theneverfox@pawb.social
on 13 Apr 12:36
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Also, what is the game plan here? To sell GMO exhibits to zoos? To try to do a Jurassic Park, but without dinosaurs?
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Apr 12:57
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They are making game of thrones real. Lots of whores and titties, big ass wolves, religious cults taking over government, zombies, crucifixions, people being eaten by dragons.
BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network
on 13 Apr 16:57
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Might need to make the location change to Pennsylvania Ave for a greater effect.
GreatTitEnthusiast@mander.xyz
on 13 Apr 16:44
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The point is to get people excited so they can get funding to keep developing the technologies that will make this kind of genetic engineering commercially viable
In an ideal world, it’d be to de-extinct fairly modern things that filled a niche that is no longer being filled. This is far from an ideal world though, and the reason in this world is to make press releases to get people talking about it so they can raise more money while not creating anything of actual value.
Probably start with one or a few cool scientists with that original purpose, then by the time it can take life it’s gone through the enshittification machine.
Okay let’s play that out… Everyone gets excited, they make big strong wolves and get funding… Now what?
They’ve got a pack of extra big wolves raised under human care. Do they kill them? Do they sell them? Do they open their own park? Do they just keep them for study? Do they just leave the gate open and let them go?
I don’t think you read my comment. They wouldn’t bring back dire wolves that don’t have a niche in the current ecosystem. They’d bring back things that have gone extinct in the last century or so, or maybe artificially modify existing creatures to fit niches that are no longer filled. This project isn’t doing what would happen in an ideal world. It’s only making garbage to sell to investors to make a bunch of money and bail.
I understand that, but the wolves are living things that require expert care. This isn’t some cat they can take home or some mouse they can quietly put down… They’re stuck with them
If they kill them, they’d get death threats (people are already attached). If the wolves escape, they’d get protesters. People will likely come to try to see the wolves, the wolves will try to escape and become extra aggressive if they’re understimulated
Good PR stunts don’t require you to run a zoo for the next 14 years - and whether they allow guests or not, they’ll need a team of people, including round the clock security, to take care of them
So unless they can sell them to someone, every success they have pushes them further into becoming Jurassic Park, but with less cool animals
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 13 Apr 20:40
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I just watched some youtube video and they were talking about how the CIA and big moneys people are heavily invested in this company. Makes me think they’re in it to make genetically modified animals or even people for “national security” or something.
Yeah everyone is asking what they are going to do with these animals they create and the answer is nothing once they get good enough at it to do it to humans lmao
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz
on 13 Apr 12:57
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Same question: If a species evolves to adapt to a changed environment, is the original species extinct?
Yes, yes it is. That’s why a species ‘going extinct’ doesn’t always mean that it suddenly died off.
FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 17:27
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Nah that’s a great way to start a conversation
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org
on 13 Apr 20:23
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They did have the genome, right? Why not just clone that? They could then add mutations in the amount that normally occurs in grey wolf populations to get a sufficiently diverse population going.
“It’s okay, they can’t breed in captivity. They’re all female.”
Frog DNA: “Not so fast…”
TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee
on 13 Apr 21:44
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Would they be able to do it with god-like perfection, or would it only be a grey wolf that resembles our idea of dire wolves based only on what we’ve been able to learn?
And they don’t have 100% of the dire wolf DNA sequenced, nor do they have DNA of the dire wolf’s extinct ancestor between it and Canis lupus. It’s a grey wolf with genes from a dire wolf added in.
Haha … but seriously … does it? I don’t think so. Now if they brought back that rhino species that just went extinct that would count.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 Apr 23:53
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most genetic differences happen on the biochemical level, i.e. different hormones and metabolism. superficial appearance is only a (very) small part of what defines a species. so i guess the answer is: not really, no.
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Love this one
Also, what is the game plan here? To sell GMO exhibits to zoos? To try to do a Jurassic Park, but without dinosaurs?
They are making game of thrones real. Lots of whores and titties, big ass wolves, religious cults taking over government, zombies, crucifixions, people being eaten by dragons.
No incest? :(
Be the change you wanna see in the world.
Releasing wolves in Yellowstone stabilised the ecosystem there. Releasing direwolves on Wall St might stabilise the economy.
The wolves of wall street?
I’d watch that
Might need to make the location change to Pennsylvania Ave for a greater effect.
The point is to get people excited so they can get funding to keep developing the technologies that will make this kind of genetic engineering commercially viable
Sure… But now they’ve got these wolves for the next 14 years
They can’t “reextinct” dire wolves or release them, so they’re now in the zoo business one way or the other
In an ideal world, it’d be to de-extinct fairly modern things that filled a niche that is no longer being filled. This is far from an ideal world though, and the reason in this world is to make press releases to get people talking about it so they can raise more money while not creating anything of actual value.
Probably start with one or a few cool scientists with that original purpose, then by the time it can take life it’s gone through the enshittification machine.
Okay let’s play that out… Everyone gets excited, they make big strong wolves and get funding… Now what?
They’ve got a pack of extra big wolves raised under human care. Do they kill them? Do they sell them? Do they open their own park? Do they just keep them for study? Do they just leave the gate open and let them go?
I don’t think you read my comment. They wouldn’t bring back dire wolves that don’t have a niche in the current ecosystem. They’d bring back things that have gone extinct in the last century or so, or maybe artificially modify existing creatures to fit niches that are no longer filled. This project isn’t doing what would happen in an ideal world. It’s only making garbage to sell to investors to make a bunch of money and bail.
I understand that, but the wolves are living things that require expert care. This isn’t some cat they can take home or some mouse they can quietly put down… They’re stuck with them
If they kill them, they’d get death threats (people are already attached). If the wolves escape, they’d get protesters. People will likely come to try to see the wolves, the wolves will try to escape and become extra aggressive if they’re understimulated
Good PR stunts don’t require you to run a zoo for the next 14 years - and whether they allow guests or not, they’ll need a team of people, including round the clock security, to take care of them
So unless they can sell them to someone, every success they have pushes them further into becoming Jurassic Park, but with less cool animals
I just watched some youtube video and they were talking about how the CIA and big moneys people are heavily invested in this company. Makes me think they’re in it to make genetically modified animals or even people for “national security” or something.
National security? Nah, those ghouls want to live forever.
To say they did?
And now they have a pack of XL sized wolves… That’s not like making a glow in the dark cat, that’s either the main plan or a very big problem
Gattaca
This is exactly it. This is just training for children customisation.
Yeah everyone is asking what they are going to do with these animals they create and the answer is nothing once they get good enough at it to do it to humans lmao
Same question: If a species evolves to adapt to a changed environment, is the original species extinct?
Yes, yes it is. That’s why a species ‘going extinct’ doesn’t always mean that it suddenly died off.
I think the term for that is chronospecies?
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Nah that’s a great way to start a conversation
They did have the genome, right? Why not just clone that? They could then add mutations in the amount that normally occurs in grey wolf populations to get a sufficiently diverse population going.
Fill in the gaps with frog DNA
“It’s okay, they can’t breed in captivity. They’re all female.”
Frog DNA: “Not so fast…”
Would they be able to do it with god-like perfection, or would it only be a grey wolf that resembles our idea of dire wolves based only on what we’ve been able to learn?
I wouldn’t call it de-extinction unless they made something that is 100% identical genetically to the thing they are bringing back.
de-extinction ≈ decompilation, apparently
Does that make extinction a form of obfuscation?
extinction is when the great library burns down.
or like, actually looks like what we think they looked, rather than what was depicted in a fictional story
And they don’t have 100% of the dire wolf DNA sequenced, nor do they have DNA of the dire wolf’s extinct ancestor between it and Canis lupus. It’s a grey wolf with genes from a dire wolf added in.
Haha … but seriously … does it? I don’t think so. Now if they brought back that rhino species that just went extinct that would count.
most genetic differences happen on the biochemical level, i.e. different hormones and metabolism. superficial appearance is only a (very) small part of what defines a species. so i guess the answer is: not really, no.