The Crazy Pills
from fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz on 11 Oct 16:53
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TheFogan@programming.dev on 11 Oct 17:15 next collapse

I mean if someone is doing that it actually would be the rare example where I could say someone is trump deranged. All medication prescription and non prescription is about weighing the potential risks vs benefits. Taking normal dosage of Tylenol is mostly harmless, and the reason a blanket statement of “it’s no harm, just don’t take tylenol” is a horrific mischaracterization even IF the studies cited showed a clear and blatent causal relationship between Tylenol and potential issues, because it’s simply weighing risk of treatement vs nontreatment. IE fever and pain are also things likely to negatively impact a pregnancy as well as the health of a mother.

Taking any medicine while pregnant, when you do not currently have any condition it is treating is just stupid risk, and if you are taking more than the recomended dosage just to flex on an idiot, you are becoming an idiot yourself.

Carrolade@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:28 next collapse

if someone is doing that

Key words. I think we can look at

Someone showed me a TikTok video of a…

and assume with a fair degree of confidence that something a little fishy is going on here.

FoxyFerengi@startrek.website on 11 Oct 17:43 collapse

The quote also says it was a professor at Columbia, which is one of the universities the administration has been bullying lol

nublug@piefed.blahaj.zone on 11 Oct 17:36 next collapse

“if someone is doing that” but they aren’t bud. not a single person ever. why are you bending over backwards to make a nazi big fat lie seem reasonable?

if someone were jamming a big red hot metal rod covered in ants and jelly into their eyes over and over screaming they hate trump so much it made them do this, that would be bad, but the thing is: fucking no one is doing anything like that so what the fuck am i talking about?

TheFogan@programming.dev on 11 Oct 21:55 collapse

Yeah that is why I made sure the qualifiers were there, obviously I don’t spend time on tiktok, and it looks like most people finding what’s most likely the discussed video was just taking 2 pills, and hell for all we can know from that maybe she actually did have a headache or something wrong.

I’m fully aware the current administration is nothing but liars misrepresenting everything they have ever come accross.

roguetrick@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:37 next collapse

Let’s be clear here: this didn’t happen. If you actually gobbled handfuls of acetaminophen after a few days you’d experience excruciating stomach pain, turn yellow, and finally die of DIC with blood coming out of your orifices.

waddle_dee@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:52 next collapse

Per Gizmodo, not the best source, but whatever, the Tiktok in question was from a Russian propaganda account. The woman in the video took two, read that, two Tylenol. The account claims she’s an associate professor at Columbia, but this is not verified as of yet. This is clearly just a brain rotted, worm ridden, old man’s paranoia.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:28 collapse

and pregnant woman cant take nsaids, that isnt tylenol since it messes with the placenta.

Yoddel_Hickory@lemmy.ca on 11 Oct 17:23 next collapse

Show how much he knows, if he thinks her baby is in her placenta.

themeatbridge@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:50 next collapse

This is the guy in charge of medical advice for the United States. Lacking even basic scientific knowledge.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Oct 18:03 collapse

What do you expect from retired environmental lawyer / heroin addict?

Trump taking covid shot, shows that RFK is there for a spectacle, a distraction and no one in the administration takes his recommendations seriously.

Taalnazi@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 22:36 next collapse

I mean, Trump doesn’t want competent people, he wants loyalists and yes-worms.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:27 collapse

trump took the flu and covid shot, trump is a known germaphobe. and rfk jr likely also had the shot, but he cant say he did it, becaue it breaks the illusion of him being an anti-vaxxer.

DarkCloud@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:56 collapse

“The baby will eat its way out after the larval stage.”

is exactly how a brain worm would see it.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 11 Oct 17:50 next collapse

Gobbling Tylenol

Uh huh.

Gobbling means at least a good handful, right?

Acetaminophen has a rather steep curve where it gets toxic. A standard tablet is 500mg. I sometimes take a double at 1000mg, yet the daily recommended max dose is 4000, only four times that, after which toxic effects start coming. That’s 8 tablets

This woman, if she exists at all, was likely “gobbling” a single tablet, which is pretty much harmless

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 17:57 next collapse

Or, you know, the whole thing is made up. Because they’re liars.

TheRedSpade@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 18:39 next collapse

if she exists at all

Think they covered that

Railcar8095@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 08:29 collapse

No no, it’s real. They even saw the baby in the placenta!

resting_parrot@sh.itjust.works on 11 Oct 19:46 next collapse

A standard tablet is 325mg. 500mg is the extra strength one.

Gerudo@lemmy.zip on 11 Oct 20:34 next collapse

My money is on she really did pour Tylenol in her mouth but then stopped the video, and you know…spit them out.

huppakee@piefed.social on 11 Oct 22:08 next collapse

My money is on that there was no woman, no baby, no placenta, no Tylenol. Just gobbling.

Midnitte@beehaw.org on 11 Oct 23:57 collapse

Yea just RFK Jr. gobbling Trumps dick

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:27 collapse

she turned it into a slurry,.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 21:05 next collapse

500 is the extra strength. 325 is regular strength

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:26 next collapse

theres a stronger one 625mg, its also otc.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 16:07 collapse

700+ for the pm ones because they are expecting you to sleep for 8 hours ish

InFerNo@lemmy.ml on 12 Oct 07:06 next collapse

I wonder if the composition of Tylenol is different than Dafalgan, which is the equivalent “known” brand here. 500mg is normal, 1g is strong. There’s a kids version though, would have to check what the box says.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 16:08 next collapse

If it’s acetaminophen then it’s Tylenol equivalent

(acetaminophen is paracetamol)

Jarix@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 16:16 collapse

Children’s versions are often liquid form iirc.

Dosage levels probably vary widely between different places. Composition will change but the important part is the active/medical ingredients, the other stuff is just usually to prevent tampering or to make easier to take. Coated/non coated. Crush resistance or interference, possibly agents to reduce ingestion discomfort etc. how many mg of the active ingredient (acetaminophen is paracetamol) is usually the difference. Cutting pills in half is often just as good as taking a lower dose pill. Just depends on who needs it.

Think the general guideline is not to exceed 4000mg per 24h period ages 12+ though always read the medications guide lines

Railcar8095@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 08:31 collapse

In my country over 300 you need prescription, you could get 1000 without questions.

I used to take 1000 before, now I take 3*300

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 11 Oct 22:13 collapse

A recommended dose is 1000mg, at least on every paracetamol pack I’ve ever seen.

Normally that’s 2 x 500mg pills so you can give kids a half dose of one pill.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Oct 18:13 next collapse

Such a bullshit. No one (pregnant or not and especially an associate professor) would “gobble” bottle of Tylenol even before their claim. Overdosing on it is not pretty.

Also whenever there’s talk about Tylenol it reminds me of this:

youtube.com/shorts/IAra05kOzRk

ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Oct 18:58 next collapse

I could see myself filling a bottle of tylenol with tic tacs and trying to sleight of hand them into my mouth in a fistfull in such a way it looked like I ate a bunch, tbf. Y’know for the lolz.

SARGE@startrek.website on 11 Oct 19:05 collapse

Vanilla pudding in mayo jars.

Blue sport drink in index bottles.

this one is kinda gross

Chocolate cake in a diaper.

ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Oct 20:43 collapse

Classics!

rirus@feddit.org on 11 Oct 20:52 next collapse

I would really think that after all these memes and making fun of Tylenol and pregnancy someone would do a TikTok of it, just because its trendy to oppose everything from them. There are too many idiots (okay the largest portion of them is on the MAGA side), but still…

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:26 collapse

alot of them are anti-vaxxers, or believe in pseudoscience like this.ant- Flouride crowd is a big thing right now.

Cethin@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 07:31 collapse

To be fair, there is evidence of harm by fluoride. It’s not as significant as they make it out to be though, and it potentially helps a lot of people. That said, I do somewhat agree with the stance. The US is (currently) a developed nation that has plenty of access to toothpaste with fluoride. Fluoride deficiency is not really a concern here. With that, and the harm it causes, I’m slightly in favor of its removal from water. However, it needs to be done in a way to prevent fear mongering and taking things beyond this.

TheLastHero@hexbear.net on 12 Oct 00:45 next collapse

“gobbling” = taking like 2 pills, but you’re being “woke” about it and pissing off these morons

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:25 collapse

gobbling like the whole bottle of acetaminophen.

princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Oct 07:06 collapse

If the video exists, I’m sure she made it when she already needed Tylenol (hello, eight months pregnant is hell on your body), and took the recommended dosage.

takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Oct 18:50 collapse

Yeah, it was oddly specific. An associate professor at Columbia Medical School, yet looks like no one has seen the video.

Zier@fedia.io on 11 Oct 18:27 next collapse

Are you all aware that a burnt french fry, who has gone rogue, was hired to run the HHS?

CrispyFern@hexbear.net on 12 Oct 01:52 collapse

<img alt="trump-who-must-go" src="https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/365ef17c-f7f4-428b-930a-972dc6de7fd8.png"> I wasn’t aware, you’re telling me now for the first time.

hansolo@lemmy.today on 11 Oct 18:32 next collapse

I genuinely wonder, do they just make up this obviously false BS to tell him to protect themselves? Or are they all on the same page with the BS to gaslight MAGA people?

In 30 years this will be a very well-studied period of human history and behavior.

Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net on 11 Oct 18:42 next collapse

In 30 years this will be a very well-studied period of human history and behavior.

Yeah like I’d take the opinion of idiots 30 years from now criticizing us when they’ll be believing empathy gives you cancer, or that retirement leads to violence; thirty years ago people were saying about us today that we’d be studying their failings and meanwhile we’re fighting off antivaxxers and people saying <insert ordinary medicine> gives you autism while we study those failings; thirty years from now those losers will be engaged in their own laughable failings, so they can get off their high horse cause they have their own laughable kooks.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 22:37 next collapse

are they all on the same page with the BS to gaslight MAGA people?

Yup. Of course they know their voter base is stupid and uneducated and that Trump is dangerous. They don’t give a single fuck. “Fuck you I got mine.”

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:33 collapse

both.

being crazy is not a political affiliation. there are crazy people on both sides doing crazy shit to ‘own’ the other side.

in 2009 I knew a radfem in grad school who would go around screaming at everyone to stop raping people. she was a very damaged person who projecting her abusive past onto everyone around her. and going to grad school writing papers about using artificial wombs to end women’s oppression by men. she also was married to a guy who was a drug user and physically abusive to her…

she went on to work in a hospital admin board…

Carl@hexbear.net on 11 Oct 19:06 next collapse

If this video exists, it is AI generated. It’s probably extremely obvious too, like it has a watermark that clearly states that it’s AI, but boomers like RFJ Jr are just that bad at distinguishing fiction from reality on the internet.

Chakravanti@monero.town on 12 Oct 05:22 collapse

He paid a guy to make that video. He knew what he was doing. He has jackass philosophy justifying it as well. They think they’re doing something good, I guarente it. They think they’re the good guy.

Kind of like how SMBC explained how Hitler got to heaven. They’re so stupid, it helps suckers stop taking lollipops from the checkout at groceries. For their kids, totally.

Almacca@aussie.zone on 11 Oct 19:17 next collapse

Oh, well if it was on Tiktok it must be true. :|

Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 11 Oct 19:19 next collapse

I would be 0% surprised if it was an obvious AI video.

GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca on 12 Oct 15:59 collapse

I would be equally unsurprised if RFK Jr. also said it, though.

Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Oct 17:08 collapse

I meant the TikTok video that someone showed to RFK.

GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca on 12 Oct 17:14 collapse

Ah, okay. I saw some earlier speculation that RFK Jr. didn’t actually say this and thought yours was in the same vein. Crazy videos of people saying things we wouldn’t believe 10 years ago seems to be the norm these days…

whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Oct 19:40 next collapse

Uneducated weirdo pretending to know science and medicine to bully people they don’t like and grift everyone else calls other people strange, and he’s in charge of the HHS

<img alt="comic book panel with a woman looking out the window saying what a stupid time to be alive" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/0afb984d-16bd-47c6-9eca-5a85948d3bda.webp">

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:36 collapse

I have been paying attention for decades now and I’m not really surprised.

I went to an ivy league school… and lots and lots of my cohort were delusional morons who believed their own farts had magical powers. and the admin and professors were happy to tell the they totally were. and I would say their farts stunk and they would just become angry and harass the shit out of me.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 11 Oct 22:40 next collapse

He’s even incompetent at lying.

dudleyflippendoodle@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 00:16 next collapse

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD6olRJ8S3I

webp@mander.xyz on 12 Oct 00:47 next collapse

With her baby in her placenta

BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net on 12 Oct 02:16 next collapse

Before the Trump Derangement System part, it reads like a dril tweet.

Squirliss@piefed.social on 12 Oct 04:27 next collapse

“With her baby in her placenta” lmao what

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 12 Oct 06:24 next collapse

and delivered by Large storks.

MML@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 06:35 collapse

How could she!

WalnutLum@lemmy.ml on 12 Oct 06:22 next collapse

Real life Ralph Wiggum “and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me” comment

regedit@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 11:13 next collapse

Huge baby, strong baby; tears streaming from it’s tiny baby eyes. And it looked at me and it said, “sir, please make her stop pounding Tylenol.”

magic_internet_wizard@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 16:06 collapse

ralph wiggum IRL

FreddiesLantern@leminal.space on 12 Oct 07:04 next collapse

And the baby then sang “Baby, baby, baby, noooooo”.

mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Oct 08:41 next collapse

Well can’t take ibuprofen at 8 months so what other common painkiller is there??

baby in her placenta

🤣😭

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 14:24 collapse

The pain is the point

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz on 12 Oct 08:51 next collapse

If her baby is in the placenta you have some bigger problems than just needing paracetamol

aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Oct 13:41 next collapse

Yeah, but don’t even dare get an abortion or it’ll be death penalty for you

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 14:23 collapse

Oh come on bro you know what he means, stop splitting fingernails.

YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca on 12 Oct 15:20 next collapse

RFKrackhead explains the body of a women to other women 😂😂

Test_Tickles@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 15:52 next collapse

I completely agree if we’re talking about some bros at a kegger, but if it might instead possibly be the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services reporting to the President of the United States and the rest of his Cabinet during a Cabinet meeting, then no. In that case the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services should be able to communicate health related matters better than a drunken frat bro.

skisnow@lemmy.ca on 13 Oct 03:35 collapse

that was a good joke, but I don’t think 16 out of 20 people got it (at the time of me writing this).

Unless you meant it of course, in which case joke’s on me.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 13 Oct 06:51 collapse

I was joking but refuse to edit the original post for principles or something.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Oct 12:46 next collapse

Is this a real quote?

stringere@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 13:23 collapse

Yes. During a cabinet meeting.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Oct 13:28 collapse

Cool. Cool cool cool

melsaskca@lemmy.ca on 12 Oct 12:50 next collapse

They are currently working on a vaccine for TDS. /s

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 13:20 next collapse

I was skeptical that something as utterly deranged could be uttered in a room full of adults without hilarious laughter breaking out so I felt the need to dig a bit and corroborate, and found a bsky post from the same guy of the same content, with video.

jesus fucking christ 🫠

ValarieLenin@midwest.social on 12 Oct 15:26 collapse

America is so cooked…

Fizz@lemmy.nz on 12 Oct 21:59 collapse

The worst part is many parts of the world can’t even laugh anymore because the same playbook is running through their countries. I’m tired and we are so cooked.

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:49 collapse

people would rather die in a flood of their own bullshit live in an inconvenient reality.

beejboytyson@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 13:38 next collapse

This is what you get when you fill the swamp. Crackhead kennedy in charge.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 14:20 collapse

This is the swamp everyone was talking about, Trump was just lying 100%.

ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 15:44 next collapse

Man, the real nazis of old (the third reich) must be so jealous they never figured to invent a fake mental illness to prosecute nondesireables with.

Kolanaki@pawb.social on 12 Oct 15:57 collapse

Pretty sure they did that to queer people.

magic_internet_wizard@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 16:05 collapse

except so did America and the rest of the West.

Dasus@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 16:43 next collapse

Two wrongs don’t make a right, just more wrong.

reuters.com/…/finland-allow-gender-reassignment-w…

In 2017 EU court was like “Finland that’s not legal, and is breaking human rights.”

2023 they finally fix it.

COPENHAGEN, March 3 (Reuters) - Finland will allow transgender people to change their legal gender at their own request and without undergoing sterilisation, new legislation signed by the Finnish President confirmed on Friday. The European Court of Human Rights ruled in 2017 , opens new tab that requiring sterilisation in order for individuals to change the sex on their birth certificate is a violation of human rights.

magic_internet_wizard@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 18:30 collapse

never said it was right. america still does this though. being transgender is considered a mental illness when it’s just a different brain development. it has nothing to do with reality. tribal peoples had lgbt people of all kinds pre colonization and it was considered normal. They were given the ultimate form of acceptance- roles in their society. They were basically expected to adopt orphans of the tribe while in a gay marriage

Dasus@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 18:47 collapse

What do you mean America still does that?

I know Trumpism is real threat to trans people ans trans healthcare and rights have taken massive hits, but you’re not actually forced to undergo sterilisation as a trans person, are you?

I’m sure you’ve heard of this man even if you don’t remember it by name en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Beatie he became pregnant in 2007.

Wouldn’t have happened here, because of the forced sterilisation.

skisnow@lemmy.ca on 13 Oct 03:28 collapse

After the liberation of the concentration camps in 1945, all the people who had been put there for being gay, just got moved to other camps and prisons, since homosexuality was also illegal under the liberators’ laws as well.

starlinguk@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:18 collapse

And those who had been convinced before being sent to a concentration camp were sent back to prison to finish their sentences.

GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works on 12 Oct 16:21 next collapse

“Chugging ivermectin to own the libs” unfortunately knows no political party.

TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Oct 22:04 collapse

I’m pretty sure there’s a ”chugging ivermectin party”…

MetalMachine@feddit.nl on 12 Oct 16:25 next collapse

Waiting for this guy to actually do something about all the chemicals in food he talked about.

AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 17:28 collapse

The donors told him to calm down with all that shit or else

IzzyJ@lemmy.world on 12 Oct 17:05 next collapse

Man is triggered by a meme, and wants to make meming about a leader s mental condition

Fizz@lemmy.nz on 12 Oct 21:56 next collapse

I bet this is either a sora video or a right winger pretending to be left wing

OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip on 12 Oct 22:17 next collapse

When they say “Trump derangement syndrome” it always makes me think of the deranged shit that Trump does. Like trying to start wars with Iran and Venezuela and then practically demanding the Nobel peace prize.

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:27 collapse

It’s a legit thing though. I live in Boston. There are people here you meet occasionally who literally… talk about nothing about how awful Trump is and are totally obsessed with him to the point of alienating everyone around them. Who agonize over every tweet he makes everyday as if it is the end of the world.

It’s sort of like how Howard Stern used to get better ratings from people who hated him more than those that loved him. Some folks entire identity is now hating Trump. And half of what they hate is just bullshit, lies and imagination running wild and has little to do with reality.

Too many folks are totally detached from reality really. Living in social media bubbles convincing themselves of their persecution from imaginary enemies. A constant stream of nonsense that is breaking their brains and they bring it IRL and refuse to social with you if you don’t reinforce their preexisting beliefs.

There is a growing contingent of folks who think the world should conform to the reality in their head. Not that they should confirm to the reality outside of it. It’s scary AF. And these folks often think violence is totally justified to make other people conform to the nonsense in their heads.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:58 collapse

Our species broadly is far more concerned with narratives and stories than reality. This is how our brains work on a very fundamental level.

People think their brains are tools for determining reason and logic, and I suppose with exercise and effort they can be, but it’s not what we’re designed for.

We have brains designed to tell stories to explain how you feel, or to feel things about stories supplied to you. That’s it. It doesn’t need to make sense or have logical consistency, the brain doesn’t give a shit about consistency or reason, it just wants to tie loose ends together to create a coherent narrative that you can use to survive.

See huge paw prints by your watering hole? Feel worried? Your brains writes the most likely story for how those prints got there and why you’re scared. In that situation the story-telling can save your life. In our modern, complex world we have the exact same brains structurally, but the clues and emotional signals are vastly more complicated and others supply us stories for why we feel those feelings, and brains soak that shit up like sponges. We take the narratives supplied to us and twist them and turn them and find ways to fit them into our own lives because this is how our minds work. The whole time thinking you’re figuring something out or doing something good for yourself or your future. Like you’re part of the story.

We have no future until we start accepting the weaknesses and flaws in our own minds and can set up policy-level safeguards against ourselves, but I don’t see that happening since the people who should be managing these safeguards are as fallible as any of us.

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 13:12 next collapse

Our species broadly is far more concerned with narratives and stories than reality. This is how our brains work on a very fundamental level.

Yep. Thanks for mentioning this. It’s really the root of it. The existing social structure is reinforcing/escalating our worst psychological biases. The opposite of what many of us think it should be doing. At least for me… going to school was all about deprogramming all the emotional bias bullshit that my parents and home-town idiots I grew up with believed. The internet also helped a lot with that. It was about getting outside of the bubble.

But it seem around 10 years ago this all shifted. and now education and internet is all about reinforcing those biases. I meet so many ‘well-educated’ people that have such provincial/delusional beliefs about the world now… it’s terrifying. And this is folks on my ‘own side’ of leftism/liberalism… I can only imagine it’s equal/worse among the right. A huge uptick in delusional and magical thinking, and people using their education to justify their crazy thoughts… instead of using their education to dismantle/prevent their crazy thoughts.

I’m not so sure good policy is the way to do it… but I do know from political experience that good policy is something EVERYONE hates. Precisely because it doesn’t benefit them exclusively.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 14:15 collapse

I’m not so sure good policy is the way to do it… but I do know from political experience that good policy is something EVERYONE hates. Precisely because it doesn’t benefit them exclusively.

Our problem we’re butting up against is this, that as individuals we are resistant to the bitter medicine we know will help us. So we have no choice but to elect leaders we know will trick the population in some way, but we never know what’s a trick and what’s a power grab for personal gain. (Present admin excluded, they’re a painfully transparent consequence of our society abandoning community and education.)

But we had a social democracy in the US that lasted more than 200 years. That’s not a bad run, it’s proof of concept. Maybe the USA will splinter and fracture, but from that will come new ideas, new areas of democratic progress and new alliances and power groups who now know that such a thing is possible.

I don’t think we’re going to have a unified world, at least not in our lives and certainly not with our existing social systems, but war and disease and atrocities broadly are on a decline across the globe. It may spike again in places and at times, but despite that we are living in an age of unprecedented peace and prosperity, that shows that something we’re doing is working, but we have to manage and maintain it by resisting apathy and nihilism. If we stop seeing the positives and stop caring, we backslide to raiders looting our houses and raping and pillaging our communities.

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 16:03 collapse

History shows us people only learn to do the right thing after things have gone horrible horrible wrong.

we had a worldwide depression and war that uttered in 80 years of peace. we will have another one before things can truly improve. the current generations are all far too removed from the consequences of their actions.

Triasha@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 13:12 collapse

The founders tried that and look where it got us.

I remind myself all the time that as mad as I may feel, as righteous and justified and endangered, that violence on the level that might change things will fuck up my life and the life of everyone I care about and a whole lot of people I don’t know but don’t deserve it. Are the Cubans better off after the cuban revolution? Maybe, hard to say. Were the Soviets better off after the Russian revolution? Again, hard to say. The French are better off today than they were before the French revolution, but they also got Napoleon right after that.

Things will get worse before they get better.

ameancow@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 14:06 collapse

look where it got us

I mean, you can easily point to the atrocities that the USA was built on and feel a deep sense of shame, and we collectively should, we should remember the horrors of the past. But having a social democracy exist and survive as long as it did was proof of concept of an experiment that was not supposed to work. It’s proof that we can do better if we unify just a little. Yes, it could have been better or lasted longer, but we don’t exactly have a lot of alternatives. We’re fucking animals. The fact that we can do any of this at all is amazing.

But we can easily play this “would we have been better off” game forever. Back until we first started killing each other for thousands of years which led to our brains developing into this absurd thing we have now. Would we have been better off if the USA was never founded? Would the Native Americans have been better off? Would the Europeans? (Read Pastwatch, good speculative ideas on all this.)

The reality is though that we’re here now and we’re better off as a society than we’ve ever been. Yes, there are bad things happening, but it’s in the decline. We just feel bad because we don’t live long enough to see that long arc of history and cannot see that tangible, powerful decline in war, disease, suffering, murder and rape and so many other every-day horrors we all had to live with for literally thousands and thousands of years. I can easily count the number of times my house has been raided, and that number is one time, and it wasn’t even an armed militia, it was just some random, confused person. That’s a MASSIVE improvement historically speaking.

What I think is fucking with a lot of our heads is that we imbibe in fictions without taking away the good lessons and grounded, material lessons. We read novels or watch Star Trek and believe that we’re entitled to the stars, that we have this glorious, unified future just around the corner, that all we have to do is make X policies and elect candidate Y and we will have world peace and food replicators.

Nah dog, we’re not going out there. We’re not going to get better than this. Maybe our non-human descendants in a very, very long time from now, but currently, creating a democracy that lasts more than 200 years might be the absolute best we can do.

Etterra@discuss.online on 12 Oct 23:23 next collapse

Good old Roadkill F Kennedy. What else did the worms show you bud?

Doomsider@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 03:12 next collapse

The level of brain damage is real. When he speaks the intelligence literally drops in the room.

MaliciousKebab@sh.itjust.works on 13 Oct 07:59 next collapse

What the hell is going on in US

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:25 next collapse

People are so wrapped up in their political ideas and identities they are literally cutting off their noses and doing other deranged things all to ‘own’ the other side.

And they use this to justify violence against others and themselves.

okamiueru@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:34 collapse

Lead poisoning has been my working theory to explain the last 50 years.

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 12:41 collapse

Nah, plenty of younger folks think this way.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 13 Oct 13:00 collapse

Who said the lead poisoning stopped?

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 13 Oct 13:07 collapse

it’s not lead poisoning. it’s people going insane because they live in internet/social media bubbles that lead to constant escalation reinforcement. you can see that nonsense here on lemmy in this very thread where people reinforce a false narrative and then escalate it with more rumor and nonsense or cherry-pick facts from history/reality to reinforce the delusional narrative that the other side is ‘evil’ and refuse to acknowledge your own side is also evil.

splashgarden@lemmy.zip on 13 Oct 14:12 collapse

GOBBLING tylenol. downed a whole bottle on camera.