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from fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com to science_memes@mander.xyz on 27 Mar 22:33
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40913191

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flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works on 27 Mar 23:34 next collapse

Holy crap that burn looks bad - i hope its mostly edited.

Anyway, can someone explain this for a normie?

neatobuilds@lemmy.today on 27 Mar 23:43 next collapse

Something about boats and hos

flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works on 28 Mar 01:02 collapse

I like to hoboat my motors, for sure

ch00f@lemmy.world on 27 Mar 23:58 next collapse

I think it’s saying that estrogen has more double carbon bonds, so it’s more stable as a molecule

InvertedParallax@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 00:31 next collapse

It has basically an entire benzene ring, one of the most stable structures in chemistry.

That’s an overstatement, but it is extremely stable compared to most things in solution.

RubberElectrons@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 00:42 next collapse

Not much of an overstatement tbh.

InvertedParallax@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 03:47 collapse

It’s stable in terms of solute chemistry, compared to other crystalline stuff it can be much weaker.

RubberElectrons@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 18:47 collapse

Oh sure, we’re talking solids at that point haha.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 28 Mar 01:45 collapse

It has basically an entire benzene ring,

It's been a while since I took organic chemistry, but isn't that literally just a benzene ring?

InvertedParallax@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 03:46 collapse

Meh, it’s a benzene ring but with the hydroxyl and other groups on, it is a diminished benzene ring, the inter-ring bonds aren’t quite as stable as a pure aromatic ring.

Has to do with the electron bonds having slightly longer lengths than in their 1.5 configuration. The difference is prety minor.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io on 28 Mar 01:48 next collapse

Not quite. The other person is right about the benzene ring, but also testosterone has a non-aromatic double bond, making it less stable because in organic compounds double bonds are more reactive than single bonds.

flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works on 28 Mar 19:12 collapse

Cheers

ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Mar 05:08 next collapse

Oh man, the lower half of this image was everywhere ten odd years ago. Or maybe longer. Shit.

It’s just “Oooooh, burn!” in a sarcastically distant tone. Almost like it’s a daily occurrence.

I never quite liked it even if it looks very fake. The particular stab at humor it went for didn’t really do it for me.

Contramuffin@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 17:14 collapse

In organic chemistry, there’s a concept called delocalized pi orbitals. The exact reason why it works is complicated and outside the scope of organic chemistry, so I’m not sure if I can really explain it anyways. But the takeaway is that when you see a double bond, single bond, double bond pattern, that generally indicates that the bonds are actually being shared across the entire motif. ie, it’s not really a double bond, it’s more like… a 1.5-bond.

Having the bonds be shared across multiple atoms gives that region of the molecule special properties, the primary of which is that it tends to be really stable. The reason for that is that any disruption toward that region (eg, adding an electron) gets distributed across the motif, so that each atom is only minorly disturbed.

And the bigger the motif is, the more stable the region is because it’s able to distribute disturbances better.

Benzene (the hexagon motif circled) is made exclusively of this double bond, single bond, double bond motif. And as a result, it’s well known for being extremely difficult to modify or destroy. You really have to jump through hoops to do any sort of organic chemistry with benzenes. The motif circled in testosterone still has delocalized pi orbitals, but it’s not as extensive as a benzene, and so it’s less stable

flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works on 28 Mar 19:11 collapse

Thanks! That’s concise and really interesting

yesman@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 00:13 next collapse

This is next level because only Charles Murray stans could be persuaded that molecular bonds imply emotional strength.

credo@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 00:35 next collapse

Who you callin a HO?

kerrigan778@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 02:17 next collapse

The superiority of benzene rings cannot be denied

atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works on 28 Mar 03:35 next collapse

Cold water is the opposite of what you want to put on a burn. Blisters are a reaction to the rapid change in temperature not the heat.

entwine413@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 04:08 collapse

I mean, you definitely don’t want to put hot water on a burn.

atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works on 28 Mar 04:12 collapse

Depending on the severity and type of the burn, and the amount of time that has passed (ideally none), actually yes you would.

LostXOR@fedia.io on 28 Mar 04:27 next collapse

Sounds very counterintuitive, you got a source for that?

atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works on 28 Mar 04:36 collapse

Most reputable sources will specifically say “not cold”. Both first aid trainings I have taken have outlined specific cases where starting with warm and then moving slowly to cool water will help prevent blisters.

YMMV.

LostXOR@fedia.io on 28 Mar 04:44 next collapse

Ah okay, yeah using warm water (near human body temperature) makes sense to me. The person you replied to said hot water so I assumed you were talking about that.

_stranger_@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 14:17 next collapse

They specify cool as the appropriate temperature. They don’t want people putting ice water on burns. The water is mostly to clean the wound and for pain management, as cooling the burns eases the pain temporarily.

I’ve never heard of treating a burn with warm water, that would be painful.

entwine413@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 14:18 collapse

Hot water and warm water are different things

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 19:42 collapse

but OCD and OCD are the same lol

Ziglin@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 21:50 collapse

I’m guessing that hot in this case means slightly warmer than body temperature, not boiling right?

Goretantath@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 05:26 next collapse

People thinking gender is what to measure stability with instead of hair colour /s

AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net on 28 Mar 12:19 next collapse

Benzene is OP and I love that for it

RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee on 28 Mar 19:23 next collapse

Women really are more aromatic…

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 28 Mar 19:40 next collapse

I would have included the double-bonded oxygen in the circle, but yeah.

bleistift2@sopuli.xyz on 28 Mar 20:02 collapse

I never knew that estrogen and testosterone are so similar. I also didn’t know that there is not one estrogen molecule, but that estrogens are a molecule class.

Thanks, OP!