or ovum of any of those animals.â
So, are bees actually fish? Yes, because all invertebrates are according to California law. The broad definition of fish allows activists to fight for insect survival.
The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has clarified that âIt was not believed necessary to include the term invertebrate in the original legislation because âfishâ is defined in the Fish and Game Code to include âinvertebratesââŚâ
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jul 20:11
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I appreciate the message, but I find this presentation style to be unbearable, like a shitty clickbait version of a TED talk: fast cuts with exaggerated audience reactions, playing hide the ball with the actual information being presented. And then they took what I imagine is a normal studio production designed for normal TV screens and cropped it into vertical video, published on Youtube as a short. Gross.
Tbf itâs a comedy show, it being informative is mostly an accident. This one is rare for being factual and not about why we should nuke the moon or which cartoon characters are invited to the cookout or something like that.
infuziSporg@hexbear.net
on 11 Jul 14:56
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Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Distinction is inventing a fruit salad that a variety of tomato can fit into.
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 15:06
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Botanically, thereâs no such thing as a vegetable.
Thatâs a culinary term, which seems to cover some fruits, some plant roots, some plant stems, some plant leaves, and some plant flowers.While culinary fruits are the other botanical fruits, and a few flowers (figs are weird)
bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jul 15:35
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Now I get why some (a ?) states declared pizza a veggie or something like that? Like if vegetable is a culinary term it makes sense you could classify pizza as a vegetable. But like, why the fuck is law declaring what anything is culinary?
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jul 15:46
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Speculating here, but taxes are one reason.
Almost all the rules about what counts as wine, beer, whiskey, etc. comes from some country making definitions for tax purposes. Often from hundreds of years ago.
bathing_in_bismuth@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jul 15:54
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Iâve also heard of cannabinoid soft drinks available in states that have (compared to states that legalized it) pretty strict cannabis laws in place. All because of some loopholes (Iâve read about the farmer bills and all but my terminology is rusty). Thatâs so strange.
And suddenly its all OK. At least legally. I think its sad. At the moment, eating healthy is becoming harder and harder for the first time in my life. I get why so many Americans eat the way they do, financially. And ethics and morals donât mean anything if its choosing between eating or not. Just so sad.
These laws donât seem to help the average struggling American at all. With an president promoting his love for cheeseburgers lol.
I guess I feel blessed to eat fresh non processed food 6 times a week.
The loopholes on the farm bill are so big that I donât know why weâre debating legalization at this point.
To meet the 2018 farm bill requirements, your thing needs to have <0.3% delta-9 THC by weight. This opened up the delta-8 marketâless potent but you can just add more of itâbut that was only the start of exploring the new legal territory this opened up.
10mg of THC delta-9 is considered a good sized dose in edible products. A standard can of soda is about 225 grams. So do the math: 0.01g / 225g = 0.004%. Close to two orders of magnitude under the farm bill limit, and a lot of THC seltzers come in bigger cans than that. You can sell that in every state that hasnât specifically banned it otherwise.
It gets even better. To get 10mg of THC delta-9, a gummy only needs to be about 3g to make the 0.3% limit. Not that big at all.
That mostly leaves smoking/vaping as the only methods that donât have an easy loophole.
Just legalize it already. This is stupid.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 16:34
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Because those culinary definitions are used for other laws, e.g. laws about what food schools can give to children.
The legal decision is important for a slew of reasons including taxation, SNAP benefits, etc. The decision was less about science and more about the reality of how tomatoes are used in our society.
bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de
on 12 Jul 13:33
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Consider that in German (and probably a ton of other languages too), there are just two different words for the botanical and the culinary definition of fruit, so you can have namespacing built in to the language
The Supreme Court was fully aware of the technical term:
Botanically speaking, tomatoes are the fruit of a vine, just as are cucumbers, squashes, beans, and peas. But in the common language of the people, whether sellers or consumers of provisions, all these are vegetables which are grown in kitchen gardens, and which, whether eaten cooked or raw, are, like potatoes, carrots, parsnips, turnips, beets, cauliflower, cabbage, celery, and lettuce, usually served at dinner in, with, or after the soup, fish, or meats which constitute the principal part of the repast, and not, like fruits generally, as dessert.
The attempt to class tomatoes as fruit is not unlike a recent attempt to class beans as seeds, of which Mr. Justice Bradley, speaking for this Court, said:
âWe do not see why they should be classified as seeds any more than walnuts should be so classified. Both are seeds, in the language of botany or natural history, but not in commerce nor in common parlance. On the other hand, in speaking generally of provisions, beans may well be included under the term âvegetables.â As an article of food on our tables, whether baked or boiled, or forming the basis of soup, they are used as a vegetable, as well when ripe as when green. This is the principal use to which they are put. Beyond the common knowledge which we have on this subject, very little evidence is necessary or can be produced.â
Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893)
So this is how the Supreme Court could do this: they were fully aware but reasonably decided tariff laws should be based on ordinary meaning.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space
on 11 Jul 23:22
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Thatâs a wrap.
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jul 18:34
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This is dumb, botanically tomatoes are a fruit doesnât preclude them being vegetables because vegetable isnât a botanical term at all. Tomatoes are fairly sweet but they have more culinarily in common with vegetables. Nutritionally Iâm not positive but itâs a separate issue.
Regardless the supreme court decision was regarding tariffs/imports/customs which makes sense to classify it simply by the way in which people consume it. People eat tomatoes as a vegetable, just like we eat zucchini and cucumber as vegetables despite them all also being fruit.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip
on 11 Jul 18:43
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Obviously fruit/vegetable should be broken down into whether or not you can just make a sauce with it.
Tomatoes: easily broken0 down into a sauce
Apples: guess what? saucable
Zucchini: not easily sauced.
Cucumber: donât even think about it!
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jul 19:22
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Hilarious but weâre gonna end up with a few weird things like jackfruit and bananas becoming vegetables. Iâd also add that apples are only sauceable through maceration which really puts them into the same camp as squash like zucchini, and any root really like carrots or celeriac.
Now I really want to try making a zucchini-cucumbersauce
Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world
on 11 Jul 21:53
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Pretty sure itâs so giving ketchup to school kids constitutes a serving of vegetables.
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 12 Jul 01:01
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No that was 90 years later as school budgets were cut further and further until they were using things like pickle relish as a required vegetable. Our public school system is an embarrassment.
Not unique because EU also classifies tomatoes as vegetables.
Is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
The classification of fruit and vegetables can be based
on various approaches â botanical, agronomical,
culinary â thus resulting in different definitions. For
example, the tomato is botanically a fruit, but it is
commonly considered a vegetable from both the
agronomical and the culinary points of view.
The facts and figures presented in this briefing follow
Eurostatâs definitions based on the farm management
and agronomical practices, according to which the
term âfresh vegetableâ refers to annual (or, rarely,
biennial) horticultural crops, and the term âfruitâ refers
to perennial crops.
Following this approach, tomatoes are included in the
main statistical aggregate of vegetables, as well as
melons, water melons and strawberries, which are
commonly considered and consumed as fruit.
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Botanically, sure, but from a culinary perspective theyâre used like a vegetable.
Thatâs just science as applied by engineers.
I donât think vegetable is a botanical term. So fruit and vegetable arenât really mutually exclusive.
Yeah I mean, mushrooms get lumped into the vegetable category most of the time and theyâre a fungus!
and we usually eat the fruiting body!
If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bicycle. But she would also be my grandmother.
But what if she had four wheels?
A roller skate obviously.
I suspect that your qualifications for what constitutes a bicycle are a tad shortâŚ
As they say, intelligence is knowing tomato is a fruit, wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
(Thatâs the saying, but IMO itâs wisdom to know and intelligence to not do it, maybe Iâm mixing things up).
@Ilovethebomb has the answer IMO: knowledge and wisdom.
Knowledge and wisdom is the one Iâve heard before.
Thatâs way better.
From Dungeon Crawler Carl:
Yeah, it seems youâve heard a version adapted to explain the different D&D stats.
Okay, but the ruling is totally sensible inasmuch as it applies to âpurposes of tariffs, imports and customsâ. Tomatoes by and large arenât being imported for their botanical value; theyâre being used for food. This ruling exists so corporations canât âum ackshuallyâ their way out of paying their fair share.
But thatâs too sensible; in reality, this unanimous ruling that I never bothered to spend five seconds researching independently (I am very intellectually superior) was just âle Americans uneducated ecksdeeâ.
(And before you point it out: yes, an âum ackshuallyâ definition of vegetables includes fruits, although this is using a culinary one. So indeed, the original post canât even pedant right.)
Edit: to totally gild the lily, imagine your country adds a tax to crab meat because overfishing for a luxury good is destroying the Earthâs oceans. Someone sells Alaskan king crab, and they go to the courts demanding their taxes back because âum, ackshually, crabs are infraorder Brachyura, but king crabs are nested cladistically inside the hermit crab superfamilyâ. You would hope the court would tell them to get lost, because for the environmental impact and culinary uses that the bill is targeting, itâs a crab.
âFruit de la mereâ is obviously just some attempted tax dodge.
Assuming you were aiming for the French phrase for âseafoodâ, I think you meant âfruit de mer.â
âFruit de la mèreâ would translate to, âfruit of the mother.â
Fruit de la merde
Or maybe dodging the no meat Friday of the Catholic Church. ?
Fruit the botanical term and fruit the culinary term are just not the same word. Similarly to how theory means something different in science and in colloquial speech. Thatâs just how language works.
More people ought to learn about the programming language concept of namespaces. Generalize from that and you realize that every domain of discourse has its own namespace of words that have different meanings from those same words outside the domain.
My favourite is math which has loads of wonderfully generic-sounding terms such as rational, irrational, radical, real, imaginary, complex, group, ring, field, category, set, operator, element, and unit which all have radically different meanings from the everyday senses of those words.
Yes, but then where would we be without all those endless squabbles about X which are easily solved by pointing out that A::X != B::X?
Weâd all be sitting on the back porch, enjoying an ice cold ginger beer at the end of long summer day!
I always thought it was more like overloading, but namespaces are also a good analogy.
I like this.
Kids are already taught to look for âcontext cluesâ
Namespacing would require the author explicitly define the namespace.
I would also add versioning as a year/month and localization.
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Being smug over the meanings of words that arenât ever actually used in a consistent way is even more American.
Um actually, Strawberries are not a berry, itâs a Gameboy, not a Nintendo, and I lick toads. Can you go to the bathroom?
The only thing similar that I have experienced in Europe is the protected food name law, e.g. Champagne and Parmesan, but thatâs an EU cultural protectionism law that the US doesnât actually follow.
âŚwikipedia.org/âŚ/Geographical_indications_and_traâŚ
No worries, âbeing smug over the meanings of words that arenât ever actually used in a consistent wayâ is done over here in Europe as well. People have the exact same conversations you list as examples. I would even go so far and say that this is true for the whole world and throughout time, a human condition. I would also think that it really isnât about the words/language, but rather about having control over the conversation and power over others.
No! How dare! My unique lived experience is unique to only me and my arbitrary group! You canât be the same!
What next? You gonna tell me the âwait 5 minutesâ joke about weather basically applies everywhere?
The wait 5 minutes joke never seems to hold up in my region. Usually if it changes in the middle of the day, itâs not changing back. Usually it changes at night though.
If I had a nickel for every lemmy post and comment being hostile over another countries language/use of language, Iâd be a rich fucker indeed
I donât see anyone being hostile, do you?
All the time lol
Not you, to be clear. Posts where people decide to pick fights over aluminum vs aluminium, that sorta thing.
OK, got it
I still get angry about teachers replying with " I donât know if you can go to the toilet" Fucking power play for sure. I was already shy about asking to use the toilet.
Yep, I really hate those moments, too. My father used to do this all the time just to get one up on me :/
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I donât see much difference between the Parmesan case and Apple sueing against a vaguely similiar looking logo.
How so? You can have a cheese thatâs a molecular perfect replica of a Parmesan and have no legal issues. You only have problems is you call it Parmesan without following the requirements.
To be honest, it seems like the complete opposite issue.
i thought the problem would be if they called it parmigiano reggiano, but calling it parmesan was okay
Both are branding issues?
No, they arenât.
Wasnât it the Beatles sueing Apple and not the other way around?
How them toads taste?
I donât understand. A game boy is a Nintendo.
Is there even a botanical definition of vegetables?
A pdf to clear it up, and confuse you more... maybe. https://wpcdn.web.wsu.edu/wp-extension/uploads/sites/2073/2020/04/Is-it-a-Fruit-or-a-Vegetable.pdf
That just defines fruit. Vegetable has no formal definition, and in practice is defined basically as âparts of plants we eat that arenât considered fruits or nuts.â
No. What is or isnât a vegetable is determined entirely by whether we collectively consider any given plant or plant part a food item.
en.wikipedia.org/âŚ/Toy_Biz,_Inc._v._United_States
Also the X-men arenât human. Kinda makes the court system feel like the baddies tho
I wonder if in other romance languages is the same, in Spanish and Catalan the two definitions are distinguished by being masculine or feminine. Fruto/fruit being masculine is the botanical fruit and fruta/fruita is the culinary fruit.
How is it in other romance languages?
Almost, but not quite. Fruto and fruta are not two genders of the same word, but two different words, with different sources words (fruto fructus and fruta fructa)
Meanings are very similar, so thereâs a lot of mixup.
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Youâre completely right, they are two different words. For me that distinction was so clear that I never considered that what I wrote could be interpreted as two genders of the same word, that would make no sense.
I didnât know the origins though, cool.
They are vegetables
They are both, itâs not contradictory
This is because âvegetableâ is purely a culinary term. Thereâs no botanical definition of a vegetable. Tomatoes are berries, which is a type of fruit, from a botanical standpoint. So are cucumbers. Theyâre both vegetables from a culinary standpoint. Lettuce is a leaf. Broccoli is a flower. Carrots are roots. Celery is a stalk. All vegetables culinarily.
Except funghi
What about a bell pepper and an aubergine?
Doesnât exist in the US
Oh right, they call it eggplant. Right?
Fun fact, the vatican classifies capybaras as fish
For lent-related purposes, I presume? Same as beavers.
Squirrels too.
TIL the vatican approves of squirrel stew on fridays.
Either weâre all fish, whales and dolphins are fish, or nothing is fish. All three positions are perfectly justifiable depending on your critieria, so take your pick.
Crazy
iflscience.com/for-hundreds-of-years-the-vatican-âŚ
There are two big grocery chains where I live. One puts the olives in the canned vegetable aisle, the other puts them in the canned fruit aisle. I keep forgetting which does which and end up in the wrong aisle every time.
Treat yourself next time you find them to a jar of kalamatas.
The fruit classification seems insane to me. Maybe Iâm unfamiliar with dishes that use it as a sweet?
Does that store have a separate aisle with canned beans, or is it just one big canned-things aisle?
Botanically, fruits don't have to be sweet. It's anything that's a seed carrier of some kind. Vegetables are other plant parts that don't contain seeds, more or less. It. Culinary usage takes a different approach, hence the different aisles.
Not sure about beans, I don't usually buy canned beans.
Yes, fruit is a botanical category, but vegetable is not.
Iâm going to take this as an opportunity to point out that bees are a type of fish in California.
You werenât kidding!
Talk about by-the-book!
sciencealert.com/actually-there-is-no-such-thing-âŚ
Good.
Vegetables do not exist. Well, they exist as a culinary thing. Thereâs just no scientific/botanical definition of what makes something a vegetable.
What about Stephen Hawking?
Stephen Hawking is a pile of ash, not a vegetable.
What about him?
I appreciate the message, but I find this presentation style to be unbearable, like a shitty clickbait version of a TED talk: fast cuts with exaggerated audience reactions, playing hide the ball with the actual information being presented. And then they took what I imagine is a normal studio production designed for normal TV screens and cropped it into vertical video, published on Youtube as a short. Gross.
Tbf itâs a comedy show, it being informative is mostly an accident. This one is rare for being factual and not about why we should nuke the moon or which cartoon characters are invited to the cookout or something like that.
Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Distinction is inventing a fruit salad that a variety of tomato can fit into.
Botanically, thereâs no such thing as a vegetable.
Thatâs a culinary term, which seems to cover some fruits, some plant roots, some plant stems, some plant leaves, and some plant flowers.While culinary fruits are the other botanical fruits, and a few flowers (figs are weird)
Now I get why some (a ?) states declared pizza a veggie or something like that? Like if vegetable is a culinary term it makes sense you could classify pizza as a vegetable. But like, why the fuck is law declaring what anything is culinary?
Speculating here, but taxes are one reason.
Almost all the rules about what counts as wine, beer, whiskey, etc. comes from some country making definitions for tax purposes. Often from hundreds of years ago.
Iâve also heard of cannabinoid soft drinks available in states that have (compared to states that legalized it) pretty strict cannabis laws in place. All because of some loopholes (Iâve read about the farmer bills and all but my terminology is rusty). Thatâs so strange.
And suddenly its all OK. At least legally. I think its sad. At the moment, eating healthy is becoming harder and harder for the first time in my life. I get why so many Americans eat the way they do, financially. And ethics and morals donât mean anything if its choosing between eating or not. Just so sad.
These laws donât seem to help the average struggling American at all. With an president promoting his love for cheeseburgers lol.
I guess I feel blessed to eat fresh non processed food 6 times a week.
The loopholes on the farm bill are so big that I donât know why weâre debating legalization at this point.
To meet the 2018 farm bill requirements, your thing needs to have <0.3% delta-9 THC by weight. This opened up the delta-8 marketâless potent but you can just add more of itâbut that was only the start of exploring the new legal territory this opened up.
10mg of THC delta-9 is considered a good sized dose in edible products. A standard can of soda is about 225 grams. So do the math: 0.01g / 225g = 0.004%. Close to two orders of magnitude under the farm bill limit, and a lot of THC seltzers come in bigger cans than that. You can sell that in every state that hasnât specifically banned it otherwise.
It gets even better. To get 10mg of THC delta-9, a gummy only needs to be about 3g to make the 0.3% limit. Not that big at all.
That mostly leaves smoking/vaping as the only methods that donât have an easy loophole.
Just legalize it already. This is stupid.
Because those culinary definitions are used for other laws, e.g. laws about what food schools can give to children.
To get around legal requirements to include vegetables in school lunches
The legal decision is important for a slew of reasons including taxation, SNAP benefits, etc. The decision was less about science and more about the reality of how tomatoes are used in our society.
⌠Cool? I was more pointing out the issues with the assumptions the meme was making
So was I.
Consider that in German (and probably a ton of other languages too), there are just two different words for the botanical and the culinary definition of fruit, so you can have namespacing built in to the language
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Americans donât eat vegetables
I remember watching a YT video once about a legislative move of a US county to declare the number Pi to be exactly 3.
*State. It was Indiana.
* 3.2.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFNjA9LOPsg â How Pi was nearly changed to 3.2 - Numberphile
All fruits are vegetables, but not all vegetables are fruit.
Vegetable = any edible plant part.
Fruit = Ovary of a flowering plant that carries the seeds.
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The Supreme Court was fully aware of the technical term:
Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1893)
So this is how the Supreme Court could do this: they were fully aware but reasonably decided tariff laws should be based on ordinary meaning.
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So tomatoes are trans?
Pizza is a salad according to your legal system
Thatâs a wrap.
This is dumb, botanically tomatoes are a fruit doesnât preclude them being vegetables because vegetable isnât a botanical term at all. Tomatoes are fairly sweet but they have more culinarily in common with vegetables. Nutritionally Iâm not positive but itâs a separate issue.
Regardless the supreme court decision was regarding tariffs/imports/customs which makes sense to classify it simply by the way in which people consume it. People eat tomatoes as a vegetable, just like we eat zucchini and cucumber as vegetables despite them all also being fruit.
Obviously fruit/vegetable should be broken down into whether or not you can just make a sauce with it.
Tomatoes: easily broken0 down into a sauce Apples: guess what? saucable
Zucchini: not easily sauced. Cucumber: donât even think about it!
Hilarious but weâre gonna end up with a few weird things like jackfruit and bananas becoming vegetables. Iâd also add that apples are only sauceable through maceration which really puts them into the same camp as squash like zucchini, and any root really like carrots or celeriac.
Now I really want to try making a zucchini-cucumbersauce
Pretty sure itâs so giving ketchup to school kids constitutes a serving of vegetables.
No that was 90 years later as school budgets were cut further and further until they were using things like pickle relish as a required vegetable. Our public school system is an embarrassment.
<img alt="Strange times for Berry Club" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/edac522c-0645-4764-a0b6-30cd198d1750.webp">
From Mr. Lovenstein whose website unfortunately doesnât seem to work, except to redirect you to Meta-owned socials. Ugh.
Arenât strawberries nuts?
Yeah man, theyâre completely nuts!
Vibe judging.
Ketchup lobby in full swing
youtu.be/kpLd-Vi8qZA?t=18
And we laughed when some pope declared the capybara is a fish
When⌠what? đ
Capybara are fish, so are bees, because fish donât actually exist.
The levels of validity may vary, but everything I said there is true in one form or another.
That only creates more questions đ
wow whoever made this post is SO smart
Not unique because EU also classifies tomatoes as vegetables.
europarl.europa.eu/âŚ/EPRS_BRI(2019)635563_EN.pdf
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